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Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged foreign donors Sunday to speed up assistance to the 20 million people made homeless by the disastrous floods that have rocked Pakistan. He claimed to have never seen anything like the disaster caused by the floods, which began more than two weeks ago in Pakistan's mountainous northwest. The U.N. has appealed for an initial $460 million to provide relief, but only 20 percent has been given. Billions more will be needed once the floods recede. Read the full article.

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Maybe the Pakistan government should take some of the money it has bilked from the US in their "war" effort against the Taliban and use it to care for the flood victims.

Posted by: grobinette | August 16, 2010 4:07 PM

Send money to them now and 99.99% will go to a corrupt government.

From the Khaleej Times editorial page in 2009:

"Corruption is rampant in the Third world countries, and Pakistan is no exception. But the fact that Pakistan has risen in the dubious hierarchy to be ranked at 42nd among the world’s most corrupt countries against 47th last year is disturbing."

Posted by: jackson641 | August 16, 2010 4:23 PM

Agree with Grobinette. The billions of tax payer money milked in the name of supporting our war on terror, the Pak gaovt and its military has been siphoning of our hard earned money to line their pockets and build up their military and other dangerous military hardware. The double game playing Pak need no pity here, let all those swindlers with swindled money help their own.

Posted by: MN11 | August 16, 2010 4:27 PM

This is indeed sad but then Pakistani leaders ( civilian and the armed forces )have no one but themselves to blame. They feed of corruption. But the real tragedy is written large on the faces of the victims. Heart wrenching but it is almost a given that even for this disaster, there will be dishonest and dishonest officials who will benefit from international aid.

Posted by: shovandas | August 16, 2010 4:39 PM

I'm always interested to read the comments of those who invoke religion to explain another country's tragedies. Did they invoke those same sentiments when the Gulf Coast was poisoned? No. Yet all of that misery seems to be confined to the states which are primarily considered red. Methinks they should ponder the possibility that their standing with the Infinite is not so cozy as they suppose. Their god apparently carries an M-16, basically hates everyone and wipes out people at random with earthquakes, tsunamis and other acts of natural and unnatural violence. I guess Nashville must be pretty low on their list of places too.

Posted by: Byrd3 | August 16, 2010 4:44 PM

Pakistanis are muslims who don't like us anyway. Let their own muslim brotherhood donate on this disaster. Next month the Pakis will just be back lobbing RPG's at our soldiers or shooting more missionaries. Sorry no sympathy or donations.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | August 16, 2010 4:55 PM

Let the hundred million dollars muslims plan to spend on a mosque in NY go to help their fellow peaceful muslims. If the muslims have so much money, let them do the charity.

Posted by: groovercg | August 16, 2010 5:05 PM

I would not lift a finger to help these people. Our government has been wasting billions of our tax dollars on these ingrates for years. Let their fellow muslims send them some of the millions of dollars they get for their oil.
Besides, that part of the world is terribly overpopulated anyway. If a million or so die, the remaining survivors will be better off.

Posted by: jrnberrycharternet | August 16, 2010 5:15 PM

I am not sure whether the money will be diverted to some other cause (read terrorism) which in turn leads to killing our men in uniform (read Wikileaks disclosure). All in all, I don't want blood on my hands and that too of our own men in uniform.

Posted by: gshenai | August 16, 2010 5:28 PM

Pakistan is actively supporting radical Islam in both Pakistan and in elsewhere. Over the years we have given this nation billions upon billions of dollars that it has wasted. Finally, after the earthquakes of several years ago, we went in and actively aided Pakistan and what did we get in return: more anti-American attitudes and more support for radical Islam.

Posted by: jeffreed | August 16, 2010 5:29 PM

If you are fighting someone that is trying to kill you on a precepice, and he slips and falls over but manages to hang on to the edge. When he begs for help, do you help him?

The Pakistanies find themselves in this position. Many of them have helped those that are killing American soldiers, and even though I don't support the war, I cannot, in good concience help those that are helping to kill Americas finest. Maybe they should have learned to swim instead.

Posted by: TRACIETHEDOLPHIN | August 16, 2010 5:35 PM

I will donate but not to the Corrupt Pakistani Government and all their affliates including armed forces . I do not understand why the US and all western countries back these corrupt regimes. The corrupt politcans and ruling elite have bank accounts in UAE with luxury homes around the globe like UAE, UK, USA, Malaysia, Turkey. Fact is that the Ruling party in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa - north West which has been hit the hardest by the recent flooding have amassed property in UAE and Sweden. Press needs to expose these crimes .

Posted by: Corruption | August 16, 2010 5:48 PM

I am afraid my donation will be misused. Pakistan has money to buy F16. They have resources to build and maintain nuclear bombs and missiles. They have the technolgy to build a world class terror infrastructure.
And nobody knows what happened to the billions and billions of dollars of US aid in the past.
No Sir, I will not donate!

Posted by: pete_zipk | August 16, 2010 6:43 PM

Reasons:
1. Pakistanis have knowingly supported terrorism against innocents.
2. Pakistanis still support islamic terrorism.
3. Pakistan has received more covert and overt US taxpayer dollars than any country (except Israel) in the last 40 years.
4. They are corrupt and wasted all the aid money so far.
5. The president of Pakistan has a Chateau in France. The corrupt military generals have mansions in europe and the middle east.
6. Don't forget: Pakistanis support the Taliban who kill American troops. Read the Wikileaks report.
7. President Bush gave 4.3 billion dollars for education to get rid of Madrasas. The money disappeared and there are more Madrasas than ever.
......

Posted by: clearthinking1 | August 16, 2010 7:18 PM

Let their dear Chinese allies alleviate their suffering. Why would we support an enemy population?

