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Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), often a proponent of very liberal, unlikely ideas such as the creation of a "Department of Peace" and the impeachment of then-Vice President Cheney, has found his pragmatic streak.

Under pressure from both President Obama and liberal groups, the Ohio congressman announced Wednesday morning he would back the health-care bill Democrats are trying to push Congress this week. Long an advocate of a Medicare-for-all health care system, Kucinich in November voted against the House version of the legislation, arguing it "incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem." Read the full article.

By Jodi Westrick  |  March 17, 2010; 11:46 AM ET  | Category:  National Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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Did anyone think Kucinich wouldn't vote for this bill in the end? The Democrats are trying to feign momentum by having a few people come out in support of the bill today and probably tomorrow and Friday in the hopes of fooling other Democrats to do the same. I don't think the more conservative Democrats will take the bait. This bill needs to die so Congress can move on to trying to screw up some other part of our country.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 17, 2010 11:58 AM

The only thing that needs to die is the republican party.

They are nothing more than a parasitic cancer on american working families, only taking care of their rich friends and waging useless wars, then wrapping themselves all up in the flag.

Pathetic.

Posted by: jfern03 | March 17, 2010 12:10 PM

Others will switch if they get the same bribe or better than he got!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | March 17, 2010 12:21 PM

Rich people owe the middle class or the poor nothing.
Yes each of us should contribute to others who have less or are suffering, but this is charity and should not be a forced action by the government.

There will always be people who are less fortunate and always those who are jealous and enviable of others who have more. Human nature.

Posted by: sbeth1 | March 17, 2010 12:30 PM

Like Kucinich wasn't going to vote for this measure in the end? According to Pelosi, votes are a mere formality anyway. What's at stake is Obama's reputation (not health care) and the Dems will do whatever is necessary to bring this crap bill to Obama's desk for signature.

Some "change"...It's jut business as usual in DC...

Posted by: Digitalman08 | March 17, 2010 12:38 PM

The rich may not owe the poor anything, but they at least owe the nation some semblence of corporate social responsibility and ethical actions in business. This has been hardly the case in the US over the previous eight years. When one group's opportunities are displaced and progress made more difficult by another, furthurmore, this is inequitable and self-serving.

Posted by: solid3 | March 17, 2010 12:42 PM

Posted by: sbeth1:"Rich people owe the middle class or the poor nothing."

Except that if it weren't for the lower and middle classes supporting you wouldn't have gotten so rich in the first place.

"Yes each of us should contribute to others who have less or are suffering, but this is charity and should not be a forced action by the government."

Where specifically is congress voting on a bill that forces anyone to give to charities?

"There will always be people who are less fortunate and always those who are jealous and enviable of others who have more. Human nature."

There will always be people who are more fortunate who will never be considerate of the efforts of those less fortunate who helped get them where they are today. Human Nature.

Posted by: tazmodious | March 17, 2010 12:44 PM

Nevermind the will of the American people; what's left of Obama's reputation is at stake. I hope they pass it. It'll be an important lesson in the cheap and sordid nature that now characterizes the Democratic Party.

Posted by: RossOdom | March 17, 2010 1:07 PM

SBeth1 -- "Rich people owe the middle class or the poor nothing."

Isn't that a quote from Marie Antoinette?

Posted by: lydgate | March 17, 2010 1:08 PM

If the bill is so great, why have they not already voted?? Could it be that the majority of Americans do not like it? Could it also be that there is another power play contained in the bill -- like -- STUDENT LOANS BEING TAKEN OVER BY OBMAMA?? Read the small print in this one very carefully!

WHY DO YOU WANT TO SELL YOUR SOULS TO THE DEVIL??

Posted by: wheeljc | March 17, 2010 1:10 PM

What is this mentality that someone owes something to someone else just by virtue of their being someone else?

Do the poor and middle class (whatever that is) owe something to the rich? Don't the rich work to provide the jobs? Don't the rich pay the taxes to fund the programs and services the lower classes enjoy? Why is it only the rich who have to "give back?"

And I'm neither rich NOR middle class.

