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Should Redskins Coach Jim Zorn have been fired?

By Hal Straus  |  January 4, 2010; 7:08 AM ET  | Category:  Local , National Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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I don’t think you can blame Zorn for all the Issues this team has had. Snyder and Cerrato played a huge role and they are first in line then followed by the players and third the coach. I think another year for Zorn would have done us well. It was obvious that last offseason the team went for what they wanted and not what the coach had seen as the weak point of the team which was the OL. I just hope Zorn steps up today and says how it was.

Posted by: franky4fingers | January 4, 2010 7:30 AM

Snyder meddles with the team and decision making and, when things don't work out, blames the coach. You can't fire an owner.

Posted by: Okiefrom | January 4, 2010 7:44 AM

Whether it's Zorn's fault or not is not the issue. He is not an NFL head coach. He should not have been hired as such in the first place.. I wish him well, but let's get on to rebuilding this franchise on the field.

Posted by: pjente | January 4, 2010 7:44 AM

How do we get a new owner. This is not the issue of Jim Zorn. This is the issue of bad ownership.

Posted by: jfarkle1 | January 4, 2010 7:48 AM

In hiring Zorn two years ago the Dan knew he was very green with no experience as a head coach or offensive coordinator and a work in progress. As such, firing him at this time is just the same old story for the Dan. The main problems have been personnel which the Dan and Vinny are responsible, though Zorn did make his share of mistakes. I hope Holmgren takes over in Cleveland and gives a Zorn a job such as Offensive coordinator. Maybe if the Dan had just kept Norv back in the day and kept a general manager things would be different now.

Posted by: Falmouth1 | January 4, 2010 7:49 AM

I think there is enough blame to go around for everyone. First and foremost, Cerrato did a lot to hurt this club. The OL was obviously lacking and nothing was done to improve it. Campbell was either indecisive or was unable to spot the open man, and he fumbled a lot. The the whole offense was out of sync and there was no consistency on either side of the ball. For this I blame the coaches. For the most part, the team resembled a beach whale. I believe a lot of heads need to roll. And Campbell is not the man for this team.

Posted by: wilsonkg1949 | January 4, 2010 7:56 AM

YES!!!!! COACH ZORN DESERVED TO BE FIRED. HE'S NOT HEAD COACHING MATERIAL. THAT'S NOT HIS FAULT. FOR THAT WE CAN BLAME THE OWNER. BUT THINGS ARE ABOUT TO CHANGE. I PREDICT THAT THE NEW REGIME WILL LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THIS TEAM, AND THE OWNER WILL CEASE TO MEDDLE IN FOOTBALL MATTERS AND ALLOW THE FOOTBALL PEOPLE TO LEAD US BACK TO RESPECTABILITY.

Posted by: diopsdad | January 4, 2010 7:59 AM

I am not one to rush to judgement and firing a coach is a big decision. But....I do feel it is the coach who is responsible for getting the players "ready" to play both physically,mentally, and emotionally. Any 53 NFL players can win the Super Bowl if they are coached in a way that they all want it bad enough. Jim Zorn simply didnt instill that desire. Who can do it and how to do it...I dont entirely know. Joe Gibbs knew, an any others have. Shanahan has and I pray he can do it here. The talent is here, always has been. The big money guys that Snyder has hired, most if not all could have continued the high level of play that made them big names to begin with but simply werent coached up when they got here.

Posted by: davemichelle07 | January 4, 2010 7:59 AM

It is all Snyder's fault.
Jim Zorn is a stand up guy who got screwed by an megalomaniac arse of an owner. He is not a head coach and should never have been hired in the first place for that role. BUT, he is not the reason the Skins are so bad.

I don't know if I have ever had so much dislike and lack of respect for any one person as I do for Snyder.

Posted by: dbeins | January 4, 2010 8:07 AM

Of course he deserved to get fired. The team didnt show improvement as the season went on and a 6-18 record after a 6-2 start is indicative of that.

Now, that Snyder/Cerrato have A LOT of responsibility for structuring the team they way they did and the mess this season with play-calling is obvious. Without a doubt everyone around in the NFL knows what a mess the Redskin organization is and that will help Zorn land a new job possibly as a O-Coordinator elsewhere.

Posted by: vmrg1974 | January 4, 2010 8:07 AM

Unfortunately, it's the nature of the job. When the team does well, we credit the coach - when the team falters, it's his fault too. I don't think it's entirely Zorn's fault that the team has struggled, but it's his job to create a winning team and he didn't do it.
It's just a darned shame you can't fire an owner.

Posted by: MuffinsMom | January 4, 2010 8:08 AM

The talent is here, always has been. The big money guys that Snyder has hired, most if not all could have continued the high level of play that made them big names to begin with but simply werent coached up when they got here.

POSTED BY: DAVEMICHELLE07 | JANUARY 4, 2010 7:59 AM

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Talent is not here. The same core group of guys have only accomplished a 9-7 record at best and 1 post-season win. This group of guys have the talent to go 8-8 on average. The records from the last 6 seasons are living proof of it.

In an ideal world, management will give a couple of years to the new coach just to get rid of the HORRIBLE contracts they have in the books and get younger players in and be able to keep those players who they need to keep.

Posted by: vmrg1974 | January 4, 2010 8:11 AM

It is easy to see where the fault lies - look at how well the coaches have done who left the Redskins to other head coaching jobs. And if a coach like Gibbs can't succeed here then the problem must be higher up.

Posted by: Narnian | January 4, 2010 8:25 AM

Yes, Zorn deserved to be fired along with all of his coaches and about half of the players. The entire team needs an overhaul by an experienced GM and coach. Snyder also should be fired but we can't do that. With saying all of that, I am not sure that Shanahan is the right person. In any event, it will take a few years. As for Campbell, he needs to leave since Snyder has already shown that he has no faith in him.

