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Does Arizona's new immigration law go too far?

A new bill signed into Arizona law by Republican Governor Jan Brewer on Friday makes it a state crime to be an illegal immigrant in the state. While the Obama administration considers its response to the new law, many critics and American citizens are striking out against the bill, urging the federal goverment to refuse illegal immigrants who are turned over to them after being identified by Arizona officers.

What do you think? Does the new Arizona law go too far, or are these measures needed to combat illegal immigration in border states?

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This law is long overdue.

Imagine, if you will, by how badly such a law is long overdue in Maryland, specifically in Montgomery County.

Posted by: thardman | April 26, 2010 4:26 PM

illegal aliens protesting a law,
only in the New Amerika...

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 26, 2010 4:32 PM

How is it "too far"? How can having someone who has committed an illegal act ("Illegal Immigrant" anyone?) be arrested for an illegal act be too far?

And as for the Congressman calling for the country not to do anything about it... there's a law against that. Time for him to go to jail for obstructing justice.

Posted by: WEWard3 | April 26, 2010 4:39 PM

what part of illegal is hard to understand? the states are forced to act when the feds don't step up to the plate Congrats to Gov. Brewer

Posted by: virginiasteel | April 26, 2010 4:39 PM

If you vote no, I know your not from AZ.

Posted by: AZSon | April 26, 2010 4:45 PM

This law does not just make illegal on the state level what is already illegal on the federal level. The federal law requires a prior infraction (eg running a red light) to stop someone, who may then be asked for proof of legal residence. The state law gives the police the power to stop anyone who simply "looks suspicious" (not otherwise defined) and ask for proof of legal presence.

Since a drivers license doesn't indicate proof of legal residence, I generally couldn't prove this if someone were to think I looked suspicious. So in Arizona I'd need to carry my passport or birth certificate whenever I went outside.

So tell me again, how is this different from "Your papers, please."?

Posted by: oboe1 | April 26, 2010 4:52 PM

Illegal means crime not race....but acorns wanting the glass slipper are voting twice and voting often.

The only difference now is that they openly tell the press they vote twice and vote often.

They seem to feel that Obama owes them the Gadson purchase and anything with Los, and San in front of it.

Good luck to the San Marcos Indians. Arizona clearly has no USA help showing up, so no one will come to save them either.

Posted by: dottydo | April 26, 2010 4:54 PM

I can understand the concerns and fears of Hispanic Americans along the border, and it is imperative that Arizona law enforcement not abuse its new powers. However, I am confident these professionals, many of whom are obviously Hispanic also, are up to the task. Unfortunately, extreme conditions call for more extreme measures. Our border is absolutely porous, and uncontrolled mass immigration--primarily from a single country, Mexico--is a longterm political, social, and cultural driver of instability.

I am liberal on many social issues, and supported the President in 2008; but if the Administration and Democratic Party attempt to thwart Arizona's attempt to get a handle on illegal immigration--especially by ramming more liberal immigration legislation through Congress in a hurried, frantic fashion--that's it for me. It's an existential issue for the United States as it has always been, and I will never support the Democratic Party again.

Posted by: gadstian | April 26, 2010 5:01 PM

I am from Arizona, I am a native. This is a bad law that vilifies Hispanics and people in general with a tan and dark hair.
This whole problem is caused solely by the employers and temp agencies who exploit illegal labor for profits, the irony is most of those illegal employers are republicans. Go after the employers of illegal aliens, shame the owners and CEO's in the public eye by posting their names in the newspapers and this problem will go away.
McCain has been on the senate for years, playing games on one hand giving a wink and a nod to illegal alien employers and on the other using the race issue as political fodder. We don't need billions and billions to secure the border we only have to remove the MAGNET, the greedy American employers. As for the drug wars, here again we miss the point, go after the bank records and real estate records and follow the drug money back to the wealthy drug lords and bankers who move the money. Both by going after the employers and the bankers in illegal labor and in the drug problem are what the republicans and the leaders of Arizona do not want to do.
Half of the employers are using illegal labor in Arizona, most are republicans run and owned.
Shame the employers and stop all the racist nonsense. The employers are the guilty party and they need their names printed in the newspaper.

Posted by: iseasygoing | April 26, 2010 5:01 PM

This is a very, very good law. It's long overdue--it's time to begin racial profiling and get illegals out of the country. We also need to seal off the borders with the U.S. Military--shoot to kill orders for those trying to illegally enter United States.

the time has come...time to get serious.

Racial Profiling needs to be made legal...ASAP!!!

Posted by: charko825 | April 26, 2010 5:03 PM


"I am so thankful to this hospital for doing this for someone who is not a citizen," she said Thursday, an interpreter translating her Spanish as she choked back tears. "Without this help, I would die and my four children would be without a mother."

Wrapped up in Berrera's expression of gratitude is a dilemma that confounds the health care professionals at the only publicly supported hospital in Las Vegas.
Since April, UMC has been spending about $2 million per month providing emergency dialysis services to 80 illegal immigrants, Brannman said.

He projects that these services at UMC could run more than $24 million in the current fiscal year.

In each of the five prior years, the hospital provided the same emergency services to half as many illegal immigrants for a little more than $1 million per month.

Brannman said the hospital receives no reimbursement from federal, state or local sources to provide this life-saving treatment for people who have entered the country illegally.

But under federal law, any patient who shows up at an emergency department requesting an examination or treatment for a medical condition must be given an appropriate medical screening to determine whether there is an emergency. If there is, treatment must be provided.

"When we're projecting a budget deficit of $70 million for fiscal year 2010, you can see that $24 million in dialysis treatment that's not reimbursed is an awfully big chunk," Brannman said.

UMC health care professionals say discussion of how to reform the nation's health care system must include how to shore up taxpayer-supported hospitals, strained to the breaking point by following the law to care for those who are breaking it.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 26, 2010 5:10 PM

Deciding which non-citizens come and go across national borders and the requirements for permanent or temporary residency are fundamental government functions. It's not something to run away from and it's not something for which the United States or any other country needs to offer an excuse or apology.

That we have millions of people living in this country illegally is proof positive of a massive failure on the part of the federal government. If it were not for that failure, if the federal government had been doing its job, then state and local governments wouldn't try to take matters into their own hands.

The very first step toward a rational immigration policy is to require most of those currently here illegally to go back to their countries of origin and not return to the United States except by legal means. Start with meeting basic obligations and the rest will be a lot easier to get done.

Posted by: Bob22003 | April 26, 2010 5:12 PM

I wish other states would follow Arizona's lead. It's badly needed and should begin without delay.

Posted by: usmc93us | April 26, 2010 5:22 PM

The law goes somewhat too far, but the following from the poll article seems a little silly, will be " a state crime to be an illegal immigrant in the state. " Aren't people who are illegal immigrants already breaking federal laws? Isn't breaking this nation's immigration laws a crime?

I suppose to many people the answers to these two questions are either no or who cares.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | April 26, 2010 5:23 PM

This situation proves the truth of the old saying: Bad cases make for bad laws. I truly do understand the frustration over the porousness of our nation's borders, but that does not justify measures such as the one Arizona has just passed.

Not only will it lead to racial profiling and false arrests, but it will do nothing to address the REAL root of the problem: the zeal of U.S. employers to exploit undocumented workers for financial gain.

Posted by: DCSteve1 | April 26, 2010 5:26 PM

I'd be perfectly fine with the law if it weren't for the fact that it makes it legal for the cops to stop anyone who "looks suspicious," without any way to quantify that. That part does go too far.

Posted by: dkp01 | April 26, 2010 5:28 PM

The problem here is establishing the grounds for suspicion on the part of law enforcement. There are illegals from all parts of the world here in the US. Once you wrap your mind around the idea that, say, a Russian could be staying here illegally,or a Sudanese, Mexican, or Chinese, it becomes difficult to see how this law can be enforced without practically stopping every person seen on the street for their passport. Does the state intend to do this, or is it going to do so by the melanin profile of the suspect?

Posted by: manchiji | April 26, 2010 5:31 PM

Since I am Aryan looking and speak with a redneck American born accent, I have nothing to fear from this step up to a police state. It's still just as wrong as can be. It's an abuse of police powers and not the way to solve an influx of Mexican workers who do the jobs white 'Zonies disdain. Secure the borders, folks.

Posted by: greyK | April 26, 2010 5:37 PM


Kick out the illegals, secure the borders...enforce the law of the land...

Obama is a moron...

Posted by: charko825 | April 26, 2010 5:45 PM

If you are a citizen you have nothing to worry about. If you are here illegally then leave or be prepared to be arrested and sent home. It's pretty simple and long over due.

Posted by: askgees | April 26, 2010 5:51 PM

The federal government has done nothing for years and the people are sick and tired of it. I don't see Janet N. spending much time around the border or having anything to do with the border states governors. The federal government is a failure.

Posted by: richard36 | April 26, 2010 5:59 PM

I'll be impressed with the non-racist character of that Arizona law when the first illegal European immigrant is deemed "reasonably suspicious" enough by the Arizona police to warrant being pulled over and asked to produce proof of his citizenship. There are well over a million of these "tourists" throughout the United States who throw their return tickets away and just melt into the crowd, with their white skins sparing them from the "reasonable" suspicion of the cops.

Posted by: andym108 | April 26, 2010 6:00 PM

that poll is a joke..if you believe that..u need help....I talked to at least 15 people about it today..and they all say Arizona had no choice..the U.S. Government is not doing nothing..

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 26, 2010 6:00 PM

Since April, UMC has been spending about $2 million per month providing emergency dialysis services to 80 illegal immigrants, Brannman said.

He projects that these services at UMC could run more than $24 million in the current fiscal year.

In each of the five prior years, the hospital provided the same emergency services to half as many illegal immigrants for a little more than $1 million per month.

Brannman said the hospital receives no reimbursement from federal, state or local sources to provide this life-saving treatment for people who have entered the country illegally.

But under federal law, any patient who shows up at an emergency department requesting an examination or treatment for a medical condition must be given an appropriate medical screening to determine whether there is an emergency. If there is, treatment must be provided.

"When we're projecting a budget deficit of $70 million for fiscal year 2010, you can see that $24 million in dialysis treatment that's not reimbursed is an awfully big chunk," Brannman said.

UMC health care professionals say discussion of how to reform the nation's health care system must include how to shore up taxpayer-supported hospitals, strained to the breaking point by following the law to care for those who are breaking it.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 26, 2010 6:03 PM

Thanks be to the Living God, that the Majority agrees with this registered Voter/Vet USAF, Graduate Student, Master's Program, Professional Studies,
East Tennessee State University!

Folks, this Republican/Law is Unconstitutional and shows all American's the true colors of the Republican party, that divides a country by race/color, and that my fellow American's is exactly what Martin L. King fought against, when he said,

Injustice anywhere in America is Injustice everywhere in America!
---M.L. King

This shows you folks just how out of step the Republican party is, and why they have ruined you but good America, be sure now you RUN and Vote Republican again!

..."This Republican Law is Injustice at it's worse, and Republicans at their best!

..."I am disgusted that such a law has been passed in America, and this is exactly why this registered Voter/Vet USAF, is against State Rights!

..."Wow America only a Republican could craft a racist/Law like this, and if that don't convince you they are racist I don't know what will!

