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Yash Gupta
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Yash Gupta is Professor and Dean of The Johns Hopkins Carey Business School.

Shortsighted leadership

When Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed a new immigration law making illegal residence a state offense in addition to a federal offense, she cited a lack of federal leadership on the issue. If you perceive upper-level leaders to be ineffective, when is it right to take bold action?

In most situations, there's nothing wrong with someone in a junior position trying to assert a leadership role. Everyone is capable of leading; this could mean an individual worker setting an example through hard work or a manager declaring he wants to make his department the most productive one in the company. In their own ways, these are bold actions. Boldness doesn't necessarily have to be about confrontation. Often that leads to ill will and ends up being counterproductive. And certainly boldness carries little value when it's tied to an action as wrong-headed as this Arizona immigration law.

I don't see Gov. Jan Brewer's action as a matter of boldness. It's simply a wrong action. She argues that the federal government has been ineffective in dealing with people crossing our national borders illegally, but her response in the form of this bill creates more problems than it attempts to solve.

For one, there's the very worrisome fact that this new law will likely subject people to racial profiling. That goes against one of the core principles of this nation, which is respect for civil rights. Under this law, police officers will be able to stop someone on a "reasonable suspicion" that the person might be an illegal immigrant. But how do you make such a determination without sliding down the slippery slope to racial profiling, thereby exposing the state to legal action? Moreover, the law appears unconstitutional because it preempts federal authority over immigration matters and border protection.

Clearly - transparently - this is a law born more from political expediency than good sense. We all understand this is a particularly sore topic in the Southwest. Still, you'd think Arizona leaders would have learned from the state's misguided boycott of the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday 20 years ago. People began to boycott Arizona products, and the NFL moved the Super Bowl from Tempe to Pasadena, Calif. The result was millions of lost dollars in revenue for Arizona, not to mention the damage to its reputation.

The state immigration law looks like a repeat of that history. Both instances are textbook cases of shortsighted leadership that does a disservice to the people supposedly being led. Both seemed designed to help politicians curry favor with a certain sector of the public. But real leaders don't try to create opportunities to be self-serving. Being a leader is about serving other people.


By Yash Gupta

 |  April 30, 2010; 11:14 AM ET
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Civil rights? Who's talking about civil rights? We're talking about the people who are in this country illegally. They're not citizens and they have no civil rights in this country. THEY'RE CRIMINALS. The only people who think these people have civil rights are people who don't work for a living and expect us taxpayer to support them and then these criminals. There are some really STUPID people in this country.

Posted by: georges2 | May 2, 2010 10:48 PM
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Mexico is an Naco-terrorist State on our open borders and far more dangerous to the USA than Iraq & Afghanistan combined!

But our Corrupt/Pandering politicians of both parties refuse to abide by our Constitution against invasion, refuse to enforce our immigration Laws and refuse to honor their Oath of office, due to the Latino vote? maybe.

Criminals & Illegal Aliens march in our streets all across the land demanding their non-existing rights, demanding we cede this Nation to them, riot, wave their flags and spit on American, its Government, Laws, Constitution, and Citizens, still our Federal Government does nothing!

Our border states are overwhelmed, overmanned ,outgunned, & overran from the invasion by Illegal Aliens & Armed Banditos, killing Citizens and Law enforcement personnel and our Federal government does nothing.

Our neighborhoods are flooded with gangs, graffito & trash, Mexican flags fly in barrios coast to coast , Barrios where none may go but Mexicans, our ER rooms destroyed, Hospitals closed, Schools overwhelmed, States bankrupted, 100,s billions spent on Welfare for the invaders, Americans Citizens by the 10,of thousands are Robbed, Raped and Slaughtered each year by the invading horde & our Federal Government does nothing!

Why? The Drug Cartel has bought Mexico! Could it be they have bought American also?

The Presidents, past & present and most of the Politicians in Wash, DC plus Mayors in our sanctuary cities from coast to coast should to be arrested and tried for Treason!

Posted by: american1 | May 2, 2010 9:59 PM
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I really do not understand the racial profilling miasma- even the most progressive liberals acknowledge that there are at least some 10. 8 million illegal immigrants from Mexico in our country-most of them should look like Mexicans and speak spanish since that's what they are Mexican- what is inapropriate about targetting people who lok like Mexicans, talk like Mexicans and guess what probably are Mexicans and if they are here legally or yea veryly are naturalized citizens why would they object to being asked to acknowledge and prove that fact-instead we get this constant stream of anguished rhetoric about "profiling" which is usedas an excusew for not doing anything abouta real serious problem-

Posted by: 27anon72 | May 2, 2010 9:40 PM
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I like the way this article was written. It doesn't mean that because you have bias on some issues, you cannot have a balance. When I read the article, it was like if they read my mind. I could not put it words like them, but this is a real approach of the problem. I am against illegal immigration, but it is not fair that after all these people have worked shifts of 10 and 12 hours daily for years, now we want to send them back. When they were brought, ranchers, farmers, constructions companies, and services business, benefit from their work. I am hispanic, and back in the days, I remembered white farmers paying mexicans to bring illegal immimgrants to work. They did not want to file the right paper work because they had done before and no answer from the goverment. Harvest could not wait a year or two... the lettuce seasons dont wait and harvest had to be pick up in 1 or 2 or 3 months. A lot other workers came by themselves of course, but a lot of them were brought by American Citizens...now all those workers when the years pass by, they have kids, they miss their families and their jobs are here.... so now they bring their families any way possible...legally cannot be done...because there is no law or legal path that they can bring their kids legally... the amnesty of Ronald Reagan fails to see the fact of future need of workers and by creating paths to do it legally... In Arizona instead of putting our resources on cracking down people that all it does is working, should put that money on securing the border.. yes illegal immigration is out of control... so create a legal path to do it.. the real menace to arizona are drug smugglers go after them.. why after the hard working people, their families and students. Mexicans here and Mexicans back on our country love the US.

Posted by: upsetwithlawSB1070 | May 2, 2010 9:01 PM
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I am writing today because of the passed law against my community. I am against illegal smuggling of any kind. The border nees to be sealed.. yes I agree it is too dangerous.. but it is not fair that the authorities are cracking down on people that all is doing is working and contribuing..When most illegal immigrants were brought to work for whites.. now.. where are all those companies that have been profiting from them? Whites owners of companies were paying coyotes to bring people over to work.. what do you think? that the people concentrate only on working.. no they have families, they procrate... and their kids need to go school... it is not as easy as to implement this and thats set... it is much more complicated than that...we need to look where the problem comesfrom and take responsabilities...when the rancher was kille authorities said that the suspect was an illegal immigrant.. now the pinal deputy was shot... they are saying agian that it was an illegal immigrant... where is the evidence... how come they cannot bring proofs of those criminals.. or is that they are making this statements on assumptions? Now... why they do not use the few resources we have left on cracking smuglers? Because that is the real job and they cannot perform or what? o because it is easier to make propaganda on vulnerable illegal aliens?...