Posted by: garrafa10 | August 16, 2010 7:23 PM

I think Pakistan already receive billions of dollars in aid and that money is misused. The rich in Pakistan pay no taxes. Pakistan is a state sponsor of terrorism and holds its nukes as a threat to the rest of the world to extract more aid.

The Pakistani elite need to take the money they have usurped and help their fellow citizens. The US taxpayer is already bank rolling Wall Street and does not need to pay for the Pakistani elite too.

Posted by: snskaul | August 16, 2010 7:23 PM

I already donated $10 billion dollars that Pakistan fleeced us on from 2001 to 2008.

Looks like they (Pakistanis) will have to milk their Military to produce donations instead of trained terrorist

Posted by: Roism007 | August 16, 2010 7:25 PM

The U.S. Gov't has already donated on my behalf to the tune of $76 MILLION (flood victim aid); not to mention the BILLIONS sent to Pakistan over the last couple of years.

Individual donations to Pakistan? NO WAY!

Posted by: anela_jett | August 16, 2010 7:29 PM

Wow, an incredible overpouring of sympathy for the Pakistanis.

Not.

And none from me either. This response is from a Dem liberal who happens to have both feet firmly planted in reality. (Yes, we do exist.) In an interesting twist on the-boy-who-cried-wolf story, Pakistan should have played nice long ago in order to have sympathy credit is needs today.

Forget it--the the tribes rot where there is no relief.

Posted by: williamhuxtan | August 16, 2010 7:35 PM

1) Let the Saudis and their other rich Muslim brethren help them. After all it is the holy month of Ramadan, Right??? And the time Rich Muslims help out the poor Muslims - Right?? (BTW - What an amazing irony, huh?? Allah - raining devastation upon them, during Ramadan, huh???)
2) Let them take money away from their defense budget and help themselves.
3) India offered aid to the tune of $5M - but they have refused to accept that. Let them swallow their pride and ego and take what is offered by India. Apparently it OK for them to go to the west with a begging bowl - but too much of pride and ego involved in taking from a neighbor offering help, Huh??? If they have such a massive ego - they don't deserve help and need to learn to manage by themselves.
4) How about US offering them $100M to $1B of aid for the whereabouts of bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri. Let us see if they care so much about their people to give up info on these goons.
5) How about a similar amount - or even perhaps 5 or 20 times the above amount - for giving up their nuclear weapons and signing the nuclear NPT?? Do their leaders care about the rehabilitation of their people enough to do that??? I don't think so.
4) It is a failed state. They are in bad shape no matter what. So why waste our money? Only if they accept a Marshall like Plan - to rebuild themselves like Germany or Japan - should US offer to help. Else they need to handle their own devastation.

Posted by: shyamk77 | August 16, 2010 7:47 PM

My reason is simple, All we donated in 2005 Kashmir earth quack was never accounted for and some of the funds(Millions of dollars) went for Terrorist training and buying arms.Those terrorist later attacked Mumbai and Pakistan govt to this date has neither close those training camps not fully taken any action against those involved .
Times are tough and though sympathy iwth those suffering but sooner or later Taliban or some group will attack the UN aid group
A nation of 87% people who hate us and live on our aid cannot be ever our friend.
feel sorry for all those suffering but when newspapers tells us that Taliban demand such funds to be returned and govt keeps quite, why ask for such funds?
Saudi and other Islamic countries with all the wealth can write a cheque but have not seen any help from them either. WHY?
We must be dreaming if we think this will win the hearts of those people.

Posted by: shadikatyal | August 16, 2010 7:58 PM


The less Paki's, the better for the country, and the better for the world. They should receive no money or assistance from U.S. citizens, our government, or any of our aid organizations. Any help only enables them to rebuild in areas they should not, and to have more kids, which they do not need. (not to mention continuing to fund and assist Muslim terrorists.

By the way, where are the billions to help from their Muslim brothers, like the Saudi's and Iranians and other rich Muslim countries? The Saudi's alone could build a new three bedroom, two bathroom, American ranch style home for every displaced person in Pakistan, and wouldn't even miss the money.

Nope! No money or aid from us. It isn't worth it.

Posted by: surfer-joe | August 16, 2010 8:02 PM

As a Porkistani affected by this tragedy, I would like to ask my friends from the United Kuffars of America to give generously to our cause. Thousands of our madrassas have been washed away by the floods. Where will our little Jihadis go to learn to hate Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Jews? We need building material for our mosques. And we need first aid kits for our wounded holy warriors fighting Allah's war in Afghanistan. Please donate generously.

Posted by: Porkistani1 | August 16, 2010 8:20 PM

Well yes the American RR who want every child to be born, but cares not one dot about the millions of children who will die today.
In the year 2010 why do we not have a world response team to give aid to people living in poverty facing natural disaster?.
What will sister Sarah say about the thousands of children dying in Pakistan.
Nada, Nothing, an empty vessel.

Posted by: JillCalifornia | August 16, 2010 8:47 PM

Every dollar we send to Pakistan, most of it will go to line the pockets of politicians. It is a sad day when Pakistan, even through the misery of the flood and the plight of the people, the government and the army are preoccupied with India and building more nukes. Precious little of our aid money will ever see the victims. I feel compelled to donate money to one of the Western relief organizations, but never to their government. I hate to see my government pouring the taxpayer's money there either. Let them sell half of their nukes and warplanes. It will generate more than enough to feed and help their own people. Feeding their insatiable appetite to plan war with India at all costs is the wrong policy. This is the time to see where their priorities are.

Posted by: patriot0523 | August 16, 2010 9:11 PM

They need to stop funding terrorism before they deserve help. Unfortunate for Pakistan's poor citizens but their government and military needs to stop supporting and funding terrorists.

Posted by: bdost1 | August 16, 2010 9:41 PM

shyamk77 - Here is Foreign Minister Qureshi's response :
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INDIA: Asked about India’s $5 million offer for assistance, he said there were sensitivities involved in the issue because of “a different nature of relationship with it.”