..."True Patriotism Hates Injustice In It's Own Land,"MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE."
---Clarence Darrow

If this isn't Injustice being done to my fellow Americans who are hispanic, then what is?

Posted by: ztcb41 | April 26, 2010 6:03 PM

there are lots of crimes like kidnapping going on in arizona by drug cartel people...
arizona needs help and obama is useless...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 26, 2010 6:10 PM

So now most of the tax supported hospitals will go bankrupt and the Government will replace with Government hospitals..maybe thats the plan ...government take over of everything and your lives...

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 26, 2010 6:11 PM

"Posted by: ztcb41 | April 26, 2010 6:03 PM "

you really are a coward by not posting by your real name...
eres un cobarde y posiblemente un ilegal que no merece estar en America...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 26, 2010 6:13 PM

This is a non-scientific user poll. Results are not statistically valid and cannot be assumed to reflect the views of Washington Post users as a group or the general population.

Posted by: thardman | April 26, 2010 6:14 PM

It doesn't go far enough; martial law should be instituted.

Posted by: hared | April 26, 2010 6:19 PM

State have cooperated with the federal government for decades and things are getting worse. Thank goodness for states rights. The federal government is not the answer to all our problems and no one should think so.

Posted by: 45upnorth | April 26, 2010 6:20 PM

The violence has heightened concerns about border security, leading some to warn Washington that an election-year push for immigration legislation is premature.

Stephen Brophy, president of the Arizona Cattle Growers Association and a friend of Krentz, said any move to push for federal legislation without improving security could entice hordes of immigrants to cross into the U.S. illegally in hopes of hitting the jackpot -- a law that puts them in the clear.
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"You can't have immigration reform until you have secure borders," Brophy said Monday. "If the border is not secure, there will be a flood of them (coming) north thinking that immigration reform will legitimatize their presence here, the likes of which we've never seen."

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 26, 2010 6:20 PM

The violence has heightened concerns about border security, leading some to warn Washington that an election-year push for immigration legislation is premature.

Stephen Brophy, president of the Arizona Cattle Growers Association and a friend of Krentz, said any move to push for federal legislation without improving security could entice hordes of immigrants to cross into the U.S. illegally in hopes of hitting the jackpot -- a law that puts them in the clear.
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"You can't have immigration reform until you have secure borders," Brophy said Monday. "If the border is not secure, there will be a flood of them (coming) north thinking that immigration reform will legitimatize their presence here, the likes of which we've never seen."

Posted by: corebanks1940 | April 26, 2010 6:22 PM

If,you vote NO then your either an illegal alien yourself,or a greedy cheap labor employer of illegal aliens yourself, or your name is Barack Hussein Obama or Nancy
Pelosi that big time illegal alien employer
in California,that pretends to be Speaker of House Of Representatives,or Phil Gordon,
or your a member of LARAZ or some out of touch with reality Liberal Democrat Member
of Congress or Obamabot Kool Aid Drinker
Looney Toons Liberal and not one of the 60 to 70% of Americans the Rasmaussen and other major polls find favor the new AZ Immigation Law,and so tell me which one are
you? Or,as George W Bush said,"Either Your
For Us Or Your Against Us" and so which are
you here as well now then? And finally if
voted No then you damn sure donot live here
in Arizona and you haven't a clue about
what the Hell is going on here,just like
Comrade Barack Hussein Obama the Illegal Alien From Kenya In the White House!

Posted by: carleen09 | April 26, 2010 6:25 PM

Those of you who equate this law to be in any way, shape or form to "nazi Germany" are truly excreble. How dare you trivialize the suffering that Holocaust survivors endured? Do you even know what the Holocaust was all about? I suggest you educate yourself.

BTW, Governor Brewer waited to sign this law into effect because she wanted state employed lawyers to check and see if it could withstand a court challenge.

For those of you who think this law means that every "brown" person will be stopped as s/he goes about his/her business and asked for "papers", you are delusional. Do you really think the police have nothing better to do? Besides, you all said that would happen when Sheriff Joe announced he was going after illegals---and guess what? Nothing of the sort happened!

I'm half-Hispanic and frequently visit Maricopa County. I have never been asked for my "papers". You know why? It's because I do there what I do at home---and that's obey the laws. My Dad, who is full Hispanic, also frequently visits Maricopa County and has never had a problem. He and I will continue to visit AZ.

Read the law before you start spouting falsehoods. Or is the real problem that you deliberately choose to remain willfully ignorant?

Posted by: two4three2 | April 26, 2010 6:28 PM

This entire poll is bogus. Scientific polls show that Americans overwhelmingly support the AZ law. Illegal hispanic aliens murdered an AZ rancher on his own property, have killed others across the country, including at least three people Silver Spring and Chevy Chase. Still, politicians sit wringing their hands as though they are helpless to take action.

Never has it been more clear that Democrats care more for their party than they do Americans or their country. What horrible people.

Posted by: mclovin | April 26, 2010 6:29 PM

If you vote no, I know your not from AZ.
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Not a real American, right?

Posted by: sr31 | April 26, 2010 6:32 PM

In the early 1970s the Supreme Court held that no American Citizen can be required to carry identification. The case was Brown v. City of El Paso. This law requires, in essence, that people must carry ID to prove their citizenship. It is unconstitutional on its face because it cannot be enforced legally. If a person says that he is a citizen, and you arrest him for no proof, you have illegally and unconstitutionally seized him and the officer will be sued--and lose. And any individual who directed the officer to make this arrest is also liable under Section 1983 for violation of the citizen's civil rights.

Posted by: parislaw | April 26, 2010 6:33 PM

If you vote no, I know your not from AZ.
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Never has it been more clear that Democrats care more for their party than they do Americans or their country. What horrible people.
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Not a real Americans, like you, right?

Posted by: sr31 | April 26, 2010 6:34 PM

I wouldn't expect the liberals here to vote in favor of this new law. After all, look what they left us with in the executive office.

Posted by: dalane27 | April 26, 2010 6:55 PM

People have been pulled over and asked for ID every since there has been law enforcement in this country, so these lawsuit yellers need to give it a rest. And anyone aiding and abetting an illegal alien in Arizona is just as guilty of being illegal.

Posted by: hared | April 26, 2010 7:00 PM

The Law is way overdue seeing that the Federal governmrnt can't seem to do the job.As for Mexico helping, they can't even stop the Drug Cartels so how are they goning to help protect the border.The 55% here against is way below how we feel in Arizona.Check the polls for us that actually live here and you'll see that it's 70% for.So I hope the Promised one stays on the B-BAll court and lets our Law enforcement handle what he can't seem to get a grasp on.Go Jan!!!Oh by the way don't call me a racist,I have a friend studying to take the test to become a citizen.He's done it all by the book,why should illegals get a fast track? If my buddy can do it anyone can.You know what's interesting he supports the new law and another interesting thing he's a Mexican about to become an American.The right way!!!!

Posted by: gfowble | April 26, 2010 7:01 PM

two4three2, I'm glad to hear that you've had no problems. This gives me hope that those who are tasked with executing the law will be truly fair.

However, I also hope that you're planning on carrying your passport around with you at all times in order to prove your citizenship at a whim. If you don't have it on you, you may find yourself sitting inside a jail cell waiting for Federal Authorities to verify your status.

The law only says that the police may ask for proof of legality if they are suspicious of you, which is not defined anywhere. You may not be aware that you're acting suspiciously to someone else. Read some of the comments here, a lot of the white, blond hair - blue eyed Americans want racial profiling, meaning you're now a target. To them, simply having dark skin and dark hair is enough of a suspicion.

For legal immigrants and US citizens, the Constitution protects them in their pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness. The prospect of having to prove their legality every day or face jail time spits in the face of that very same Constitution.

There is not a single person out there that believes illegal immigration is a good thing. Along with it comes crime, gangs, drug wars, theft, and other such crimes. But this new law now puts a burden on those that ARE legal. Laws like this are not long overdue. And yes, it is akin to "Papers, please."

And with that, I wish you good luck to the fine people of Arizona. Just don't export your unconstitutional laws out to the rest of the states, okay?

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | April 26, 2010 7:02 PM

So the Federal Government has failed miserably to control the border and remove criminal aliens from Arizona, but they don't want Arizona to step into the breech of the Feds negligence to defend their own citizens either.
So let the lawsuits begin to stop the citizens of Arizona from removing this invasion from their streets.
The usual suspects don't want the laws enforced at ANY level, we get it!
When they stop the implementation of this law this summer, and they will, every citizen who becomes a victim of crimes brought on by this breakdown should join together and sue the Federal Government, LA RAZA and any loud mouthed manipulative Congressman playing politics and feeding his own ego by involving himself in Arizona State law.
This long ago should have been handled as a public safety issue.

Posted by: menopausequeen | April 26, 2010 7:06 PM

PREEMPTION OF STATE LAWS REGULATING IMMIGRATION

The Supremacy Clause of the U. S. Constitution invalidates (preempts) state laws that interfere with or are contrary to federal law (Article VI, Cl. 2). With respect to immigration-related matters, the U. S. Supreme Court has held that:

the regulation of aliens is so intimately blended and intertwined with responsibilities of the national government that where it acts, and the state also acts on the same subject, the act of Congress or treaty is supreme; and the law of the state, though enacted in the exercise of powers not controverted, must yield to it. And where the federal government, in the exercise of its superior authority in this field, has enacted a complete scheme of regulation…. states cannot, inconsistently with the purpose of Congress, conflict or interfere with, curtail or complement, the federal law, or enforce additional or auxiliary regulations.

(Hines v. Davidowitz, 312 U. S. 52 (1941)).

Posted by: boom8aid | April 26, 2010 7:07 PM

I think it's great and wish more states would follow suit...and for any legal citizen to think it's too much then I guess it's ok for some to break the law and be prosecuted and not for others like illegal immigrants??? Yes this is the land of opportunity however that's legal opportunity. And once everyone wakes up and realize there is no issue with legalized immigrants it's those who have broken the law to be here. I as a black man who have on many occassion been thought to be of hispanic backround would have no problem if I were pulled over as I know I'm legal born and raised and has broken no laws...and for all those politicians who don't want to take a stand on illegal immigrants we'll see you at election time!!!

Posted by: papaskynz | April 26, 2010 7:07 PM

That so-called "law" is waaaaaaaaay over the top. How can it possibly be Constitutional to empower the police to stop anybody and demand their "papers?" How can this "law" be enforced without racial profiling? By definition, since it's aimed solely at illegal Mexican immigrants, it requires racial profiling. If the police are going to try and enforce this without racial profiling, then if I'm in Arizona some day and a cop "suspects" I'm an illegal Polish immigrant I guess I go to jail unless I happen to carry around my duly notarized, with raised seal, birth certificate, confirming that I was born in East St. Louis, Illinois, in 1952. That may not even be enough and I'll have to dredge out a social security card I haven't laid my eyes on in 45 years as additional proof. The whole thing reeks of Nazi Germany and is completely ridiculous. Where are the Tea Partiers with their "Don't Tread On Me" flags now?

Posted by: ejs2 | April 26, 2010 7:08 PM

We are tired of being taken advantage by these illegls. The american taxpayer supports them and thier multitude of anchor babies, teach them english on the taxpayer dime, and all they do is take advantage of our kindness, generosity, and sympathy. Yet they feel they can "demand" of us? NOT. Obama care will look like a picnic compared to this issue.