Posted by: oakiedokie | January 4, 2010 8:26 AM

The best thing that happened in the last two years to Jim Zorn was to have been the coach at Washington and the best thing that will ever happen to Zorn is to be fired from the Redskins.

Posted by: pmramsey1 | January 4, 2010 8:32 AM

The way I see it, Had Greg Williams been hired after JG left, it wouldn't have gotten to this point...

Posted by: nicefella3 | January 4, 2010 8:42 AM

Jesus Christ couldn't coach the Redskins to success so long as Dan $nyder is the owner. He is the problem, the proverbial tird in the punch bowl.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | January 4, 2010 8:43 AM

I voted yes but with reservations; certainly having a GM who just never fully understood that without an offensive line you don't have a team. But Zorn's decision making in the first half of the season was a real problem.

I can't get over that Detroit game where he let the Lion's have a second shot at third and long. That decision eventually allowed Detroit to score a TD. If the Skin's had declined the penalty the work case scenario was a field goal.

For that reason, even with all the front office problems that he had to deal with, I think Zorn should be let go.

Posted by: ds5371 | January 4, 2010 8:43 AM

Zorn made a mistake in taking a job he was no qualified for, from an owner unqualified to be an owner. He should feel happy he was fired

Posted by: erthdog | January 4, 2010 8:45 AM

As an owner, it's easy for Snyder to cast all the blame and mishap on Zorn however, he has to take responsibility for many of the failures as well. Zorn had many good qualities that made him a good coach, but it's Snyder's fault for elevating him when he was not ready.

Posted by: 40acres | January 4, 2010 8:46 AM

No. Zorn don't deserve to be fired. Dan Snyder fired the right one when he fired the G.M., but not soon enough . He hired Sherm to do the play calling and that only created one victory, I believe. Now it's time to fire that "BUM/CRY BABY, MONEY BAG'S FAKEWORTH. The only player in the history TO BE CARTED OFF THE FIELD AND RETURNED TO THE SAME GAME." HE SHOULD THEN FIRE HIMSELF!!! AND I'M A COWBOY FAN!!!!!

Posted by: ralphdeyo | January 4, 2010 8:48 AM

Maybe yes, maybe no. But the pictures that the WP is putting on the front page of the web site are atrocious. Jim Zorn will not look like these pictures when he says his goodbyes. They are fake and probably taken when the team did something really stupid. He has too much class to look like that.

Posted by: mbrumble | January 4, 2010 8:49 AM

It was not Zorn, it was (as it has been for the last 11 years) the OWNER. As a die hard Skins fans, I could care less until Snyder is gone!

Posted by: rerva | January 4, 2010 8:50 AM

He sure DID deserve it! He is far too good a guy to work in the Redskins "organization". Good Luck to you Jim.

Posted by: upland_bill | January 4, 2010 8:56 AM

Zorn was probably a good fit as OC. But can any one blame him for accepting the head coaching job? Who says no to such an offer? Is anyone going to say "sorry, but I'm not qualified"?! Please... Zorn is a class act and deserved much better than what he got here. I agree that Snyder is the biggest problem and no, we can't fire him. But what about putting your money where your mouth is? Stop buying tickets from a team that sues you if you fall on hard times. Stop buying merchandise of a team who's owner changes coaches more often than the US bails out a bank. Until the Skins start losing big money, Snyder will keep the team and we will be writing the same thing again in a couple of years. If you care about the team, get rid of the owner. The only way to do that is to withhold your money.

Posted by: lonjax | January 4, 2010 9:20 AM

Zorn is a nice guy but a TERRIBLE head football coach. Bring on the Shannahan era.

Posted by: ballgame06 | January 4, 2010 9:22 AM

No, Zorn didn't deserve it.

Impeach Danny Boy, he's the root of ALL THE PROBLEMS!!!!!!!! IMPEACH HIM!!!!!!!

Posted by: peepmonger | January 4, 2010 9:25 AM

Snyder has treated the Skins as if he were picking in a fantasy league. Thats the reason people like Arrington and Fat Albert haven't worked well. No coach will succeed here as long Snyder continues to meddle with the team. His success in business has failed with the Skins.

Posted by: almelbe | January 4, 2010 9:26 AM

Will someone fire Mr. Snyder...what?! Cannot fire the owner? Then ask him to resign or give him a differnt job from the one he now holds...

In any case, best of luck to you Mr. Zorn!

Posted by: estela1130 | January 4, 2010 9:29 AM

You gotta feel sorry for the next coach...

Posted by: bsu4phd | January 4, 2010 9:40 AM

Does anyone remember when Norv Turner was fired by the Skins? Uh, look where he is now. With a winning San Diego team.

It ain't the coach. It's Dirty Dan sticking his nose in where he shouldn't.

Posted by: twocka1 | January 4, 2010 9:42 AM

The days of Riggins, Jacoby, Theisman & Dexter Manley (yes, Dexter, too) are over. Management changes coaches like they change quarterbacks. Too bad we can't fire Snyder.

Posted by: twocka1 | January 4, 2010 9:46 AM

The best thin Snyder can do to help the Redskins would be to buy the Dallas Cowboys.

Posted by: levgon22 | January 4, 2010 9:46 AM

Why blame Zorn? Everybody knows it was Adam Archuletta's fault.

Posted by: jimbo1949 | January 4, 2010 9:47 AM

Sometimes, the only way to become ready for a job is to do it for a while. IMO, NFL head coach is one of those jobs. We got very lucky with Joe Gibbs, who only needed five games to become oriented and go from having on 0-5 start to becoming a local legend. I personally think that Zorn is a potential Super Bowl coach, but he needs at least two more years (and maybe three) of experience to mature as a head coach and show what he is capable of.

