Raul J. Fernandez
Entrepreneur, sports teams owner

Raul J. Fernandez

Chairman of ObjectVideo, a private technology firm, and part owner of the Washington Capitals, Wizards and Mystics.

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Pro, not con

Q: The tea-party movement doesn't want a single leader. After all, the last thing it wants is to become part of the "establishment." But in recent primaries, tea-party candidates ended up battling each other, enabling some incumbents to win. Does a successful organization need a leader to steer the boat? Or is it enough for the upstarts to oppose the "old guard" on principle and to agree on some key ideas?

Saying "No" is not a long-term strategy

Being against something as a long-term strategy has very limited upside in any organization.

The tea party and its wide array of candidates have become successful and viral on a combination of saying no to what's going on in Washington with both parties and agreeing on some core issues. It's actually the first major political movement to grow up very quickly thru the use of social networking tools, but sometimes the wisdom of mobs does not lead to ultimate victory.

Time will tell if the noise within the tea-party movement makes them stronger or weaker in November. The good news in American politics is that we still keep score and there are clear winners and losers on election night.

I am sure that many tea-party candidates will win in November and some that many thought should win, will lose. The long-term longevity of this movement will depend on how they handle the success and failure of those candidates and if they adjust. Only time will tell.

By Raul J. Fernandez  |  June 17, 2010; 4:31 PM ET  | Category:  Upstarts vs. veterans Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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The "Yes we can" Obamanites were a mob... The Tea party is a citizen revolt against a government out of control.

You know it, I know it... all the Lenin style propoganda from Pravda on the Potomoc cannot change it.


Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chief | June 22, 2010 10:16 AM
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The country only needs the tea party to last to 2012 and with a new president the need will probably cease to exist, especially if most of the Democrats are gone.

Posted by: richard166 | June 22, 2010 10:11 AM
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The Tea Party will be around long after you are gone, Mr. Fernandez.

Posted by: dweezil22 | June 22, 2010 9:58 AM
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Battleground51 is another prime example.

Posted by: dicklongshot | June 22, 2010 9:07 AM
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This guy, Paul Hernandez, is so full of partisan bile that he can't see the forest for the trees. The TEA PARTY is just one of the side affects of the ObamaNation.

Conservatives are 100% united in opposition.

Moderates are going that way.

Conservative Democrats are begining to turn.

Even the hyper-liberal kooks are mad.

The electoral sky will fall on the Obamamites in November. It's an almost sure thing now.

The TEA PARTY is merely a squall in a catagory 5 hurricane. A minor worry for Democrats. It's ridiculous!

Posted by: battleground51 | June 22, 2010 9:03 AM
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As a follow up see fury60 to see what I mean....

When your furious, like fury60, you end up going completely off topic and look like a lunatic.

Fury60 is a prime example of how out of touch and insane the Tea Partiers will look in November.

Posted by: dicklongshot | June 22, 2010 8:57 AM
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The Tea Party is a political Frankenstein monster.

The movement was fuelled by temporary rage that has subsided. But the candidates are still angry white people that appeal to no one in the middle and less than half of the people that would have been supporting them 9 months ago. You simply cannot win in ther long term on short term reactionary anger.

Come election, the Tea Party candidates will be completely out of touch with the November 2010 political discourse. You simply cannot win an election by appealing strictly to the 20% of America that gets all of their information from enraged right wing sources.

Posted by: dicklongshot | June 22, 2010 8:53 AM
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The tea party folks need to wake up and listen to Rev. Billy Graham. He says that he is against abortion except in cases of rape, incest and to save the life of the mother. Any other take on the issue will cause the Republican Party to take a beating at the polls.

Posted by: hurleyvision | June 22, 2010 8:33 AM
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This administration has looted our financial resources.
- This administration is hell bent on Nationalizing all businesses.
- This administration has declared war on free market capitalism.
- This administration has stolen the future of generations of Americans by running up unsustainable debt.
- This administration does not wish to do anything to protect our borders.
- This administration advocates OPEN borders.
- This administration has pulled off the largest land grab in history.

Posted by: fury60 | June 21, 2010 6:01 PM

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These talking points are laughable and completely misguided. While we do need more border protections and security to keep Americans safe, there is no evidence that the administration is shirking its duty in protecting America. Furthermore, a healthcare option was created to compete with private insurers. As for the other remarks....

Posted by: GordoAj | June 22, 2010 8:33 AM
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“The obvious lack of knowledge by the genius owner of the Wizards,etc, as well as the posts here is frightening. Check your history, the American revolution was a movement led by a group of citizens and was based on a negative "taxation without representation" but also on the positive which the present day teaparty also espouses, that is, freedom and the rights of the individual to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness".”

Lady Churchill’s “checking of history” is romantic but lacks the full truth. While taxation without representation was a rallying cry, the revolution would never had occurred without the leadership of a bunch of radical, intellectual, liberal elites. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin and most of the other founding fathers were among the wealthiest, best educated, intellectuals of their time. Further espousing such concepts as democracy, privacy, equality etc were the most left wing radical ideas of the age.

Think on this – a bunch of thugs invade a secure harbor, board a domestically flagged vessel, destroy a valuable cargo and set the ship on fire, and injure crew members in the name of a radical anti-government cause. Had the British won the war, these great patriots would have gone down in history as a bunch of terrorists. Something worth thinking about

Posted by: CharlesADavidson1 | June 22, 2010 8:31 AM
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Raul, you are an idiot. I'll bet you are in favor of amnesty, too.

Posted by: joesmithdefend | June 22, 2010 8:18 AM
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White Middle Class America took in your family and you hate them back. Stop all immigration. Men's median wages are the same as in 1973, see p60-236.pdf graph page 18.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | June 22, 2010 8:08 AM
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Creating a third political party is next to impossible considering the advantages the two existing parties have. The so called tea party is not a party but has chosen instead to try and change the Republican party by winning primaries and getting their candidates elected. They are therefore not a true party and it is wrong to call them one. This country desperately needs a third party to break the stranglehold of the two existing groups who have become corrupt and interested only in the advancement of themselves rather than the improvement of the country.

Posted by: gvelanis | June 22, 2010 8:01 AM
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The Tea Party will end when former republican minority leader / republican activist-lobbyist Dick Armey tells it too. He's now trying to bring them into the mainstream of the republican party which was his plan all along. Good luck taming that three headed hydra Dick!

Posted by: YesDear | June 22, 2010 7:57 AM
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As long as there is money to be made on the backs of the tea party members by the right wing 'elite' who divide the country into us/them, the tea party will exist. Once the money runs out, then the will to drive will disapate.

Posted by: trex12 | June 22, 2010 7:49 AM
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The Ides of November are coming...

Posted by: snowbucks | June 22, 2010 7:42 AM
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The BP oil spill has neutered the teabaggers...

Posted by: demtse | June 22, 2010 7:34 AM
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Parece mentira, Raul...tus padres pierderon un pais por la tirania de un izquierdista demonio. Ahora tenemos un socialista asqueroso dirijiendo nuestro pais y preferies mantener los ojos serrados. Con Obama en la casa blanca, este pais escrive su futura con la mano debil.

Posted by: DCer1 | June 22, 2010 7:01 AM
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The obvious lack of knowledge by the genius owner of the Wizards,etc, as well as the posts here is frightening. Check your history, the American revolution was a movement led by a group of citizens and was based on a negative "taxation without representation" but also on the positive which the present day teaparty also espouses, that is, freedom and the rights of the individual to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

Posted by: LadyChurchillUSA | June 22, 2010 5:06 AM
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The primary animating factor behind the tea party is not what they say it is - rather, it is an intense self-righteousness.

Such a level of outrage hasn't been seen since the hippies, and equally self-righteous bunch.

In fact, considering the ages of these people ... it looks like the same people from that same generation are fighting among themselves all over again.

Won't these people just die off already? How long do we have to wait? Considering all the drugs and booze they did ... you have to marvel at how modern science has kept them alive. Too bad modern science wasn't able to save a larger amount of brain matter as the years passed.

Posted by: barferio | June 22, 2010 4:14 AM
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Reviewing the whole pattern of these comments from a foreign shore certainly throws a lurid light on the present state of the American mind--like watching Judge Judy!

Nobody followed up on the comment about the Know-Nothings, an interesting precedent in the 'Up like a rocket, down like the stick' pattern of American politics. Richard Hofstadter, we need you now!

Posted by: eclect | June 22, 2010 2:52 AM
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"@mil1 John Adams and Sam Adams were cousins, not brothers. Please check your facts before you post."

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Actually, 2nd cousins. But who's counting?

Posted by: tjconnor | June 21, 2010 11:42 PM
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This administration has looted our financial resources.
- This administration is hell bent on Nationalizing all businesses.
- This administration has declared war on free market capitalism.
- This administration has stolen the future of generations of Americans by running up unsustainable debt.
- This administration does not wish to do anything to protect our borders.
- This administration advocates OPEN borders.
- This administration has pulled off the largest land grab in history.

Posted by: fury60 | June 21, 2010 6:01 PM


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It's obvious that you get your education watching TV, exclusively FOX NEWS.

Get your little, brainless head out of your behind. Leave your trailer once in a while and look at the real world, and what's left of it after Bush II.

Spare us intelligent readers your "FOX" talking points. We all know they are nothing but LIES.

Have a good night. And don't forget to use paper when you wipe your behind

Posted by: mackiejw | June 21, 2010 11:41 PM
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@mil1 John Adams and Sam Adams were cousins, not brothers. Please check your facts before you post.
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Sorry, typing quickly and while watching children ages 12,9,5 and 2 months. Also typing from memory....cousins is correct. However, all other info is also correct or is as has been presented to me in college.

Point remains--which "mob" is it? I don't believe it is a movement per se but I don't doubt it has influence. For those of you who think it is just racists, etc who are looking to see what the TEA party is about you will be surprised in November. Again, it has been used and reused by conservative radio personalities, authors and the like but those attending these 'events' aren't actually acting as a "mob", they are acting much more like a movement. Perhaps more importantly it's composed of the people who are paying taxes and who, generally, don't get involved in more than casting a vote.