Posted by: RossOdom | March 17, 2010 1:36 PM

"The only thing that needs to die is the republican party.
They are nothing more than a parasitic cancer on american working families, only taking care of their rich friends and waging useless wars, then wrapping themselves all up in the flag.
Pathetic.
Posted by: jfern03 | March 17, 2010 12:10 PM "

if that were true...
wall street and the bankers, friends of the dems would not be drowning in trillions of our dollars...
why can't ignorant people see that...

Posted by: DwightCollins | March 17, 2010 1:39 PM

Actually, Sbeth1, rich people get rich by utilizing the American infrastructure, which is maintained by the middle and lower classes. You're living in a dream world if you think they do it all themselves. They certainly DO owe the rest of the country a return on their profits.

When will these nasty, utterly false conservative ideals wither away and die?

Posted by: dylanette | March 17, 2010 1:39 PM

If there were ever a greater example of the need to break up the two parties this is it. Liberal ideals no longer welcome in the Democratic corporation, the Republicans are splitting between extremists and moderates.

We need a 5 party system now more than ever.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 17, 2010 1:44 PM

The smart ones will quit rather than vote.

They might opt for voting Present.
It is not wise to be on the wrong side of history.

Apparently, the POTUS is in conflict of interest with his other job as the UN SECURITY COUNCIL chairman, who placed Foreign troops on the USA turf July 2009, to disarm the USA and the military within the illegal shadow CZAR Napolitano's Homeland defense, (who ended border fences this week).

The April 15 TEA march is a show of red on the DC mall, ( in honor of the blood spilled for freedom in defense of the US Constitution) as a "No Confidence march", and a call for the defenders of the US Constitution to rise and do the right thing.


The defenders response is a Sept 9 march to post notice signs by the Oath keepers that read:

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Apparently, business people, as the Preppers, are planning to close their doors (to refuse to fund Obamaland by earning a dime to tax), and go on vacations to the border states standing shoulder to shoulder quail hunting and bird watching.



I intend to find "Preppers" online, and get provisions in the closet, (1 year hopefully will be enough ), during this frey.

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 1:51 PM

When will these nasty, utterly false conservative ideals wither away and die?
Posted by: dylanette
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Apparently long after you.

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 1:53 PM

Give the Teabaggers 30 seconds in power and they will acting the same way as Obama, and Bush did.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 17, 2010 1:57 PM

Give the Teabaggers 30 seconds in power and they will acting the same way as Obama, and Bush did.
Posted by: alex35332

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You might want to get a new crystal ball to see the future in their SWAMI, your's is obviously full of fog.

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 1:59 PM

Dottydo,

I have seen many political movements come and go. Trust me, when you start a movement like that with no leadership, and a convoluted agenda, you just left yourself open to a fascist taking charge. Your oath keepers have a good basic idea, but your just gonna wind up brown shirts for some neo-con nut if you don't watch your step.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 17, 2010 2:05 PM

DOTTYDO,

You mispelled "fray".

Also, I'm having trouble understanding why you posted a pseudo-military list of "oaths" on a Washington Post chatboard. Are you hoping for fresh recruits? Or just sharing who you are?

Posted by: dylanette | March 17, 2010 2:08 PM

Kucinich was put in a very very bad light when the story of the woman, in his district, was hospitalized and had forgone health insurance because of the every increasing cost. The "I have mine" attitude towards Americans who don't have is so unAmerican.

Posted by: rlj611 | March 17, 2010 2:28 PM

Dylanette,

You misspelled "mispelled."

And I think Dottydo was just trying to educate you and others with the Oathtakers' oath. Did you look at the link? It's all less innocuous than you might think, especially compared to a lot of left wing sites.

Posted by: RossOdom | March 17, 2010 2:29 PM

Rossodom,

You caught me, well done. And yes, I did look at the link. I just don't see 1) what any of these oaths have to do with health care reform, and 2) why they're being posted on this talkback. The feverish reversion to muskets and Betsy Ross does not, to me, have much relevance to the question at hand.

Posted by: dylanette | March 17, 2010 2:37 PM

Liberals crying because conservatives have money and they don't. Same song, second verse.

