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Is new Va. immigration opinion fair?

Law enforcement officials in Virginia can inquire into the immigration status of those they stop or arrest -- just as they can under a controversial new immigration law in Arizona -- Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli has ruled in an official legal opinion.

Do you approve of this new measure and it's proposed crackdown on illegal immigration? Weigh in below.

By Cameron Smith  |  August 2, 2010; 7:08 PM ET  | Category:  Local , National Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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Too bad one of those illegals just killed a nun in VA. Drunk driving, two prior offenses and the Feds let him out to drive the streets again. When is enough enough?

Posted by: secjet1 | August 2, 2010 7:40 PM

"Too bad one of those illegals just killed a nun in VA. Drunk driving, two prior offenses and the Feds let him out to drive the streets again. When is enough enough?
Posted by: secjet1 | August 2, 2010 7:40 PM "

when is enough...enough...
when the dems are out of office and true Americans occupy congress...

Posted by: DwightCollins | August 2, 2010 7:52 PM

when is enough...enough...
when the dems are out of office and true Americans occupy congress...

Posted by: DwightCollins | August 2, 2010 7:52 PM

Nothing says "true American" like a prejudicial remark does it? It's ironic how Americans are so unaware of the immense amounts of money spent to make us look like benign, peace loving people when in fact we are a bunch of red-necked hooligans that clearly don't understand the gift of freedom we were given so long ago.

When "show me your papers" starts to get used against the lighter skinned races, it will be too late to say I told you so, and then you'll wish you had paid better attention to what you said and endorsed.

Posted by: bryangalt1 | August 2, 2010 8:29 PM

With Ken Cuccinelli, Rand Paul, Sarah Palin, and Andrew Breitbart the inmates are taking over the (GOP) asylum.

Posted by: chuck8 | August 2, 2010 8:53 PM

I think, when history judges us, we will be in the same catagory as those folks who posted the old "Irish need not apply" "No Indians, dogs or Chinamen allowed", "Whites Only" and other racial or discriminatory signs aimed at recent emigre's.

Our current "illegal" aliens face a huge hurdle thanks to changes in our imigration laws a few decades back. Prior to then, about the biggest qualification to enter the country was that you be able to support yourself and not become a burden to the taxpayer.

I think such racially tinged laws will become our shame in the future.

Shall we go ahead now and change our motto from "Land of the brave home of the Free" to "Land of the blowhards and home of where the whites only can be free"?

Posted by: maxtor0 | August 2, 2010 9:28 PM

othing says "true American" like a prejudicial remark does it? It's ironic how Americans are so unaware of the immense amounts of money spent to make us look like benign, peace loving people when in fact we are a bunch of red-necked hooligans that clearly don't understand the gift of freedom we were given so long ago.
When "show me your papers" starts to get used against the lighter skinned races, it will be too late to say I told you so, and then you'll wish you had paid better attention to what you said and endorsed.
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You are joking right? True Americans vs illegal aliens...who do you think should be running this country? Think about it.
It is all about race to you. Who are you calling red necked hooligans? White people? You are a bigot. Anybody who doesn't support law breakers with dark skin, is a racist or red necked hooligan.
Another liberal non sequitor.
I don't care if law enforcement asks me for papers. If I was a legal immigrant, no problem. Light skinned or dark what does it matter?
Why should anybody be allowed to break immigration laws?
Answer that.

Posted by: secjet1 | August 2, 2010 9:28 PM

As a Son of the American Revolution - and coincidentally, the grandson of a couple of German Jewish émigrés, I'd like to suggest that "true" Americans offer a bit of tolerance for those holding differing views, and not suggest that the mere fact they might have different values makes them un-American.
The latter stance is baloney, and unfit of our great history of tolerance, welcome, and international activism.

Posted by: tomomi1 | August 2, 2010 9:31 PM

Our current "illegal" aliens face a huge hurdle thanks to changes in our imigration laws a few decades back. Prior to then, about the biggest qualification to enter the country was that you be able to support yourself and not become a burden to the taxpayer.

Posted by: maxtor0 | August 2, 2010 9:28 PM

Do you know how stupid you sound? The hurdle used to be...support yourself and not become a burden.

Wow so now it is jump the line ahead of other people who go through legal channels, and be a burden and not support yourself. Sponge off the citizens of this country, flout their laws, steal their ids and jobs, crowd up their ERs and clinics demanding free care, drive without registration or license, use fake IDs to get benefits meant for legal citizens...
And we aren't going to take it anymore.

Posted by: secjet1 | August 2, 2010 9:34 PM

So now all of us have to carry papers to prove we are here legally? So when do we have to list whether we are Jewish and wear the cute armbands?

Posted by: garoth | August 2, 2010 10:18 PM

Posted by: dgldsn | August 2, 2010 10:27 PM

Please cut it with the "True American" junk. Immigration enforcement isn't a "Republican" or "Democrat" issue. Republicans bungled immigration for 12 years before this Congress started ignoring it.