It reminds me quite a bit of the anti-war movement in the late 60s and early 70s when the "silent majority" joined those who on the whole were on the left and leaned quite heavily that way to stop US involvement in Vietnam. Together that movement achieved the pull out the left by itself was unable to achieve. Yes, the TEA party may all fall apart--but that's also what the media thought of the anti-war movement in 1967 as well...they aren't the best in predicting Presidential resignations, American resolve, or social movement success.

Posted by: mil1 | June 21, 2010 11:36 PM
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"The long-term longevity"?

Editor? Editor?

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And you paid how much to access this article to contribute for adequate editing? Now THAT'S socialism........

Posted by: tjconnor | June 21, 2010 10:16 PM
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"The long-term longevity"?

Editor? Editor?

Posted by: talitha1 | June 21, 2010 10:04 PM
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"It is pointless to argue with them. They simply have no grasp of what is going on. You might as well debate a rock."

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True. Rational debate went out the window years ago, this is just the current iteration of the radicals. These are not "ordinary citizens, voicing their legitimate concerns as to the direction our country is going", they are a reactionary mob filling Beck's coffers and being "angry" for no apparent rational reason.

As I've said B4, if any one of the candidates who claims to represent the tea baggers wins, they'll toe the New Republican line after this cable "news" phenomena phades in the phall.

Posted by: tjconnor | June 21, 2010 10:03 PM
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Mr Fernandez,
As others have noted, it is a gross misstatement to attribute the growth of the Tea Party (sic) to social networking. Any group that had hours of promotion on a national cable news network, including promotional events with seven figure corporate funding and live TV coverage could do the same.

I have a question for those taxpayers who identify with the T.E.A. cohort:

Why should a penny of taxpayer money pay for the Gulf Coast cleanup? Shouldn't BP pick up the entire bill?

Posted by: boscobobb | June 21, 2010 9:53 PM
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The Tea Party started off by - ostensibly - breaking with Republicans and arguing that they were a bi-partisan, movement for financial responsibility.

As November approaches and some of their candidates have mad it on tickets - as Republicans - the Tea Party has added and more morality and religion to their rhetoric.

I'm guessing that by November - while there will still people calling themselves members - it will be pretty difficult to the difference between them and your standard GOP issue Republican.

Posted by: shadow27 | June 21, 2010 9:50 PM
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National disgrace? Americans calling for the violent overthrow of their government based on allegations that have been repeatedly shown to be false. That's what constitutes a national disgrace.

Posted by: jlhare1 | June 21, 2010 9:34 PM
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The tea partiers are vermin who should be driven en masse into the sea and drowned like dogs.

Posted by: cythera45 | June 21, 2010 9:26 PM
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"jobhunter10 | June 21, 2010 5:35 PM
Call them a MOB if you must, but most are earnest hard-working citizens. The MOB that pushed Obama into office was made up of welfare deadbeats and ungrateful college kids blowing their Dad's money and their education".

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Posted by: crankandroll | June 21, 2010 9:16 PM
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I predict the ones drinking caffeinated tea will win, but only if they drink their tea before noon. The decaf folks don't have a chance here, and the ones addicted past noon are so far gone they only listen to themselves...

Posted by: thanksforfish | June 21, 2010 8:50 PM
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I'm sure in the end the Tea Party will finally come up with some grand solution to fix everything - they'll probably come up with some idea of elections - and voting.

If not ? Gee- sounds like you're either 'saved' er ? yer a terrist !

Posted by: RedRaspberrySeeds | June 21, 2010 8:40 PM
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My son and his friend went to a Tea Party rally in Tulsa. They were so disappointed. They said it was all commercial. Every speaker was there to plug a book and all the booths were trying to sell something. They were interested in the Tea Party but came to the conclusion it was just another way to sell stuff.

Posted by: rivermama | June 21, 2010 8:32 PM
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The whole "tea party" thing is just sad. It speaks to the extreme failure of our educational system. It is pointless to argue with them. They simply have no grasp of what is going on. You might as well debate a rock.

Posted by: Jihm | June 21, 2010 8:04 PM
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There're no specific, substantive ideas or positions from the tea baggers, it is just an angry mob who disagree even with each other. Cable "news" gave us this crowd, and keeps blowing life into them. By December they'll be a distant memory. Anyone elected as a tea bagger will toe the official Republican party line.

Posted by: tjconnor | June 21, 2010 7:48 PM
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The Tea Party is the most talked about and written about non-force in politics. It makes me thing maybe is really is a force. Do you think? And who the he11 is Raul Fernandez?

Posted by: hz9604 | June 21, 2010 6:07 PM
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I haven't lived in DC in over 5 years and even I know who Raul Fernandez is. If you look at the top of the page right under his name, you'll get a quick blurb on who he is.....assuming of course that actually took the time to read.

Posted by: 1fasthoo | June 21, 2010 7:42 PM
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All Tea Partiers are racists, and the Tea Party is about legitimized race-baiting, about greed, hatred, and the poverty of ideas on the extreme right. PERIOD.

Posted by: newdadchicago | June 21, 2010 7:12 PM
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@mil1 John Adams and Sam Adams were cousins, not brothers. Please check your facts before you post.

Posted by: greg225 | June 21, 2010 7:06 PM
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The parallels between the Know Nothings of 150+ years ago and the Tea Party today are striking. Let's hope that history following the doesn't repeat itself with the latter.

Posted by: pjs1965 | June 21, 2010 7:04 PM
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Isn't the TP movement really all about racism? The display at the capitol before the health care vote was very revealing about the disgusting prejudices these "normal folks" harbor

Posted by: staussfamily | June 21, 2010 6:55 PM
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So which "mob" is the TEA party--the one that taunted the soldiers in the Boston Massacre? Which was made up of everyday people--business men, apprentices, the average person on the street...or the Boston Tea party actors.

The first was a real mob acting on the moment and the British soldiers who shot into the crowd were defended by none other than John Adams. The second was a group who, although the "common man" had assembled because of a series of grievances and sought "justice". This group was led by none other than Sam Adams, John's brother.

The in the first mob action the soldiers were acquitted (six were and two were convicted of manslaughter for firing into the crowd deliberately). But the Crown recognized it should not have soldiers inside the city and moved them back to fortified posts (and resemblance to the Green Zone should to be assumed LOL).

The second mob action caused the Intolerable Acts i.e. the Crown thought the destruction of the cargo ($90,000 worth) could not go unpunished even though three wealthy Americans attempted to pay the cost. The Intolerable Acts closed the Port of Boston, altered the govt of Mass. and allowed Americans to be shipped to Britain for trial, enlarged the boundaries of Canada and allowed Roman Catholics to remain RC in these regions (any reflection on GITMO and the "Patriot Acts" is your imagination LOL).

So the first was just annoyance with govt and went away (or simmered for 5 years). The second---the beginning of the Revolution.

So again I ask--which "mob" are we discussing?

Posted by: mil1 | June 21, 2010 6:22 PM
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The Tea Party is the most talked about and written about non-force in politics. It makes me thing maybe is really is a force. Do you think? And who the he11 is Raul Fernandez?

Posted by: hz9604 | June 21, 2010 6:07 PM
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- This administration has looted our financial resources.
- This administration is hell bent on Nationalizing all businesses.
- This administration has declared war on free market capitalism.
- This administration has stolen the future of generations of Americans by running up unsustainable debt.
- This administration does not wish to do anything to protect our borders.
- This administration advocates OPEN borders.
- This administration has pulled off the largest land grab in history.

Posted by: fury60 | June 21, 2010 6:01 PM
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Call them a MOB if you must, but most are earnest hard-working citizens. The MOB that pushed Obama into office was made up of welfare deadbeats and ungrateful college kids blowing their Dad's money and their education. They were a little surprised and unhappy with what they got. Mobs do need to think things through a little more. No more T-shirts or slogans. Let's try some individual thinking before we vote. Both MOBS!

Posted by: jobhunter10 | June 21, 2010 5:35 PM
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Our betters are always ready to tell us what is in our best interest.

Posted by: gbooksdc | June 21, 2010 5:34 PM
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Tea bag oh tea bag, oh where do you roam?

To 1790, so far from my home!

Posted by: tarquinis1 | June 21, 2010 5:33 PM
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why are the tea partiers so interested in whiney liberal panties?

That's just sick

Posted by: barferio | June 21, 2010 5:30 PM
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A woman who wanted to protest higher taxes traveled Florida to spread her idea to others. I'm not aware of how the tea party evolved as a result; but I did recognize how it became a group for whites only. There was not a person of color in the party. They even threw things at a white man who was obviously physically handicapped because he did not agree with them. During a march in Washington, DC a member spit on a black congressman. The tea party has self destructed because of its own racist attitudes. At least republicans know not to let their true colors show all the time.

Posted by: skinfreak | June 21, 2010 5:27 PM
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The TEA PARTY sure has all the whiney liberals' panties tied up in knots. If the TEA PARTY has no other value than that, it is a national treasure.

Go TEA PARTY, GO!

Posted by: battleground51 | June 21, 2010 5:24 PM
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the tea partiers suffer from the same problem as the democrats - they are nowhere near as intelligent as they think they are.

They have only themselves to compare, since they never talk with anybody who doesn't already agree with with them.

It's like a kid in 12th grade, at the top of the school, going into college thinking he's still slicker than snot.

Reality is an unfamiliar place to these people.

Posted by: barferio | June 21, 2010 5:24 PM
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When Teaparty candidates who win local races find themselves exposed to the harsh light of the national media, they frequently don't look very good, especially when their previous statements, e.g. Sharron Engle, are dredged up. Contrary to the author, I don't expect many of them to win but I do expect them to cause great havoc within the GOP.