Overall, the real problem to me is Dan Snyder's impatience. Hiring Zorn was Snyder's decision and he needed to stand behind it. Instead Snyder has spent this season meddling more and more, and by the end had so undermined Zorn that he almost had to be let go.

Now Snyder has Bruce Allen supposedly running things. Hopefully he is allowed to, so that the 'Skins can get back onto an even keel and gain the stability that is a prerequisite for any team to become a perpetual contender or an eventual Super Bowl champion.

Posted by: ems57fcva | January 4, 2010 9:52 AM

OK, so we're all agreed - The Danny sucks as an owner. With his history, any coach (no matter how good he is) who agrees to work for The Danny deserves what The Danny will do to him. The Danny's history is well recognized and is there for all to see.

The way to get rid of The Danny is to hurt him where he lives - in his pocketbook. True Redskins fans should stay away from all home games - don't sell your tickets to someone else - boycott all of next season's games. Empty seats and no beer/food sales will kill The Danny.

Posted by: Bunker76 | January 4, 2010 9:54 AM

THE PROBLEM is the owner, and any person who takes the head coach job better have a good contract, because plain and simple, THE IDIOTS IN THE FRONT OFFICE AND THE OWNER will screw it up.

No DE or DT is worth $100M - such complete idiocy.

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Posted by: swanieaz | January 4, 2010 9:55 AM

For all those defending Zorn, saying it's not his fault: What in his coaching tenure did you see that would make you think he'd succeed? Obviously, the problems go beyond *just* Zorn. But, make no mistake, he was part of the problem. Unimaginative offense, disorganized playcalling, gameclock management errors, etc. Not a good coach. It's one thing to say, "Bellicheck wouldn't win with this team." And, that's certainly true. But, would Zorn win if he had the talent of, say, the Patriots or Saints? No way.

Posted by: mvm2 | January 4, 2010 9:56 AM

Since pro-football is such a results oriented business, Jim Zorn probably did deserve to be fired. He was given two seasons to mold this team and it appears the Redskins are worse off than before. In retrospect, it seems like an impossible task, but he accepted it, consequenses and all.

Posted by: wwc4g | January 4, 2010 10:05 AM

Good luck Jim Zorn. Now Mr. Allen, use some logic here, I would suggest using the #1 for a LT, and the #2 for a OG. Keep Campbell for another year. No matter who the QB is he will fail unless the O line gets fixed. The bottom line is Teams are built through the draft...period.
I'd even consider trading some of the big deal players (who think they are much better than they demonstrate)for more draft picks.

John

Posted by: johntyreman | January 4, 2010 10:10 AM

Zorn really was not the problem. Yes the head coach gets the blame but who is at fault here. Daniel Synder is at fault. Ever since he took over as owner, the Redskins has been nothing. Coaches after coaches every year. Norv, Marty, Gibbs were all good coaches. All pretty boy Daniel do is flash around his money because he can. He knows nothing about football. He is a want to be Jerry Jones. Until Daniel Synder decides to sell this team, the Redskins will just be average or less, no Super Bowl. The Cooke family were the best. Maybe if Daniel decides to give his live to Christ and be a Christian then God will prosper his team...

Posted by: rolly1 | January 4, 2010 10:11 AM

How many times can Dan and Vinny vote in this poll?

Posted by: at0165 | January 4, 2010 10:12 AM

Yes they should fire him BUT he should never had the job in the first place! Extremely poor leadership and management from Snyder & Cerrato. Until the leadership changes and they start running the Redskins like a professional sports franchise I don't think much will change. Hopefully Allen and the new head coach can prevent Synder from continuing to screw up this franchise. The failures of this team for the last 10 years rests with Snyder and no one else! Unfortunately, I don't think he can look in the mirror and say that HE is the problem and HE needs to change.

Posted by: jstewart3 | January 4, 2010 10:13 AM

I voted yes, but agree that in the grand scheme of things Zorn was not the main problem - it's the owner, the players attitude and the lack of leadership. While Zorn is a class guy who you sort of root for to still be be the coach, there is no denying that the teams performance under his tenure is a big cause for his firing. Their failure to hold leads in big games in the 4th quarter sort of did it for me....but I'm upset at the same time, because I think Zorn could have grown into this role and probably turned things around...I think Blache needed to go for sure - too many late game collapses...Who knows...The bottom line is the team needs to hit "reboot" and undergo a complete makeover, specifically its character, its leadership and its personality - how about an O-line driven team, huh? Good luck to Jim Zorn - you're a great guy amd you'll be missed.

Note to the Post - Put up a poll question "Was Jim Zorn treated fairly?" I think you'll get a very one-sided response...

Posted by: socalmw | January 4, 2010 10:18 AM

Jim Zorn is a victim of the "Danny Boy is God" mentality of the organization. Even Vinnie now realizes that Dan can eat his young. Woe be to the next coach.....you won't get the best or the most talented, just the most mercenary.

Posted by: dollarsforgoofs | January 4, 2010 10:22 AM

Not sure the "Real " Coach was actually fired. When you run an NFL organization like your fantasy football team, what the heck can the figurehead coach do but maybe call plays with a bunch of guys he didn't have a damn thing to do with obtaining, and attend news conferences. Please sell the team Mr. Snyder, and make the one organization correction that the Washington DC metro area and the NFL is hoping for.

Posted by: 50Eagle | January 4, 2010 10:24 AM

Zorn had no business being hired as HC in the first place which is Snyders fault. But when given the chance Zorn failed miserably. So he deserved to be fired. Put it this way, had the Skins gone 12-4 and won the NFC East we wouldn't be having this conversation today.

Posted by: kmp1 | January 4, 2010 10:26 AM

too bad we can't fire the owner - or can we? just stop spending your money at his house.