Posted by: mark0004 | April 26, 2010 7:09 PM

The sovereign state of Arizona voters favor 70 to 30. That's the only poll that matters.

Posted by: hz9604 | April 26, 2010 7:14 PM

It's Reconquista time folks. When 560,000 people enter a state illegally it's generally called an invasion requiring a federal response.
To do nothing at the federal level makes a mockery of the legal immigration process and labels millions of legal immigrants as chumps.
Let Calderone collect the taxes his government is owed and then educate and provide jobs for his own people.

Posted by: NE_Nerd | April 26, 2010 7:15 PM

To Two4Three2: You're incredibly naive. A law like this gives the police the "discretion" to do whatever they like to whomsoever they like. I think Nazi Germany is a perfect comparison. I don't think that's trivializing anything and find your statement to the contrary highly insulting. Why do you think a law like this will be confined only to illegal immigrants? Unless the cops are super-intelligent and unfailingly omniscient at all times, of course "legal" residents and citizens will have their rights violated.

Posted by: ejs2 | April 26, 2010 7:16 PM

You people need to give this nazi stuff a rest as well; it's not working can't you see, it's not working. This is light years from nazism, just ask a jew who spent time under nazi rule, or in a labor or concentration camp, or who was on their way into the gas chamber before being liberated. So please give it a rest. Geez.

Posted by: hared | April 26, 2010 7:23 PM

I didn't vote in this poll basically because I don't live there and I'm not American. I agree that an inmigration law is needed but this kind of law reminds of the alemania nazi when people where asked for their papers, the problem is not the law itself but that if it's open to interpretation and that could leads into abuse of power becauase it says a person that "looks suspicious" so i just wonder how can you determine when a person looks like is in the US illegally? his tone skin, hair? If you say yes that is called racism.

And I thought I would never see that, this is a clear example of how humankind doesn't learn from their mistakes, and not to mention the other episode Arizona had with Martin Luther King day...

I think that if this spread around your country I wouldn't go on vacations again there along with a lot of other mexicans, there is always Europe right?

Just remember that people like me who has a good life thank god and doesn't need to do what this desperate people do by going to your country we are also the ones who consume a lot of things coming from the US. And I don't think this time people will seat and ignore this, there are people that are asking what comes from Arizone so they will stop buying. We are tired of insecurity and the drug war, that US is also responsible by consuming drugs. And now we have to also accept discrimination?

Just a thought.
Berenice Campos
Mexico City

P.S. I'm American because I live in the continent but... well that's for another day..

Posted by: Very_Nice | April 26, 2010 7:24 PM

ne_nerd: how exactly will the rights of Legal Immigrants be violated? They are already required to carry their "green card" with them at all times when they are outside.

How can this law interfere with the rights of American citizens? All they have to do is to show their valid Arizona driver permit or State non-driver ID. Arizona has been compliant with the requirements of the REAL-ID Act of 2005; possessing such a verifiable valid license means that you've already presented proof of citizenship and proof of current residence address when you applied.

Just show the nice policemen your papers and go on your way. Everyone has a great day, except for illegal aliens, who promptly get fined, jailed, and most importantly, DEPORTED.

That's right... I just shouted DEPORTED and smiled as I did it. Because it makes you furious.

Posted by: thardman | April 26, 2010 7:26 PM

You people need to give this nazi stuff a rest as well; it's not working can't you see, it's not working. This is light years from nazism, just ask a jew who spent time under nazi rule, or in a labor or concentration camp, or who was on their way into the gas chamber before being liberated. So please give it a rest. Geez.

Posted by: hared | April 26, 2010 7:23 PM

Is not the same, just comparing the racism... and the problem of giving to much power that can end up in abuse...

Posted by: Very_Nice | April 26, 2010 7:33 PM

Arizona is America's shame. They may have pleased racist group leaders and 'tea party' psychos, but they are now exposed to the nation for what they really are. This law needs to be reversed. The Arizona legislators are descendents of the worst illegal aliens in history: murderers, rapists, conquerers, and criminals from Europe.

Posted by: revbookburn | April 26, 2010 7:34 PM

This law was very needed. What part of illegal do they not understand? The only ones that should have a problem with it shouldnt be here anyway.

I have served my nation and I am personally insulted by those that think just because they are here and contribute nothing should get all the rights that citizens do, yet do nothing to earn them.

Posted by: jondercik1 | April 26, 2010 7:35 PM

It is clear that the people who say that Arizona police can just stop someone and demand papers have NOT read the law. It requires that the police have a reasonable reason to stop someone, which they must have now. It allows police to ask for ID, something that can already do. There are many ID's besides a passport or birth certificate that can prove citizenship. This law does not add anything to federal law and although it does mirror federal law in part, it does not say who can or can not be admitted for legal residence or visit. It does not allow the state to deport or in anyway cause someone to lose legal residence. So all the BS that is spouted here is just that. And for the people who say that the law should go after people and companies that hire illegals, this law does.

Posted by: rchayes | April 26, 2010 7:37 PM

The complaints about who can possibly have the ability to apply reasonable suspicion ignores completely that ICE and the Border Patrol have been using reasonable suspicion for years when deciding whether or not to detain a "suspicious" person. But only after Arizona passed a law that requires state officials there to apply the same sense of reason, have the pro amnesty and other pro illegal alien forces started screaming about it. If Feds can use reasonable suspicion without all the abuse the whiners here are conjecturing out of thin air, law enforcement professionals in Arizona will too.

Posted by: infuse | April 26, 2010 7:42 PM

Arizona is practicing hatred politics. Other successful examples of this kind of politics: Hitler's Germany, Fidel Castro's Cuba, Hugo Chávez's Venezuela, and just about all the Third World dictators.

Posted by: Ferrelocha | April 26, 2010 7:54 PM

Let's sell Arizona back to Mexico

Posted by: fleeciewool | April 26, 2010 7:54 PM

Oh, I'll be for this when they start rounding up the illegal Irish just as assiduously -- although they'd have to round up a lot of white people to do that, and, well, in Arizona, that's not going to happen.

I'll wait patiently to see the first company indicted for hiring illegals too. Anyone who thinks that's likely to be enforced, well . . .

Posted by: DaveinNorthridge | April 26, 2010 8:22 PM

Arizona is trying to protect it's citizens. Unfortunatly, they are being forced to pass this law because the Federal Government has refused to protect the citizens of Arizona; ex the ranchman that was killed on his own property. Illegal is the key word in all of this rhetoric. When did this every become acceptable to break the law and be illegal in this country. If American's would consider illegal immigrant as braking the law, than we would never need these extreme methods, but we are considering them equal to being an American Citizen. They need to become an American legally not illegally.

Posted by: myopinion15 | April 26, 2010 8:23 PM

EJS2---Wow! You certainly have shown that you are beneath contempt. Have you even been to the Holocaust Museum? Do you even know what happened during the Holocaust? How dare you trivialize the suffering Holocaust survivors endured. I am NOT naive, you, however, are truly ignorant! The law says that police have the right to check someone's legal status should that person be stopped. And then what do you think will happen? Do you think they will be hauled off to the gas chambers? The concentration camp? BTW, you do realize that you sound like a fool, don't you? Do you live in AZ? If so, you are free to move to a sanctuary state. You truly are unbelievable.

As for Clandestineblaze --- you are extremely paranoid, aren't you? I have no reason to ever think I would be stopped and hauled off to jail. Don't project your worries onto me. It appears that, for some delusional reason, this law has you shaking in your boots. Why? Do you routinely disobey the law? Give me some examples of what someone would do that isn't obvious to the average person that would cause the police to be suspicious. As for "papers please" --- You know darn well that is a bogus argument. If you are stopped for speeding, you will be asked for your "papers" (driver's license, proof of registration, proof of insurance). When you conduct a non-ATM transaction at a bank, you will be asked for ID. If you want to write a check for a store purchase, you will have to show ID. And as for carrying around a passport or a copy of your birth certificate at all times, if it makes you feel better, no one is stopping you from doing so.

Again, to you and EJS2---do you really think that police have nothing better to do than stopping random people on the street and ask for "papers"? Do you really think that the AZ state and local governments are so flush with money that they can waste valuable resources on such nonsense?

Posted by: two4three2 | April 26, 2010 8:25 PM

Stop voting for congressional representatives and senators that refuse to legislate and the federal government might protect your interests. You hamstring the government and then complain when the government doesn't do its job. What a bunch of fools. This law is racist, simple as that. Of course some white people support it. They know they aren't the ones that are going to have to prove their citizenship despite the fact there are plenty of canadians and europeans over here illegally AND working. This is disgusting and the nazis amongst us have gone too far this time.

Posted by: onifadee | April 26, 2010 8:29 PM

BTW, to all you hysterics --- Sherrif Joe has been routinely rounding up illegals and yet Hispanic residents go about their daily business every single day. They're not constantly looking over their shoulders and don't freak out when a MCSO vehicle drives by them. Doubt it? Then you've never been to Maricopa County. To hear you all tell it, you would think that anyone who looks Hispanic runs for cover everytime such a vehicle passes by. Get a grip, will you all?

You do know that Oklahoma passed a similar law a few years ago and that it has withstood court challenges. I haven't heard about police in OK routinely stopping people on the street and demanding "papers", have you? If you have heard this, please post a credible link.

If you feel sorry for the illegals in AZ, then go adopt a few illegal alien families. Take them into your home. Offer to pay for their moving expenses. Once they're in your home, feed, clothe and shelter them. You're so worried about them, aren't you? So when do you plan to adopt some?

Posted by: two4three2 | April 26, 2010 8:34 PM

Arizona is on the front lines of the illegal immigration war. Overrun by gangs, violence, and crime the citizens of Arizona are demanding recourse. As the federal government has turned a blind eye to the problems, the people of Arizona are compelled to act. Over 70% of Arizonans favor this legislation. There is nothing in this law about hatred, it's just about enforcing existing border and immigration laws.

The Constitution is not a suicide pack and it's time that we start defending citizens' rights.

Posted by: freepost | April 26, 2010 8:37 PM

Bravo two4three2 - you've uncovered the liberal hypocrites. I don't see any of them sending their b-mers or mercedes down to Arizona to pick up a couple of illegals, giving the illegals a place to live, and sending the illegals' kids to elite private schools. Liberals are only liberal with other peoples lives and money.

Posted by: freepost | April 26, 2010 8:44 PM

Well, its pretty clear that the Tequila Party movement doesn't care about "civil rights" violations at all. If they did, they wouldn't be engaged in hate speech and they wouldn't be throwing projectiles at the white supremacists.

You won't see a more unruly mob anywhere than the out of control Tequila Party Movement.

Posted by: magellan1 | April 26, 2010 8:49 PM

And a Bravo back at you, Freepost! Thank you! These invasion cheerleaders/open border fanatics/bleeding hearts that have posted in this thread are acting like a bunch of paranoid raving lunatics! I'm betting most have never set foot in AZ either! However, what's clear is two things: 1) They haven't read the bill and; 2) They have no idea what occured during the Holocaust. If they did, they wouldn't be equating this law with "nazi Germany".