Posted by: upsetwithlawSB1070 | May 2, 2010 8:57 PM
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Uphold the law. Plain and simple.

Posted by: askgees | May 2, 2010 8:36 PM
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I'm fed up with what the concerns of the Mexican Government are. If they are so concerned, find your illegals here jobs in your own country. If someone wants to immigate legally, learn the language, custome of our country and assimiliate, bully for them. This is not Mexico Norte. Turn the 12-20 million illigas and their familys out, and then we can start from scratch.

Posted by: ssmorehouse | May 2, 2010 7:50 PM
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Today, Mexico's undeclared war on America moves with quickening speed & increasing Violence as they realize American is weak and without the will or desire of our Corrupt/Lawless Politicians to protect this Nation and its Citizens!

Mexico,s modern day General Calderon is not content with just retaking the Southwest. He invades all American states by the largest Invasion of any Nation, at any time in History, by any means, anywhere in the world!

This invasion is encouraged, abetted and organized by the Mexican state and supported by all citizens in Mexican society. Calderon provides his 'troops' with maps, water, provisions and aid to invade America's border & subvert its Laws & Constitution!

Our President & U.S. Congress aids, abets and encourages this invasion by failing to defend our borders, by providing 100.s of billions in benefits to the invaders & by Promising them Amnesty & American Citizenship as a reward for their Invasion & for committing numerous felonies against American Citizens!

Any other Nation in the world would consider an Invasion aided, abetted, organize and promoted by a foreign POWER to be an Act of War! But our Politicians are too Political correct, Weak, Corrupt and Spineless to protect American Citizens! Or Maybe????????????/

Most of the Politicians & Law Enforcement in Mexico are bought off by the Drug Cartel one must wonder, if some, if not most of the racial defenders of this Invasion in the Press & by our Politicians are not like their Mexican counter parts!

This refuse by our Politicians, Pass & Present, to abide by our Constitution against Invasion, enforce our Laws & Honor their Oath of Office by defending American Citizens & this Nation from Invasion is Treason. Pure & Simple!

Posted by: american1 | May 2, 2010 7:40 PM
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The untold Billions of Mexican Drug Cartel money has bought many, if not most of Mexican Politicians, Law enforcement & Press. It appears they have make serious in-roads in in our Politicians, Congress, WH, Press, Law enforcement & when the AZ law goes to the Supreme Court we will find out if the Drug Cartel has bought them as well!

Posted by: american1 | May 2, 2010 7:38 PM
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Obama & the Democrats have an plan to be the controlling Majority party and a lock on power & turn this Nation into a Third World welfare state, a socialist paradise.

Unlike Bush Jr. the Stupid, Who did he knew not what, Obama is a smart man with a diabolic plan, he has already said next on the agenda is Immigration reform, which are code words for Amnesty & citizenship for the 20 to 30 millions invading Criminals & Uneducated Prolific breeding Third World rejects as a reward for invading this Nation and committing numerous felonies alone with citizenship for all their Mother,s, Dad,s, Sisters and Brothers, Uncles etc. etc. in a never ending chain.

This will add millions of educating hating, American hating, gang joining Hispanics, breeding at a prodigious rate & producing more dependent Welfare Democrats & assuring enough Democrat Welfare voters to control this Country & to turn us into a Third World Nation!

If the Democrats are successful in granting Amnesty for the millions of illegal Aliens alone with chain immigration we will have lost this Nation.

Our future will be a one party Socialist Dictatorship & in a few years a Spanish speaking Third World cesspool of Corruption, Crime,Poverty & Misery modeled on Mexico & nothing short of a civil war will be able to break the yoke and servitude of citizens to Obama & the Democrats!


Posted by: american1 | May 2, 2010 7:32 PM
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Truman and Eisenhower had in common....

What did Washington and Jefferson have in common? (They were from different political parties) -- They both owned slaves.

The argument that Truman and Ike deported foreigners is just about as relevant as saying we should do the slavery thing again because tow of the greatest Americans of the Founding period owned slaves even though they were different parties.

As anhistorical footnote - Ike was such a middle of the road moderate that Truman tried to recruit him as a Democrat and wrote in his diaries that if they could get Ike on board for 48 he (Truman ) would step aside. Ike so angered what we today call tea baggers that they almost split from the party after his nomination in favor of running Taft.

Irrelevant to the current debate on illegals, but so is the other post about them.

Posted by: John1263 | May 2, 2010 6:46 PM
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My experience with Latinos is that they are a good, friendly people. Also, none of us would be here if the king and queen of Spain had not funded Columbus.

Nonetheless, Mexicans do not have the right to break US law, and if they do, then some action must be taken.

Hopefully the action is mild. Millions are already here albeit illegally, and we cannot suddenly swoop down on them and torment them.

But the fact remains that coming illegally to Arizona MUST be made less attractive than it is now. Arizona has passed a bill. If others disagree, they need to suggest a real solution and not merely bash Arizona.

With 12 million people illegally in the US, it is clear that the situation is out of control.

But Spanish speaking citizens, and liberals are two powerful political lobbies, which will not accept that there is a problem and that something must be done.

I can understand the Spanish speaking Americans - they are only looking out for people like themselves (although the latter are here illegally).

The liberal mentality is harder to understand. But the liberal mindset has always been, "Pass tough laws, and Don't enforce them". Because enforcing laws is "Not nice."

I am glad that the majority of the US understands what Arizona is trying to do. And a state which gave 46% of its votes to a black man in 2008 cannot fairly be accused of racism.

Posted by: rohitcuny | May 2, 2010 6:09 PM
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If Mr. Gupta is suggesting that we continue to ignore U.S. Laws, why not make it fair for U.S. Citizens by ignoring all laws by law enforcement groups and agencies. I'm pretty sure that I can make several BILLION dollars transporting and selling cocaine here in Texas and I'm a bit bothered that it's being done by folks that are sending the money back to their families and friends in Mexico while collecting benefits from my government (your taxes and mine). At least it used to be my government before Wall Street bought it.