Posted by: flancaster99us | January 4, 2010 10:28 AM

Yes, insofar as he wasn't qualified to be a head coach to begin with. But then, he wasn't hired for that initially. Of course, the fact that vinny and lil'Danny went and hired the staff for Gibbs' replacement ultimately served to ensure no qualified coach would take the position. So they were left with Zorn. Then they failed to do ANYTHING about the O-line. So Zorn was set up for failure. If you look at his 6-2 start last season with an objective eye, that was probably a hangover from the Gibbs era. By mid season the players probably realized they were dealing with a collection of morons, and the rest is history.

I sincerely hope the "brain trust" allows Shanny, or whomever the "team" selects, to pick his own staff. Then, Bruce Allan needs to make sure Snyder isn't allowed within 100 miles of a football related decision. He's barely capable of making any decisions (see, PR fiasco stemming from signage at FedEx Field) at all, but Snyder is particularly ill equipped to make football related decisions.


Posted by: tkoho | January 4, 2010 10:33 AM

It is time for Jim Zorn to go. We gave him suffiecient number of chances to bring us a winning team. While you are at it, take Clinton Portis; Jason Cambell; Fred Smoot (actually all the cornerbacks); Haynesworth and his big belly; and the whole offensive line too.

Posted by: markhenderson1 | January 4, 2010 10:37 AM

I agree with Falmouth1 posted at 7:49 am. Zorn was set up to fail and the management knew what they were getting when they hired him. If you know your coach is green, you give him the time to develop. The problem is/was Cerrato and is still the Danny. But if Danny finally wises up and gives Allen and the new coach some actual control and backs off, things could get better! Zorn will land a good Offensive Coordinator or Quarterbacks coach somewhere and will be fine.

Posted by: larmur57 | January 4, 2010 10:39 AM

Two words: Tony Dungy.

Posted by: PlayByTheRules | January 4, 2010 10:39 AM

The shabby part of this firing was management's interviewing Mr. Gray to satisfy the Rooney rule.

Posted by: emcdonald6 | January 4, 2010 10:48 AM

Zorn was a victim of bad management and had his hands tied by that management as well as by an unfortunate grouping of injuries. Zorn is one of the nicest coaches around and at least gave us an admirable individual to root for on Sundays. Now that he's gone, we can only hope that we'll like Shanahan as much. Let's face it, it's only a game. It's nice to have good guys representing us and our city.

Posted by: newmatoad | January 4, 2010 10:49 AM

Snyder gotta go.If he has some respect for the millions of fans he's gotta stop the brat attitude and leave ownership to someone with better ownership skills. Snyder mistreated Norv Turner and yesterday we witnessed him coaching a playoff team and winning. The same thing happened with Marty Shottenheimer. Zorn? He will be hired somewhere and he will have his revenge as well. Coaching is a process and you have to delegate your team to a knowledgable team, but if you think your team is your toy. I will not buy seasons tickets next year, not because of my team but because of Snyder.

Anyways..Ravens stadium is just one hour away from home...and will take me the same time I have to drive to Fedex Field.

Posted by: hampuero | January 4, 2010 10:52 AM

As with the coaches before him, Zorn was between a rock and a hard place. He took a job no one wanted, got micromanaged by a tyrant, then became the fall guy when things didn't work out.

The Skins are a bunch of overpaid, highly talented underachievers who don't understand the concept of 'TEAM'. It starts with Snyder - a person with more money than common sense, who believes he can buy a championship. He has surrounded himself with 'yes men' (and fired anyone who dares to challenge him) and calls himself a leader until things go wrong.

Snyder's inability to accept responsibility for his own actions - and the revolving door on the coach's office - will continue to ensure that the Skins will remain underachievers regardless of who is the head coach.

As PITT showed in recent years, it takes time to build a championship team - they just can't be bought by pulling a number of talented, egocentric individuals together - and it takes a leader (one who is given FULL responsibility without fear of being fired after one season) to make it happen.

If Snyder continues to hire coaches who pay more attention to the termination clauses of their contracts than they do to coaching, the team will continue to have mediocre season after mediocre season.

Posted by: Disbelief | January 4, 2010 10:52 AM

To PlayByTheRules: I hope and pray (for Dungy's sake) that Dungy would have the common sense to say no and walk away from Snyder.

Dungy deserves far more than anything Snyder will ever be capable of offering.

Stated another way: Dungy deserves trust, respect, and full control over the day to day operations. Snyder is incapable of providing any of these.

Posted by: Disbelief | January 4, 2010 10:58 AM

The Post asked the wrong question. It's not "Does Zorn DESERVE to go" but "Does Zorn NEED to go".

Zorn's not done anything bad or wrong with the mismatched team he was handed, given the injuries. He's tried to make it work (and the defence has done its job) but too many pieces missing ruined any chance they had for success.

That said, the team needs a new vision to move forward. The new GM does it's part but he needs a coach he's comfortable with and one that can match his vision of the team's future.

So, No. Zorn doesn't deserve to be fired but Yes, he does need to be let go.

Posted by: MadiganT | January 4, 2010 11:00 AM

Let's see. Coaching changes, personnel changes but the outcome is the same. The only constant has been ownership. Al Davis doesn't get it. Snyder doesn't get it.

Posted by: thomgr | January 4, 2010 11:04 AM

The coach decides:
- who makes the team
- who starts the game
- what the plays are that will be run in all situations
- who to substitute and when
- runs the half-time stategy sessions
- and is ultimately responsible for the wins or losses of games.

The coach, if he performs the above poorly, should be fired.

Posted by: ahashburn | January 4, 2010 11:05 AM

Zorn was (is?) a good guy who simply was not ready for a head coaching position at this time. That he got one under Snyder at the now-legendary soap opera that is the Redskins was a shame, because it will stigmatize him for a while. However, it wouldn't surprise me if he did eventually catch on somewhere else. Snyder has basically written the book on how to run a franchise into the ground (suing ticket holders was particularly inspired), so a chapter on letting a potentially good future coach go would be a nice addition.