Posted by: two4three2 | April 26, 2010 8:52 PM

That's funny. I thought the GOP hated things that are 'unconstitutional'. Just one more thing to be hypocritical about...

Posted by: distance88 | April 26, 2010 8:54 PM

I generally come down on the liberal side of most issues, but I agree with Arizona's law. Illegal aliens are breaking Federal law, but the feds won't do anything about it. The President (who I voted for) and Congress (both Democrats and Republicans) continue to sit on their hands on the illegal immigration issue. How long has it been discussed?

Arizona suffers disproportionately from the Federal Government's neglectful attitude on illegal immigration. No wonder they've taken the situation into their own hands; if they wait for the feds to address it, they would still be waiting in 2100.

Illegal immigration helps the wealthy (who get cheap servants) as well as illegal immigrants who don't want to bother with entering the country legally. Illegal immigration hurts the working poor and the middle class. It our immigration system makes it too difficult for people from Mexico to enter the country legally, then let's CHANGE THE SYSTEM! And let's start enforcing the OUR laws.

Posted by: patriot17 | April 26, 2010 9:18 PM

The Arizona law adds nothing new but restates existing Federal law. People who live near the border in Texas are often asked to produce ID and asked citizenship by border patrol. If you have nothing to hide, what difference does it make? You must produce ID to cash a check or when you buy something with a credit card or if you are stopped in a driver license highway check. If you do not drive, it is easy to get a state ID card with photo. This is argument of being intrusive is just dumb. We have a virtual bloodbath at our southern border. We are having thousands beheaded, knifed, or shot and not just on the other side of the border. You think these little thugs are going to stay on their side? Why these drug mules are moving to a neighborhood near you. Obama is helping them with a mortgage, with health care, with an education and promising amnesty and all on the taxpayers dime. And to thank you for your warm hospitality, he will sell drugs to your kids. So thank Obama for sitting on his hands and wanting to profit politically from this mess.

Posted by: greatgran1 | April 26, 2010 9:19 PM

ermm...Distance88?...what exactly is "unconstitutional"? Are you talking about the new AZ law? Have you even read it? You do know that before Governor Brewer signed it into law, she had state employed lawyers go over it to see if it could withstand a court challenge.

Posted by: two4three2 | April 26, 2010 9:20 PM

The hispanics are mad at the wrong people. They should be mad at the illegals who are coming in that are causing the problems. If the legals know of illegals or are harboring the illegals then they to are part of the problem. What disturbs me is when illegals come to this country and began to march and demand rights. The lawbreakers should be in jail or at home on the other side of the boarder. Come back when you become legal then start marching. If you are illegal you have committed a crime, you are a criminal like breaking and entering my house uninvited and using my resources.

Posted by: matrox | April 26, 2010 9:22 PM

Most Americans of all ethic back grounds are ask for I.D. when stop by the police, if you have a problem with that applying to you, then you have something to hide, are feel that you are above the law's of this Nation.

Posted by: xthat | April 26, 2010 9:23 PM

Get rid of all Illegals! Do you know how all the big business they generate in identity theft schemes?? They are a big problem. One just got caught in Wheaton, Md. the other day after stabbing and killing a man over a traffic accident. Clean them out!

Posted by: pt1836metz | April 26, 2010 9:30 PM

for the folks who voted that it goes too far, how many have read the law?

--Spoiler--
It simply enforces the Federal law that exists. It also states that it's illegal to profile...which means any state official that does so is subject to criminal and civil charges.

So where's your beef?

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Posted by: jiankango | April 26, 2010 9:47 PM

The law is needed, in fact I heard on the radio that Md. is looking at a similar law. When the hispanics first started coming here I truly enjoyed there company, it was a pleasure having them here, at least that's what I was thinking when I thought they were here just visiting, but then I found that they were never leaving. I friend of mine's wife has a relative like that. This guy moved in and won't leave and my friends wife just keeps making excuses for the freeloader because he is family.

Posted by: BeaverCleavage | April 26, 2010 10:01 PM

Hey, this law forces Arizona cops to go way beyond arresting folks for 'driving while black.' It criminalizes 'breathing while brown.'

Posted by: chuck8 | April 26, 2010 10:09 PM

Hey, this law forces Arizona cops to go way beyond arresting folks for 'driving while black.' It criminalizes 'breathing while brown.'

Posted by: chuck8 | April 26, 2010 10:11 PM

Even setting aside the very serious constitutional issues with this law, the idea that anyone in the US could be held in jail for not having papers should be repugnant to anyone who values personal freedom. How is it that so many in favor of this measure also fear and decry anything that could be considered to be a national identity card? Is it that hypocrisy wrapped in racism?

Posted by: demostheneswashdc | April 26, 2010 10:14 PM

Allowing police to stop you and ask for proof of citizenship -- This sounds like the a fascist country. What about preserving our freedoms. This will not stop illegal immigration. Illegal immigratipn is an economic problem without easy solutions.

Posted by: anneathomas | April 26, 2010 10:16 PM

SWEEP THEM OUT

Posted by: rusty3 | April 26, 2010 10:17 PM

What used to set America apart from most every other country is that, in America, you didn't need to carry "papers" with you at all times.

This law marks the end of that particular piece of American exceptionalism.

And what's really nauseating about this is that there wouldn't be hardly any illegal immigration into this country if American businesses bothered to verify employment eligibility. But in this country, business owners buy and sell politicians by the dozen, so instead of reasonable and effective enforcement of employment laws, we get crazily overbroad populist crowdpleasers like this Arizona law, that stomps all over the rights of innocent citizens.

Posted by: 12008N1 | April 26, 2010 10:19 PM

Traveling to Phoenix? Better do it before this law goes into effect.

The vice-mayor of the city has told the Phoenix police that they better check the papers of everyone whose path they cross while on duty, otherwise Phoenix will certainly be sued. If Phoenix is sued, it will cost the city, whether the city wins or loses the suit. Since Phoenix's finances currently are 'fragile', it almost would certainly mean that the city would need to raise taxes, especially if the city loses a lawsuit or two (or three or four or . . . .

Oh, and has been pointed out, a driver's license is not an indication that a person is documented or not.

Remember, when the police asks 'Papars please', you'll need a birth certificate or a passport or credit card statement or whatever the policeman chooses that day for 'proof' that you are documented. Sounds like a case for a NATIONAL ID CARD !! (I understand the TEA BAGGERs are 'agin' that . . . .)

Posted by: critter69 | April 26, 2010 10:30 PM

There's this cool thing called the fourth amendment, I suggest you look it up.

Posted by: dmet | April 26, 2010 10:31 PM

Posted by: BeaverCleavage -
I heard on the radio that Md. is looking at a similar law.

That will NEVER happen in Maryland. Neither Governor Martin O'Money nor the MD General Asylum would even consider it. They want more, more, more dem voters!

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | April 26, 2010 10:35 PM


Best thing to do would be to challenge the law and see what the SCOTUS has to say. Stop the talk, start collecting the funds to take it to court, which probably can't be done until it goes into effect (90 days I think).

Posted by: dotellen | April 26, 2010 10:43 PM

dmet wrote:

Posted by: BeaverCleavage -
I heard on the radio that Md. is looking at a similar law.

That will NEVER happen in Maryland. Neither Governor Martin O'Money nor the MD General Asylum would even consider it. They want more, more, more dem voters!

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But illegal aliens can't vote!

Well, except in Maryland, and other sanctuary States that have the "motor voter" law which automatically registers voters... without ever checking to see if they're citizens of the United States.

Maybe that explains the evil African b45tard who took my e-vote plaque from me and handed it off to the Canadian "plant" who pocketed it and doubtless disposed of it without recording the vote. Hey, if you don't check immigration status before enrolling the applicant in a political party, this is what you get: a Nigerian Scam at the voter booth. Get used to it, Maryland. But remember, ARIZONA GIVES HOPE TO THE USA.

Posted by: thardman | April 26, 2010 11:19 PM

To TWO4THREE2: I know all about the Holocaust. Among other things, I've read Daniel Goldhagen's "Hitler's Willing Executioners," which describes how seemingly "normal" Germans, people like you and me, were induced to commit, willingly, the most horrible, subhuman atrocities. I strongly feel that we must safeguard our Constitutional rights against all foes, foreign and domestic. I repeat, this law is blatantly unconstitutional and smacks of Nazi Germany. It's also dangerous because it seems to have a great deal of surface appeal to people who are so deathly afraid of illegal immigrants that they're willing to give up their rights so easily.

Posted by: ejs2 | April 26, 2010 11:28 PM

I commend AZ for trying to do something, even if it's unpopular among the illegals, to contain its escalating problem with its border. I am a LEGAL immigrant and have worked hard all my adult life to provide for my children. I resent having to support health care for illegals with my hard-earned money, and resent the rising crimes among illegals. It's obvious that the U.S. is a friend to its southern neighbor and are pretty lax about all illegal crossings so AZ has a right to do something about it.
I also find it offensive that illegals protesting this law are given so much weight. Politicians are afraid of losing their votes? their illegal votes?

Posted by: PotomacMom | April 26, 2010 11:30 PM

I live in Arizona. I am a Caucasian. This law is horrific.
It is unconstitutional, and it's unenforceable. It is against the First Amendment freedom of association; anyone picking up a person on the street, be it acquaintance or day worker, could be questioned under this law. (It would be a crime to pick up a person to work for you under this bill.) It is certainly against the Fourth Amendment equal protection under the law, because a person of color would be inevitably singled out in practice.
The law is unenforceable. If it were implemented absolutely the way it was written, and all we Caucasians were stopped as well, the law would grind courts to a halt. And that would be due to all the lawsuits that would be filed. The problem is that people born in this country DON'T usually carry around birth certificates, passports, or social security cards. So I cannot prove that I am a U.S. citizen or in this country legally.
Mr. or Ms. fellow Caucasian, if someone were to demand right now that you show them your papers, could you do it?

Posted by: peck3 | April 26, 2010 11:43 PM

ESJ2 wrote, in part:

I repeat, this law is blatantly unconstitutional and smacks of Nazi Germany. It's also dangerous because it seems to have a great deal of surface appeal to people who are so deathly afraid of illegal immigrants that they're willing to give up their rights so easily.

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This law is far from unconstitutional, go read Article IV Section 4. If the Federal government cannot act, the State legislators can and must, and if they cannot, the State Governor can and must act. The only surprise is that it took this long.

We are Invaded, we are at War; the measures being undertaken are those we reasonably expect and expectantly demand from those we elected not merely to represent, but to defend us.

We shall fight them in the streets, we shall fight them in the hedgerows, we shall fight them in the WaPo comments sections and we shall fight them in the elections booths because NOVEMBER IS COMING and it's not just November: it's WINTER, a cold harsh WINTER IS COMING and many there are who shall find themselves on the streets with every door barred against them. Muchacho, you are going home, to your homeland, not staying in ours. You can scream and lie all you can, and we shall never believe you, never hearken to the least of your lies, we shall not be fooled, we shall not be swayed, WE SHALL NOT BE MOVED but get this through your heads. YOU WILL BE LEAVING SOON headfirst or feet first, your decision buddy, quite frankly we are just plain tired of you and don't care which way you go, SO LONG AS YOU DO.