Posted by: FireWashington | May 2, 2010 5:49 PM
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THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF ARIZONA'S LAW WILL BE UPHELD AS LONG AS THEIR LAW ONLY MIRRORS THE FEDERAL LAW. The Arizona officials have a right to pass a law that assists the federal government in enforcing federal laws when the federals are failing to do it themselves. The FBI doesn't mind local police and sheriffs chasing down U.S. Bank robbers do they?

Posted by: LETFREEDOMRING2 | May 2, 2010 5:44 PM
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ARIZONA HAS THE RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE-THE LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND STUPIDITY COMES FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, SUE THEM, BOYCOTT THEM BUT DON'T SEND BORDER PATROL AGENTS TO HELP THEM.
PHOENIX -- Authorities have captured 17 suspected illegal immigrants in southern Arizona as they continued their manhunt Saturday for smugglers who they say shot and wounded a sheriff's deputy in a remote desert area 50 miles south of Phoenix.

Three of those captured overnight Friday matched descriptions from the wounded Pinal County deputy and were being questioned Saturday, sheriff's Lt. Tamatha Villar said. The deputy was released from the hospital, and was recovering at home.

Posted by: LETFREEDOMRING2 | May 2, 2010 5:40 PM
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Three Presidents did it, yet we never hear about it.

I FOUND THIS TO BE VERY INTERESTING.

I WONDER WHY IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP.

What did Hoover, Truman and Eisenhower have in common?

Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around.

I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me.

Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the

deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American

citizens that desperately needed work.

Harry Truman deported over two million Illegals after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.

And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million

Mexican Nationals! The program was called "Operation W_tback". It was

done so WWII and Korean War Veterans would have a better chance at jobs.

It took 2 Years, but they deported them!

Now... if they could deport the illegals back then, they could sure do it today.

lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter "Operation

W_tback" into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself. You'll have to change the underscore to an "e" as I couldn't get this past the admin even though that WAS the name of a legitimate and legal government operation supported by the U.S. Congress.

Posted by: FireWashington | May 2, 2010 5:35 PM
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..1 users liked this commentThumbs UpThumbs Down0 users disliked this comment.Michael T 3 minutes agoThree Presidents did it, yet we never hear about it.

I FOUND THIS TO BE VERY INTERESTING.

I WONDER WHY IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP.

What did Hoover, Truman and Eisenhower have in common?

Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around.

I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me.

Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the

deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American

citizens that desperately needed work.

Harry Truman deported over two million Illegals after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.

And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million

Mexican Nationals! The program was called "Operation W_tback". It was

done so WWII and Korean War Veterans would have a better chance at jobs.

It took 2 Years, but they deported them!

Now... if they could deport the illegals back then, they could sure do it today.

lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter "Operation

W_tback" into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself. You'll have to change the underscore to an "e" as I couldn't get this past the admin even though that WAS the name of a legitimate and legal government operation supported by the U.S. Congress.Reply

Posted by: FireWashington | May 2, 2010 5:34 PM
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For those of you that argue this unconstitutional law is necessary because of violence, please educate yourself on the truth.

Violence is not up on Arizona border despite Mexican drug war

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border-violence-mexico.html##ixzz0moA2YDPM

Posted by: Jaimers | May 2, 2010 5:27 PM
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We already have IDs in the form of SS cards, passports and driver's licenses which we are required to show in various situations -- boarding airplanes, setting up credit card accounts, hiring, cashing checks. If this is the case, then all the legal, law-abiding Americans are being discriminated against because we have them and are required to show them when asked.

Posted by: sdl63 | May 2, 2010 4:59 PM
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Mexico is an Naco-terrorist State on our open borders and far more dangerous to the USA than Iraq & Afghanistan combined!

But our Corrupt/Pandering politicians of both parties refuse to abide by our Constitution against invasion, refuse to enforce our immigration Laws and refuse to honor their Oath of office, due to the Latino vote.

Criminal march in our streets demanding we give this Nation to them, riot, attack Citizens, wave their flags and spit on American, its Government, Laws, Constitution, Citizens and our Federal Government does nothing!

Our border states are overwhelmed, outgunned, & overmanned & overran from the invasion by Armed Banditios, killing Citizens and Law enforcement personnel and our Federal government does nothing.

Our neighborhoods are over ran with gangs, our ER rooms destroyed, Hospitals closed, schools overwhelmed, States bankrupted, 100,s billions spent on Welfare for the invaders , and Americans by the 10,s of thousands are Robbed, Raped and Slaughtered each year by the invading horde & our Federal Government does nothing!

The Presidents, past & present and most of the Politicians in Wash, DC should to be arrested and tried for Treason!

Posted by: american1 | May 2, 2010 4:51 PM
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Today, Mexico's undeclared war on America moves with quickening speed & increasing Violence as they realize American is weak and without the will or desire of our Corrupt/Lawless Politicians to protect this Nation and its Citizens!

Mexico,s modern day General Calderon is not content with just retaking the Southwest. He invades all American states by the largest Invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means, anywhere in the world!

This invasion is encouraged, abetted and organized by the Mexican state and supported by all citizens in Mexican society. Calderon provides his 'troops' with maps, water, provisions and aid to invade America's border & subvert its Laws!

Our President & U.S. Congress aids, abets and encourages this invasion by failing to defend our borders, by providing 100.s of billions in benefits to the invaders & by Promising them Amnesty & American Citizenship as a reward for their Invasion & for committing numerous felonies against American Citizens!

Any other Nation would consider an Invasion aided, abetted, organize and promoted by a foreign Nation to be an Act of War! But our Politicians are too Political correct, Weak, Corrupt and Spineless to protect American Citizens! Or Maybe????????????/

Most of the Politicians & Law Enforcement in Mexico are bought off by the Drug Cartel one must wonder if the racial defenders of this Invasion in the press & our Politicians are not like their Mexican counter parts!

This refuse by our Politicians, Pass & Present, to abide by our Constitution against Invasion, enforce our Laws & Honor their Oath of Office by defending American Citizens & this Nation from Invasion is Treason. Pure & Simple!

Posted by: american1 | May 2, 2010 4:34 PM
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"Under this law, police officers will be able to stop someone on a "reasonable suspicion" that the person might be an illegal immigrant."

The author of this article obviously hasn't even READ the legislation, because that statement is wrong.

1. A person may be asked to provide proof of status only AFTER they have been legally stopped, detained or arrested for ANOTHER crime or suspicion of another crime. They can NOT be stopped simply to ascertain status.

2. They can NOT be asked to provide proof of status based on race, ethnicity or national origin. Period. There must be OTHER factors that cause the officer to suspect that they are in the state illegally.