Posted by: ElinorMiller | June 21, 2010 5:18 PM
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It's only "sedition/treason" if you lose.

Posted by: TechConsultant | June 21, 2010 5:04 PM
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"Calling these ordinary citizens, voicing their legitimate concerns as to the direction our country is going, as a MOB, shows your bias and makes the rest of your comments irrelevant."

Well, if it looks like a duck... Absent some unifying principles and coordinated action on those principles, the TP is down the toilet. The showing of TP candidates in the primaries (the cannibalizing of one TP by another, the rush toward the GOP establishment among those who have won (Rand Paul and Sharron Angle), the basic disorganization... Without coordination there is no party working toward shared goals; it's a mob.

Posted by: JohnBrown08 | June 21, 2010 5:00 PM
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I believe that a splinter of people disagreeing with their core party and hoping to shape it's direction is actually quite healthy.

From my perspective the Tea Party has not really come to the table with much "reform" or serious reflection in mind. Rather than focusing on some of the reasons why the Right has failed to sell or implement some of it's ideological beliefs, they've instead just screamed those beliefs louder and louder (and angrier).

If they a business, my analogy would be sitting in a meeting with a couple of angry executives screaming "we need to sell more"... while others try to say "wait boss, the product doesn't work"... or "hey, maybe we need to do some marketing"... You get it. They are uninterested in the process... but love the purity of white-glove ideology. Sorry, government is all process.

Any wonder why Sarah Palin decided to resign from the governship, write books and give speeches? I have an idea. She's smart--- it's easier.

Posted by: Rickster623 | June 21, 2010 4:59 PM
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What's wrong with a movement protesting with signs like "NO PUBIC OPTION" or "Lets Keep The Tea - Dump the Polititions" or teabaggers attacking a Parkinson's Disease patient who was protesting?

One day we'll look back and laugh at the baggers.. heck, I am doing that right now!

Posted by: ANTGA | June 21, 2010 4:52 PM
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"You're not asking me to be principled, you are suggesting being stupid. I should not be surprised."

I'm certainly not asking for anything that doesn't come naturally to a conservative.

Posted by: biograph19851 | June 21, 2010 4:50 PM
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The tea party should strive to separate themselves from the GOP. Obivously, both the TPers and the GOP hate to pay taxes. The important differences show up when we look at the libertarian nature of the Teaparty. For example, Republicans tend to be christen, anti-abortion, anti-gay marraige. TPers are pro abortion, pro gay-marriage, and strongly support the separation of church and state as written in the constitution.


- TPers couldn't care less about religion

Posted by: teabag4ever | June 21, 2010 4:03 PM
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Ranting and raving against the government no matter which party holds the reins of power is a long standing tradition of American politics and necessary to democracy, but spouting innuendos of calls to revolution in a time of war is a threat to national security and should be seen for what it is... sedition and treason.

The Tea Party mainly appeals to the well educated rich determined to create and maintain a two tiered society and the lower middle class drop out illiterates led like hoodwinked cattle driven by a distorted sense of patriotism behind these rich Judas goats.

Posted by: HiloBob | June 21, 2010 4:01 PM
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@debchatterjee wrote: "So, basically bright minds in USA are going into professions that do not have the same social impact. "
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This is absolutely correct if you look at those students that exit high school and go on to a secondary education. These students usually go after a specialized discipline or the standard MA/MBA courses. That's great if you need a whole bunch of BA/MBA designates out looking for jobs.

Public schools, on the other hand, used to have basic skills education courses in high school. Boys could learn trades in wood shop, mechanics, auto body, fabrication, and accounting. These skills enabled any HS graduate to take home skills that would enable immediate employment. The low entry pay essentially put those young men to work that were not able to go on to higher education. Women were afforded basic accounting, typing and basic clerical training. It wasn't thrilling, but a girl could graduate and seek out employment if she wasn't able to go to college. We have nothing like this now. Just average low-wage service sector jobs without any real advancement potential. In short, throw-away jobs; not career defining or supporting.

If you don't go after that BS/MBA degree or get specialized in engineering or higher level skills from a reputable secondary university, you have nothing left but mediocre schools with massive debt for a sub-par education. I'm speaking of the inter-net and basic diploma mill institutions run for profit.

When do we recognize that not all children will go to college and return to basic skills training? Why not encourage the more critical needs disciplines and channel the students with this aptitude toward those studies and for those that are not headed to higher degrees a starting point in skills training that can give them immediate business opportunity?

Just wondering... Because while everything has gone into strafing the budgets of our educational institutions, the value of the dollars expended has eroded and wasted our investment with tragic consequences. That's depressing.

Posted by: JenAZ | June 21, 2010 3:53 PM
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Raul: The tea party movement will last long enough to see you pushing up daisies, my friend.

Posted by: richard36 | June 21, 2010 3:50 PM
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Liveride wrote:

"The Tea Party has a Clear Allegiance: The Rich, Oil and Coal"

Well, you could (?) be right. However it's also people habits fundamentally changing to reject such sources of energy.

The energy industry has not spent a fraction on R&D like the hi-tech companies in silicon valley did. It's costly and very expensive. Wind and solar would be very costly and expensive.

I recommend that you read the following CNN link written byu David Frum, who was assistant to George W. Bush in 2002. He explains it pragmatically.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/06/21/frum.oil.reality.check/index.html?hpt=C1

This article suggests that Government needs to raise taxes or make it very costly so as to discourage public from purchasing oil/coal and *simultaneously* make it *very* easy on wind, solar and nuclear power.

That might help, but clearly not doable under the present mindset of both Democrats and Republicans (or Tea Party folks).

Posted by: DebChatterjee | June 21, 2010 3:47 PM
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'quit kidding yourselves, ALL of the Tea Party candidates are running as Republicans.'

Surely this makes sense even for those tea party candidates who do not claim a party affiliation.

'Just because you think the Federal Government has no principles doesn't mean you have to sacrific your principles as well! A true Tea Partier isn't going to let the Feds prove they can buy and sell you. If you feel that FICA/Medicare is money stolen from you, it is your patriotic duty to take a principled stand and say, "You're not going to take my money and think you can return through social services and benefits to me! You can keep your ill-gotten gains!!"'

You're not asking me to be principled, you are suggesting being stupid. I should not be surprised.

Posted by: BobThompson | June 21, 2010 3:29 PM
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The Tea Party has a Clear Allegiance: The Rich, Oil and Coal

The Tea Party is fighting for what's best for Wall Street Criminals, for Oil and Coal Industry Negligence resulting in Deaths and Pollution, and the Policies that allow them to continue doing so Without Oversight or Regulation.

Why isn’t the Tea Party organizing and demonstrating against Industries causing the Deaths and Lost Livelihoods of Millions of Americans? Why aren't they protesting Lack of Regulation against Wall Street, Oil and Coal companies that are Killing People and caused the Financial Devastation of Millions of Americans? Why aren't they protesting against BP and Halliburton's Gross Negligence in the destruction of Multi-Billion dollar Tourism and Commercial Fishing Industries in the Gulf Coast Oil disaster?

Because the Companies Responsible is who Started, Fund and Direct Tea Party actions.

The primary funding sources for the Tea Party are two conservative groups:

“Americans for Prosperity” and “FreedomWorks”

which receive substantial funding from David Koch of Koch Industries, the largest privately-held energy company in the country, and the conservative Koch Family Foundations. Koch industries are responsible for hundreds of Oil spills spread over multiple states.

Posted by: liveride | June 21, 2010 3:18 PM
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Jenaz:

The situation you describe is indeed the case. The problem is with the attitude/habits of the present-day Americans. Easy access is what counts ...

To quip, I'll ask you and others (if they know) a question: the professional of a engineer or a doctor or a scientist has the potential to contributes maximally to the infrastructure of a country. By all accepted norms/knowledge, the MBA degree (business degrees) does NOT provide exactly that training. A business graduate is expected to *sell* products - that, say an engineer or a scientist would produce/design/help manafacture.

But, if you check out the statistics on CNN money, you shall find that a MBA degree holder makes roughly $30K more than an engineer/scientist. If what I wrote in the preceding paragraph makes sense, then why a MBA would have the potential of earning more than a engineer whose products or designs the MBA sells ? Why would the society have such distinctions ?

So, how do you convince your grandchildren to train for professional disciplines that in real terms pay less money than professional disciplines that are indeed far less rigorous ? (If you took a hard look at the curricula of a MBA degree program vs. a BS degree program in engineering at the same top school, you shall find out what I am stating here.) So, basically bright minds in USA are going into professions that do not have the same social impact. Selling stuff, management of a company are skills that are invaluable to generate $$$. But, do MBAs directly contribute to the infrastructure like a doctor or a scientist ? (individual exceptions always exist but the exceptions prove the rule.)

How can you change the socitey so that bright minds are inspired to pursue careers that have very long term impact ?

Posted by: DebChatterjee | June 21, 2010 3:11 PM
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The US Government is crucial to every American. The Tea Bagging mobs are not. Actually, the mobs as seen in Iran, are more thoughtful and freedom loving than the tea baggers.
The tea bagging mobs want anarchy, and a white anarchy at that. I killed a wasp in my pool yesterday and could not help thinking about getting rid of WASPs. Tea baggers or White Anglo Saxon Protestants.

Posted by: MikeQ2 | June 21, 2010 3:04 PM
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I wish these Tea Partiers would take up arms and try to "take this country back." I would love to see it! I would also love to see them brought to justice and locked up for the rest of their lives for high treason!

Posted by: ruthella10 | June 21, 2010 2:56 PM
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Two people responded to my earlier post that argues saying NO to government is both established in our Founding documents and a sensible thing when we are facing bankruptcy.

Both responses said essentially that saying NO to goverment was advocating revolution and denies Governmemt has any value.

One can say NO - nothing more - until we pare back the excessses and achieve stable finances, without advocating revolution or saying that Government has no role to play in our society.