Gentlemen and ladies, it's time to get on out and work a wicked mojo with the conqueror root. Nobody suffers more than the Black Citizens from the illegals stealing jobs, forming gangs, and corrupting police and politicians. Take it to the streets but take it to the back alley first. Time to show a show most folks won't see... but them as it there not gonna just show it and the folks who get shown it all gonna know it. Make it so all summer long.

And then WINTER IS COMING.

Southern Man, get the f()ck home.

Posted by: thardman | April 26, 2010 11:47 PM

The problem is that there is nothing inherently evil or bad about being an "illegal" immigrant. Just because the law says it is illegal for a slave to run away (as was the law in 1860), doesn't mean the slave who runs away should be penalized. The way people talk about immigrants who sneak into this country, sounds just like people in the old days complaining about how Black people keep breaking the law by trying to run away, and that they should be punished, rounded up, and returned to their owners. The deeper issue isn't whether immigrants are "breaking the law" just by trying to seek a better life, but whether our immigration system and policies are fair and make sense (just like whether slavery was fair and made sense). We ought to be punishing the employers who employ "illegal" aliens, and not pass some after the fact legislation (when there is already a huge number of "illegals" here) that will make a bad situation worse.

Posted by: xandersun | April 26, 2010 11:50 PM

If the existing laws were enforced there would be no need for a state law. Why aren't employers of illegal aliens fined and jailed?

Posted by: 1observer | April 26, 2010 11:52 PM

The actual effect of the new law is that Mayors will not be able to tell their police chiefs to not enforce our immigration laws. It does not give any new power to police forces. Also, the law gives Arizonans legal standing to sue the state or any local government which fails to enforce our immigration laws. In other words, it protects the rights of Arizona's citizens.

Posted by: allamer1 | April 27, 2010 12:08 AM

Really, THARDMAN, quoting Winston Churchill about fighting some cockamamie "war" against illegal immigrants? Now that's highly objectionable and trivializing.

Posted by: ejs2 | April 27, 2010 12:42 AM

xandersun wrote, in part:


[...] We ought to be punishing the employers who employ "illegal" aliens, and not pass some after the fact legislation (when there is already a huge number of "illegals" here) that will make a bad situation worse.

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You're right. We should pass after-the-fact legislation mandating a firing squad excution without trial for anyone hiring an illegal alien. That would solve the problem, is that what you are saying?

But you know what? It's far more Constitutional to simply remove the illegal aliens under extant law, rather than write a new unconstitutional law. So let's get busy: they crossed the border illegally, let's send them back legally. All done and done in a good way... but for those who profit by trafficking human beings across the border like the old-school slave traders?

An undiscovered grave in the desert seems about reasonable. If you want to make a reference to the old Slave Traders we can make such a reference as well, fool.

Slave Traders across the border? They deserve a trip through a wood chipper and to have their skulls hung on the border from wooden pikes with their face bones smashed. This would be a warning: take money to move an indentured servant across the border, and you will get a bayonet through the nose and a rifle-butt in the same place. Vultures will have your bones. Your golden slaver teeth will glint in the sun as a warning. Move people illegally across the US border for profit, and children will laugh as they knock down your last monument and play futbol with your skull.

Are you getting the idea that maybe by now you should shut up? Porque no tu callas muchacho?


Posted by: thardman | April 27, 2010 12:49 AM

EJS2 astroturfed:

Really, THARDMAN, quoting Winston Churchill about fighting some cockamamie "war" against illegal immigrants? Now that's highly objectionable and trivializing.

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One man or woman is trivial.

a million persons per year for 15 years is not trivial.

who comes as an invited guest is welcome

who comes as an invader must be repelled

who has come to lead an INVASION must be found and destroyed

Good luck with reaching the age to collect your retirement. But you are already wealthy from dealing in contraband human cargo, no?

The government needs cash. Perhaps you will continue to make remarks and to lead us to your very taxable accounts? Speak more and expect seizures. Our law says you don't even need to be convicted, just arrested, and everything you own is OURS.

Please continue to post here. Help us find you.


Posted by: thardman | April 27, 2010 12:55 AM

You have to take risks in this life to accomplish what needs to be done. Someone in Arizona finally stepped up (accompanied by John McCain, no doubt inspired by someone else's courage). Even if there are "excesses," the point is to take the first step.

Well done, AZ. You've made me proud today.

Posted by: april3 | April 27, 2010 12:59 AM

To THARDMAN: In the words of Archie Bunker, "Hauhrh?!" You'd better take your medications.

Posted by: ejs2 | April 27, 2010 1:09 AM

For folks who think it is unjust to have to carry identification, there is RFID technology on the horizon that can be implanted in your cellphone, IPod or other device. Officers could hold readers to check your ID in a non-invasive fashion, and only move in to make an arrest if the chip doesn't check out.

Posted by: april3 | April 27, 2010 1:15 AM

The new law doesn't go far enough. I wonder how many mexicans voted no on this. Why can't these illegal people understand our laws. Become a legal citizen or get out of America. Is that simple enough. Live here, work here, pay taxes here. Nothing is free here for any of us so why should it be free for you?

Posted by: randykree | April 27, 2010 1:25 AM

You realize, right, that the people of Arizona will be required to pay for the housing, food, and well being of your scourge of illegal aliens while they serve their six month trespassing sentence? It may just be worth it to get caught, serve the sentence, get deported (if ICE cooperates), and come back through the porous border to get another six months of free room and board.

Posted by: owyhee | April 27, 2010 1:26 AM

I wish we had a law like this in Maryland. It makes me really wonder what the illegal immigrants in Arizona are thinking...marching and demanding their "rights" when they disregarded the law in the first place.

It seems to me that the citizens of the United States have every right to defend their borders from a massive influx of illegal immigrants, most of whom need taxpayer funded services and help to live here.

I usually support Obama and the Democratic party, but not on this issue. In fact, I just don't understand the value proposition here.

Maryland, and in particular, Montgomery County, is overrun with too many immigrants.

Why do I, as a native born American, have to like all of this? And if I don't, does that make me racist?

I have compassion for the poor but the federal government has chosen to ignore the impact of immigration on its own citizens, and enforce its own laws.

Wake up America!

Posted by: lizzard2 | April 27, 2010 1:37 AM

There is one thing that just baffles me about the conservative position on this. I keep hearing that the government is intruding in people's lives, that you want less intrusive government, the government is taking away your liberties, and so on. I don't agree, but I understand your position. But then a law is passed that is more intrusive on personal liberty than has been passed in decades, giving the police the right to stop you and demand that you prove you're a citizen. That's what happens in police states, people. Do you really want to give this power to the government? If you hate and mistrust the current administration so much, what's to say from your point of view that YOU won't be stopped and arrested because you acted "suspiciously" at a Tea Party rally or something?

Posted by: rollingwoods | April 27, 2010 1:39 AM

"Show me your papers."

A sinister, primitive demand, straight out of the darkest hour of European history. First it was the NRA gun lunatics. Then the tea baggers. Now, this disgusting immigration bill. Slowly but surely, fascism is coming to America. Don't think it can happen? It has already happened.

Posted by: irkulyen | April 27, 2010 1:52 AM

There are evidently a lot of clueless East Coast sorts voting here, because, if they lived in the West, where this problem exists, the sentiment would overwhelmingly be that the Arizona law doesn't go far enough. I live in rural Oregon and we are overrun with illegals. They break into homes when you are at work, they steal your mail and your identity, their children form gangs and push meth and heroin and other drugs, terrorizing our children at parks and playgrounds, and those gangs will invade your home in the evening, terrorize your family, beat you up or kill you. Every household is armed. I have a shot gun by my bed and literally carry a 45 automatic behind my back in my own home. At the local main shopping mall witnessing gang members selling drugs out of their cars is an every day occurrence. No woman in her right mind would even think of exiting through the back of the mall after dark - you would be lucky if you were merely raped and robbed. The less violent ones take any and every job. Local manufacturing jobs have been in a downward spiral to where you make less than $10 an hour working on the assembly line at our local RV plants. And you can just forget about construction, nursery work, hoe-daddy (tree planter), any unskilled job. Those jobs usually pay below minimum wage, under the table. Our hospital went bankrupt because of the number of unpaid emergency room visits and our schools are a mess, forced by federal law to supply ESL classes, translators for classroom newsletters, parent-teacher conferences, every encounter. And this doesn't even begin to address the outlandish special needs costs, the 45 students in a single kindergarten classroom. None of this, of course, is covered by the federal government and collecting local taxes from the illegals is a joke. Most are so impoverished and desperate that they are lucky to be able to have a roof over their heads and eat one meal a day. We're under assault, invaded by an alien army, trapped in our own homes by enormous numbers of desperate people who heard that our government was going to grant them legal status if they just wait around long enough, just survive long enough. You clueless East coast liberals think these illegal hordes are somehow more deserving of jobs, protection, schools, social services, rights, than actual U.S. citizens. Congress, both sides, think they are scoring some sort of political points by using these people, by pitting them against us. Right about now, if "immigration reform" amounts to anything other than rounding up the ones we have now and deporting them, succession from the union, even if it means an all out civil war, sounds like a bargain.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | April 27, 2010 2:31 AM

Sickening. Arizona, the first brown armband state.

Posted by: ssterno | April 27, 2010 2:31 AM

I live in Washington State and we have a big problem with illegal immigrants crossing our border from Canada, taking good jobs from American citizens; jobs like working at convenience stores and gas stations during the graveyard shift, working in the apple orchards picking the apples (taking away high paying jobs), the Canadian women taking jobs working in hotels changing the bedding and other high paying jobs, jobs that American women need to put food on the table.
You can tell someone is a Canadian by the funny way that they talk, with their eh, and abot (instead of the American pronunciation of about), and their use of the word bum instead of the good ole American word for rear end.
And then they have the audacity to send some of their money home to their families in Canada so that they can live the high life. I definitely think that our state needs to pass a law similar to Arizona to keep out the Canadian riffraff. Oh, wait a minute, a similar law was passed by the federal government 68 years ago to round up and control illegal immigrants from another country, Japan, and as I recall it was finally declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, and the US government issued an apology for its actions. Maybe we are going to see history repeat itself.

Posted by: RandyRRR | April 27, 2010 2:50 AM

RANDYRRR _ Actually, as has been reported in the Washington state newspapers, there have been raids and *thousands* of complaints lodged about Mexican illegals operating chop shops in Seattle, Mount Vernon, Burlington, Bellingham, Yakima, Walla Walla, etc. In Washington, a house painter made an average of $20 an hour ten years ago. Now, it some illegals operating out of the back of a truck who may or may not finish the job before getting skittish and heading for the next town. Yakima, Kennewick and all of those other communities I mention, have an average of one homicide a night, now. They have murder and violent crime rates, per 100,000 population, that makes Chicago's gang violence look tame... all because a few irresponsible loudmouthed liberals like yourself pass themselves off as "expert spokesmen" for the people who have to actually liv with the mess you create.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | April 27, 2010 3:01 AM

So, EJS2---You think we will all be "induced to commit the most horrible subhuman atrocities". Such as what? Geez! You are getting hysterical in your rants!