3. It is already a federal law that all legally documented immigrants carry their documentation at all times.

4. If proof of status is requested, providing a state ID, a state driver's license or social security card are considered sufficient proof under the new AZ law. They don't have to have a green card or visa on their person.

Stop the hysteria! No one can be stopped because they "look illegal" and no one can be stopped just to prove their status!!!

Posted by: anna_78750 | May 2, 2010 3:37 PM
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Yash Gupta,
Although your article is titled "Short Sighted Leadership" you never really made any point about leadership. All you did was sort of touch on civil rights, civil law, economics, history and personal opinion in a kaleidoscope of cliches.

Therefore, lets now talk about the best example of short sighted leadership. Look no further that Washington DC. Any congressman (or President) that wants to get re-elected knows better than to mention immigration reform or, God forbid, immigration enforcement. The decades of neglect allowed officials to get re-elected , but has now created broken states and ultimately will shatter millions of lives. Yet you ignore all this to take an easy pot-shot at a governor trying to save her state by signing a little 17 page bill. Are you proud of this piece? I guess we all have our "third rails".

Posted by: FutureView2010 | May 2, 2010 3:29 PM
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If someone is willing to come to a place where the native population is openly hostile, the only work you can get because you don't have "papers" is exploitative low wage crap work that none of those native citizens will do, you have to live underground because of aforementioned "papers" and you are willing to endure that all for the sake of a better life for your children and family? THOSE people we want. The ignorant "I should have it 'cause I'ze white" or the "I should have it because I was born on this piece of dirt" entitlement crowd with their fat arse kids and their beer soaked ESPN filled lives -- THOSE people we can do without.

Posted by: John1263 | May 2, 2010 2:49 PM
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Well, er, um, actually, in the 2008 presidential election, 1.23 million Arizonans voted for McCain, their native son, BUT, 1.03 million voted for the BLACK candidate, Barack Hussein Obama.

Maybe you are more prejudiced against the people of Arizona than they are against people with dark skins?

Think about it!!

And when you say, "THOSE people we can do without" exactly what are you planning to do with them? Terminate those people of Arizona who are US citizens?

Posted by: rohitcuny | May 2, 2010 3:21 PM
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I only lived two years in Arizona but they had a problem and tried to do something. Doing nothing is one way to solve a problem.

I noted the United States government did that with regulations and we had an economic crash.

This seems to be another problem which the government does nothing and hopes it goes away. That seems unlikely. New York tried to do something with economic regulation but was overridden by the government. Now that Arizona has put though was laws these are also likely to be overridden.

Still problem will not go away even if you ignore it. I guess congress is now unhappy with Arizona but I have the feeling there are alot of people in Arizona unhappy with congress and would go south of the border to hell.

Posted by: artg | May 2, 2010 3:20 PM
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I believe the law is just that - a law- passed by the AZ legislature, and not an edict by Jan Brewer. Further, racial profiling is prohibited in it. In other words, this professoris either stupid or lying, which is typical of columns in WAPO these days.

Posted by: chatard | May 2, 2010 3:16 PM
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I believe the law is just that - a law- passed by the AZ legislature, and not an edict by Jan Brewer. Further, racial profiling is prohibited in it. In other words, this professoris either stupid or lying, which is typical of columns in WAPO these days.

Posted by: chatard | May 2, 2010 3:14 PM
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Not a clue. I hope your classes have more substance than this stupidity.

Have you considered the possibility that the state of Arizona could care less about the economic consequences that you forecast?

Posted by: rusty3 | May 2, 2010 2:56 PM
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Posted by: cisconwa | May 2, 2010 2:45 AM
What is utterly hilarious is the severity of ignorance amongst these pro-Arizona racists. For one, Arizona was a colony of Spain and Mexico longer than it has been a state or a territory.
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Ah yes, sovereign rights. Citizens of Mexico are entitled to the land and benefits because they were swindled by the United States. Well, we are a country of laws. Until Mexico files and wins a repatriation lawsuit, the southwest is still America. Arizona actually respects the state's Hispanic heritage. We just object to the Feds turning their backs on 500,000 trespassers that are killing our state. Mexican citizens entering without proper authorization are in violation of FEDERAL LAWS and now Arizona laws as well. Also, I do not understand your term "pro-Arizona racist". Why do you inject racism into a pro-American phrase?

Posted by: FutureView2010 | May 2, 2010 2:53 PM
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If someone is willing to come to a place where the native population is openly hostile, the only work you can get because you don't have "papers" is exploitative low wage crap work that none of those native citizens will do, you have to live underground because of aforementioned "papers" and you are willing to endure that all for the sake of a better life for your children and family? THOSE people we want. The ignorant "I should have it 'cause I'ze white" or the "I should have it because I was born on this piece of dirt" entitlement crowd with their fat arse kids and their beer soaked ESPN filled lives -- THOSE people we can do without.

Posted by: John1263 | May 2, 2010 2:49 PM
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UTAHREB writes, "OK, fine but if that argument is valid, then we should simply hand over Arizona to Spain, should we not? And what about all the native Americans whom the Spaniards killed? Maybe all Spanish speaking people should just go back to Spain?"

See, the severity of the "teabagger" mindset---their ignorance and racism reins supreme. Your inability to understand many obvious things is evident. For one, if an area settled by Hispanics, for centuries, is later taken over by the United States, for one to now decry that there are all of these Hispanics misses the obvious context, of course there are a lot of Hispanics there, of course they still talk Spanish, which is why to create a law directed at Hispanics tosses in law abiding Americans, that is not equality. Equality is when everyone is stopped and asked the same asinine questions. Don't worry, your mindset will continue to face the reality of the law, Constitutional Law, and so start gnashing your teeth, because in the end all you nut jobs are fortifying Obama's rein, what other alternatives do independents have? Teabaggers? Tin foil hatters? Exactly.

Posted by: cisconwa | May 2, 2010 2:19 PM
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Arizonans will suffer mightily for the draconian, arcane bill, for years to come...
Posted by: demtse | May 2, 2010 1:36 PM
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Have you read the bill? Just wondered.

The main parts of the bill say that Federal laws will be enforced. If you have trouble with the bill then you have trouble with the federal laws. Basically Arizona is fed up with the fact that the federal government does not enforce its own laws.

America has a habit of passing tough laws and not enforcing them. It is better to have milder laws, but enforce them strictly.