He, nevertheless, kept the possibility of accepting Indian offer open.
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Here is the reaction from a senior official reviewing the fllod situation - reported in the New York Times :
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“It’s the mullah-Marxist nexus,” said Abid Suleri, the head of the institute and one of the nation’s leading experts on food insecurity. “It’s a class conflict exploited by mullahs who say, ‘If you are living in misery, it’s better to at least kill the infidels.’ ”
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Posted by: shovandas | August 16, 2010 11:06 PM

I am amazed and disgusted with how many people on this comment board are invoking geo-political concerns as some sort of a justification for refusing to help victims of a tragedy that has nothing to do with politics. I sincerely hope that the comments on this matter displayed on this board are not representative of the country as a whole.

I am personally shocked with how small minded these commenters are, to act like women and children who are drowning, drinking disease-infested waters, having their entire lives ruined and clean water supplies destroyed, should all take a back seat and die needlessly because of our objections to the government of the country in which this disaster is taking place. I am speechless.

Yes, there actually are Muslim organizations that are providing aid. And many of them are radical Muslim organizations. And the reason that they are able to win peoples' hearts and minds is because they are distributing food, water, and other necessities, while us Westerners would prefer to let them drown and point our fingers at their leaders.

We did not do this when there was a tsunami in Southeast Asia, or an earthquake in Iran, yet now it has come in vogue to lecture a country's citizens on proper civics while they and their children die needlessly? The portion of our national budget that goes to foreign aid is so small you cannot even see it on a pie chart. We clearly have the capacity to act in these instances, and the idea that we've somehow exhausted all our resources on relief is completely ludicrous.

We exert our power and influence over the entire world and lecture them on how our institutions, our form of government, our Democracy, our economic model, should be adapted by everyone because it's in their best interest to follow our lead. Then when the time comes for us to put our money where our mouth is, we curl up into our shells and toss around political insinuation instead of demonstrating the magnanimity we so often demand of others.

It's time for you guys to grow up, and realize a human life is a human life, and that Pakistan, for all its troubles, is still an ally in a time of need. So let's back our words up with actions, instead of engaging in all this cowardly finger-pointing.

Posted by: fordman_81 | August 16, 2010 11:11 PM

It's not just Americans who are refusing to give money to Porkistan. Read these comments in the London Telegraph from Brits - they are running 10 to 1 against donating any money. In London, donation boxes have been removed because so few people have given money. Even these dhim-wits in the West have finally figured out the true nature of Pakistan.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/7946129/Pakistan-suffers-but-our-wallets-remain-closed.html#dsq-content

Posted by: sfedupindian | August 16, 2010 11:42 PM

Of course millions of Pakistani poor, neglected, down trodden people need desperate help, but the rich elite 5% of the Pakistani themselves, with billions hidden in Swiss banks, off shore British and US accounts are as usual hoarding. Not only ill gotten wealth, but food and other materials.

There is an indifference of day and night among these folks since and before this ill advised nation was created after the partition of the Sub Continent. To that end nothing as changed for the plight of the masses.

When the dust settles after millions perish there will be unprecedented surge with millions who will join the insurgents as they did after the Swat Valley was turned into the rubble and people moved to refugee camps,

Posted by: winemaster2 | August 17, 2010 12:12 AM

Are they chanting "Death to America" while holding their hands out for contributions? Let them eat mud.

Posted by: Impeachbush99 | August 17, 2010 12:44 AM

What was the total Pakistani contribution amount to Katrina victims?

Posted by: Impeachbush99 | August 17, 2010 12:45 AM

Karma just whops you upside the head sometimes, eh Pakistan?

Posted by: Impeachbush99 | August 17, 2010 12:46 AM

What was the total Pakistani contribution amount to Katrina victims?

Posted by: Impeachbush99 | August 17, 2010 12:45 AM

It makes no difference @zz h0le....

Posted by: askgees | August 17, 2010 2:11 AM

Let us see our govt gave them money for last 60 years of their lousy existence, in 2005 people of this country rushed the aid to these criminals. What we find these people since 2001 have been working with our enemies to kill us in Afghanistan and even in US. So now someone who has lived on our generosity for so many years but think they have right to kill us, what do they want? We give them more money in these hard times so they can divert their funds to train more terrorists against whole world? I would say let their govt which has one of the highest military budget in the world pay for their own damn misery.

Posted by: SandyMoth | August 17, 2010 2:29 AM

They are diverting Kerry-Lugar $1.5Billion for civilian dev to disaster. So, every american has donated and will keep on donating to pakistan. The story is the same since 1950..

Posted by: srikanth_ | August 17, 2010 2:44 AM

Do you know the story of mouse and lion?

Posted by: Lawrence | August 17, 2010 4:48 AM

I don't believe in throwing money into snake pits.

Posted by: LadyChurchillUSA | August 17, 2010 6:15 AM

I do not wish to donate as the whole nation of Pakistan is corrupt even the poorest of the poor appear to have lost of all morality, compassion.

I have heard of instances where sanctuaries have been taken over by political party thugs (who happen to be mostly poor) where big land lords have used their influence to divert flood water towards populated areas.

Pakistan is a write-off and in no small measure west has contributed to it. However, lion’s share of the blame lies with the Pakistani people.

People of Pakistan need to wake up and bring about a fundamental change in their system of governance and yes this would mean sacrifices and a wholesale change of the corrupt/establishment.

To put it another way, I do not see why I should continue to bail out people who refuse to help themselves?