This law is unconstitutional? Really? If you actually read the law, you would realize that it just parrots existing federal laws. Not only did AZ have a well-known lawyer craft the law that way but before Governor Brewer signed it into law, she had state employed lawyers check it to see if it would withstand a court challenge. Methinks you protest too much. You act like this was done frivously. BTW, Oklahoma has had a similar law on its books for the past few years and it has withstood court challenges. Hispanic people who are American citizens and legal immigrants continue to live in OK and go about their business with no worries or fears.

I bet you were one of the excreble people who screamed "nazis!" when Sherrif Joe said he was going after illegals. No doubt in your hysteria you thought he and his deputies would stop random Hispanic looking people on the street and say "your papers!" Well, well, well...the MCSO continues to round up illegal aliens on a daily basis. And guess what? Law abiding Hispanics go about their business everyday in Maricopa County without a worry.

Arizonans overwhelmingly wanted this law. CBS news interviewed a Hispanic legislator who voted for the law. He voted for it because he saw the problems illegal aliens and a wide open border have caused the state. Mr. Montenegro is also well aware that his constituents wanted something done.

I guess you believe in open borders and uncontrolled illegal immigration. You also seem to think that illegals should be above the law. If so, you are disgraceful!

You people who scream "nazis" really need to get a grip! Shame on you all!

Posted by: two4three2 | April 27, 2010 3:13 AM

First, to suggest that the federal gov't refuse to accept individuals found by Arizona to be in the country illegally is to suggest that the federal gov't abrogate its responsibilities. one of the rationals for the law was that the federal gov't was not doing enough. I fail to see how this makes any sense. However, to interogate people or ask them for "proper identification" based upon suspicion of being an illegal because of their appearance or speech is not something I can agree with.

It is said that the primary reasons why persons immigrate illegally, overstay visas, etc. is economic. What seems needed is an database that ensures that those hired for work be documented citizens or are otherwise authorized for U.S. employment. Yes, I know there is supposedly already such a system but it is inneffectual.

Every nation has laws regarding immigration and entrance of foriegners into the nation, and in each case there are ways enter legally or illegally depending on the indivudal national laws. In regards to America it does come down to enforcement. A start would be to enforce employment laws with severe enough penalties for their violation that it is not worth the risk. I am not talking about workplace raids, particularly since they appear mostly for television news consumption and political posturing(See, we're having a crackdown on this problem which is the cause of so much national difficulty, blah, blah, blah). Wouldn't solve the entire problem but would be a start.

As for the activities of mexican drug cartels, how's that war on drugs working for you. Prohibition breeds greater profits. Greater profits in an illegal activity breeds violence to secure those profits. If I try to hone in on your share, what are you gonna do, call the cops?

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | April 27, 2010 4:11 AM

This law is strictly political.

Republicans are catering to the hatred of the white majority.

If Republicans really wanted to stop illegal immigration they would also pass the same law in Florida. Illegals are illegals, no matter if they're from Mexico, Cuba, Panama, Guatemala, Colombia, Costa Rica, Bahamas or even China.

The reason Republicans won't pass the same law to stop illegals coming into Florida is because there are too many Latinos who would vote them out of office.

If Cubans Latinos are given different treatment from Mexican Latinos, it is discrimination due to place of origin.

Posted by: creation | April 27, 2010 4:26 AM

The feds have failed to protect American citizens from having their identities stolen by illegal aliens. The SSA and IRS acknowledge that 7 million of the 12 million illegal aliens are using stolen SSNs.

Identity theft is a felony. Those that have illegally come here, stolen our IDs and broken numerous other laws have already proven they are not welcome in the USA. All others who play the rules are welcome.

Posted by: hunter340 | April 27, 2010 5:22 AM

Of course there will be racial profiling. Modernity has made things more complicated. During WWII if someone looked Japanese you shot them. Now for all the brown people here you cannot tell who amongst us is the Mexican invader. But if he is short,male,with jet Black hair, and speaking one of the Indian languages of Chiapas chances are he's not from New Jersey.

Posted by: werowe1 | April 27, 2010 5:51 AM

The Arizona law is basically doing the job the federal government won't. It essentially makes breaking the federal law illegal and allows our cops to do the enforcement the US refuses to do.

Given that 75% of us nationwide believe the government isn't properly securing our borders and 56% of us believe US policies are actually encouraging illegal immigration according to Rasmussen Reports (http://bit.ly/b7vM8s) it's overdue. And there are lots more numbers at the link showing likely voters want the government to enforce the laws already on the books.

Besides the overwhelming property destruction we have lots of deaths by illegal aliens here in Arizona. Four of the last seven law enforcement officer deaths are at the hands of illegal aliens and many, many innocent civilians as well. Phoenix is now the kidnapping capital of the world and ID theft in Arizona is among the highest if not the highest in nation.

There won't be any racial profiling because we have professional LEOs who do their jobs well. And the only reason someone legal might need anything more than a drivers license would be if s/he was from a state that issued licenses to illegal aliens and there were other reasons to doubt legal status.

We have hundreds of guest worker programs so anyone working without proper documentation is working for someone who should be incarcerated for a long time and paying a hefty fine.

Nor are there really jobs "Americans don't want." Believe me I scrubbed plenty of toilets and cleaned plenty of motel rooms to pay for my education. And before that my Dad was the fastest fruit picker in Yakima and everywhere else he went. In Colorado even highly degreed people found they really enjoy farm work.

We don't need any new laws, we need our current laws enforced as was promised when the last amnesty/reform law was passed.

Posted by: cactus-wren | April 27, 2010 6:39 AM

Please review the poll numbers on the informal "yes" the law is needed, "no" the law is not needed, to ensure factual results.

Posted by: twopadulas | April 27, 2010 8:32 AM

I can understand why arizona has passed this bill ......the federal goverment has done little to protect the citizens...creating yet another amenesty/reform bill will not help at all....with all due respect to latinos the citizens of the US do not want this to become another south america !

Posted by: cmt138 | April 27, 2010 8:38 AM

Your poll numbers are a lie. Even the readers of the Washington Post deserve the truth. The majority of people in this country support "legal" immigration. What ever the political reason the former as well as the present administration may have (obviously votes as well as under the table money)the laws concerning immigration at both the state as well as the federal level is clear----(If you are in the US without legal permission--you are breaking the law)Obviously, anyone who can read the law should be able to understand the end results desired.

Posted by: twopadulas | April 27, 2010 8:42 AM

WE need to pressure Mexico to take care of their own people. Bill Mexico for the healthcare and education taken out of remittances. Mexico likes to push their problems on us. It is even more difficult to immigrate to Mexico. Let's have equal immigration.

Posted by: susancanyon1 | April 27, 2010 9:20 AM

There is a right way and a wrong way to do immigration reform and Arizona has managed to pick the wrong way. The fact that it is applauded by the usual array of WAPO bigots is an indication of how overreaching and wrongheaded this law is.

Posted by: LABC | April 27, 2010 10:23 AM

America is being inundated with unskilled, poorly educated, foreign language speaking, and impoverished migrants from south of our border. Border states are in a states of chaos. Drugs, gangs, crime, disease, and violence are on the rise.

This is just the tip of the iceberg for the good ship America and we must put a dead stop to it now. Arizona is leading the way for anti-illegal immigration reform. America already has very good immigration laws. They just need to be enforced.

And, stop promising the outlaw immigrants AMNESTY. That has been tried and has been shown to be a miserable failure. Amnesty makes the illegal immigration problem worse.

Posted by: battleground51 | April 27, 2010 10:54 AM

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer last week signed a new law into effect that authorizes local police to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant. A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that 60% of voters nationwide favor such a law, while 31% are opposed.

Here's a real poll and a clear majority, 60%, of American citizens approve of the new Arizona law. Americans are becoming more aware of the illegal immigration problem and they do not like the situation.

It is becoming more like an all-out invasion of the homeland every day.

Posted by: battleground51 | April 27, 2010 11:03 AM

AND NOW, Obama stokes the embers of racism to obscure the economic dilemma that he has created. Impeachment cannot come soon enough. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: gneubeck | April 27, 2010 11:07 AM

According to the Pew Hispanic Center approximately 81% of all illegal aliens in the US are hispanics from Mexico and points south (9% are from Asia, 6% from Canada or Europe, and the entire rest of the world sends us the final 4%).

This works out to only 2 in 10 illegal aliens being NON-hispanic.

but of course this won't be noted when the ethnocentric, pro-criminal lobby starts screaming about the 'disproportionate' number of hispanics being arrested and deported.

~~NO AMNESTY ~ ENFORCE THE LAW ~ ATTRITION WORKS ~~

Posted by: WilyArmadilla | April 27, 2010 11:22 AM

What's wrong with an amnesty? Like the one we gave the Confederate traitors even though they waged war on America? Like the one Cubans get as soon as they set foot on dry US land? Like the one American business gets for inviting undocumented workers here and hiring them?

What part of illegal don't I understand? The same part that American business doesn't have to understand.

AMNESTY NOW! GIVE MEXICANS THE SAME FREE PASS WE GIVE AMERICAN BUSINESS!

Posted by: Garak | April 27, 2010 11:38 AM

It's about time a sovereign state of the union does something to enforce immigration law. Most people don't know it, but federal law states that a legal immigrant (someone holding a green card) must always carry this ID) anywhere she/he goes. I know...I wasn an immigrant & I am 100% for this AZ law...wish we could do this in Montgomery County...lots of illegals here and get all kinds of services (taxpayer funded) too!

Posted by: redkoenig | April 27, 2010 12:06 PM

What part of "illegal" don't I understand?

The part that's racist.

This poorly written law puts law enforcement in harm's way when freaked out Mexicans take chase or use violence to avoid capture.

We need a "start over" on this issue. And I'm afraid that means amnesty.

Amnesty has been granted to Confederates who fought against The Union. It was granted to refugees from most wars. It was granted to Vietnam era draft dodgers. We know how to do amnesty in this country.

Unless you want to raise taxes to pay for hunting down "illegals" and trucking them back to Mexico?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | April 27, 2010 12:07 PM

How come no one ever complains about illegal immigrants from Canada, Ireland, the UK or Germany?

I wonder?

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | April 27, 2010 12:11 PM

Do you have any idea how many Latinos are in the U.S. Armed Forces???

How'd you like to come home from Iraq or Afghanistan and get asked for your papers?

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | April 27, 2010 12:21 PM

This has been a big issue for all the border states and I saw it first hand while serving in the Navy in San Diego back in 1985. How much money both state/s and Federal has been spent on hospitals, schools and all other facets of life on NON CITIZENS? Can you disprove the fact that Mexico has a zero tolerance immigration policy, especially on their southern border? One other quick point, how about all the illegal immigrant protesters DEMANDING ACTION OF THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT instead of the US government?!?! What a novel idea that is... too bad I don't see it happening.

Posted by: arioch2112 | April 27, 2010 12:52 PM

everyone should have a national ID card, or a state ID card. banks figured out how to catch identity thefts, merchants figured out security for on-line purchases. why can't the govt figure something out about proof of citizenship, documenting visitors, guests, whatever. we do have voter registration cards, birth certificates, driver licenses and tons of credit cards. it should not be that difficult to have a valid ID card

Posted by: rmorris391 | April 27, 2010 1:05 PM

One question for all you people that think its all right for these illegal aliens (yes ALIENS) to be here: WHAT PART OF "ILLEGAL" DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!!!?

Oh I forgot, the dum dems want all the illegals they can get, so they can steal more elections!