Federal, State and local Governments combined take about 40% of the economy and that share is increasing. That is not sustainable.

One can say that is too much without advocating anarchy. How about 20% total?

Other posts denounce people who paid into Social Security their entire livescriticizing yet more Government programs. Guess what. The Government forcably took their money for 40 to 50 years, promised them something in return and now doesn't have money to pay it back. That same Government is currently promising more stuff to people who haven't pre-paid. Anyone outside Government doing that would go to jail. Is advocating that Government pay its debts before taking on new obligations that jepoardize refunding money to people who already paid for Social Security really hypocritical?

What we're facing is that Federal, State and local Governments have over promised and can't pay. Now everyone is fighting for position to be paid first before the whole system craters. This is what creditors of dead beats usually do.

Posted by: jfv123 | June 21, 2010 2:56 PM
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@debchatterjee wrote: "To demonstrate *continuous* technological excellence/superiority, USA must do two things in tandem: import skilled immigration, and, train its young to be qualified to stand up to the future challenges. The last one is not happening very well."
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This was exactly my point, Deb. I clearly stated that the diversity is a desired contributor in hiring of skilled legal immigrants; however, my question really had more to do with why we don't have well educated and qualified coming our of our own schools.

We have failed to keep investing in our children and the result is pretty shameful. We have functionally illiterate young adults that are unskilled and we don't have manufacturing jobs available to suitably employ these kids.

This is at the crux of my question. I have grandchildren and it concerns me greatly what they will be suitable for in 20 years. Without a good education, their future is fairly dim.

Posted by: JenAZ | June 21, 2010 2:53 PM
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Most people in this country are generally ignorant about United States and world history, as well as having a very short attention span or memory about recent current events. How many people remember Obama as a candidate strongly criticizing Clinton's individual mandate in her health care initiative and she having a temper tantrum during one of the mid-western primaries about his campaign supposedly distorting her position on the issue?

Yet Obama soon abandoned his position after taking the presidency. Anyway, the "tea party" will be, if anything, a minor footnote in the political history of this decade. The greatest likelihood is it will be gone within a year.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | June 21, 2010 2:53 PM
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Senor Fernandez,
The only MOBs I've seen are the socialist union thugs and La Raza (Aztan) groups demonstrating against freedom and liberties that everyday Americans demand (Tea Party group). It is NOT an official political party nor do we have an agenda such as the MOBs that you accuse Tea Party of BUT regular legal immigrants and citizens FIGHTING against your MOBs. Because there will come a day and a time when the MAJORITY of Americans will wake up and take back the country that we allowed MOBs to deteriorate our country to the point of almost no return! Then you will know the true meaning of a MOB!

Posted by: american17 | June 21, 2010 2:41 PM
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"The Tea Party is not the Reoublican (sic)Party. "

quit kidding yourselves, ALL of the Tea Party candidates are running as Republicans.

Posted by: vigor | June 21, 2010 2:31 PM
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No, MikeKohout, any true Tea Partier knows that it's not about whether abortion is murder, it's about the limit of the Federal Government's encroachment on our personal lives!! The Tea Party knows that abortion is a woman's decision, NOT the Federal Government's!!! Since the Tea Party wants to end gun laws, federal benefits and the income tax, do you really think they'd be so HYPOCRITICAL as to want the Federal Government deciding whether or not a woman can have an abortion?? What happened to freedom from Government?? WHERE'S YOUR PATRIOTISM, MAN?!?!?

Posted by: biograph19851 | June 21, 2010 2:24 PM
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"Why would I have paid into both these programs for all my working life (forced to do so by my friendly government) and then forego the benefits."

--Bobthompson

Just because you think the Federal Government has no principles doesn't mean you have to sacrific your principles as well! A true Tea Partier isn't going to let the Feds prove they can buy and sell you. If you feel that FICA/Medicare is money stolen from you, it is your patriotic duty to take a principled stand and say, "You're not going to take my money and think you can return through social services and benefits to me! You can keep your ill-gotten gains!!"

Jesus, Bob, what would Ronald Reagan do?

Posted by: biograph19851 | June 21, 2010 2:19 PM
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You thinkin' Mex DRUG/MURDER mobs? LaRasa racists mob, entitlement rip-offers mobs? All three? They need to get OUT of MY country! Comprende, invader?

Posted by: craigslsst | June 21, 2010 2:12 PM
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Bush and his gang so trashed the Republican brand, that people didn't want to be known as Republicans anymore.

We had a candidate for Governor here in WA in 2008 who refused to call himself Republican, even though he was a Republican.

"Tea party" is just another term for "Republican". They are Republicans who know the Republican party has failed, so they want to be called something else now.

Posted by: unitcaptain11 | June 21, 2010 2:03 PM
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the best news is i have not ever watched the matches of these teams. when shall we be able watch baseball and rugby teams?

Posted by: frankwithguest | June 21, 2010 1:44 PM
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To Jenaz:

USA is a land of immigrants. It started with Jamestown (1607), when wave of immigrants came in and then slowly BUILT this country. So, this history is always at the heart of this country's formation. Unlike all other countries, immigration is really what built America. (That probably included your ancestors too.) It's this sense of welcoming of immigrants who are poised to start all afresh and help build the infrastructure of their new adopted homeland.....

Well, it's been 400+ years since Jamestown. But, that collective memory has not been erased. (We remember them at our Thanksgiving dinners.) So, I think that welcoming immigrants to USA is a typical asset exclusive to USA. (Just like the First Amendment of the US Constituitionis an exclusive asset.)

Now after 400+ years, USA faces tough choices, given its current world status as technological superpower. Also, USA is a capitalist country with private enterpreneurship as the main economic driving force. The Stock market is what really drives the economy.

After 400+ years, if today USA gives the message out to the world that it cannot take in well-qualified immigrants aspiring to make it big into USA through hard work, then do you know what will happen ? The consumer confidence will take a nosedive. Why ? Because it will be implicit that USA is not the technical superpower anymore. Like it or not, that's an unstated factor which contributes to this US recession. You see most of the manafacturing jobs are going away to foreign lands. Why ? Because the companies (who are also to take the blame), cannot make profit. Unfortunately it is profit that drives capitalist society. So, a company wants to stuff inside USA but cannot IMMEDIATELY find well-qualified personnel to do the job at a "reasonable" price. (I know that in 1997 a PhD in Computer Science from MIT was asking 125 K/ year, for roughly the same quality of work that was done in Bangalore, India for $15 K/year.) This I am quoting from an IEEE Spectrum article that appeared in April 1997. See what I mean ?

Now, USA cannot afford to do the same job here at such exorbitant price differences. (Your company wouldn't either.) So, the flip side is that US trained engineers/scientists are highly costly.

My point is: while that is true, USA must *CONTINUOUSLY* search for excellence. That's the price you pay for adhering to a capitalist, consumer economy where regular cut-throat competition is the norm.

Now, would you suggest that USA places a moratorium on absorbing skilled immigration, for 20 years, adequately train qualified personnel for carrying out the infrastructure work locally, and then jump back again into the global economy ? This would imply USA go socialist for 20 years.

To demonstrate *continuous* technological excellence/superiority, USA must do two things in tandem: import skilled immigration, and, train its young to be qualified to stand up to the future challenges. The last one is not happening very well.

Posted by: DebChatterjee | June 21, 2010 1:34 PM
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As opposed to what? Being an outright RACIST! You are an IDIOT.

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I rest my case. Thank you for proving my point. Quite nicely, actually.

Posted by: etpietro | June 21, 2010 1:31 PM
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biograph19851 -
“Also, since there is such a libertarian bent to the Tea Party movement, I hope they join the movement to keep the government and the Supreme Court from telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies. A real libertarian would NEVER let the Federal Government prevent a woman from exercising her right to choose!”
This debate is very old. And yet, year after year, decade after decade, liberal ideologues never address the true claim of the “Pro-life” movement. It’s NOT about a woman’s right!

It’s whether or not you believe abortion is the murder of an innocent life? Is a fetus, a living entity worthy of protection? If the answer is “yes”, then your argument becomes moot. That is, no woman has the right to choose murder or the killing of innocent being. If her choice was strictly about personal health care and had no impact to another being – then she should be free to choose. So…please stop crying about a woman’s right to choose and argue the real question – Does abortion result in the killing of an innocent being?

Posted by: MikeKohout | June 21, 2010 1:12 PM
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'I'm no sure about claims of Tea Party "diversity." It's obviously all conservatives, whether Republicans, Libertarians or 'independants.' As for minute number of members who are Democrats, and believe those are the last vestiges of the Dixicrats.'

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A better speculation would be that the tea party movement has few liberals/progressives/statists or Obama supporters.

Posted by: BobThompson | June 21, 2010 1:09 PM
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'Still haven't heard the Tea Partiers calling for all recipients of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid to return their checks and forgo the benefits of these socialist programs.'

still haven't heard the liberals donating more money to the government than they are required to by law to support all the totally awesome benefits the government gives them. Owe 2k in taxes? Send 10k, the gov obviously turns it into 20k which you benefit from. This game is real easy to play.

Posted by: permagrin | June 21, 2010 1:09 PM
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It's quite expected: we now see anti-TP howlers on the loose !

Is that's what motivated Raul to write this short snippet ?

Raul, TP can survive, if nurtured correctly. It's a grassroots movement and is poised to take on big (Obama) government.

As a 50-year old, foreign-born, male, educated (have a PhD from a US university), moderate Republican, I hail this TP movement. As I wrote, Raul, the TPers should avoid religious diversions and stay focussed on the issues.

Leftism is the last bastion of scoundrels.

Posted by: DebChatterjee | June 21, 2010 1:08 PM
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@debchatterjee wrote: "3. His immigration policies are completely wrong headed, and could be disastrous on the long term. America needs immigrants who are educated and have skillsets that can help the country prosper technologically. USA needs doctors, scientsts, engineers, teachers, businessmen who directly contribute to the infrastructure."
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I do wholeheartedly agree, we do need educated and professional immigrants. There's always room for technical advancement through diverse opinions and experience.