Posted by: sbeth1 | March 17, 2010 2:48 PM

No Democratic Representative is going to vote for the bill simply because Kucinich has surrendered to those supporting a very inadequate bill. He showed his "leadership" abilities, with his puny vote getting ability during the primaries. He is just another politician with no strong principles.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | March 17, 2010 2:57 PM

Dylanette,

Well, you make a good point. Guns don't have much to do with healthcare, unless of course you're at the wrong end of one at the wrong time.

Posted by: RossOdom | March 17, 2010 3:04 PM

Rich people owe the middle class or the poor nothing.
Yes each of us should contribute to others who have less or are suffering, but this is charity and should not be a forced action by the government.

There will always be people who are less fortunate and always those who are jealous and enviable of others who have more. Human nature.

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"each of us should contribute to others who have less or are suffering."

Should??? - You haven't been paying attention to the posts. People without health care insurance are being portrayed as lazy parasites by those opposed to health care reform. Opponents attitude is 'me first, screw everyone else.'

Posted by: sr31 | March 17, 2010 3:16 PM

SR31, this health care reform is forced charity. Many people without insurance are poor but not lazy, while others choose not to carry insurance at all.

Opponents attitude is more bent to "how will it be paid for"? It is a relevant question. We just (the American public out of their own pockets) contributed $560 million to Haiti and that was in the first 17 days. Americans are generous and charitable, right up to the time being "forced" to give is expected.

Posted by: sbeth1 | March 17, 2010 3:34 PM

Rich people wouldn't be rich people if it weren't for the middle class or the poor getting abused and taken advantage of.

Don't owe them nothing, huh?

Typical republican trash.

Posted by: jfern03 | March 17, 2010 4:05 PM

To TAZMODIOUS:

First of all, define "rich" and "middle and lower class".

Second of all, why is becoming wealthy a bad thing?

Third, the idea of wealth redistribution in the form of subsidies, Medicare/Medicaid/S-Chip, food stamps, welfare payments, etc. = people being charitable through Congress. sbeth1 didn't say there was a bill.

Fourth, why is the idea of government becoming overbloated with money and power a good thing, but individual citizens doing so is not? Why do libs consider gov't so noble and people pursuing their own interests to be ignoble?

And when did the government become the arbiter of "fairness"? And how exactly do you legislate the American people to "be considerate"? What is considerate - something defined by the gov't?

We are the most giving country in the world.

And so to solid3: how should the government control "corporate social responsibility"?

And to lydgate: if the rich people owe the lower and middle class something, then do the lower and middle class owe anything to rich?

Posted by: murderersrow1927 | March 17, 2010 4:08 PM

SR31,

Your portrayal of those of us opposed to health care, as "me-first, screw-everyone else," is way off the mark.

First of all, everyone acts in one's own self interest, wouldn't you agree? You don't purposely step out in front of a bus, and you wouldn't allow someone to burgle your house, if you could help it. You make the best grades you can in school. You present yourself in the best light when applying for a job.

So an attitude of "me first" is just a fact of nature, and it's universal.

But "me first" does not mean "me only."

If you think so, then you are ignorant of Americans' (of all stripes) generosity toward the less fortunate. We are a charitable people.

And I'm not certain, I can't site any study, but I believe conservative-minded people on the whole are more charitable by some financial measures than their counterparts on the left. Check me on that if you want.

My point is, there are larger and more complex issues in the opposition to this new healthcare legislation than simply self-centeredness. There are issues of costs, both known and unimaginable; there is the issue of governmental encroachment in our personal lives; there is the question of competence from a centralized source of decision-making, and many more issues.

But the simplest way to put it is that when it comes to this most precious possession of ours, our health, we trust the private sector -- as imperfect as it is -- long before we trust the government (the increasingly gargantuan government) to do the same job.

Posted by: RossOdom | March 17, 2010 4:24 PM

No one is asking the rich to pay for the healthcare of the poor. Everyone who pays taxes will contribute. Those who are out of work will benefit as well. What's the issue?

If this is socialism, so be it. People should not have to suffer and die because they do not have a job or insurance coverage.