Posted by: rohitcuny | May 2, 2010 2:02 PM
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corebanks1940 wrote:
Their children have the right, under a 1982 Supreme Court decision, to attend local schools at local expense, crowding the classrooms of native-born children, whose educations are further undermined when substantial numbers of their classmates cannot speak English.
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I am reminded of SCOTUS CJ Taney and the Merryman matter. I suggest school districts start booting out "Anchor Babies" and the youngsters of illegal aliens. These people suck-up:

1. Social Services
2. The criminal and civil justice systems, respectively
3. Hospitals and ER's
4. Leave tons fo refuse after they protest that they deserve these things.

Guess what?

1. When every youngster in South Central Los Angeles, Appalachia and the Ozarks receives an education they actually deserve,

2. When every ER isn't populated with unpaying illegal immigrants and the taxpayer / patient is stuck with their bills (How's that new "Health Care Deformed Bill" workin' for ya? Have all of you goteen your new insurance cards, yet?)

3. When only 1/20th, instead of 95% of all outstanding homicide warrants, in the County of Los Angeles happen...

Then (the buzz-phrase of the day) Comprehensive Immigration Reform can start.

In the meantime, all univted guests are invited to leave and government agencies, to bring back fiscal responsibility, need to cut off social services for the people who are hear unlawfully.

Politicians, do your freakin' job and uphold your oath of office. Either that or resign.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | May 2, 2010 1:37 PM
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Arizonans will suffer mightily for the draconian, arcane bill, for years to come...

Posted by: demtse | May 2, 2010 1:36 PM
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Here is the text of the Arizona bill:

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

Posted by: rohitcuny | May 2, 2010 12:41 PM
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Imagine a humanitarian group dropping 500,000 Haitians off in the mall and telling them to stay in the DC/Maryland area. The group continues to bring a 1,000 more refugees every day. Since these poor quake victims have done nothing wrong other than trespass on US soil, Janet Napolitano will not take your call. A month goes by. Yikes, now there are 30,000 more! The Feds say it is your responsibility to care for them. Courts rule that the Haitians are entitled to special schooling even if neighborhood schools need to be shut down to balance the cost. Let’s have parlor talks about leadership – and the Haitians just keep coming. Get the message? This not about race. This is about being abandoned by our federal government.

The new Arizona law “will detract from and siphon resources that we need to focus on those in the country illegally who are committing serious crimes, in addition to violating our nation’s immigration laws,” Napolitano told members of the Senate Judiciary Committee today.

This is government speak for she no longer enforces immigration laws. Flashback to Sen. Barbara Jordan of Texas – “Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave.” My, how far has leadership fallen in this nation. There is no more clarity of purpose, just re-elections.

Governor Brewer had the fortitude to sign a bill that mimics existing immigration laws and ICE 287 authority. That’s leadership. If people do not like the 287 provisions, come up with something better. Maybe your next topic could be: Does Janet Napolitano have the right to ignore existing federal laws.

Posted by: FutureView2010 | May 2, 2010 12:39 PM
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The United States Government has failed at it’s most fundamental duty to its citizens. It has permitted an invasion by Mexico to go on for decades. When WWII began the liberal icon of icons, Franklin Roosevelt, didn’t ask Japanese Americans on the West Coast about their citizenship or loyalty, he IMPRISONED every one of them and their children without trial, but of course not his German American friends on the East Coast. And the Supreme Court found it constitutional under the circumstances. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. When the Federal Government refuses to defend us we have the right to defend ourselves. Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution provides that “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay“. There are approximately 500,00 Mexican invaders in Arizona today with more coming across the border every day. It as been unofficial Mexican government police to encourage the poor to go North for decades. If Roosevelt can constitutionally imprison Americans when the nearest Japanese soldier was at least 3000 miles from the West Coast surely Arizona can ask about citizenship in the face of 500,00 Mexican invaders, and probably do much more.

Posted by: jdonner2 | May 2, 2010 12:19 PM
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"Short sighted" according to who? It seems that you are calling the American People short sighted.
Vote your not-short-sighted opinion at the poll that asks: If There is an Arizona Boycott, Would You Buy More or Less Products from Arizona?
More; Less; No Difference.
At http://www.robbingamerica.com
Check it out and see who is the "short-sighted".

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | May 2, 2010 12:06 PM
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I seem to remember quite a few debates in which republicons/conservatives were asked for input, ofered none, then complained bitterly. And no, repeating a political talking point is not offering ideas. It is propaganda.

At the health care summit reoublicons offered much nothing, but the substantive things they did bring up - particularly coeburn -- were added to the plan, which brought immediate criticism from?? coeburn.

Our process is messy. It is designed to be very messy, cumbersome, and somewhat unresponsive. ON PURPOSE. Read the minutes, the Federalist. they dd not ant majority whim deciding policy. The Framers thought that most people were too ignorant to understnad, even then. So if the government does something that many do not like...so? They are supposed to do that sometimes. If they do it consistently they are not re-elected. When the courts are not stacked with ideologues they act as the ultimate check on the process. Unfortunatley for the past 4 decades conservatives have jammed so many crazies on the bench that our SCOTUS has become a legal laughing stock. Their decisions should be SNL skits, not renditions on law.

Posted by: John1263 | May 2, 2010 12:05 PM
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Dissent is our right. Working to change government through our Constitutionally protected processes is our right and our duty. Rebellion because we don't like the policies being carried out (than God they are being carried out because they saved not just Democrats but the entire country) by the elected government is not legitimate. Protest all you want, but when you are talking revolutions you are a traitor to the United States, our Constitution, or Forefathers (and Mothers) and all who have fought and died to keep our nation safe.
Posted by: John1263 | May 2, 2010 11:19 AM
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The difficulty is that very many decisions are actually made by the Supreme Court and the voters' control over its actions is quite minute. It is a little like trying to clean your ceiling with a tooth brush tied to the end of a garden hose.

Theoretically, you are in control, aren't YOU the one holding the garden hose? :) But in fact the hose appears to have its own will.

Hardly any other country on this planet has this bizarre situation that important decisions made in a supposedly democratic country are actually beyond the reach of the democratic process.

Democracy itself is also a messy process, and it makes little sense, as Arrow and Gibbard and Satterthwaite showed, to talk about the "Will of the people." But the US situation is worse than that in any other democratic country. In the UK, for instance, the parliament, elected BY THE PEOPLE, is supreme and an act of parliament is the law of the land. So the voters do actually have power. But not, I am afraid, in the US.

When liberals talk about the "Will of the People" they usually mean, "Will of the Liberals" and conservatives are shoved under the rug like so much scum.