Posted by: shariqnaqvi | August 17, 2010 6:49 AM

ZARDARI, the president of Pakistan has stashed $2B in his Swiss accounts. He and his cronies (Prime Minister, Defence minister, Minister of Water & Power, Chief Ministers, bureaucrats, etc., the whole chain) in the name of democracy, have sizeable properties, mansions in Western Europe, Dubai. They steal tax money at will from these miserable illetrate gullible population and their insatiable greed gets even greater when US aid starts pouring in. They don't care about these illeterate peasants, because if they did, then the so called elected officials would have been in their own constituencies. They haven't. Shame on them. 99% of this aid money will go eventually in their corrupt pockets. Zardari, the president was in his mansion in France when the floods struck 2 weeks ago. Has anyone bothered asking from where an elected public official gets $20m to own a mansion? It is from these so called aid money. Most if not all of it will be misappropriated so that they (the corrupt officials) make further mansions and fatten their Swiss accounts through ill-gotten wealth. I'm surprised the US Govt., especially Hillary Clinton doesn't see through this deception and yet apppeals for aid! It's better to donate $500 to a local charity whose reputation is credible than the congenital, compulsive, deceitful, corrupt Govt. of Pakistan and it's officials. The poor flood affected villagers are just pawns in this game who will get just a grain from a sack of US donated rice. The rest will be sold in the open market for a profit.

Posted by: shanikhan | August 17, 2010 7:25 AM

I would like one sign from the Pakistan military or it's political leadership that it is going to use the money that I already give(as a US taxpayer) properly. Buy one less fighter aircraft to "tackle terrorists". Build one less "civilian nuclear reactor". Do something that tells me that any money given for a humanitarian cause won't be misused as usual. I don't see the point giving to a population that reflexively hates us (as all the polls show) via a leadership that will always bilk us.

Posted by: sxg01d | August 17, 2010 8:54 AM

I would like one sign from the Pakistan military or it's political leadership that it is going to use the money that I already give(as a US taxpayer) properly. Buy one less fighter aircraft to "tackle terrorists". Build one less "civilian nuclear reactor". Do something that tells me that any money given for a humanitarian cause won't be misused as usual. I don't see the point giving to a population that reflexively hates us (as all the polls show) via a leadership that will always bilk us.
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I agree with you completely but I am sure this will not happen. If you look at the history of Pakistan, Army Generals have (mis)ruled the country for over 30 years. General Kayani is no different but we can only hope for a change.

Posted by: shovandas | August 17, 2010 9:34 AM

All these comments about the government of Pakistan are beside the point. Individual people don't donate humanitarian aid to the government of Pakistan, we donate to Doctors Without Borders, CARE, UNICEF and other international organizations, all of which are competent, honest, and already doing good work in the flooded areas. I've donated some money and I plan to donate more.


Posted by: bbabcoc1 | August 17, 2010 9:57 AM

My reason simple, world has given billions and billions of aid, the world bank has billions and billions of loans and the world has written of billions and billions. None of the aid given to Pakistan has benefitted the common people, it has only made the well connected wealthy beyond their imagination. All the wealthy have left the country with their ill gotten money and living in luxury in USA, UK, France, Canada, etc.

Show me one project that helped the poor or put Pakistan on an economic growth, none. Their only export is Islamic Fundamentalism and terror.

No way I will donate to promote the same rubbish.

Posted by: Maya2 | August 17, 2010 10:09 AM

I have actually gone to website to donate 3 times but sth has held me back to click the button. I have donated $100 each, twice to Haiti through Clinton-Bush foundation. Mr. Zardari was known as Mr. Ten percent, (that is how much he took in commission) in his corrupt days. So I worry that as soon as I donate my $100 this time, it will automatically become $90. Also I am worried about their nuclear intentions and not coming out clean with US government. I am also worried about the dual role of their spy agency ISI. I also realize that humanitarian catastrophe of this magnitude should not be about politics but people who have nothing to do with it. So despite all my former reservation I know I will contribute, but after coming to terms with my own conscience.

Posted by: sitoula | August 17, 2010 11:05 AM

Pakistan's a nuclear power. Membership in that club carries with it certain responsibilities. It means, by definition, that Pakistan has the resources necessary to provide basic services and infrastructure to its citizens. That they've chosen to allocate those resources elsewhere is their problem.

Posted by: simpleton1 | August 17, 2010 11:08 AM

I am not confident any donations would be used for the intended purpose.

Posted by: toreador | August 17, 2010 12:23 PM

Pakistan's a nuclear power. Membership in that club carries with it certain responsibilities. It means, by definition, that Pakistan has the resources necessary to provide basic services and infrastructure to its citizens. That they've chosen to allocate those resources elsewhere is their problem.

POSTED BY: SIMPLETON1 | AUGUST 17, 2010 11:08 AM
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While the need for donations is desperate, I cannot argue with your reasoned explanation. It is high time their Armed forces think differently by sitting down with Indian leaders. Maybe the likes of a Sadat visit to Israel and his famous speech in the Knesset ? But I think there are no Pakistani leaders of that stature and the Army/ISI takes precedence.

Posted by: shovandas | August 17, 2010 12:43 PM

@ROISM007 who said, "I already donated $10 billion dollars that Pakistan fleeced us on from 2001 to 2008.

Looks like they (Pakistanis) will have to milk their Military to produce donations instead of trained terrorists."

Well-said! The fat Paki military and intelligence service should give all the money they looted from US back to the Paki poor.

Posted by: DrSubtle | August 17, 2010 1:05 PM

I stopped giving to those poor countries (Pakistan, India, etc.) who choose to spend their own money on nuclear arsenals and other weapons rather than on meeting the basic needs of their people. I have relatives here at home in need thanks to this disgraceful economy; Why should I send money half way around the world to countries that fritter their money away on arms, missiles, satellites, etc.?

Posted by: r_loveland | August 17, 2010 1:20 PM

With the sheer amount that the nation's celebrities spend on themselves, I believe it is only right that they give away their money first. I'd like to see Angelina give her jet, sell all but one house, shop at the thrift store for ALL clothes, give up the nannies, and go down to one minivan. Then she can cough up the extra mil or two to really help. Sorry we are tapped out.