Posted by: zippyspeed | January 4, 2010 11:17 AM

Tradition says that the Captain goes down with his ship, although there is not, but there should be, some tradition similar for owners.

I suspect that Coach Zorn will land on his feet, like the quality footballer he is.

Posted by: Geezer4 | January 4, 2010 11:20 AM

I have FAR more respect for Zorn, than for meddlesome, incompetent Snyder.

Hey NFL! YOu ahve a LARGE number of disgusted fans, who NO LONGER wish to have anything to do with a Snyder-owned Redskins team! As such, I have sworn off of watching ANY NFL football (not playoffs, no wild cards, no superbowl), I will not watch recap shows, I will not giggle at NFL football follies, until DAN SNYDER SELLS THE REDSKINS!!

I will not watch a SINGLE commercial for the NFL, will not purchase ANY NFL merchandise, nor participate in any sort of NFL related activities, or purchase anything even REMOTELY NFL-related, until Snyder is gone. The only ones who can end his reign of (t)error in DC is the NFL, no one else has ANY leverage to make him leave, HELP US NFL! Help us, help YOU!

Until then, BYE BYE NFL!

Posted by: FredEvil | January 4, 2010 11:22 AM

His record speaks for itself but Zorn was not setup for success from the start. Dan "dot.Bomb" Snyder is to blame. Zorn was hired to be OC, not head coach. He became head coach after dot.bomb and Vinnie could not find another head coach. Poor player evaluation, cap management, terrible game-day experience and not enough hubris from the owner. I don't expect results to change with new coach/GM until ownership changes. I hope I am wrong but I'm not insane.

Posted by: mdnativ2000 | January 4, 2010 11:27 AM

FIRE the Owner!!!!!!!!!!

This is the best thing that could have happened to Zorn. At least he is away from Snyder and Vinny. Everyone in the world knows Snyder is the worst owner of any team! Snyder should leave the operations to the GM and find a hobby!

Posted by: grprix97 | January 4, 2010 11:32 AM

The Redskins fired one of the most decent and honorable coaches in all of professional football. The system that Dan Snyder has established and nurtures will make it virtually impossible for any head coach to succeed. Snyder needs to take himself out of the picture entirely and hand all football related decisions to his GM and head coach. While the team might be worth a small fortune, the true measure of excellence goes beyond the balance sheet.

Posted by: doctorlenfriedman | January 4, 2010 11:38 AM

I agree FIRE THE OWNER :(

I wish Coach Zorn well and enjoy spending Snyder's money. You earned it just for putting up this organization. It's an embarrassment to the NFL and Redskins fans.

Posted by: kathystephens | January 4, 2010 11:38 AM

Zorn was given a deficient set of OLinemen and there was nothing he could do to fix that problem, which was the fault of Li'l Danny and his faithful sidekick, Vinnie.

If Allen and the new coach are allowed to run the team w/o meddling by Li'l Danny, maybe things can improve. Otherwise, it matters not who is coach or GM so long as Li'l Danny is the owner.

Posted by: dolph924 | January 4, 2010 11:41 AM

Zorn was doomed from the beginning. Most everybody knew it when he was promoted to head coach 2 years ago. It was widely written about at the time. No glamor boy coach with rings on his fingers would take Snyder's head coaching job, so Snyder picked a throw away coach already on the payroll. Heartless to do that to a good guy...I'm sure that kept Dan up nights. Two years later the rest of Danny's Zorn Plan finally happened...is anyone surprised?

If we can't fire the owner, can we at trade him? We would be better off throwing in a few draft picks to go with him if it would help con some sucker into taking him.

Posted by: Abter | January 4, 2010 11:45 AM

Jim Zorn's prior coaching experience was as a quarterback coach for the Seahawks, where he played most of his NFL career. He simply did not have the experience or credentials to be a head coach in the first place.

Posted by: Jamz | January 4, 2010 11:47 AM

Synder = Angeloes of the Orioles. For the life of me it would make one wonder about their successes as a businessmen. Are they really flim flam artists ? Snyder obtained his wealth at an early age. What did he invent or build ? Is he another one of those financial genuises who wreaked havoc, help causing the economic collapse and then bought the Redskins snubbing the Cooke guy just to field a failure ?
People like Synder make me sick. They wear their shades to hide their over blown egos.
What a disgrace to have an owner like this of the nation's team ?
Jack Kent Cooke must be rolling in his grave. Snyder will never have the integrity of Cooke.
Like Zorn didn't deserve to be coach, Snyder doesn't deserve to be owner. Because you scam your way into that position doesn't mean you know jack about football.
Shanahan isn't the right choice either.
Redskins need a guy like the Steelers replaced Cowher with.
Some hungry low keyed guy with an incredible work ethic.
People say Zorn wasn't head coach material, really, how so ?
He followed Norv Turner, Marty Shottenheimer and Joe Gibbs. How many SBs did they win this time ?

Posted by: jcreager | January 4, 2010 11:49 AM

How in the world can anyone defend Zorn?

I am truly amazed. Did any of you watch this year? He's a nice guy....that's great. Good for Zorn. But he has a screw loose. There was no way for Snyder to know this when he was hired two years ago.

In the current NFL, you have to be a bit of an ahole to win. Andy Reid, not a "nice" guy. Bill B, not a "nice" guy. S. Payton, not a "nice" guy. N. Turner, used to be a "nice" guy, now he gets in his player's a-s-s.

These guys make too much money. You have to have a mean streak in you, or the players push you around. Shanny has that mean streak. God help these guys during the off-season workouts.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | January 4, 2010 11:50 AM

Zorn has class and was treated without any by Snyder and Cerrato, he is a good person and a good coach. The Skins did not give him a fair shot, they did not supply him with the tools needed. He may have had the same result; but we will never know.this orginazation is an embarrasment to us all. Good luck coach Zorn, you must know that we all do not blame you for this mess.