What I want to know is, why should we be importing doctors, scientists, engineers, teachers, businessmen to directly contribute to the infrastructure? Why are we not educating our own children with the same qualifications? Why are we not providing the education to fill these many vacant positions? Anyone? Can you tell me why we invest so much in so many other countries and in our MIC adventures, but we can't invest in our own children and their education? Why is it we're satisfied to import H1B1 visas to do work that Americans can't do because we don't have educated students available to take those jobs? I'd like to know why we must do this.

Posted by: JenAZ | June 21, 2010 1:08 PM
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@etpietro

"Shouting racists...."

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As opposed to what? Being an outright RACIST! You are an IDIOT.

Posted by: cholly85241 | June 21, 2010 1:07 PM
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The tea baggers are imploding as we type. rand paul and angle have shown the American public at large what the tea baggers are al about. And that was plenty enough for the 95% who are sane to turn their backs on this fringe group of loonies. these loons are around all the time, it is just that the republicon party thought that if they threw a whole lot of money into gettting these groups together and giving them a platform it would be good for republicons. instead they are ripping the conservative party apart. Which is their patriotic duty. The more divided the republicons are the better for America.

Posted by: John1263 | June 21, 2010 1:06 PM
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Boy the teabagged sure are getting all uppity now that most folks think Obama is a complete and utter d0uchebag. How's them nuts tastin?

Posted by: permagrin | June 21, 2010 1:06 PM
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'Still haven't heard the Tea Partiers calling for all recipients of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid to return their checks and forgo the benefits of these socialist programs.'

Posted by: BIOGRAPH19851

I'm an opponent of the Social Security Program as well as Medicare. I participate in both and draw benefits from both. Why would I have paid into both these programs for all my working life (forced to do so by my friendly government) and then forego the benefits. I would do that if the government will return to me all of my contributions (and those of my employers) with appropriate compounded interest for the period that the government had use of the contributions. There is no contradiction or confusion here.

Posted by: BobThompson | June 21, 2010 1:04 PM
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You are spot on Raul Fernandez. TPers need to know why they oppose everything and to figure out what they want. Just NO is not enough to rally around or govern by. Similar fringe groups have come and gone. Remember the John Birch Society? This one is no different.

Posted by: voiceofreason24 | June 21, 2010 12:59 PM
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I'm no sure about claims of Tea Party "diversity." It's obviously all conservatives, whether Republicans, Libertarians or 'independants.' As for minute number of members who are Democrats, and believe those are the last vestiges of the Dixicrats.

Still haven't heard the Tea Partiers calling for all recipients of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid to return their checks and forgo the benefits of these socialist programs.

Also, since there is such a libertarian bent to the Tea Party movement, I hope they join the movement to keep the government and the Supreme Court from telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies. A real libertarian would NEVER let the Federal Government prevent a woman from exercising her right to choose!

Posted by: biograph19851 | June 21, 2010 12:48 PM
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Teapartiers are liars and hypocrites. No amount of right-wing spin changes that simple fact.

Posted by: raqualung | June 21, 2010 12:43 PM
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How does one get "compassion" out of a turnip, Deb?

Posted by: nunovyerbizness1 | June 21, 2010 12:35 PM
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Shouting "racist" at every turn is the measure of a small mind.

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Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Posted by: nunovyerbizness1 | June 21, 2010 12:34 PM
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Tea party is not a MOB. Raul J. Fernandez is spreading discredit for Tea Party. It is easy to start such a propaganda early.

But, having written the above I think it is equally true that Tea Party needs to focus on the following:

1. Loudly proclaim about President Obama's big deficit spending that has produced no jobs.

2. That his healthcare is basically enforced socialism: it will force me to pay much more and for those who do not have healthcare. I understand that compassion for fellow (illegal) citizens is good. But please do not force compassion out of me ! That's coercion not compassion.

3. His immigration policies are completely wrong headed, and could be disastrous on the long term. America needs immigrants who are educated and have skillsets that can help the country prosper technologically. USA needs doctors, scientsts, engineers, teachers, businessmen who directly contribute to the infrastructure.

Foreign nationals who would desire to come to USA and for gainful employment and for making the American dream, should be able to demonstrate their skills and loyalty. Thus, normal foreign students coming to USA and getting a MS or PhD in technical areas from a recognized US university must get the top preference in immigration and jobs. Thus, modify immigration laws to allow these foreign nationals after a rapid yet adequate background check to get Green cards or appropriate work visas.

Canada has such a policy, and look they are better off in some respects other than the higher taxes and bureaucratic health care. Qualified foreign nationals prefer to move there, despite the two drawbacks.

These are three issues that the Tea Party candidates should dwell on, regardless of being Republican or Democrat.

If Tea Party candidates seek endorsement from Sarah Palin, who also has skeletons in her closet (when she speaks on family values), then the narrative changes unfavorably for Tea Party endorsed candidates. Governor Sarah Palin has been viciously attacked on the media for right and (mostly) wrong reasons, but few of them (particularly family values) could be made to appear to stick. (Think of Bristol Palin and her giving birth to a male child born out of wedlock.) Note that I am NOT supporting abortion in any form whatsoever.

Tea Party: please avoid such mistakes before the November 2010 elections. Focus on issues that can bring back the classic American values of individuality, economic growth and small government. (Religion and family values appear bigoted to voters.)

Posted by: DebChatterjee | June 21, 2010 12:32 PM
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Two observations…

"Saying ‘No’ is not a long-term strategy. Being against something as a long-term strategy has very limited upside in any organization."

This is laughable. When it comes to the tougher issues of the day, such as the war on terrorism and solving economic strife; this is the liberal MO. They never offer answers, just unfounded criticism.

Second - the Washington Post and other liberal media outlets spend an awful lot of time and energy analyzing the Tea-Party and its supporters. I find this interesting since the Tea-Party is a political movement that just "won't last".

Posted by: MikeKohout | June 21, 2010 12:24 PM
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Shouting "racist" at every turn is the measure of a small mind.

Plenty of those to go around in the Washington Post community, it seems.

Posted by: etpietro | June 21, 2010 12:18 PM
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“If Obama is the answer it must have been a real stupid question”

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It was and the answer to it was obvious:

"What is the lesser of two evils? Obama or four or possibly eight more years of neocon greed, hypocrisy and intolerance with McSame and his darling of Huckabee "Christians" everywhere, the dim bulb Annie Oakley of the North?"

Posted by: areyousaying | June 21, 2010 12:13 PM
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Obama gets no credit from loons like VATOWNSEND for trying to clean up after eight long years of GOP corruption and incompetence. The Teaparty is full of loons, loving everything that Cheney and Bush did (see below), including turning record budget surpluses into historic budget deficits. Despicable loons, liars and in many cases, racists.

Posted by: raqualung | June 21, 2010 12:12 PM
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You say you are against the ability of government to "control". Where do you stand on the issue of reproductive choice? Are you in favor of allowing individuals to decide for themselves or do you want the government to control only those things of which you disapprove?

Posted by: nunovyerbizness1 | June 21, 2010 12:11 PM
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'The teabaggers are nothing more than the GOP base made crazy by the election of a black Democrat. They are the racist face of that base throwing a temper tantrum, not some credible political mmovement.

Their bigotry is what drives their rage, not fiscal irresponsibility or vague references to their "freedom".

Just listen to their screed about taking their country back. Taking it back? From whom, the democratically, constitutionally elected Obama?

What frauds, bigots and hypocrites. It's time the media stopped pretending they are anyhting else.'

No support for this name calling. One can always dig and find some action or inaction to point to in an attempt to support an unfounded conclusion. This is not a thought and analysis process but a refusal to look at facts. President Obama was duly elected. If you are looking for a hypocrite just look at the openness and transparency he promised and what we have gotten. Many actions taken by the Congress and supported by Obama are of questionable constitutionality, but neither they nor he bats an eye.

Tea Party is more a concept to support than an institution like a political party. Many tea party supporters were very opposed to the spending that took place under Bush. Think just a small bit and drop the name-calling.

Posted by: BobThompson | June 21, 2010 12:11 PM
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It is rather simple to understand why liberals/progressive/statists say what they say about common everyday Americans that make up the Tea Party movement, but before I comment on how simple it really is let me add that those who make up the movement are NOT only conservatives, republicans it is much more than that. I’ve spoken to many at Tea Party rallies and many have proclaimed to be democrat, republican, conservative, libertarian, moderate and even no political affiliation at all.

It is rather funny that individuals like TOC59 and his/her comment in this string of “GOP base made crazy by the election of a black democrat”. TOC69 it is individuals like yourself that show the ugly side of racism, thank you for pointing it out for all of us.

It’s rather easy to say the word bigot/bigotry when you are one yourself and thanks again TOC59 for pointing this out for us again.

Yes we are taking our country back TOC59, our “screed” is exactly the “screed” you liberals had while Bush was in office except this time there’s meat on the bone, we have specific examples, real world examples of why our freedom and our economy is in peril. I would point them out line by line but I don’t have enough time or space but I’ll start here. 867 BILLION DOLLARS for “stimulus”, much to save or create jobs and keep the unemployment rate (nation wide) below 8%, WRONG! It increased to 10% or better in some cities. Spent money our grandchildren haven’t even earned yet. GET IT TOC59?

We aren’t taking our country back from OBAMA, believe me TOC59 it isn’t about him alone, he just so happens to be the statists’ mouth piece, it is all about Freedom, Liberty, responsibility, ALL AMERICANS desire and the statist desires to take away, CONTROL.