But they are not scum, they are your fellow citizens and you must listen to them, just as they must listen to you.

Obama spoke recently about dialogue. And snobbish liberals need to listen to him just as much as conservatives do.

Posted by: rohitcuny | May 2, 2010 11:47 AM
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Arizona is doing for immigration reform what Mississippi, Little Rock, and especially Alabama with Wallace and Bull Connor did for civil rights. They even have a retrograde version of theopholus bull connor out there in Mariposa Country setting up concentration camps.

Posted by: John1263 | May 2, 2010 11:25 AM
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If you equate what you tea baggers are doing with what the colonists did to the crown, then you are urging treason. It is not some foriegn power you are urging rebellion against, it is the legitimate Constitutionally elected government of the United States of America. That right of rebellion no longer exists since we have peaceful transfer of power, elections, and rule of law. This issue was something the defenders of slavery raised back in the mid 19th century, but it was treason then, and it is treason now.

Dissent is our right. Working to change government through our Constitutionally protected processes is our right and our duty. Rebellion because we don't like the policies being carried out (than God they are being carried out because they saved not just Democrats but the entire country) by the elected government is not legitimate. Protest all you want, but when you are talking revolutions you are a traitor to the United States, our Constitution, or Forefathers (and Mothers) and all who have fought and died to keep our nation safe.

Posted by: John1263 | May 2, 2010 11:19 AM
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I forgot to mention in the story below that despite her name, Tenzin Palmo is actually an Englishwoman, who converted to Buddhism and was spending a long meditation retreat in India.

"Actually there is an amusing story here. Tenzin Palmo, author of Cave in the Snow was on a long meditation retreat in the Himalayas. Naturally she neglected to renew her permit to stay in India and a police officer climbed all the way up to the cave to demand that she renew her documentation."
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And here is a quote from her:

"People have this idea that Enlightenment and realisation is something in a distance - a very fantastic and magnificent happening which will transform everything once and for always. But it's not like that at all. It's something which is so simple you hardly see it. It's right in front of us, so close we don't notice it. And it's something which can happen at any moment. And the moment we see it, there it is. It's been there all the time, but we've had our inner eye closed. When the moments of awareness all link up - we become a Buddha."

Posted by: rohitcuny | May 2, 2010 11:11 AM
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Mr. Gupta, this country was founded on the principle of individual leadership and opposition to the English crown. Today, you see an uprising of the people against the leadership of Obama and the Democratic party. If you cannot understand that God, national borders and the rights of individuals to disagree with their government are sacred in this country, you should not be in a teaching position. Perhaps it is time to return to merry old India.
Posted by: iamafg | May 2, 2010 1:51 AM
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Actually there is an amusing story here. Tenzin Palmo, author of Cave in the Snow was on a long meditation retreat in the Himalayas. Naturally she neglected to renew her permit to stay in India and a police officer climbed all the way up to the cave to demand that she renew her documentation.

You cannot check into a hotel in India without showing your passport, although a Mexican with an ability to imitate an Indian accent (he looks Indian anyway) could get away by saying, "I am an Indian citizen."

I understand the feelings of people who want all borders to be open. That is ultimately what is in their hearts and they will oppose any law that prevents that.

"God gave this planet to all of us and we have no right to cut it up into nations." This is appealing, but ultimately nothing more than an impractical sentimentality.

I strongly suspect that Mr. Gupta was either born here or came here legally. But he has bought into the liberal rhetoric that legal immigration and illegal immigration are the same thing, and that those who oppose illegal immigration are "anti-immigrant".

Posted by: rohitcuny | May 2, 2010 10:14 AM
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Corebanks1940 - Well said - we in AZ are tired of having our neighborhoods turned into barrios. We are tired of having to pay for the social services, education and medical care for illegals. We are tired of seeing ads that specify "bilingual" in order to be hired. We are tired of seeing ads in Mexican in our stores. We are tired of having our ERs overcrowded with illegals who do not pay for their own care - and we, the tax payers, end up paying for them.

Crime and violence are on the increase and ranchers on the border are terrorized by illegals and one shot and killed. Phoenix, AZ, is second in the world in kidnappings - Mexico City is first. We have only about 4,000 Border Patrol agents on our border, which is the major entry to the U.S. for illegals.

I wish the bleeding hearts would come and live in a border city or town for 6 months and see how they feel at the end of that time. But they sit in their ivory towers and then criticize AZ for trying to protect its borders and its people.

Posted by: Utahreb | May 2, 2010 10:13 AM
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What is utterly hilarious is the severity of ignorance amongst these pro-Arizona racists. For one, Arizona was a colony of Spain and Mexico longer than it has been a state or a territory. Posted by: cisconwa | May 2, 2010 2:45 AM
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OK, fine but if that argument is valid, then we should simply hand over Arizona to Spain, should we not? And what about all the native Americans whom the Spaniards killed? Maybe all Spanish speaking people should just go back to Spain? :)

The truth is that we have to face the problem we have right now. And the problem is that the US has far too many illegal immigrants and states like Arizona are bearing the brunt.

They passed a law (perhaps not the best law) but they are being criticized as racists by those who do not know what the bill says and what it does.

AFAIK, the law does NOT authorize the police to question every brown skinned person going to a shopping mall. All it does is that IF someone is stopped for an offense, e.g., speeding, then that person can ALSO be asked to show that they are in the US legally.

That is not asking for much. There is the problem of a person who is here legally but has not got the documentation handy. I hope that a civilized and polite system is set up by the State of Arizona to deal with that eventuality.

Ultimately, a lot of Americans do not like to obey the law. It is fine to HAVE laws, but they do not like them to be enforced. This is probably a remnant of the frontier mentality when you did not deal with an offence by calling the police, you just resorted to a gun.

But those days are gone. Americans are going to have to get used to the fact that laws exist, they should be obeyed, AND they should be enforced.

Land of the Free cannot, any longer, mean, Land of the Free Not to Obey Laws.

Posted by: rohitcuny | May 2, 2010 10:01 AM
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There is a strange alliance here between rich businesses who want cheap labor, which is easily hired and easily fired, and liberals who, ultimately do not accept the idea that the US has any borders at all.

Liberals cannot be blamed - they are taking literally the message on the Statue of Liberty,

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

They forget that this message is not part of the US constitution. There is hardly any country in the world which allows unlimited illegal immigration. But the US is divided between those who want to control immigration (sometimes by harsh means) and those who really, in their hearts, want open borders.

And it is the alliance between the "open borders" people and the businesses which want to hire cheap labor which has led the US into effectively a debacle.