Posted by: stopthemadness | August 17, 2010 1:36 PM

Don't waste your money. There is NOTHING any American can do to help Pakistan. Their problem is their culture and their Government, and we can't control that. Donating money for them will only be a fake boost to one's ego, that's all.

Posted by: pgr88 | August 17, 2010 1:53 PM

Yes, I am donating to Pakistan. My tax dollars go to supplying them with aid programs. My tax dollars are used to build, maintain, fly and employ drones that whack Taliban extremists who would be happy to topple Pakistan's creaky democracy as well as over run Afghanistan again.

I live on the Gulf Coast...so a lot of my disposable income goes to eating at Gulf Coast restaurants that really need the business now.

Posted by: PanhandleWilly | August 17, 2010 2:01 PM

Just donate to Al Qaeda directly, and cut out the middle-man.

Posted by: pgr88 | August 17, 2010 2:06 PM

To everyone who is so against donating to these people, answer me this:

If you are taking your anger for your lost soldiers and tax money out on innocent and dying women and children, how are you different from those terrorists who did 9/11 and took out their anger over God knows who, on innocent lives? In your hatred, you have turned into what you hate so much!

Posted by: nidhi2 | August 17, 2010 2:14 PM

"We find the same pattern in the bizarre reaction to the Middle East conflict. The average observer, ignorant of the antisemitic content of the Hamas Charter, has to find another explantion for anti-Jewish terrorism, which has to be:Israel.

Thus suicide terrorism, which Westerners find completely incomprehensible, is rationalised as an act of despair. Here too, following the principle of "the more barbaric the anti-Jewish terror, the greater the Israeli guilt," the victims of the attacks become the source and scapegoat for global terrorism...

It is to be feared that the "blind struggle" against Islamism- by which I mean one which ignores its ideology- will end in the defeat of the West. The attribution of guilt to Israel and the USA adds fuel to the flames of Islamist propaganda and drives the wedge deeper into the Western camp rather than where it belongs- in the Muslim world.

... The letter also propagtes a toned-down version of the Islamists' frightful slogan- you love life, we love death...

But how can the West successfully fight against its foes if it feels obliged to explain terrorism as a result of its own behaviour( which is WaPo and our leaders are doing)? The "blind struggle" has a doubly counter-productive effect: it plays into the hands of the Islamists, who want to divide the West, and it stymies any Western offensive for enlightenment and self-determination, which is the only way to split the majority of Muslims from the Islamists. If we do not challenge the ideological roots of Islamism, it will be impossible to confront the Muslim world with the real alternative- will it choose an orientation towards life or towards death? Will it stand up for individual and social self-determination or submit to the programme or uniformity of a death-obsessed clique of Mullahs and its integral Jew-hatred?"

From "Jihad and Jew Hatred" by Matthias Kuntzel.

Islam can not be called a religion. Hatred and terror towards Jews and Hindus is integral part of Islam. If you are helping them, tomorrow they (Muslims) will come after you-like they did in Mumbai massacre of civilians.

Donating to Muslims is worse than donating to Nazis. Look at today's news- 60 innocents massacred in Iraq during Ramadan in front of a mosque....

And lastly Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim nations are among the richest; but where is their donation?

Posted by: rajkatori88 | August 17, 2010 2:16 PM

"Tired of government inaction, Christians and other religious minorities in Indonesia are pushing back against rising violence by Islamic hard-liners.

For months, Christians in the industrial city of Bekasi have been warned against worshipping on a field that houses their shuttered church. They've arrived to find human feces dumped on the land and sermons have been interrupted by demonstrators chanting "Infidels!" and "Leave now!"

But last week, tensions finally exploded.

Twenty worshippers were met by 300 Islamic hard-liners, many of whom hurled shoes and water bottles before pushing past a row of riot police. The mob chased down and punched several members of the group..."

News from a so-called "secular and moderate" Muslim nation. Again there is no moderation or secularism in Islam- much like Nazism, Fascism....

Posted by: rajkatori88 | August 17, 2010 2:23 PM

I feel for the citizens of Pakistan but I cannot in good conscience donate to a country that supports and encourages terrorism. They scoff at our way of life then stand there with their hands out expecting us to forgive and forget. Hand over any criminals like Osama Bin Ladin and Mohammed Omar and I will consider donating.

Posted by: LilDfromSask | August 17, 2010 2:49 PM

The President of Pakistan visited France to spend a weekend in his Chateau, while his people were dying.

Will he sell the Chateau and donate the proceeds to the masses afflicted by the floods. If not, why should I?

What are we expected to donate for anyway - travel costs and the renovation of a Chateau in France? You've got to be kidding!

Posted by: timepass | August 17, 2010 2:52 PM

The world would be much better off if the whole country fell into the sea.

Posted by: stonecarver | August 17, 2010 4:07 PM

We need their help, they need our help. If we don't help them now, do we think they will want to help us in the future?

Posted by: mailboxlee | August 17, 2010 4:21 PM

We're not donating to Muslim countries anymore. They don't appreciate our help and they siphon the money off to aid their terrorist allies and proxies.

We're finished with helping or caring about Muslims. Don't blame us.. they brought it on themselves.

Thanks much.

Posted by: HLBeckPE | August 17, 2010 4:33 PM

When Pakistan decides to FULLY participate in rooting out the terrorists having safe haven within its borders, and stops funding external terrorists such as those in Mumbai, I'll consider donating. Which is to say, I'll get to keep my money!

Posted by: MBTyler | August 17, 2010 5:19 PM

The pictures of children are heart-rending, but there is no assurance the moneys sent will reach the intended receipients. What priorities did the Pakistan Government choose as for many many years it refused to dredge these rivers causing silt build-up resulting in easy flooding? Today the leading opposition politician (Nawaz Sharif) was quoted as saying they didnt need/want money from the Western World. They have refused to accept $5 million from India. I have to see if some organization like Save the Children can mainline the donations directly to the kids welfare, but its hard to feel excess sympathy for the adults there.