The wealthy (especially "old money") are often just inheriters of the family fortune. They did nothing special in their lives to deserve to be rich, except by their luck of being born into a wealthy family, e.g. GW Bush. Those folks need a reality check by spending a day doing some ordinary job with a supervisor breathing down their neck.

The Bill being contemplated now is a "mystery" document to most of us. We should download and read, but I'm sure it's written in the private language of lawyerese.

Please, big government, just give us a simple uinversal healthcare plan. You go to the doctor, fill out your name and give them your soical. The rest is taken care of by the system. Keep it simple, please.

Posted by: misterbumbles | March 17, 2010 4:30 PM

So happy to see that Dotty is still spreading her doo-doo all around!

Posted by: thrh | March 18, 2010 12:06 AM

the people of the USA need health care reform
in the worst ways

Posted by: blacknight1 | March 18, 2010 2:14 AM

The health care bill will pass with 222 Democrat votes. It will never be repealed, and will be cherished like social security and medicare.

If healthcare were really bad, the Republicans wouldn't have to lie and death panel to try and defeat the bill.

The country will realize that Republicans and right wing radio lied, lied, lied.

The country needs health care, and Americans always do the right thing, eventually.

Rush Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity ,Palin are all liars.

Posted by: COWENS99 | March 18, 2010 3:11 AM

Anyone who believes Kucinich will cause others to come forward are delusional...did they stand up for him when he ran for president? No. Why would they suddenly do the same thing Kucinich does? Political suicide. The east coast media are surely desperate when they give Kucinich such prestige....good try, guys, but you're grasping at straws...try sipping through them instead.

Posted by: William18 | March 18, 2010 9:46 AM

What his vote will do is to cause disgust with progressive Dem voters who wanted a public option. They will now see that everyone in politics can be bought. This will cause Dems to not bother to vote this fall.

Posted by: sperrico | March 18, 2010 10:29 AM

Sold his vote for a ride on the big plane.
Hope they gave him some peanuts.

Note in his statement he first consulted with everyone except the people he represents.

Need to get rid of these clowns.

Posted by: jacques21 | March 18, 2010 11:01 AM

dottydo wrote: "The April 15 TEA march is a show of red on the DC mall"

Yeah, I notice you aren't bragging about the 200 who showed up on March 15th to hear a guy stand up on a park bench because your troops aren't even smart enough to figure out how to get a stage permit.

A guy not even smart enough to use a megaphone, who pushes the wrong button and starts announcing "You sunk my battleship! You sunk my battleship! You sunk my battleship!"

We had a lot of fun talking to the LaRouchies, who by the way were going great guns distributing their pamphlets promoting -- among other things -- a vast global expansion of general health care! It is so ironic, n'est-ce pas?

And we'll have a lot more fun on Taxgiving Day, trust me on that.

I grant you this, you're pretty good with that though -- for what it's worth. Those "We will NOT..." manifestoes keep popping up more numerous than pigeon poops all over these boards.

Don't worry, on April 15 we WILL ALL see who will NOT. Yes, Dotty "Do" keep in mind your People's Mall reservation is not in any way an "Exclusive Use Permit".

Posted by: laboo | March 18, 2010 12:11 PM

Several Dems said March 18 they will vote no including Latinos because bill will forbid undocumented workers from buying health insurance forcing them into emergency rooms for colds, pregnancies etc. Are Dems crazy or stupid?

Posted by: mascmen7 | March 18, 2010 1:32 PM

Kucinich believes in UFOs, a Dept of peace, withdrawal from Afghanistan immediately. As Mayor of Cleveland, Kucinich was called "the mistake on the lake."

Posted by: mascmen7 | March 18, 2010 1:35 PM

cowen99 - take a pill there lil' fellar. o is the liar. limbaugh, beck etc can do nothing to stop this. this is all dems. they are being pressured by the peeps to do the RIGHT thing - to deep-six this socialist monstrosity. you should move to canada cowpie99......where all the dungheap markist go eventually

Posted by: alecsandertheg8 | March 18, 2010 2:56 PM

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