Don't Take Delivery on a Pizza You Didn't Order

PS Sue that is one of my fav commercials ! It makes me laugh everytime I see it. I just see those big sewer roaches we get in the summer !

Oh my Len:
Where do we even BEGIN to talk to you. I know ! Talk to the HAND ! Man, did you even READ the bill ??? Maybe you should have someone translate it to you ! For your info, most of us on Sue's other blog have been researching this bill since we first heard of it. Big Brother is alive and well and living in the White House.

Obamaordie: Please make sure you spell my name correctly when you report me as Un-American. IT is TONIE ! Most people forget the e on the end.

JJOHIO : Thanks ! It is good to see that not all people who reply are negative. You have some good points. You should reply to other blogs on this subject.

"Did you know there are millions of us out here in the great USA who think for ourselves and are not guided by some editor's editorial comments?"

I hardly think that you could accuse me of slavishly following some editorial since I support a single payer system like Medicare for All, and I have not seen any paper that supports that especially not the NY Times or the Washington Post. You, on the other hand, sounds suspiciously like Rush Limbaugh and the Republican talking points.

"How do you use fact check on the future?"

If you get your facts from the past all wrong, how can you hope to understand today, let alone the future?

jjohio, Thank you for writing in. I couldn't agree with you more. It is very frightening and time to spread the word. Those elected officials can be voted out of office, quite easily. Thank you for your wise words. Sue

Hi Lensch, Thank you for reading half of the comments on my blog. I didn't expect you to like them however it was similar to my suggestion that you spend some time in an emergency room. I think you need a good dose of reality. Did you know there are millions of us out here in the great USA who think for ourselves and are not guided by some editor's editorial comments? Some of us, especially those of with years in the field of medicine see the front lines and know what's happening.
How do you use fact check on the future? And if your main source is the New York Times, well, that explains a lot about you. What ever happened to the days when we trusted our elected officials and didn't have to fact check them at every turn?
I read your many comments and still find you living in the land of stats. Don't you consider where those facts are generated?
I think our efforts to communicate are a sad waste of my time and yours. Sue

O.K. Sue, you win. I could only read 90 before it got too depressing. It's not that they all were against my ideas. Many supported single payer and there was even a Canadian (They are always on my side).

No, it was because so few people (even those on my side) had actually done any research to see if what they were saying was correct. I realize that everyone does not have the time I have to investigate the facts, but why send in a comment if you have no idea it is even true?

For example, healthcare in other countries. Nobody (yourself included) seemed to say anything other than the same tired old myths about wait times, rationing, and government interference. We had talk of the masses of Canadians (actually 0.6% of their population) who come here for treatment without a mention that half of them are sent (& paid for) by the Canadian Health care system because they have a rare disease which is seen more frequently here. Somebody even talked about the woman (Holmes) who claimed to have a life-threatening brain tumor that would have killed her if she had not come here for treatment, Actually what she had was neither life-threatening or a tumor.

Please, please people, before you write in, spend 10 min at FactCheck.org to see you if what you are spreading is a myth.

I am reporting you all as un-American to Flag@Whitehouse.gov

JJOhio - Have I given up my rights as a American when I am forced to pay taxes to support a fire department? After all, in colonial Phildelphia, people paid private fire departments to cover their house and we had a free open market.

Didn't work out so well.

Hi Sue - O.K. I will read them all except the real long ones although it doesn't seem fair that I have to read 180 uninformed comments, and you only have to read, what, about 10 of mine. How about this, go to any NY Times editorial or column on health care. Sort the comments on the number of times they were reccommended. Then you read the top 10 for 15 such articles. Remember that whenver the public has been asked if they prefer private insurance through employers or something like Medicare given to everyone, between 59% and 72% choose single payer.

I think these kinds of mandates are un-American, and un-Patriotic (and maybe even Fascist!).

One of the basic tenets of Capitalism is the ability of the consumer to 'vote' with his or her wallet (if you don't like a commodity, you don't buy it).

Mandating that everyone buy health insurance eliminates a persons ability to 'vote'in a free-market environment. This is BAD!

Insurance is a method of managing risk, and people should have the right to manage risk in whatever way they feel it is best for them, even if they are wrong in their conclusions (the individuals free choice is the mantra of Capitalism).
Instead of mandating coverage for all (which likely will lead to corruption due to a 'captive audience': i.e., the consumer has no recourse except to buy some form of insurance), legislation should be enacted that provides incentives to make insurance an attractive option for everyone: i.e. makes the reward worth the risk.

One of the issues that health insurance mandates don't address is the idea that many people live (in terms of health) much 'riskier' lives than other people do. However, people are all lumped together, regardless of real 'risk', thereby increasing the cost of health-care, and premiums for all. If (in principle) you want all people to carry insurance coverage, methods have to be implemented that won't penalize those who live less 'risky' lifestyles by those who do.

In spite of any legislated remedies and incentives, the option to buy or not to buy must still remain. If it doesn't, we move from a free-market (an individuals' free choice)to a fascist market (One dictated by an authoritarian elite).

So, the question remains, are we going to surrender our rights as Americans (the right to free choice in a capitalist society), or move toward a fascist society (surrendering our rights as individuals to an authoritarian nationalism in the guise of universal healthcare).

I say the risk is too great. Mandates must not be allowed!

Hey Len, Where you been? I know, you and I don't agree on much. I'll make a deal with you. I'll read all your comments on this week's question if you'll read the 180 comments on my blog that keep coming in from your fellow citizens. It's the blog I wrote on health care reform dated July 21. What do you think? Have we got a deal? Sue

Hi Sue,

I disagree with so much in your posting, that I cannot begin to write a reply. Please read the replies I have made to the other posters.

len