Posted by: tiglathpileser | August 17, 2010 7:38 PM

David Cameron made the worst political faux pas since assuming office.

For days, the Pakistani flood victims have complained about their leader currying favors with the west while the entire nation endures and suffers without any glimmer of hope or help. The image of a prominent photoshoot of Zardari smiling broadly, shaking hands with Cameron, next to ailing, hungry, drenched Pakistani refugees, was firmly etched in the minds of millions of refugees, as well as the international community.

We are bombarded by videos of refugees telling Western reporters about their belief that the aid money is going to an uncaring, corrupt Zardari.

Some independent NGOs that have the means to distribute aids directly to the refugees cannot reverse the hesitation of potential donors.

The result is a lose-lose situation because it plays into the hands of the Taliban.

What Cameron should have done, was to criticize Zardari promptly and publicly for failing to show compassion for the Pakistan people, and that the west stands in solidarity with the people's reasonable complaints.

Cameron should have announced his concern for the refugees right away, as soon as Kardari refused to cancel the trip.


Ultimately, the situation will likely result in further distrust of the west by the Pakistani people, and strengthen the Taliban's local appeal.

David Cameron: what a fool you have been!

Which is more damaging? The delay of an opportunity to chastise Kardari for maintaining connections with the Taliban, or the fueling of distrust of 14 million destitute Pakistanis about the west.

Posted by: Joallen8 | August 17, 2010 7:54 PM

The pakis deserve natures wrath for tacitly supporting terrorism throughout the world.
The west gave billions to the islamic fundamentalists during the cold war and we got a 911 as a thank you gift.
The US still supports the pakistan military, but a lot of the aid probably gets stolen by the generals for kothis(houses) and new wives, and the rest to support terrorism against India, afghanistan and iran in particular and the world in general. As long as it is some low IQ/uneducated young fool who does jihadi/suicide they think this their bravery.
The pakis govt has shown that they are adept at corruption, terrorism, duplicity and plain ornery.
Sorry, no sympathies for these guys. Maybe they should spend money on public works and not on arms and atomic weapons-which they do not have the guts to ever use.

Posted by: dean21 | August 17, 2010 11:54 PM

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How long are we going to have heated arguments for and against this and that religion? Will these arguments translate into actions i.e. riots or wars? This is the 21st century and by looking at this kind of situation in America, I'm afraid we are making peace difficult for us even in the 22nd century. Please, don't turn your world into a hell, it's too beautiful for that. Let science, research and knowledge prevail. I'm a muslim and a liberal at the same time. Please, don't push me too hard to the wall.

Posted by: qudussaggu | August 18, 2010 2:10 AM

Are you guys talking about the U.S. government bailing out our rich, and our 1% wealthy, or are you blaming our own miseries and thieving professional politicians on the Pakistanis? We can't help ourselves - our rich steal from us every day and yet we can deny help, through legitimate orgs, to the poor of Pakistan? Oh, I forgot - we still believe the corporations and Homeland Security, even after Katrina and the Gulf Gusher. Know what gets me after viewing dozens of pictures of the Pakistanis? There are no fat people, period. Even at their best, they don't eat well. Here, our obese rate is over 60%. Here we wave our nukes at anyone who doesn't like multinational corporate rule. Think before you speak, people. We have arms and governmental rules that supposedly protect us, yet we watch while our middle class is destroyed. Who you going to cry to when it is our turn? Remember, it was Saudis on those planes 9/11 (and we flew many Saudis home the next day), not Afghanistan people or Pakistan people, or Iraqis for that matter. Yet we're wasting billions upon billions in wars in Afghanistan - where no country has ever invaded successfully, and in Iraq, where oil was our only conceivable reason for war. Our young wouldn't be dying (and not that many actually have) if we weren't in those countries. And - before you blame Muslims with inventing body-bombers, read a few history books about the IRA in Ireland doing the same things, killing their own and the Brits. Poor people, ruled by the rich, tend to use their bodies when they have nothing else to fight with. So, are the Irish let off the hook because they're white or Catholic? I think not. Such hypocrites some of you are! And such short, selective memories. (Short as in Haiti is never mentioned in our news, any more, and short as in 50% of our own people want to reproduce mindlessly (preferring bundles of cells that 'may' become humans to already living women) as much as any 3rd world country, whether or not they can afford to have those kids. Pakistan's big mistake is not empowering their women and enabling them to start small businesses to educate themselves and their children - that's the whole world's mistake, in fact, including the U.S. - it's still being fought here even now. Sometimes 'we' make me sick with our self-righteousness.

Posted by: unconvinced | August 18, 2010 2:50 AM

Don't forget, also, that Britain had a major hand in causing today's problems, both with the split between Indian and Pakistan when thanks to Ghandi and world opinion, that area won its freedom and with both countries still being poor today - and in the way Israel was formed in the Middle East with no regard for the people already living there. Definitely there was a desperate need for Israel to have its own country where the Jews could have safety and they've done a wonderful job at building a haven for themselves (with a whole lot of U.S. $ help), but they're doing today what was done to them by other countries (including the U.S. before WWII in that they were excluded here from clubs, social events, and jobs they were qualified for). Some more white Christians who helped destabilize the world by being insensitive to all religions and cultures. Holy, holy, not.