Posted by: tygarjr | April 27, 2010 1:13 PM

Hay, I’m Hispanic. I have my enhanced drivers license. I have no problem proving who or what I am. I don’t need illegal competition. Secure the boarders. Enforce the law! This “race” and “anti-immigrant” rhetoric is just a red herring to distract from the fact that there are people who want illegals to keep coming so the can be used as their virtual slaves.

Posted by: Justive | April 27, 2010 1:18 PM

Seems to me the Arizona law is tame compared to Mexico's immigration policy. Perhaps Mexico's strict law should become the North American standard. Levying substantial fines and prison sentences on business owners hiring illegal aliens will stop the traffic.

Posted by: JamesEndicott | April 27, 2010 1:21 PM

A) Why are the protestors supporting illegal activity, illegal immigration?
If someone broke into their home, would they not call the police to have the person arrested?
How is illegal immigration any different from breaking and entering?

B) Hmmm, I wonder; if in 2050 the "they" who purportedly will be the majority in this country, give back to Mexico the southwest portion of the U.S. Specially return the portion of the southwest U.S. that was once a part of Mexico. Is that the purpose for what has been termed "invasion" from those south of the border? What will happen in the U.S., in 2050 there are enough votes to annex Mexico to the southwest portion of the U.S.


Just a thought.

Posted by: GGoring | April 27, 2010 1:22 PM

For those who oppose the Arizona Law, what would they suggest to get rid of ALL the illegal aliens? What would they suggest to free this Country of ALL the illegal aliens? Yes, please tell me what you would do to get rid of all the illegal aliens?

Illegal aliens are destroying this Country, and one would have to be almost blind not to see this. How much longer do we have to support these illegal aliens? How much longer do we have to school their illegal alien children? How much longer are we going to let them have our jobs? How much longer are we going to put up with all the crime, stolen identities, forged documents, fake green cards? How much longer are we going to allow these illegal aliens to send money out of this Country and bring our Country down? Oh, amnesty will correct all this. WRONG! Nothing will change except we wouldn't be able to call them illegal aliens any more. Let's get rid of these illegal aliens! Let's get them back to their own Country where they belong!

Posted by: scuncic | April 27, 2010 1:26 PM

I'm Arab-American and as "brown" as my Mexican-American sister-in-law. In fact, the richest man in the world is a "Mexican", the son of Lebanese immigrants to that country. So why is it that the focus is on discrimination against HISPANICS? Could it possibly be because roughly half of illegal aliens ARE Hispanic, and that in a border state, that's who we'd expect to cross illegally.

From what I've read, the law requires the commission of a PRIOR act, such as a traffic infraction, before the officer may choose to question about immigration status. Also, I can't count the number of times I'm regularly asked for an ID as a matter of course, from the last time I was stopped by a cop (I was at fault but he let me off) to paying by check to entering public buildings--and being searched to boot.

Posted by: Ali4 | April 27, 2010 1:42 PM

This law is nothing more than a reiteration of the Federal law that Obama fails to enforce. This law is needed in all States especialy the border states. We are at war - look at the murders and kidnapping taking place within our border States. Kudos to AZ...I only wish the rest of the Governors had the guts to do what AZ is doing.

Posted by: NO-bama | April 27, 2010 1:50 PM


I've been reading a lot on this topic and I'm trying to understand the different points of view.

I'm wondering, would you get your hands dirty by doing those jobs most "illegals" do for a living? Would you actually do your lawn? housekeeping? pool? harvest?

It is kind of funny to see those comments where "brown" or "tan" people is blamed for all the smugglering things and see that U.S. has really big drug control issues among its population, Illegals are blamed for the violence and social diseases in Arizona and then, you see old records stuff like Columbine or the Washington snipper or Ted Bundy or Charles Mason or the Waco, Tx guy... neither of them were latinos, so don't you think that racism should be keep apart and people and government should care about legalize the aliens so taxes can be collected from them too?

Isn't one of U.S. virtues to be civilized? it is supposed to be a first world country and it is full of racism? no? set an example then, a good one. Don't complain if you don't have any suggestions.

Have a nice day.

Saludos.

D.

Posted by: Atouk | April 27, 2010 1:57 PM

The words "Racism" and "Illegal" do not belong in the same sentence. This law is targeting ILLEGAL immigrants ONLY. What part of ILLEGAL don't you people understand? If it just so happens that the ILLEGAL immigrants are Mexican, how can THAT be racism when it's just fact? If a US citizen who happens to be latino is asked for proof of citizenship, how is that "racism"? Let me ask you this - if a suspected murderers description was listed as - white, 5 - 6 feet tall, light to dark hair - and the cops stopped all white, 5-6 feet tall with light to dark hair, is that racial profiling or profiling to the description? Change the word "white" to "brown" or "black" and answer the question. If you came up with different answers, then you are the racist, not AZ law.

Posted by: NO-bama | April 27, 2010 2:01 PM

SEVERAL Qs: 1...WHY LET AL SHARPTON LEAD THE PARADE? HE HAS NO CREDIBILITY. 2...WHAT IS LA RAZA'S STAND ON THE ISSUE? THEY WANT OPEN BORDERS AND WORSE. 3...WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU 'CAPTURE' 460 THOUSAND ILLEGALS? THEY'LL BE BACK THE FOLLOWING WEEK. 4...DO YOU THINK IT'S TIME TO GET SERIOUS AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM? WE NEED IMMIGRANTS TO FURTHER THE COUNTRY'S GOALS.

Posted by: DANSHANTEAL1 | April 27, 2010 2:16 PM

Kudos to Arizona for having the balls to do what the President/federal government, does not.

Look, we are a nation of immigrants, yes. BUT, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD TO LIVE IN JUST OUR COUNTRY!!!!!
IF WE WERE A SHIP, WE'D BE SINKING..... TOO MANY PEOPLE, NOT ENOUGH LAND.....SAME THING.'

I agree with many of the posters here who say McCain gives a wink and a nod to his Republican cohorts for hiring illegal aliens. Republican employers have indeed been the backbone of this whole fiasco because it's all about PROFIT. Exploit cheap, illegal alien labor and REPUBLICAN BUSINESS OWNERS MAKE MORE MONEY THEMSELVES.

Now, while I applaud Arizona's efforts in this respect, I DARE them to go one step further....

INVESTIGATE THE EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS. PUBLISH THEIR NAMES IN THE NEWSPAPERS, ON TV, ETC.

The ONLY way to root out illegal immigration is to take away their reason for coming here in the first place. I GUARANTEE that if illegal aliens were rounded up and imprisoned a la Guantanamo-style, and treated as criminals without legal rights - as they SHOULD BE BECAUSE THEY ARE- it would greatly curtail illegal aliens from crossing the border.

And I also would like for Obama to take his family on a vacation to the border states and perhaps pay a visit to those people who have illegal aliens "squatting" on their land....maybe he and his family would like to take a group of them back to the White House?

PUT UP OR SHUT UP, MR. PRESIDENT!

Posted by: kentuckywoman2 | April 27, 2010 2:26 PM

Why don't we enforce this law and also enforce any the laws against racial profiling.

That's how ALL the other enforced laws work.

Posted by: Fairfaxico | April 27, 2010 2:36 PM

Since most illegal immigration is by Latinos then we can never enforce a law against illegal immigration since they would always say it will lead to profiling.

Doesn't make sense.

Enforce the laws!!!!

Posted by: Fairfaxico | April 27, 2010 2:38 PM

The law does not say police can investigate someone just because they look like a foreigner or suspicious. This is what it does say in part,

Prohibits law enforcement officials and law enforcement agencies of this state or counties, municipalities and political subdivisions from restricting or limiting the enforcement of the federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.

·Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.

·Stipulates that if the person is arrested, the person’s immigration status must be determined before the person is released and must be verified with the federal government.

·Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.

·Specifies that a person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides any of the following:

Ø A valid Arizona driver license.

Ø A valid Arizona non-operating identification license.

Ø A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.

Ø A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.

So READ THE BILL, no one's rights are being violated except the rights of legal citizens by the invasion and resultant crimes against us and our country when the law is NOT obeyed! I'm sick and tired of the media bs and the lies they spew every day about this bill. And the lies of those of the Mexican government and La Raza and all the hate America groupies out there should be silenced!

Posted by: debbieguru | April 27, 2010 3:13 PM

Let's see, illegal aliens in this country.....Hmmmm, at some point were,'t we all illegals that kept kicking the Indians off the land they occupied? Just a thought to open discussion.

In this day and age it is a falsehood to state that latino's are the only illegals or major number here in our country. China, southeast Asia, Africa, Europe, Cuba, all have many of them here as illegals. So where to start with this mess. A mess that can be laid at the door step of "Both" Parties in Congress.

Passing a bad law is not the place to start unless you wish to use it as an attention getter.

When you live in a country where there is poverty and famine everywhere, what would you do? Move to a place where you have a chance and you would do it at any cost. But then the response of most posts here are not about reason or problem solving.

To solve this problem you must think way out side of the box to come up with solutions. How do you cure famine and poverty in Mexico( or any country)? That is just one for starters.

Let's hear some positive responses on this question. For we are all either part of the problem, solution or landscape!

Posted by: nstein1 | April 27, 2010 3:25 PM

After reading these facts, please tell me whose civil rights are being abused?

Illegal alien known as the “Chandler Rapist” received a 168 year sentence. Mexican national Santana Batiz-Aceves, 39, was sentenced in Maricopa County Superior Court to 168 years in prison. A month ago, he pleaded guilty to five counts of sexual conduct with a minor, five counts of molestation of a child, one count of aggravated assault and one count of attempted sexual assault.

On January 11, 2008, police in Chandler, AZ arrested Aceves, and based on DNA evidence, charged him with 47 various counts. The string of child rapes took place between June 2006-November 2007.

At the time of his arrest, he had already been deported twice for drug charges in California. Aceves faced charges of kidnapping, aggravated assault, burglary, sexual abuse of a minor, child molestation, giving police false information, providing false documents, and trespassing.

Though an illegal alien, Aceves was working as a heavy equipment operator and lived very close to two junior high schools.
The police had reason to believe that Aceves is in the country illegally, so his immigration status had been turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise would die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day.

Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals.

There would be no one to smuggle the heroin, marijuana, cocaine, and methamphetamines, which plague the United States, across our southern border reducing the U.S. supply of methamphetamines that day, by 80%.

Our hospital emergency rooms would not be flooded with everything from gunshot wounds, to anchor babies, to tuberculosis and other imported diseases, to hangnails and give American citizens the day off from standing in line behind illegals.

Eight American children would not suffer the horror as victims of sex crimes.

Posted by: debbieguru | April 27, 2010 3:26 PM

We have at least one other example closer to home of the true costs of illegal immigration. There is a patient in a local hospital who is illegal, has no insurance and has already racked up over $2M in costs! Multipy that by the many thousands of illegals and their families who get free health care across the nation.

So how will our new health care law cut costs if we don't control immigration???

Posted by: Jimbo77 | April 27, 2010 3:26 PM

When I travel in a foreign country, I always carry a passport to prove my US citizenship and visa authorization. I do this for my own protection and to respect the laws of the foreign country. Why is it such a burden to carry a valid ID or driver's license? US citizens do it every day anyway without complaint.