“If Obama is the answer it must have been a real stupid question”

Posted by: vatownsend | June 21, 2010 12:06 PM
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"Where was the Teaparty when W started 2 UNFUNDED wars, passed a totally UNFUNDED entitlement known as Medicare Part D, cut taxes on millionaires driving up our debt, illegally tapping our phone calls and torturing (sometimes innocent) people (sometimes to death?). They weren't worried about limiting government then, were they? And a recent poll found most of the baggers nostalgic for the Bush/Cheney administration. They are liars and hypocrites all!"
Exactly, and where were all the republicans before Lincoln? Oh sure, there come out strong against slavery when Lincoln was president, but where were they all those years beforehand? what a bunch of hypocrites!! And where were all the greeks back before democracy? where were they? It's like they just decided to take a stand at some point in time instead of at the beginning of time, hypocrites!!!!

You cannot read, can you? A MAJORITY of teabaggers want Bush BACK! Taking a stand my arse! What stand are they taking????

Posted by: raqualung | June 21, 2010 11:52 AM
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and unions are not mobs???? remember the nazis were a progressive socialist movement just like the thug unions are nowadays

Posted by: alecsandertheg8 | June 21, 2010 11:43 AM
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dear Entrepreneuro,

is Your Time Table according to 365 DAys around the Sun, Louise, Jupiter, MArs, Michael, Asteroid Belt, SAturn, NEptune, Nibiru, Sirius, Orion, Andromeda, Arcturius, SyllabusMArianum, CheeristAnthemum?

i just want to determine what have entered into Your Nerves, Entrepreneuro? You are in the League and You seem to be a forward person, as precise as i see.

Posted by: frankwithguest | June 21, 2010 11:33 AM
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Hey a Wapo Hack called the Teaparty a Mob! Holy mother of God, that is stunning!

Posted by: skscottkeyes | June 21, 2010 11:29 AM
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arer there any vuvuzelas around?

Posted by: frankwithguest | June 21, 2010 11:25 AM
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The teabaggers are nothing more than the GOP base made crazy by the election of a black Democrat. They are the racist face of that base throwing a temper tantrum, not some credible political mmovement.

Their bigotry is what drives their rage, not fiscal irresponsibility or vague references to their "freedom".

Just listen to their screed about taking their country back. Taking it back? From whom, the democratically, constitutionally elected Obama?

What frauds, bigots and hypocrites. It's time the media stopped pretending they are anyhting else.

Posted by: toc59 | June 21, 2010 11:24 AM
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i just want to know about the "noise", Entrepreneuro, how You have mentioned as i have yesterday.

Posted by: frankwithguest | June 21, 2010 11:24 AM
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When the economy Bush drove into the tank, turns around, the Tea Party will disappear. The "anti-government" thrust of the tea party is based on the fact that they believe their pocket books are being threatened. Once that threat disappears, the "tea party"will disappear and they will be back urging tax cuts for the wealthy, and increased government spending like they did during Bush's 8 years in office.

Posted by: rclab | June 21, 2010 11:24 AM
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according to origins of names,

RAul is "Council of Wolves", if Times tells from the Currency of Wine Traders.

Fernandez is "adventurer, bold voyager" if Time tells from the Currency of St Germain.

Fernandez is "friend of god", if Time tells from the Currency of Ezekiel.

Posted by: frankwithguest | June 21, 2010 11:22 AM
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The teetotalers have done very well for themselves. People should not make fun of them. It's like making fun of Trekies and the mentally challenged-- it is just plain wrong.

Posted by: jb777 | June 21, 2010 11:20 AM
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The teetotalers have done very well for themselves. People should not make fun of them. It's like making fun of Trekies and the mentally challenged-- it is just plan wrong.

Posted by: jb777 | June 21, 2010 11:19 AM
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"Where was the Teaparty when W started 2 UNFUNDED wars, passed a totally UNFUNDED entitlement known as Medicare Part D, cut taxes on millionaires driving up our debt, illegally tapping our phone calls and torturing (sometimes innocent) people (sometimes to death?). They weren't worried about limiting government then, were they? And a recent poll found most of the baggers nostalgic for the Bush/Cheney administration. They are liars and hypocrites all!"

Exactly, and where were all the republicans before Lincoln? Oh sure, there come out strong against slavery when Lincoln was president, but where were they all those years beforehand? what a bunch of hypocrites!! And where were all the greeks back before democracy? where were they? It's like they just decided to take a stand at some point in time instead of at the beginning of time, hypocrites!!!!

Posted by: permagrin | June 21, 2010 11:09 AM
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This is not a mob. Shame on you. The Tea Party represents people from all parties and all walks of life. It is just a gathering of awakened citizens who see members of both parties in the past have lost their way and are bankrupting the nation and the Democrats have lied and bribed us into a road toward socialization. They are horrified at the corruption and passing laws they have not even read. Suing Arizona another wrong step, like H Care Obama is on the wrong side of what the majority of us want. On another note. If Obama had been white he never would have been elected for lack of any experience what so ever for the job leading the nation. His community organizer mind and teleprompter pulled the wool over the eyes of those who believed him. Now that they see he is incompetent they are turning away including the feckless MSM who never vetted him.

Posted by: katie6 | June 21, 2010 11:08 AM
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"Without government, to whom would you turn if your own personal liberty were threatened by either a private force or another governmental force?"

Strawmen are really really easy to beat down aren't they? A) Pretend your adversary said something they didn't, e.g., there should be no government, and then B) point out how crazy that thing they never said is. or is that nuance?

Posted by: permagrin | June 21, 2010 11:04 AM
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'What is the Tea Parties strategy for creating Fiscal Responsibility and Limited government? Are they planning to raise taxes? If not, what programs do they want to cut?'

This is too easy. I'll give you just one to start. Stop the silliness with legislation such as that proposed in s 3194. Several states are already in bankruptcy from allowing collective bargaining for pay and pensions by state employees who have a monopoly on the services they are asked to provide. So this would be equivalent to extortion. Federal government legislation on such matters is unconstitutional.

Posted by: BobThompson | June 21, 2010 11:02 AM
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Jaxas70, its not about an election result of a political view..... its about the actions of our political leaders.

Their election platform painted a rosy picture of recovery that was not built on anything concrete.... just "hope." And now as the rubber has hit the road, we see that the measures that Obama and the Congressional leaders have put in place is just government spending run amok. Healthcare reform was not about improving the system in this country... it was about consolidating power into a central source. Also, remember how all the democrats proclaimed that healthcare reform would reduce the deficit?? Its just a bunch of lies from politicians you and many other WaPo acolytes routinely defend. Every independent review of the healthcare bill says this will put us further and further into debt.
This kind of lunacy by elected officials is what drives Americans to stand up and make themselves heard.

Posted by: alutz08 | June 21, 2010 10:58 AM
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One other point JFV123: Without government, to whom would you turn if your own personal liberty were threatened by either a private force or another governmental force? It is easy to always frame arguments with our own government being the enemy. Conservatives always do that when our government is in the hands of a political party conservatives are opposed to. But the reality is, government is who we turn to when we have a grievance. And with government--law enforcement, courts, etc.--our freedoms and rights would be hollow and it would amount to the law of the jungle.

Posted by: jaxas70 | June 21, 2010 10:56 AM
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JFV123, I doubt most Americans would accept your version of saying NO. Look. Indeed, at our founding, the protection of individual freedoms and rights was paramount in the minds of our Founding Fathers. And at that time, it was an oppressive government that was threatening the rights and freedoms of the Colonists. But, the legitmately elected government of the United States of America is not threatening those rights and freedoms today as you seem to suggest.

Look. I put it to you: If you actually believe that the Obama government is a tyranny on a par with the old British Crown under King George, you have a perfectly legitimate avenue for having that grievance dealt with. You must know that there is a loyal opposition that can bring an Impeachment proceeding against the President if they actually believe and can bring evidence of High Treason against him.

Our Founding Fathers wisely place in the Constitution provisions for such removal from office. What you are suggesting is real treason. You suggest that if someone holds office who does not have political opinions that do not have your approval, that is grounds for a revolution, a rebellion against the government. Not only that, it is the pinnacle of arrogance and hubris to assume that simply because an election did not turn out to your liking that is grounds for violent rebellion.

Posted by: jaxas70 | June 21, 2010 10:43 AM
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It seems that Mongo's comments are more representative of his/her racial biases. Keep in mind that before Obama was elected to office, alot of the same people were against Bush & Congress Tarp bailouts, myself included.
I think moe needs to look in the mirror a little more before spewing hate filled comments all over this board.

Posted by: alutz08 | June 21, 2010 10:42 AM
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The Tea Party is not important. What it represents, Americans waking up to the realities of too big government, is!

Posted by: carlbatey | June 21, 2010 10:42 AM
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What is Christian1941 talking about? Just another right-wing fear monger, I guess.

Posted by: raqualung | June 21, 2010 10:38 AM
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What an insubstantial, unimaginative post by Raul Fernandez. He may be a successful sports-team owner, but he's a political goof.

Stick to what you know, brother.

Posted by: DaveinVA | June 21, 2010 10:38 AM
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Tea baggers is just another name for racist bigot. If Obama had been Lilly white, they would not be around. These people are the worst this country has, just a bunch of ratty, dirty, ignorant and racist white people who have found that they have friends in America. People just like them, who are ignorant, fearful, hopeless and shabby. Shabby in mind and body.

Posted by: moemongo | June 21, 2010 10:37 AM
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Why is it that the Tea Party folks or conservatives get blamed for rioting when the only rioting that ever occurs is when progressive/left/Dems get together in the streets?

Of course the MSM doesn't give a lot of attention to those lefties rioting but you can find the info on the Internet.

I'm not afraid of conservatives or the Tea Party folks but progressives/libs/Dems do make me nervous because I have seen how they riot and the damage (both to humans and property) they cause.

Be afraid America, be very afraid!!

Posted by: Christian1941 | June 21, 2010 10:36 AM
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Whineridentifier, the vast majority of Americans willingly pay taxes. We may disagree with the fairness, equity and extent of the taxes we pay but trust me, most of us understand the need for taxes.