Posted by: unconvinced | August 18, 2010 3:00 AM

Pakistan has become so used to having a begging bowl over the years that now they have started shamelessly demanding money from countries on some pretext or the other. However much US dolles out its tax payers money, it is never enough. What is funny is that when a country like india offers 5M$ aid, they say we will think about it......the leaders of that country seem to have lost all semblence of self respect. Now they are creating a scare that if they dont get more money there will be security issues...Read this "Pakistani officials have begun to acknowledge that the country's security could be gravely affected if more international aid does not arrive soon." .........the world has seen through the game

Posted by: Observer76 | August 18, 2010 8:44 AM

Keep the aid away from the government and profiteering NGOs; it will never get to the victims of disaster. We should demand of officials in Pakistan and Afghanistan that they not maintain a bank account outside of their countries. Moneylaundering of foreign AID is the primary source of corruption and poverty in these countries and Americans contribute to corruption more than anyone else.

Posted by: acpress | August 18, 2010 9:09 AM

I'm still not sure where the aid money from the Indonesian tsunami went. Most people there are back to their borderline lives. I have no confidence that any money given to Pakistan for the flooding will do any better. What I find disturbing is that these people expect - no, demand - international aid. Read that money from the U.S. and other western nations that they turn around and disparage. We can't buy friendship with money. So stop trying. It may be hard hearted, but let the Pakistanis fend for themselves.

Posted by: victoriafalls100 | August 18, 2010 9:25 AM

Pakistanis should not get aid or help from anyone outside Pakistan. This is punishment of God for helping foreign forces in killing innocent human beings and civilian not only in their own country but also in their neighboring country.

They should bow their head in front of God and ask for his forgiveness.

Posted by: sunny_usa | August 18, 2010 12:54 PM

I'm not a big enough person to be willing to donate money to rescue people who regularly denounce me as an infidel, in the harshest and most vile terms.

Let their fellow Muslims rescue them.

Oh wait -- all those saudi princes build mosques, and put their names on them, as their 'charitable contributions'.

Pakistan will be waiting a long time.

Posted by: Womanist | August 18, 2010 6:49 PM

DIE!!!!
'
FASTER!!!!!
PLEASE

Posted by: trafallet | August 18, 2010 10:53 PM

Yeah, sure so that they train more terrorists and kill 200 or more innocent Indians like Mumbai again.

Government there is evacuating Muslim first and discriminating against Christians and other minorities. This too at a time when majority of aid has been committed by non-muslim countries!

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Minorities-denied-flood-relief-in-Pakistan/H1-Article1-588673.aspx

Posted by: Globe-watcher | August 18, 2010 10:59 PM

Q: How do you deal with an animal that bites the hand that feeds it?
A: Stop feeding it.

Posted by: Larissa1 | August 19, 2010 2:11 AM

Read most of the comments here and found some of my friends quite offensive. Please understand that the poor masses of my country have nothing to do with the most affluent and corrupt rulers of that unfortunate land. Same as you cannot question your bureaucracy for their illegitimate intruding in Afghanistan that has resulted in killing thousands of innocent children and old men and women, having turned a blind eye on the real world issues. I suggest dont give a penny to our rulers as they should be hanged upside down, but the innocent famine stricken victims need your dire attention. There are credible ways of donating your valuables. Why dont you stop your foreign secretary from singing hymns in the UN General Assembly for the corrupt Pakistani rulers. Because she knows that if we block your way to Afghanistan, US and NATO forces cannot survive another week there. We know your negative role in South Asia and if ever you resort to a referendum in that part, the favour votes wont be more than 0.00%. So rule them the way English ruled us centuries ago. be administrators rather than dictators. US forces in the past were defeated and will be defeated even now in any of their malafide expeditions. Just wait and see.
Dr Bangash, UK.

Posted by: farooqbangash | August 20, 2010 4:29 AM

Why should we help them more than we already have? Especially when they are hell-bent on destroying us?? They hate us. Let them use some of the billions of dollars US aid their government/leadership had hoarded.

I am tired of them demanding money to be our “friend” by mentioning that AL Qaeda and Taliban will gladly replace us! Their main source of income is billions of Dollars we pay them to be on our side. They got a good racket going! They balance their budget on our dollar, I am tired of them riding the gravy train!!!!

Posted by: HNR48 | August 20, 2010 12:10 PM

To all those who are against helping flood-hit people in Pakistan>
Thanks for making it clear for us Pakistanis that the people on the 'other side' are as barbaric, inhuman and full of hatred as Taliban. Now I know it's not a clash of civilizations...it's a clash of two barbarian people...both devoid of any 'human' or 'humane' instincts...
We at people's level in Pakistan should not expect those who have been funding a 30 year dirty war to 'kill'in our land to 'save' life...Your condition to give aid money for saving life is again to 'kill...linking it with terorism, something you helped our generals give birth to. It was your sperms..our land just became surrogate for you.
Sorry guys but I petty you for being the western and white versions n equivalents of Taliban and Al Qaida...while you fight each other...we the flood affected people are helping ourselves whatever way we can..and you keep your dollars in your pockets and your hatred in your heads..today I sold my car to help feed some ppl...tomorrow another Pakistani will...
Thanks but no thanks!

Posted by: aishii20 | August 20, 2010 1:15 PM

I have read the comments -- a lot of outpouring of hate. I reckon there must be a number of Indians around commenting to demean Pakistan. Shame on them.

The point is the year 2010 is not the last year, history has to move on. There was also history before 1991. The US was no sole superpower.Our brothers and friends sacrificed their lives in Afghanistan to save Pakistan from the Russian bear, the communist ideology. The US was retreating at that time. The US knew the Cubban missile possibilites. The US was afraid of that. The sole superpower of today, the US, was banking on a weak (and today's flood hit) countries like Pakistan for its ultimate survival. The free world of the west was hiding behind Pakistan to preserve its liberty and what not. What a time that was! Do you remember? That makes me a proud Pakistani.

Now, Pakistan is in trouble because of natural catostrophe and you people are giving vent to your hate preach. The allies (the coalition of the willing) dropped bombs here and there and added to global warming. We are praying the price. You must feel shame.