Possibly the Arizona bill is not good. But none of the newspapers criticizing it have bothered to publish the actual text. So liberals who have not read the bill, hear from other liberals who have also not read the bill, and conclude that it is terrible.

Ultimately, the issue of illegal immigration has to be faced squarely, and it will not be as long as those say they who want to protect civil rights, face up to the fact that they are actually asking for open borders.

And yes, I am an immigrant, but a legal one. It took me many many hard years from my first (legal) entry into the US to citizenship. Somehow I do not like the idea of others breaking to the front of the line and being defended for doing so.

Illegals, PLEASE WAIT YOUR TURN!

Posted by: rohitcuny | May 2, 2010 9:43 AM
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Nothing more than more left wing propaganda dribble from the WaPO.

Posted by: jdonner2 | May 2, 2010 9:37 AM
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So what if the bill is racist. That is exactly what it was intended to do. We want to keep out those who do not come legally. The sad part is that most americans do not realize that in a few short years, if nothing is done ,there will be 3 political parties.democrats republicans and mexicans. You do not even have to be smart to figure that out. The tear jerking liberals will really have something to cry about whan they continue to pay taxes for illegals to benefit from an american way of life. We are at the edge of a disaster and we do not realize it. Talking, or writing about it does nothing. We have to act about it.

Posted by: MALBENNET | May 2, 2010 9:26 AM
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Imagine yourself a landowner in southern Arizona. The border between San Diego and Tijuana is now effectively fenced, so the flow of illegal immigration has been diverted to your front yard. Every morning you wake up to a hillock of garbage: plastic bottles, food remains, human urine and feces. If you try to police your land, you put your life at risk: Last month, Arizona rancher Rob Krentz was murdered on his own property, likely by a marijuana-smuggling illegal migrant.

Mexico’s drug war has reached into Arizona cities. Federal authorities capture an average of 1.5 tons of marijuana per day in Arizona. Drug-related kidnappings, torture, and murders of illegals by illegals have made Phoenix one of the most violent cities in the United States. Illegals crowd hospital emergency rooms, crash uninsured cars, and transform overbuilt neighborhoods into rooming house slums. Their children have the right, under a 1982 Supreme Court decision, to attend local schools at local expense, crowding the classrooms of native-born children, whose educations are further undermined when substantial numbers of their classmates cannot speak English.

Yet not only does the law go unenforced, not only has work not even started on the immigration fence that Congress supposedly voted to build two years ago, but the authorities in Washington keep talking up a proposed amnesty (sorry: “pathway to citizenship”) that only invites more illegals to rush into the U.S. to take advantage of this dazzling opportunity. And when people complain, when a state legislature like Arizona’s takes what action it can against a crisis incubated over 20 years by an unspoken federal policy to look the other way—they are vilified as haters and racists.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | May 2, 2010 9:00 AM
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All the Left does is complain about those actually trying to do something about illegal immigration. They have absolutely no solutions other than amnesty, which would potentially add another 12 million government-dependant Democrats to the voting roles, which is their real goal. The Left is the party of “no”, and derelict and impotent when it comes to enforcing the law.

Posted by: IgnorantHillbilly | May 2, 2010 8:44 AM
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AZ has surpassed TX as our stupidest, most retrograde state. Hey, at least all you haters and racists in AZ are #1 at something!

Posted by: Bugs222 | May 2, 2010 8:30 AM
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"Close to 30 senators in Arizona Senate who voted for this immigration bill also voted for another bill that Presidential candidates should produce birth certificates. That says it all. "

No, it does not.

The fact that racists oppose Obamacare does not make opposition to Obamacare racist.

And Mestizo-looking families going grocery shopping would not be subject to apprehension just for "looking illegal." The procedures only kick in after a legitimate law enforcement contact.

Posted by: WmarkW | May 2, 2010 8:16 AM
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Close to 30 senators in Arizona Senate who voted for this immigration bill also voted for another bill that Presidential candidates should produce birth certificates. That says it all.

This bill is plain and simply a racist bill. For police to stop a family who is going for shopping simply because they look brown, is beyond belief and totally un American. Mexican Americans, not to mention native Americans, have been living in the country before there was a state of Arizona.

A large number of people who support this bill are the same who believe Obama was not born in the country. It is a sad state affairs in our country. We should control our border at the border, but stop people in the cities and towns because they look brown is not only immoral but illegal, and hopefully courts will find it so.

Posted by: ak1967 | May 2, 2010 8:03 AM
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Uh, since when is being a Hispanic a "race"? I thought there were only 3 races: white, black, yellow (using current terms). Thus, Hispanics are WHITE. And where does the AZ law discriminate against WHITES? Gupta employs the same tactic that most tyrants use: accuse the opposing side of an issue using the same tactic. IOW, AZ can't do what I do. Tyrants are the first to scream. Gupta is a tyrant. He misses the whole point. He also is lousy in his history. The bottom line: HE is the one that is wrong. HE is the one that is being expedient. HE is the one who will reap the benefit of his article. HE knows this very well. HE is the one that is being disingenuous. AND, he got paid to write the article, I'll bet. Nice gig, if you can get it.

Posted by: sdansker2002 | May 2, 2010 7:30 AM
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You left out a key part of the analogy:

What if you're a junior employee and the senior supervisor simply isn't doing his job?

Arizona's new law is nothing more than a state assuming a responsibility that the federal government has abrogated. The economics of illegal immigration is such that the federal government and state governments in places where illegal immigrants don't move to, come out AHEAD by illegal immigration, pushing the whole burden onto the receiver states.

If my department makes widgets, and other departments make thingamajigs and doodads, and markets sells thingamajigs and doodads, but not widgets, am I justified setting up my own marketing channel, if the rest of the company doesn't care about selling them?

Posted by: WmarkW | May 2, 2010 7:30 AM
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Governor Brewer is not a junior leader. She is the elected Governor of Arizona. I would place her higher than the Senators and Representatives of Arizona in Washington. There are no bold actions in Congress by anyone. Those representatives don't have the guts to do what needs to be done. They are too busy weighing the consequences of bold action to actually take it. To them politics and their job comes first, then the interests of the people they claim to represent.

Posted by: bobbo2 | May 2, 2010 6:14 AM
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Arizona Gov. Brewer and sate legislature has enacted this law based on the facts available to them.

The problem faced by US is that there is rising unemployment, soaring national debt due to which the state and fed will find it extremely difficult to even support legal residents in US.

Even if one were to assume fed can find a way to support massive expenditure on illegal aliens in form of providing endless funds to state government, the issue of escalating violence remains.