Posted by: rcc11 | January 4, 2010 11:54 AM

Jim Zorn's future was always tied to the success of Jason Campbell. If Jason had developed into a star-quality QB, then Zorn would still be the coach. Did it make sense to hire Zorn as the Head Coach? Well... yes it did, because he was a very successful QB coach.

Shanahan? What did he ever do without John Elway? Does anyone think Shanahan can take the Skins to the top with Campbell?

Posted by: Fluvanna | January 4, 2010 11:55 AM

Jim Zorn is a far, far better man and football man than the management of the Redskins. The owner and Cerrato set up the guy to fail. They really, really did. They undercut in ways that no even we fans can fully know.
If I were Vince Lombardi, I would not coach in this snakepit that the Redskins have become during Snyder's ownership.
The next coach, well, I am counting the days until fans and the owner will be greasing the skids to roll him out of town, too.

Posted by: royhobbs56 | January 4, 2010 11:55 AM

Jim Zorn was a bad coach, so he deserves to be fired.

However, Jim Zorn was a bad hire, which isn't his fault. He was elevated from a position coach to a combination OC/HC without having the experience to excel in neither. Everyone but Vinny/Danny saw this coming.

Fortunately, Vinny resigned, as he is to be blamed for this failure.

Posted by: C-way | January 4, 2010 11:57 AM

Mmost of it was said in one way or the other above. Does Zorn deserve to go? Accountabillity says yes, but he did exactly what he said he was going to do and got fired anyway.

Should Zorn be fired? Yes, he should. He made a nice segway into Shanny. When we hired Zorn there was no one else to take the job- that's why he was promoted from OC just after being hired.

The real question will only be answered by time. Snyder hired a good GM, only time will tell if he will let him work. Snyder is hiring a good coach, only time will tell if they will let him go to work- or have his play calling duties stripped mid season...

I don't really care for players auditioning for thier jobs next season. Find a way to win and your audition speaks for itself. Keep what Shanny wants, draft who Allen says to, and get rid of the old age players just like Zorn, whether they deserve it or not.

Zorn didn't deserve the team he was given by Vinnie, but he got them to play- even sometimes well- even though by the end it was barely more than a practice squad.

It comes back to Danny. He asked a guy (not qualified) if he was ready to take the job. Anyone that really wants the job is going to say yes. That might be the only thing Zorn ever lied about. So fire him for that and move on.

You're a class act JZ- good luck.

Posted by: fireballhank | January 4, 2010 12:05 PM

I voted Yes, but in fairness I think the correct answer is - He never should have had the job in the first place. It was a bad situation he was placed in, but the mistake was with the people who dangled the job in front of him - not on him for taking an opportunity to be a head coach.

He was over his head and should be fired on the basis of this season. But the real blame for this lousy team goes much much higher....

Posted by: dbjackso1 | January 4, 2010 12:12 PM

The bottom line is that the HC and GM need to be on the same page. The team should be built around the HC's strengths.

If the rumors are actually true, and Shanahan is the next HC, there's at least a pretty good chance that Allen will know how to build a team around his strengths.

A note for the future: If Snyder's dream is to have the equivalent of the 2000 Rams in DC, you need to put in field turf and build a dome. A team that plays in an open area stadium like Fed-Ex with a grass field in a region with some rough weather in the late season probably needs to be geared around a more defensive, run oriented approach. So in a sense you also have to build the team around the home-field as well.

I just hope the Skins are able to get some value in exchange for some of their veterans. They need to start over. It's a shame that they already burned their high #3 for this year's draft in last year's supplemental draft. We'll have to see if Jarmon develops -- that high three though seems like a pretty steep price.

Posted by: JPRS | January 4, 2010 12:13 PM

I've always felt that Jim Zorn is a class act. He didn't deserve the treatment he got this season, and his professionalism stands in huge contrast to that of team ownership. Wouldn't it be nice if Dan Snyder actually learned something from Jim Zorn! I for one am sick and tired of Snyder's constant emphasis on big names--Shanahan included. Why is he the best choice for the Redskins? Wilbon astutely points out in today's column that Shanahan has won only 1 playoff game without John Elway. Someone earlier suggested Russ Grimm. Was he even considered, or isn't he a big enough name???

Posted by: silentnomore | January 4, 2010 12:13 PM

Oh, sure, Zorn isn't the only person at fault here. Indeed, he isn't even close to be the most blame-worthy - that dubious honor goes without question to Snyder. The man's a disgrace. The guys on FOX yesterday kept saying how he really wanted to win - the problem is he apparently wants to win too much, and so he can't keep his hands off the team.

Having said that...Zorn was a lousy coach. He was a a class act dealing with all this crap, and I give him applause for handling it maturely. But he was a bad coach.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | January 4, 2010 12:18 PM

After the owner has been fired, the Redskins should rebuild the offensive and defensive lines.

They can always get some running backs and receivers. The positions are glamorous but much easier to fill than those on the line.

Zorn was not ready to be a head coach.

Snyder is still not ready to be an owner.

Posted by: gmuhokie2009 | January 4, 2010 12:55 PM

Oh for pity's sake. Like we didn't know Dan Snyder had no class. No wonder he didn't connect with his coach. Jim Zorn is a good man and a perfectly fine coach. I wish him well wherever he lands. And Dan Snyder can just bite me -- aaarrrggghhh ......................!

Posted by: aev1 | January 4, 2010 1:06 PM

I think he should be fired cause he never should have been hired. He tried his hardest but the o line is killing us. and there were so many injuries. cooley, portis, and betts were all gone. to bad we cant resurect jack kent cook...