The problem I have with people like you is that you tend to preach. You never tell us what or who's taxes you propose to cut, or what spending programs should be eliminated. You never explain in any comprehensible way what you mean when you uses the words "liberty", "freedom" of "traditional American values". You sound just like all of those fundamentalist religious types who tell us we are going to hell if we don't accept their narrow little religious belief system.

Posted by: jaxas70 | June 21, 2010 10:30 AM
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The Tea Party arose because the Republican Party no longer had any credibility. The party needs to return to Eisenhower Republicanism not Reagan/Bush.

The conflicting ideological narratives, like supporting individual rights while championing the intrusive social influences of conservative religions, or wrapping themselves in the Constituion while blatantly ignoring it when it suited their purpose, etc. caught up with them.

The Tea Party identifies the Democrats as their enemy, but in reality their ideological opposites are in the Republican Party. Letting Sarah Palin run in front of their parade was the biggest mistake they could make, as she is the poster girl for what is wrong with the mainstream Republican Party. (Drill Baby Drill!)

Posted by: MHawke | June 21, 2010 10:30 AM
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"Saying NO is not a long-term stategy."

What a ridiculous statement.

The Declaration of Independence was saying NO.
NO we will not put up with British rule.

The Bill of Rights was Saying NO.
NO the Government cannot abridge our rights as free people.

People who refused to borrow to buy houses too big for their budgets said NO. The people who said YES, are the ones out on the street.

NO is a very valuable survival tool in difficult times.

YES works in an easy world.

We are facing difficult times for a LONG time.

Get used to the Power of NO - the life you save may be your own.

Posted by: jfv123 | June 21, 2010 10:27 AM
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may i call You as Entrepreneuro, within Linguistics?

Posted by: frankwithguest | June 21, 2010 10:25 AM
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Awwww!

Well, maybe one of them will go psycho and use his automatic rifle to shoot up a bunch of his tea party cohorts before it all ends!

We can only hope!

Posted by: trenda | June 21, 2010 10:24 AM
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"Mobs" means "non-DemocRATS".

Posted by: shel_zahav | June 21, 2010 10:23 AM
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"Where was the Teaparty when W started 2 UNFUNDED wars, passed a totally UNFUNDED entitlement known as Medicare Part D, cut taxes on millionaires driving up our debt, illegally tapping our phone calls and torturing (sometimes innocent) people (sometimes to death?). They weren't worried about limiting government then, were they? And a recent poll found most of the baggers nostalgic for the Bush/Cheney administration. They are liars and hypocrites all!"

Right. They are just a bunch of phony, disgruntled conservatives looking for attention. They have a dearth of "ideas", or actually none to be exact. Just look at their moronic leaders, palin, beck, limbaugh, et al.

Posted by: mtravali | June 21, 2010 10:23 AM
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Look, the media need a dose of reality here. There is no such thing as a tea "party". True political movements have the courage to actually divorce themselves from their former political party and set about forming a new party. That involves a great deal of hard work. First of all, you have to declare. The so called tea party has not been willing to do that. Then you have to set about the hard work of actually forming a legitimate political party and that takes numbers. You have to have sufficient numbers to gain ballot access.

The truth here is that the tea party is no different than say, the Black Caucus. Everyone knows that the Black Caucus are democrats. And everyone knows that the tea party activists are republicans. You can't be a new political movement and still be part of one of the two major parties.

Note that every tea party candidate running for any office is running on the republican ticket.

Posted by: jaxas70 | June 21, 2010 10:22 AM
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There is a Teabagger rally in my town July 1st. I wonder how I will be welcomed with my Obama T-shirt and my SKS over my shoulder.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | June 21, 2010 10:20 AM
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hello, Entrepreneur, greetings to You.

congratulations for You have given a Colleague of Yours to Sweden as the King, amongst choices from Wizards and Mystics.

Posted by: frankwithguest | June 21, 2010 10:18 AM
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Maybe the Tea Party 'movement' should embrace its own factional nature? So what if they run multiple rival candidates who wind up hating each other by election day. That's anti-establishmentism at its best. Just say 'Vote for one of us. The others are all commies.'

Posted by: SoCal | June 21, 2010 10:17 AM
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adrienne_najjar wrote
Today I saw a "Palin 2012" bumper sticker...

Adrienne: Just be thankful you were behind them. It's dangerous to be in front of someone that delusional.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | June 21, 2010 10:17 AM
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Where was the Teaparty when W started 2 UNFUNDED wars, passed a totally UNFUNDED entitlement known as Medicare Part D, cut taxes on millionaires driving up our debt, illegally tapping our phone calls and torturing (sometimes innocent) people (sometimes to death?). They weren't worried about limiting government then, were they? And a recent poll found most of the baggers nostalgic for the Bush/Cheney administration. They are liars and hypocrites all!

Posted by: raqualung | June 21, 2010 10:15 AM
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A new political movement must have innovative ideas, which the Tea Party has none. Advocating "strict adherence" to the Constitution is not an innovative idea, it is proselytizing like a Jehovah's Witness. As Americans we do not strictly adhere to anything. Based on perusing their website it looks to me like a band of disgruntled conservatives mad at their own party for a lack of spending restraint. I did not find one idea regarding the economy that I feel has lasting merit. At some point you have to develop a coherent plan to perpetuate.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | June 21, 2010 10:10 AM
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It seems they (Tea Party) have at least gotten your attention. Remember what the original tea party in Boston was about. It was a mob demonstration against the tax England imposed on Americans. Still fit's today; but it's our own government that's imposing the taxes.

Posted by: whineridentifier | June 21, 2010 10:09 AM
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The tea party is so dead and ineffective that what is needed is countless lame articles about how dead and ineffective it is. The topic should be discussed on beltway talk shows, in magazines, and in papers. We even have politicians opining on the topic. And all should lead with a genius cliche such as "saying no is not a long term strategy". Did you make that one up yourself Raul, it sounds similar to the other 5 millions times I've heard it when the dead tea party is discussed ad nauseum by those most threatened by it.

Posted by: permagrin | June 21, 2010 10:04 AM
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The Democratic Party is the "wisdom of mobs" and that has lasted.

Next election, expect to see hordes of incumbents looking for new jobs.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | June 21, 2010 9:57 AM
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I wonder if we'll still be hearing about the imminent demise of the Tea party in 20 years.

Posted by: FrancisMacomber | June 21, 2010 9:53 AM
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TRIDENT420 ~ May and August 2009 ~ Hmm. I thought that's when they started up ~ and you lost faith in them instantly.

I'd suggest they are not, as it were, your cup of tea.

I think it was some time about May or August of 1962 or thereabouts when a bunch of American "advisors" got shot up in the Nam that I lost faith in the Democrat Congress.

Subsequent history has demonstrated that my thoughts on the matter were INFALIBLE.

Your thoughts may also be infalible, but not likely. The Tea Party is hardly a large political movement ~ not even the size of the Leftwingtard deal and yet they are only 15% and are dropping fast as people see the emptiness of their offerings and the daggars they keep barely concealed just behind their backs.

Given a choice I think we are much better off without the Leftwingtards than the Tea Party folks.

Posted by: muawiyah | June 21, 2010 9:53 AM
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The "Tea Party" will prove to be a "flash in the pan" and an albatross around neck of the Republican Party.

The GOP appears to be giving into their "your'e either with us or against us" dogma.

This 79 year old life long Republican is against them and will not support nor vote for Rand Paul who proudly proclaims that he is the Tea Party candidate for the Senate in the upcoming election.

Posted by: WESHS49 | June 21, 2010 9:51 AM
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Based on what I have read the "Tea Party" movement was funded by health industry lobbies, the lobbiest funding stopped as soon as they no longer needed the noise, so the tea party express bus has run out of gas.

Posted by: frayedcat | June 21, 2010 9:48 AM
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I have watched the Tea Party movement with great interest from the start. At some point between May and August 2009, the movement lost all legitimacy with me. It became an aside, a comedy show to tune into. Political movements are what you are for, not what you are against. Mob style populism is so simple a child can accomplish it. Real leadership with real leaders that push positive issues requires intelligence, drive and the will to succeed. The Tea Party is a group of people hellbent on letting everyone know how p-o'ed they are. About what... changes from person to person. Verbally airing out your grievances is the first step in the healing process. This recession has touched us all, predominantly for the worse. Allowing people to have the chance to rabble without worrying about relevancy or accuracy may make them feel better, but does not a legitimate political movement make.

Posted by: trident420 | June 21, 2010 9:38 AM
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I think the existing crop of politicians in both parties will provide fuel for the Tea Party people for years to come. Corruption and deception will always draw the wrath of the people.

Posted by: richard36 | June 21, 2010 9:36 AM
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Today I saw a "Palin 2012" bumper sticker - I'd love to meet the guy who drives that car, just to so I can look into the eyes of idiocy to see the back of his head from the inside.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | June 21, 2010 9:27 AM
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Good God, now a sport's team owner, is considered an expert on the Tea Party. Get ready, folks, WaPo is pulling out all the stops for November.

Posted by: bethg1841 | June 21, 2010 9:21 AM
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Both the Democrats and Republicans have spent us into a debt situation which is unsustainable. Congress continues to reach more and more into our everyday lives, trying to legislate away everything which they deem imperfect. The Tea Party has come along and said enough is enough. They promote fiscal responsibility and a reduced Federal impact focusing on the use of our foundation, the Constitution. We need to take a long look at what the Democrats and Republicans have done to our situation. The Tea Party is forcing them to do so.

Posted by: bobbo2 | June 21, 2010 9:18 AM
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The Tea Party movement, whether you agree or disagree, is Democracy in action...

Yes, the movement may lose steam, wither, and disappear in the future, but that is not likely as long as the ruling party in Washington continues to spend like drunken sailors in a bawdy house and then claim the deficit is because the citizenry does not pay enough taxes...
It looks like the Tea Party has a promising future...

dr. o

Posted by: ad4hk2004 | June 21, 2010 9:14 AM
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Actually "no" is a long term strategy in so far as every decision is one of benefits versus the costs. If the costs are too high, or these days, the benefits non-existant then "no" is a very good answer.