Arizona and many border states are facing increasing violence directly attributed to increase in illegal alien population. During the past six months the illegal aliens have brazenly attacked law enforcement, feds in US and outside US. No self respecting governing body or people should tolerate such disrespect from illegal aliens.

The outcome of Illegal Alien Act will be that, Illegal aliens will flee Arizona, (Texas and Alabama to follow) to states in the North.

Prof. Yash Gupta, you and your colleagues will have the God given opportunity to provide shelter to such fleeing illegal aliens. Your act of generosity to illegal aliens will also help to satisfy your ulterior motive - of garnering respect and support of Latino Americans - which in turn will translate into better business prospects for you and your colleagues.

We the 70% of Americans (favoring the Arizona illegal alien act) wish you and your colleagues and your businesses, success and prosperity.

Posted by: Vipda | May 2, 2010 3:47 AM
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One other thing, President Obama, had you been President in during Martin King Luther's marches, apparently the same attacks would have happened. So much for the "transformational" Presidency.

Eisenhower, well at least he also had courage as a President. Apparently the memo on what to do in Arizona is in the queue with what do about those pesky facts regarding State sponsored torture. Don't worry nobody is holding their breath, except innocent Mexican-Americans. Adelante con Obama? No gracias.

Posted by: cisconwa | May 2, 2010 2:53 AM
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What is utterly hilarious is the severity of ignorance amongst these pro-Arizona racists. For one, Arizona was a colony of Spain and Mexico longer than it has been a state or a territory.

So with all of these people living there who have roots longer than the descendants of the Mayflower to suddenly be harassed to produce proof of citizenship based on the way they look, talk, etc is so pathetically wrong. I'm hoping they pull me over and stop me and ask me their asinine questions as nothing would please me more than to sue Arizona and take money from the coffers of this banana republic led by thuggish racist dimwits.

Why stop with people who look like Mexicans, why not Asians? Blacks? Or even better Irish? Boy that would go over real nice wouldn't it. How would one profile Irish illegal immigrants?

The key element is reform immigration, have the weapon manufacturers stop sending arms to fuel Mexico's drug war and instability, stop buying drugs, and have American Maquiladora companies in Mexico, pay more than $10.00-$28.00 per DAY, not hourly, per DAY. Shocking isn't it?

It is simply ironic that these conservatives who exploit the Mexican labor force, sell weapons and buy drugs, and those who use the situation for their own political purposes, are the shrillest about illegal immigrants? Shut up and take personal responsibility and get Congress to do their job while you work on your own vices. In the meantime, I'm the Mexican-American that's more than happy to separate the fools in Arizona from their money, see you in court.

Posted by: cisconwa | May 2, 2010 2:45 AM
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Real leaders? Profiling worst than American murders? Here's how your real leaders in Washington work. Senators, and Congressmen need large groups of voters to swing elections for them, all over America. Lets be honest, thats what it is all about, elections. Washington wants to win elections, doesn't matter if its a republican or a democrat. Both guilty parties, try, with favors and promises to win large voting groups over, to win elections. Americans are trying to keep stability in their states and cities, using techniques employed by most other stable countries, that value their citizens lives and properties. Our real self serving elected leaders will demonizes anyone that endangers the promises and favors they made to get elected. While at the same time keeping the same promises and favors available for future elections. Our self serving leaders have no plans to do what is right for ALL AMERICANS in finding a functional solution to the REAL, NOT ILLUSIONAL border failures that have been festering for years. Those same leaders, continue to avoid, rename, stall, CHANGE THE ISSUE, redefine, and have other politicians give theoretical polemics in their attempt to hang on to those voting groups at any price. AMERICAN lives included. Either you honestly try to develop a safe stable, functional American border like other countries establish, or you honestly just want or need votes at any price. I feel your criticisms are miss directed. Arizona made an honest attempt,and a honest effort, to protect its citizens lives and their properties, while real self serving leaders in Washington protected elections.

Posted by: dsperry2 | May 2, 2010 2:02 AM
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Mr. Gupta, this country was founded on the principle of individual leadership and opposition to the English crown. Today, you see an uprising of the people against the leadership of Obama and the Democratic party. If you cannot understand that God, national borders and the rights of individuals to disagree with their government are sacred in this country, you should not be in a teaching position. Perhaps it is time to return to merry old India.

Posted by: iamafg | May 2, 2010 1:51 AM
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Arizona's short sided leadership? Yash Gupta, when are you going to wake up and smell the trash you are peddling?

It is costing the State of Arizona more than $350,000,000 a year to incarcerate illegal aliens because the federal government refuses to do it.

And, it is costing Arizona's hospitals more than $100,000,000 annually to treat illegal aliens that the federal government mandates that they must treat.

Then there is the costs to the schools that are required by the federal government to educate hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant children that don't even speak English.

All Arizona is doing is attempting to protect itself from the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Posted by: mike85 | May 2, 2010 1:28 AM
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Once again, an articulate article, but all it does is criticize Arizona's law, which by all accounts has a 70% approval rating.

If Mr. Gupta is so highly educated and has such an in-depth understanding of what is wrong with Arizona's law, he should have been able to tell them how to correct their problem. But he seems unwilling to acknowledge that there is a problem (kind of like the Feds) and can only criticize instead of offering an alternative means to solve the problem. Lacking that, then Arizona's new law seems to the only feasible course of action. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

Posted by: VAfromMN1 | May 2, 2010 12:19 AM
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Not short sighted but rather the dried up prune with some brain tumour of some disease like that pesticide ex Sales man Tom Delay of Texas that know not the hole in the ground then their arses. The real bottom line is that with economic terror besieging AZ far worst, it may just wind up being a part of Mexico. In a real traditional sense the Native Indians and their Mexican brothers have more right to AZ and NM then the gringos, who are all wrapped up in the flag and farting patriotism. Without the Latino and Mexican undocumented the3 Southern States from SC in the East to AZ in the West and all in between would grind to a halt.

Posted by: winemaster2 | May 1, 2010 11:59 PM
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If you think supporting criminals is a requirement for the designation "non-racist", then you are correct HokieAnnie. For the rest of us, this law is not eo ipso racist.

Posted by: Martial | May 1, 2010 11:58 PM
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Respect for Civil Rights a core value in the US? I'd love for it to be so but there's about 20-30 percent of Americans who actively DISRESPECT Civil Rights. Take a gander at the Washington Post's comment sections and you'll see what I mean.

Posted by: HokieAnnie | April 30, 2010 5:02 PM
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