Posted by: I_Heart_Mambosauce | January 4, 2010 1:10 PM

Coach Zorn should be given another year to lead this team. I disagree with the folks that say that he should never had this opportunity as a head coach. If you observed and watched closely the past 2 seasons (particulary this season with all the non-sense he had to deal with Snyder and Cerrato) to what kind of character Jim Zorn has, he has all of the attributes of a great leader and coach: integrity, humility, toughness, and football intelligence. Coach Zorn did the best he could with what he was given by senior management- working with a QB that is not suited for a west coast offense and depleted offensive line. A great leader and coach stands by their players, which Zorn did with Campbell when Jason struggled.

If the players made that 1 single play in each of the close games they should have won (dropped interceptions, missed kick, etc.)- all would be praising Coach Zorn for the Skins probable 11-5 or 10-6 record, instead of the sorry 4-12 record. Coach Zorn had the team prepared and ready in each of the games- players ultimately let him down (and the fans). Coach Zorn earned my sincere respect and he will be a successful NFL Football coach soon. He will come back and make Danny boy and Skins feel sorry one day that we let him go unjustly. God bless you Coach Zorn!

Posted by: QB07 | January 4, 2010 1:12 PM

Zorn: proof that nice guys don't make good head coaches. His smirk when answering the question as to why he called the gadget play that failed made me want him gone then and there. Yeah he was screwed over by taking the job Cerrato and Snyder held out for him, but I feel he let himself be talked into it as well. There's an old saying that goes "with choice comes responsibility"! He chose to be the head coach knowing the kind of people Snyder and Cerrato were, but not knowing the basics of our franchise..."maroon and yellow", that was the first red flag right there! good ridance!!!!

Posted by: jv_cfpllc | January 4, 2010 1:22 PM

Coach Zorn had to go. But for upper management to inflict the indignities on him is inexcusable. Did I read he was 'escorted to his car by security' @4am? What does that mean. Future coaches beware!

Posted by: yankeenica | January 4, 2010 1:22 PM

Ever heard of Tony Dungy and Joe Gibbs? Some of the nicest and classiest gentlemen.

I've heard talks that Mike Shanahan will be the next Skins coach. If true, he will be successful, as he is a proven winner. However, going back to Coach Zorn, he will be a successful coach one day and he will come back to haunt the Skins.

Posted by: QB07 | January 4, 2010 1:30 PM

We got rid of 2 of our problems (Vinny and Zorn). We still left with an incompetent owner.

Posted by: sassyjac | January 4, 2010 1:39 PM

He took over a playoff team and they went downhill. He is not an NFL coach.

Posted by: jmy999 | January 4, 2010 1:50 PM

The real question is "Did Zorn ever deserved to be hired?" Unfortunately, you can't fire the owner.
jr

Posted by: jrussell1 | January 4, 2010 1:51 PM

The Firing of Zorn leads me to think of a quotable line of dialogue from "The Unforgiven" “I don't deserve this.... I was building a house.” “Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.” While I personally feel that Zorn was given an un-winnable situation and therefore he did not “deserve” to be fired, he had to be. In order to make an actual change from the current poser image of the Redskins and let us all face the reality of this franchise’s situation. The Redskins are indeed the rich kid on the block fronting how tough they are only to be exposed every time anyone shows some backbone around them. And that sense of entitlement and baseless posturing can only be accomplished by cleaning out the rot.

Cerrato was the captain of the Titanic, Zorn was his chosen first mate, Blatche he’s the next guy to blame (his selling out his friend and mentor (Williams) for a Shotgun should be reason enough), Gray, hope he got something as nice as the Shotgun for interviewing and making a mockery of the Rooney rule. In fact the only coach that I feel bad for is Sherman Smith, since he had to be begged to leave the Titans to join this insanity. But everybody has got to go. Clean it out.

Players: Sorry Portis time to go. Not because of diminished play, or injuries. You, Hall, and maybe a few others that seem to have gotten your contracts fattened by being friendly with the owner need to go just to establish that there are no “Assistant GM’s” in the locker room. Cooley, we all love you, but you can be traded to improve the line and Davis and Yoder seem to be able to fill the void you leave. Of course the alleged coach in waiting knows how to use a TE so maybe the powers that be don’t do this.

Washington Fans let your voice be heard. Would we not all be able to accept an 6-10 or 7-9 season if they competed, lost close games, and HAD A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. Redskins tell us what you plan to do and we will be patient. Campbell haters and lovers both sides could accept Campbell being here another year if you tell us you plan on building an O line that will pave the way for whomever is in the backfield and keep whomever is QB upright. Then ignore the QBs of 2010. OK just tell us. Mr Snyder “#1 Fan” be patient with us.

Posted by: Hank4 | January 4, 2010 1:57 PM

Zorn's only mistake was to go to work for Snyder. No coach with any self-respect would do that. I suspect that he has learned a valuable lesson - people who lie down with dogs get up with fleas. If only the fans had the option to choose. Zorn will be off to greener pastures. He will probably get a gig as an offensive coordinator with a functional team. Redskins fans will get shafted again next year - watching one of the worst teams in professional football play in the most expensive stadium in the league.

Posted by: DoneWithDan | January 4, 2010 1:59 PM

After enjoying the glory years of George Allen and Joe Gibbs, the football gods have decided to punish Redskin fans, first with the era of Norv Turner mediocrity, and now with the era of Daniel Snyder meddling.

Posted by: goddessangelica | January 4, 2010 2:00 PM

Zorn deserved better than to work with the two losers at owner and GM. However, these coaches like Zorn keep trying to shoehorn Jason Campbell into an offense that doesn't fit his skillset. Why is everyone addicted to the "west coast offense"?
This is not heresy, but George Allen and Joe Gibbs both proved that you can make a winner out of a pretty good (not great)QB if you just have an O line!
We will always suck until we get a line!