Posted by: JC23 | April 27, 2010 3:27 PM

The Arizona law simply re-articluates the Federal law. It's always easier for someone standing on dry land to cricize the decisions of a ship captain whose ship is fouyndering. Arizona is on the front line of an issue too many of us have found it too easy to ignore.

I agrfee with JC23 that other countgries require you to carry valid immigfraiton and ID information -- and sometimes they ask you for them. If I was a legal citizen, naturalized or naturally born, I would appreciate that the police are looking out for my best interests in asking for my ID with some reasonable cause.

If I lived in Arizona, I would worry about the 500,000 illegals who may (and likely) include criminals, terrorists, and other undesireables from many countries of origin. Maybe that's only 10% -- but it would take a lot fewer that 50,000 to do me in.

Posted by: DOps | April 27, 2010 3:49 PM

...Yakima, Kennewick and all of those other communities I mention, have an average of one homicide a night, now. They have murder and violent crime rates, per 100,000 population, that makes Chicago's gang violence look tame... all because a few irresponsible loudmouthed liberals like yourself pass themselves off as "expert spokesmen" for the people who have to actually liv with the mess you create.

Actually MIBROOKS27, if you were faintly aware of the homicides, violence, etc, etc in the State of Washington, you would know how ignorant your comments are. These problems occur in the parts of the state you mention (and others you didn't mention) because of DRUGS! The gangs are fighting over turf so that they can control their distribution, plain and simple. So spare me your BS about illegal aliens from the South being behind all the woes befalling this country. Get rid of the gang/drug related problems, and you clean up a large portion of the problem.

Posted by: RandyRRR | April 27, 2010 4:55 PM

The US should adopt Mexico's immigration laws. Zero tolerance. Illegal aliens from south of Mexico's borders are either turned back or shunted north to the US border. They are NOT allowed to stay in Mexico. Check out Mexico's immigration law and behold a system that works. Viva Mexico!

Posted by: karenpq | April 27, 2010 5:39 PM

I don't have a problem with carrying papers. I always have carried my birth certificate, my social security card, and my driver's lisence every time I leave the house. If I have my purse with me, all of my IDs are with me. Since it always has been law that immigrants are supposed to have their papers with them, I see no problem with this new AZ law. There is no need for illegal workers when there are so many legal workers looking for employment. There is no excuse for supporting illegal aliens that pass muster. Most of the arguments are lined with personal greed. After all, who else will work for less than minimum wage? The real problems with illegal immigrants are much larger than the greediest corporations are willing to admit. The illegal immigrants most of their money home. It does nothing to support Americans. Take care of your own country first, Americans. Once that has been achieved, we can concern ourselves with the needy from our neighboring countries.

Posted by: kma36 | April 27, 2010 6:14 PM

I say horray for Arizona. They had the guts to do what the Federal government should be doing. If you are an illegal alien then you will suffer the consiquences. I don't object to anyone wanting to come to the US but do it legally. The very second you set foot on US soil illegally you have broken US laws. You have no rights except to be deported.

Posted by: paulydel | April 27, 2010 6:38 PM

I would rather see every Hispanic in Arizona stopped and their IDs checked than read of another murder of a legal, loyal, patriotic, taxpaying, voting citizen. If you're legal, you can prove it and be on your way. If not, you deserve to be booted right back across the border. For all the bragging about being "macho," I haven't seen any illegals with the courage to demand that their own government take care of them. Instead, they come over here and suddenly develop an outrageous sense of entitlement that they belong here and deserve every right and privilege of an American. Maybe you didn't get the memo...you are illegal. Go home and don't ever come back. Calderon is your daddy, not Uncle Sam.

Posted by: bjven52 | April 27, 2010 9:19 PM

Long overdue! I would gladly provide proof of legal citizenship! Let's face it, you're required to carry proof (Passport, Shore Pass, etc) when traveling abroad to show that you entered their borders legally. WHY NOT IN THE USA? I'd welcome this law in Washington State ~ Obama is useless & refuses to do anything on a national level because he needs the votes.

Posted by: bradandmich | April 28, 2010 12:18 AM

Gasdian:

I love to see liberals express rational views about immigration policy like you do.

The media would like to portray the situation otherwise, but polls show that most of those who classify themselves as liberals or Democrats support strict enforcement of the immigration laws, perhaps because they have a depth of understanding of the adverse consequences of lax immigration policies that are beyond the intellectual capacity of progressives or journalists.

Posted by: bot_feeder | April 28, 2010 9:58 AM

Apparently President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder don't know immigration law. From the Immigration and Nationality Act enacted in 1940 and in force today...
8 U.S.C. § 1304 : US Code - Section 1304(e)
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times
carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.

There's nothing unconstitutional about the Arizona law! Eric Holder is responsible for knowing this law and enforcing it! That is stated in the law itself!

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/comments/view?f=/n/a/2010/04/26/international/i135048D64.DTL&o=1#ixzz0mPToHAlx

Posted by: debbieguru | April 28, 2010 11:44 AM

This bill is long overdue . If the Federal Government was abiding by our Constitution and enforcing Federal laws Illegal Immigration would not be a problem in this Country. Washington is now and has been for along time the home of our Political Prostitute Ignoring the core values of our Democracy and implementing their own political views and desires ignoring the Constitution , Oath of Office and the
Immigration statues of this Country.
The desires of the People are the least of their concerns.

Posted by: oceanwidetide | April 28, 2010 1:05 PM

The people that think we should give the illigals a free ticket to this country are so far out in left field it isn't funny. I know this country was built by people coming here. They came by the law and learned to speak our tongue. The crap that they want to give free pass to now have started by coming her4e against the law and by breaking our law don't need a free pass. The party in control now only want to give a free pass so they will end up with the votes it will bring and not the welfare and other cost that they will bring. With what we have not working now and those that will be losing jobs we don't need a bunch more to feed and help. If these people would come by the law I will say hi and welcome. To have done what Obama, holder and company wants makes me feel like my time in europe in ww2 was a waste of time.

Posted by: wlsass | April 28, 2010 2:03 PM

The problem with this law is not about the illegals. The problem with the AZ law also opens the door to the citizens of the US.

In the Phoenix area the are many European illegals too working Mexican like jobs at the resorts. If the local police run out of Mexicans to pick on and deside to start picking on Europeans. This leads into concern for most of the European decendents that are complainging in here and this is why.

When a police officer chooses you as a suspect of being an illegal, then you have to have your birth certificate with you to prove you are birth right from the US. Now I have my birth certificate locked away due to today's identity thieves. I cannot and will not carry that kind of info with me. Even my social security card is locked away elsewhere. Holding the information required by the Arizona police is not in my good interest.

This law also allows the police of Arizona to hull in anybody for not holding the correct information. No matter the race if the police suspect you of a crime which you did not commit. You can get hulled in until you can prove your citizenship. That may take days when you are in jail. The process moves very slowly once locked up and this law could lock up a lot of inocent people for a period of time.

That is the problem with the law because those that are rooting for it could be a victim of it. Supporting this Arizona law will require local jails to grow causing local governments into needing more money and causing a growth in local taxes which has been growing faster over the past 10 years than federal taxes.

Posted by: dagpound | April 28, 2010 10:34 PM

It is about time that law enforcement is enforced. No wonder illegals want to come to the US, get away with lawlessness and get benefits to boot. They should be booted out, anchor babies and all. Imagine how good it would be if the same law enforcement occurred in MoCo, we would have our county back. Thanks to the dems, we are slowing losing our and, soverignty, citizenship. The illegal supporters have no respect for citizenship for it has been cheapened, disrespected as well as the country in general. The systematic dismantling of American is the Obama goal. Total disregard for this country.

Posted by: suze1 | April 29, 2010 10:10 AM

Where does all this arrogance and demandingness for amnesty come from with these illegals and their progressive supporters. How dare you come into the US and make demands--you are not entitled to get what you want through lawlessness, do it right, do it legally. This WH and Holder are promoting nothing but "Crime, Inc" as their mantra. Support all the lawbreakers, illegals, new Black Panthers, et al. What is wrong here......But the democrats always did support the slackers, lawbreakers and scum....it has just gotten worse with demands.......we are now inundated with low life, scummy officials and legislators.

Posted by: suze1 | April 29, 2010 10:29 AM

QUOTE:

"This is a non-scientific user poll. Results are not statistically valid and cannot be assumed to reflect the views of Washington Post users as a group or the general population"
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Then why do it?? Dah!!!!!

For yuks n giggles?

So...if the poll goes against the "Administration of Death" (Obamanation and his little demons)then we must disallow the results, BUT, if they support Obamanations policies of NO FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT of the laws on immigration, the above caption would have said....good show y'all, the results are very accurate and very reliable indeed, our political saviour Obamanation is right once more, now get down on your hispanic knees and give thanks to your lord Obamanation who has redeemed you before the white racists and the puny arm of the feds.

Posted by: Jordan48 | April 29, 2010 6:24 PM

Reply to Suzie1
QUOTE: "Where does all this arrogance and demandingness for amnesty come from with these illegals and their progressive supporters. How dare you come into the US and make demands--you are not entitled to get what you want through lawlessness, do it right, do it legally. This WH and Holder are promoting nothing but "Crime, Inc" as their mantra. Support all the lawbreakers, illegals, new Black Panthers, et al. What is wrong here......But the democrats always did support the slackers, lawbreakers and scum....it has just gotten worse with demands.......we are now inundated with low life, scummy officials and legislators."
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I love the smell of Napalm in the morning and the righteousness of a smart sassy lil gal who tells it like it IS. You GO GIRL!

Posted by: Jordan48 | April 29, 2010 6:29 PM

It would appear to me that the ONLY ONES required to obey the law of the land is us "poor foolish legal citizen" tax payers! Everyone else gets a pass! S what...is the law discriminatory? You bet your sweet grandmothers petunia it is and our national leaders are blind!

O' we can't enforce immigration laws, it might offend Mexico or hurt the feelings of all these poor hispanic people who have fled to this country in search of a dream. They don't know how to apply for immigration, too illiterate, so they just walk across the borders to staff Obamanations new illiterate voter base, which will soon become "demon craps", oops, sorry meant to say Demo-craps!! Demo because they ARE destroying this nation under their daughtless and blind leader Obamanation!(the democraps, not the illegals)

That is probably why Obama is recommending a budget change to reduce the number of US Border Patrol Agents, so that is illiterate voter base will grow and then he can say....look at my broad base support from the American People. Legalize them with amnesty so that Obamanation can have a vast illiterate voter base who will just "rubber stamp" everything he does! Thats how the Chicago based thugs who tutored Obamanation did things! PAD the voter boxes, no big deal.

Posted by: Jordan48 | April 29, 2010 6:47 PM

People who live in AZ know why this law is needed,that is why 70% of the people who are the silent majority are not put in front of the tv crews or talked about on the news very much, so far it is about 20% about us and 80% about the people who don't want the law, I wonder why, ha it is always about where the news wants to go with a story, I hope people will get out and vote to show our side thanks bw

Posted by: bobwall6969 | April 29, 2010 10:07 PM

This law is way overdue. I hope Maryland will be next. What part of illegal do people not understand ?

Posted by: SwiftJustice4All | April 30, 2010 3:11 PM

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