That's what we get these days, lot's of the usual "let's spend money on this, it's a good idea" (Usually the speaker's constituency, Murtha's airports anyone?) without detailing how this will create wealth in the future. Methanol production, grants to "community organizers" Submarines to be built in Connecticut, stimulus money that goes to Labor Unions...

"No" can be very good answer.

Posted by: jhtlag1 | June 21, 2010 9:11 AM
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Why is the GOP so afraid of the Voice of the people?

Posted by: walker1 | June 21, 2010 9:10 AM
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The Tea Partiers -- or Teetotalers, as they like to be called -- are already on the tail end of thier 15minutes of fame. The republicans drummed up this movement to make the seem relevant. Now the TPers have become and annoyance to the GOP, so the GOP has already begun to dismantle them.

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The GOP will see to it that Glen Beck will find himself emeshed in scandal before summer's end. Then the whole tea party will come crasing down like the house of cards it truly is.

Posted by: jb777 | June 21, 2010 9:10 AM
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"The long-term longevity of this movement..."

A fine example of the level of education of liberal idiots. Next time you wish upon a star for the demise of the Tea Party, Raul, try not to sound like a moron.

Posted by: NoWayNotNow | June 21, 2010 9:03 AM
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..."You mean/Republicans/Party of NO won't last tea party same thing/Republicans is a joke and the whole country has known it for quite some time...

..."Throw the Republicans out America, they certainly have thrown you out, losing a record 8.5 Million jobs, and leaving you a record DEBT/BILL/$1.5 TRILLION!

Wow America have the Republicans RUINED YOU BUT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!

..."APPRECIATE IT!

Posted by: ztcb41 | June 21, 2010 9:02 AM
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Dick Armey and FOX news worked hard to get the Tea Party started; Armey likes to take credit. And he and his group sure worked at it. Somehow I got on the email list - a definite error. The bunch that came through Dallas was offensive - bullying, carrying racist signs, loud, disrespectful even to thier own. They exhibited more misinformation if not downright lies and just plain ignorance. They can't even quote the constitution right.

Posted by: withersb | June 21, 2010 9:02 AM
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The resilience of public opinion numbers supporting Obama despite the "wall of noise" thrown up by the teapartiers and other conservatives show that the public isn't buying into either the radical libertarianism or that the movement is not motivated by racial animus. When you own the airwaves but nobody's falling for your propaganda you're not in good shape...

Posted by: razzl | June 21, 2010 9:01 AM
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PLEASE_FIX_VAS_ROADS ~ the Tea Party Movement didn't begin until it was called for by CNBC (not FOX).

It didn't exist at all during the Bush years.

Lots of Leftwingtards are prone to accuse the Tea Party folks of being old fogies who are just one step away from serious dementia, but it appears many of their critics are already at Stage One Alzheimers ~ which is why they can't recall the recent history.

Posted by: muawiyah | June 21, 2010 8:46 AM
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The Tea Party is not the Reoublican Party. Its Americans who just want justice. Because of lack of transparency and the media that has dumbed us down, most Americnas are not fluent in the issues like all of the talk show hosts who try to mold and shape opinions to the corporate left rigth mode. But they do know right from wrong even if they dont know left rom right. If you only knew what you were talking about dear author,the american people are shich, sick and tired of "leaders". That only makes them followers. americans want seervants as in public servants, those who serve the public rather than themselves as our "leaders" currently do. The Two parties are preened off becuae there is another party in town and they are not invited to it.

Posted by: caa301 | June 21, 2010 8:45 AM
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Hey everyone! Just keep pointing out the things the Tea Party is doing wrong, and what it needs to implement. Give them another year or two of that and they'll no longer be the party of "NO"; they be the party of "Not this same tired old failures, but this newer, better approach instead!"

Posted by: mhoust | June 21, 2010 8:37 AM
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The "tea"party didn't seem to mind government spending when Bush was spending $12 billion per month on a couple of bullsh|t wars in the middle east. And I don't think i heard republican complaints when he tried to take Social Security and spend it in the stock market (yeah, that's not government overreach right there).

I guess it's lucky for these oldfart tea partiers that he didn't get his wish there, isn't it?

Republicans are the exact same moneywh0res that the democrats are. Except they'll get your kid killed in some contrived war over oil or ideology while they spend all your money.

Posted by: Please_Fix_VAs_Roads | June 21, 2010 8:29 AM
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The Tea Party is fake astro-turf movement funded by the wealthy Koch family - founders of the American Enterprise Institute and advertised by Fox News. They scream about high taxes but fail to acknowledge that we have the lowest taxes for the middle class for years.

As a registered Democrat I LOVE the tea-party as I watch them fracture and marginalize the GOP with their fringe rhetoric and angry thinly veiled racism.

There are a number of reasons why the Dems have raised about three times as much for the next election cycle and the tea party is one of major reasons

Posted by: ChicagoSteve | June 21, 2010 8:09 AM
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The 'tea party' is nothing but a disorganized mess which most people---even those inside the group---don't take seriously.

They should not be proclaiming 'victory' just because a few of them 'won' a primary election. The big one is yet to come, and they're still the underdogs (*not the Under God(s)*) God hasn't given them the jobs yet.

Posted by: momof20yo | June 21, 2010 8:04 AM
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Mob huh? Been smack in the middle of those mobs on almost every occasion I could manage it. I've seen more hostility at a church picnic. Clean, well behaved, following the letter of the law even when the Capital Police change the rules at the last minute.
Can you say the same for just about any left wing gathering?
Bring me a team you have the slightest notion will win a game and I might take you more seriously.

Posted by: theduck6 | June 21, 2010 7:57 AM
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THEBUMP
"As for the head-scratching assertion that "no" is not a long-term strategy — head-scratching inasmuch as any proposition can be stated either affirmatively or negatively: Tea partiers give a full-throated YES to individual liberty, fiscal responsibility and limited gummint — foundational American values."

Ok, I'll bite.

What is the Tea Parties strategy for creating Fiscal Responsibility and Limited government? Are they planning to raise taxes? If not, what programs do they want to cut?

Posted by: Megaduck | June 21, 2010 7:45 AM
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Be honest now! Big government, liberal, Obamamites are hoping against hope that the TEA PARTY does not last. Just like RUSH LIMBAUGH hopes that Barack H. Obama fails, Obama liberals want the TEA PARTY to fail.

Obama is failing. When he is known as the "one term wonder" in 2013, the need for the TEA PARTY will be no more. After that, the TEA PARTY just may fade away, like an old soldier.

Posted by: battleground51 | June 21, 2010 7:45 AM
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Nor will print newspapers without newsmakers like "teaparties." Your common sense has failed you (again) and your bias has replaced it. Recall history, and you will learn something about people when they get angry and form entities that represent their concerns. You have mistakenly judged formations of angry people as simply being "mobs." You are wrong and arrogant to boot. These are citizens like many people you know who are fed up with Obama, overspending, a very bad economy, and a Congress that is too liberal and far too selfish. Better look in a mirror, cause you will see another average, albiet misguided liberal newspaper writer.

Posted by: macmanchas | June 21, 2010 7:44 AM
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Wisdom of Mobs. This guy needs to look at the liberal extremist Democrat Party. Unions, mass ignorant voting blocks, racist voting blocks, mobs of violent law breaking protesters.

In contrast you have the Tea Party, and other groups that protest, clean up their own garbage, and are praised by law enforcement for their order and kindness. I still remember the 100's of tons of garbage left on the Mall after Obamas inauguration. That about sums this administration and its supporters up.

Obama is a National DISGRACE.

Posted by: ignoranceisbliss | June 21, 2010 7:40 AM
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"Mob" made me think of the White House press corps. One of their members undoubtedly thought (or was led to believe) that the Administration, the Reverend Gibbs, and most of the "newsies" who go up there and hang around were getting ready to run down the road of Anti-Israeli Anti-Semitism and told a rabbi that Jews had to go home to Germany and Poland.

Obviously the crowd wasn't ready to do that in all that public a fashion yet so Helen Thomas was left in the lurch.

Poor Helen. Poor mob. Poor Br'r Fernandez.

Eventually he'll learn that's not a good simile to use ~ particularly when you are part owner of three losing teams ~ who could only be cheered on in this, their darkest hours, by little more than a disorganized mob of supposed fans.

Posted by: muawiyah | June 21, 2010 7:28 AM
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When the original Boston Tea Party occurred, the participants collectively were taking care of "my own business." They felt they had to as their protests to King George had fallen on deaf ears. When the news reached England, I don't think that King George said that he was happy to see his devoted and loyal American subjects were taking advantage of their right to protest. That these actions would have been construed as "mob" activity by those not so engaged or inclined did not illegitimize their activity.

Posted by: grayson2 | June 21, 2010 7:25 AM
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Whoa. Win some, lose some, time will tell? Heavy. (He's paid for this?)

As for the head-scratching assertion that "no" is not a long-term strategy — head-scratching inasmuch as any proposition can be stated either affirmatively or negatively: Tea partiers give a full-throated YES to individual liberty, fiscal responsibility and limited gummint — foundational American values.

Posted by: thebump | June 21, 2010 7:22 AM
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"wisdom of mobs." They are a mob if you disagree with them. If you agree with them they are "grass roots activists."
The Washington Post is the Fox news of the democratic party.

"I am sure that many tea-party candidates will win in November and some that many thought should win, will lose." Brilliant statement. It is like predicting 10% chance of rain. You're never wrong!

Posted by: SSTK34 | June 21, 2010 7:13 AM
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Calling these ordinary citizens, voicing their legitimate concerns as to the direction our country is going, as a MOB, shows your bias and makes the rest of your comments irrelevant.

Posted by: dad15 | June 21, 2010 7:09 AM
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