Posted by: swoodfield13 | January 4, 2010 2:12 PM

This by far says it all ! When you man your team with rejects that there former teams didn't want, you get what you got.
Zorn is a hard worker and diligent, something not found much in DC.


Coach Zorn should be given another year to lead this team. I disagree with the folks that say that he should never had this opportunity as a head coach. If you observed and watched closely the past 2 seasons (particulary this season with all the non-sense he had to deal with Snyder and Cerrato) to what kind of character Jim Zorn has, he has all of the attributes of a great leader and coach: integrity, humility, toughness, and football intelligence. Coach Zorn did the best he could with what he was given by senior management- working with a QB that is not suited for a west coast offense and depleted offensive line. A great leader and coach stands by their players, which Zorn did with Campbell when Jason struggled.
If the players made that 1 single play in each of the close games they should have won (dropped interceptions, missed kick, etc.)- all would be praising Coach Zorn for the Skins probable 11-5 or 10-6 record, instead of the sorry 4-12 record. Coach Zorn had the team prepared and ready in each of the games- players ultimately let him down (and the fans). Coach Zorn earned my sincere respect and he will be a successful NFL Football coach soon. He will come back and make Danny boy and Skins feel sorry one day that we let him go unjustly. God bless you Coach Zorn!
Posted by: QB07 | January 4, 2010 1:12 PM

Posted by: jcreager | January 4, 2010 2:23 PM

The problem with Dan Snyder is how he manages the franchise- he treats it like a business and doesn't appreciate the "game" side of football. Running a business requires that you hire competent managers, hard workers, techical guru's, etc. If you do that, then the business succeeds.

Football is different. All the coaches know all the plays, all the players work hard, the draft helps to ensure an equal distribution of talent, and so on. Theoretically, all of the teams should have the same won-loss records. The reason why some teams win more than others is because they have an "edge" over another team- an offensive strategy that works better with certain defenses, a certain way to motivate players, some way to trick the other team into doing something that's not in its favor, and other things. An edge takes time to develop, especially for a rookie head coach.

Jack Kent Cooke once said that owning the Redskins was the best hobby a man could have. Dan Snyder needs to lighten up. He and the fans will enjoy the game a lot more.

Posted by: techman77 | January 4, 2010 4:05 PM

Did Zorn NEED to be fired? Yes, because he is not ready to be a HC yet. Did he deserve it? NOOOO! He was put in an impossible situation; hired to be an OC, then given a take it or leave it offer to be the HC AFTER the guy who okayed Zorn's hire backed out of the HC job. He did the best he could with his experience and development level, and handled everything with true class and professionalism.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 4, 2010 4:10 PM

Zorn deserved to be fired... When the choice is between 1) a discreet, mutual departing or 2) a public execution with his body dragged through the streets. I would vote for #1. Zorn was over his head from day one. Based on his media interactions (interviews), I think everybody but Zorn knew it too. Honestly, Zorn is a good person. I hope that he takes the route of Norv... which would be to accept a lesser position and gain the experience necessary to become a head coach again. Remember, Norv was San Diego's offensive coordinator before he became the head coach. Zorn will be a bigger, better man (just like Norv) if he can accepts a college coaching or assistant coaching position for the next few years before tackling the Redskins in a head-to-head match-up as head coach. On that day, I'll be pulling for Zorn.

Posted by: jvtade1 | January 4, 2010 9:37 PM

It all begins and ends with the owner. He picked Zorn. Zorn may not have been the best pick for coach, but given the incredibly weak offensive line and how little it was addressed over the last 2 years by Snyder and Cerrato, I really wonder if any other NFL coach would have done much better. My prediction: the Redskins will wander in the wilderness of mediocracy for the next 2 years as the team tries to rebuild and an impatient owner will then fire the new general manager and soon-to-be-hired coach because they didn't produce an instant winner and we'll start the cycle all over again.

Posted by: yankeebob | January 4, 2010 10:21 PM

Jim Zorn is a nice guy in a thug’s profession. Jim was placed in an impossible position by a snake that could find no other taker for the Offensive Coordinator or Head Coach positions. So Jim went from Quarterback’s Coach to Offensive Coordinator and Head Coach in one swell floop He was doomed from the start only the initial 6 and 2 record gave us hope, but alas the chickens came home to roost going 6 and 20 for the rest of h is tenure. Now that Allen and presumably Shanahan are here, let see how long the Danny’s toxic organizational approach to management will take to send these gentlemen packing.

Posted by: dfc1140 | January 4, 2010 10:33 PM

As hard as I saw the Redskins play, even while they were getting their tales kicked; I say One more year for Zorn? Bear in mind the injuries and (numerous) changes to the OLine and how they practically had no running game?

Zorn was a Stand Up Guy and he wasn't a me-me, screamer,....

Check out Belichik's record when he was with Cleavland.

And Check out Shanahan's record after Elway.

I just don't see the Problem being Zorn or coaching, as opposed to the Line, running backs, and how the (new) receivers were Just starting to find their strides.

Moss and Randle El are OK but they aren't big enough targets and aren't real threats like Thomas and Kelly can be.

I can dream but ONE MORE Year!!!!

Posted by: MarkAntney | January 5, 2010 11:03 AM

I like Zorn, and although he's no Vince Lombardi, he should have been treated better by Dan Snyder. At least give Zorn a day to clean out his office and say his goodbyes; don't fire him as he's getting off the plane from San Diego. The Redskins have no class any more as an organization, and it starts with the Danny. Why would anyone want to coach here?

Posted by: pookey12 | January 5, 2010 2:06 PM

zorn didnt do too bad having to play with his 3rd string players. dam folks what the heck u watching.

Posted by: tbi110 | January 7, 2010 10:42 PM

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