Tell me, why do the western governments let the corrupt Pakistani politicians bring their ill-gotten money to their countries and buy huge estates? You people must also feel shame for that. Do not donate but send all the Pakistani money back to Pakistan. And, do not speak against my country.
Dr Qaisar Rashid
Lahore, Pakistan
www.qaisarrashid.com

Posted by: qaisarrashid | August 21, 2010 7:11 AM

Dr. Rashid,
The US has given more money to your country than any other donor in the world, including Muslim countries far richer than us. To wit,
To date, according to a fact sheet issued today by the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan, the United States is providing about $150 million to support flood relief efforts in Pakistan, including funding for the operations of the Pakistan National Disaster Management Authority, the U.N.’s emergency relief plan, and the many local and international organizations responding to this disaster.
These funds are being used to provide critical supplies to Pakistani citizens impacted by the flood. The United States also is providing millions of dollars of additional in-kind and technical assistance.
U.S.-provided aid to Pakistan also includes the expansion of pre-existing programs in flood-affected areas, providing temporary bridges, and mobilizing significant U.S. military and civilian resources to rescue victims of the disaster and deliver needed supplies.
U.S. military and civilian aircraft continue to support flood relief operations. Through Aug. 22, these aircraft have evacuated 7,835 people and delivered more than 1.6 million pounds of relief supplies.
In other recent developments:
-- On Aug. 22, U.S. Air Force C-130 aircraft, based from Afghanistan, delivered 79,000 pounds of food and relief supplies yesterday from Rawalpindi to Sukkur and Multan.
-- The World Food Program has reached more than 1.3 million flood-affected beneficiaries with almost 16,000 metric tons of food assistance, about 50 percent of which is provided by the United States.
-- The U.S. Agency for International Development’s Office of Food for Peace has provided the World Food Program with an additional $32.3 million for local and regional procurement of food, bringing the U.S. total contribution to WFP to more than $51 million.
-- Since Aug. 8, U.S. water treatment units have provided approximately 4.8 million liters of safe drinking water to Pakistani citizens.

This amount is over and beyond the hundreds of billions in annual foreign assistance we provided every decade. We are due to disburse $5 BILLION over the next 5 years.

We are free people here in the US, entitled to speak as we like. If you don't like it, then don't ask for our money and don't read our newspapers.

Your comments - filled with a lack of gratitude - are the very reason that my earthquake donation to Pakistan will be my last. There are plenty of other people in the world who would appreciate the hard earned money Americans send abroad during a disaster.

Posted by: samwoods77 | August 23, 2010 10:44 PM

U.S. is the primary reason for Pakistan not getting the sympathy and aid of the world, U.S.'s war mongering propaganda and islamophobia is costing millions their lives. Worse, 800,000 people lost their homes due to U.S. war machinery, how do you people call yourselves human.

PAKISTAN: Minister tasked with saving US airbase at the cost of the displacement of thousands
www.ahrchk.net

Posted by: sophiaS | August 24, 2010 3:04 PM

The U.S. aid is a mockery and shame, it has spent billions of dollars on destroying pakistan and U.S. has cost pakistan more aid than the crumbs it has thrown at it. Had it not been for U.S. war mongering agenda, a disaster and calamity of this proportion will have led to outpouring of aid from the world, instead U.S. war machinery has created an image of pakistan to be only seen as a terrorist breading campground with no human beings. And note how it has destroyed 800,000 homes by diverting water from its airbase in Pakistan and is not allowing it to be used to access drowning people.

Posted by: sophiaS | August 24, 2010 3:07 PM

The reason for floods -
"The allies (the coalition of the willing) dropped bombs here and there and added to global warming. We are praying the price. You must feel shame."

And the award of wild-a$$ conspiracy theory goes to....Dr. (doctor, eh?) Rashid. Well, there are ills education can't cure.

Posted by: Globe-watcher | August 26, 2010 8:39 PM

I am a taxpayer in USA. My government has given $18.5 billion since 2002 to Paksitan in addition to overt CIA funds to ISI, waiver of loans and interests worth billions of dolloars in 2001, almost free military equipemnt from Kuwait, high-tech military equipment such as F16, PC Orion, laser bombs, Warships on concessional terms, and BILLIONS of dollars of grants/aids during 1974 & 2005 earthquakes (most of which was used to develop Islamic nuclear bombs, Ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, JF17 fighters and sponsoring of terorism in my country of origin, india) help such as rescue missions in 2005 earthquake and again in August 2010 floods which can not be quanitified. Their army issued an arrogant statement on KERRY-Lugar bill giving them $7.5 billion dollars as aid/grant. There army is using USA aid to arm Talibans to kill USA men and women in uniform in Afghanistan. They increased their defense budget by 31% in July 2010 despite they are being reimbursed 150% (fudging of bills) to the expenses on WOT. Despite of such calamity Paksitan has not reduced its defense budget but has diverted funds from public development funds to help flood victim. This is a criminal behavior of the current rulers, which in fact is the army as it has always been. I won't talk about army's role in nuclear prolifiration to terrorist countries like Iran, No Korea and Libya just recently.

Posted by: kanishka1 | August 27, 2010 11:52 AM

I would not recommend any one to donate any penny for Pakistan flood victims as Pakistan government has enough money to manufacture more and improved Islamic nuclear weapons and fighter planes and tanks; more in numbers than India which has 15 times bigger tax base.

This is the time to divide Pakistan state in four parts to eliminate the terrorism from the world for ever.

UN with the helpof USA/SAUDI ARAB/EU/CHINA should initiate to take over this state and help flood victims directly while deweaponize the entire state. Sounds difficult but not impossible. Any other alternative is inviting a nuclear war in Inidna subcontinent populated by teeming 1.5 billion.

Posted by: kanishka1 | August 27, 2010 12:31 PM

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