From what I can tell, the VA law is more supportable than the AZ law, since it doesn't require the officer to determine whether someone "looks like an illegal." The VA statute just says an officer may check status during a valid stop or arrest.

The problem with that specific part of the AZ law is, again, not checking papers, but limiting those activities to individuals officers think look a little funny.

And there's no provision to allow the VA authorities to jail suspects until ICE clearance. That's a big deal -- I wouldn't want my girlfriend to be jailed overnight because she left her passport at home.

AZ should take notes.

Posted by: ledirigible | August 2, 2010 10:47 PM

The complaints that papers have to be shown are truly ridiculous.
In CA kids who compete on little league teams, junior teams, etc. have to show their birth certificates - not to determine ethnicity or legal /illegal status -- but to verify age!
I had to show my ID to get a library card for Pete's sake - and I live down the street from the library.
I have to show my driver's license to cash a check - so I carry it at all times.
These are just a few examples - All this whining about color, race, etc. is just a major whiner attack. Carry your papers and just do it. I'm glad when I'm asked for ID. So what?
What is the big deal??

Everyone is beginning to sound like Chris Matthews, et al. Just a bunch of race baiters.
My neighbors are Iranian, Hispanic, Irish, and Japanese, African American. They aren't complaining. But then they have a life.

Posted by: pjcafe | August 3, 2010 12:03 AM

That nun would be alive tonight if that illegal had been deported the first time he was arrested for DUI.
We don't need more illegal drunk drivers on the road.
Deport illegals. Kick the Dems out.

Posted by: secjet1 | August 3, 2010 1:16 AM


Illegal aliens have no right to be here, and as "potential" citizens, they have nothing to contribute except further drain on resources and further erosion of American values and culture. The illegal alien drunk driver who just killed a nun unfortunately is also representative of illegals' apparent inability to be good citizens on any level. So yes, we do need to crack down on illegals and maybe let liberal hearts "bleed" a bit more for American citizens, including *legal* immigrants, instead. Last of all, the Washington Post has gotten sloppy on all levels. For pete's sake, correct usage is "its proposed crackdown," not "it's." Kids used to learn in grammar school how to distinguish between the possessive and a contraction. Of course, bearing in mind that catering to illegals over the years has dumbed down our schools plenty.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | August 3, 2010 1:37 AM

And the progressive argument is that illegals are generally hard working and just trying to provide for their families. Well, every crime, every death, that is at the hands of illegals wouldn't have happened if that person wasn't in this country illegally. So, liberal friends, why not have some compassiom for the victims of these crimes who wouldn't be victims if it wasn't for your policies.

Posted by: termiteavenger | August 3, 2010 1:53 AM

Well maybe the time has come once again to start using the following words to describe others, oh you know - wop, polocks, kikes, krauts, bog trotters, etc. After all it wasn't that long ago when they were used daily to describe immigrants

Amazing, an nation founded by immigrants acting this way towards others. How dumb an ignorant we are- we deserve to be treated like the garbage we are.


As to documentation - go out an acquire a passport, if you can not afford one, then you are not a 'real American' go back to where your ancestors came from. You are to poor to be an American

Posted by: ibhernandez2003 | August 3, 2010 2:00 AM

When do we get a poll that says, "Is Illegal gun running, drugs, gangs and shootings FAIR to the US CITIZEN?" With these polls already, enough! Get the hint "Fountainhead Media" your propaganda is not working. Next question?

Posted by: RWells2 | August 3, 2010 3:14 AM

Illegal is illegal, period.

Posted by: jhgueco1 | August 3, 2010 3:25 AM

The problem with the dead nun was the driver was a drunk. His immigration status is a totally worthless conflation with his crime.

If we stripped everyone of citizenship who had a DUI, the GOP would find itself unable to produce a quorum.

Lets not forget those people by and large fled violence, chaos & murder in their own countries to come to "the land of opportunity" merely because they were invited to come in and "do the jobs Americans don't want to do" by our GOP president.

Now, with things a bit tough, Mr. Kookinelli & his hare brained fascist pal Cory `KKK' Stewart want to blame the same people who came to build all the strip malls for fat stupid people in PWC for the problems that they made.

Posted by: Nymous | August 3, 2010 4:20 AM

8 million illegals are using stolen SSNs. They have already proven to unworthy of ever being a U.S. citizen.

Posted by: hunter340 | August 3, 2010 5:08 AM

Did you know the population of California was 15 million in 1950 now its 45 million. If we allow our population to triple every 50 years we will soon be Bangladesh. The illegal immigrant debate is ideal forum from which to attack the larger problem which is immigration of all kinds starting with repeal of the 14th amendment. If everyone from Mexico moves here we will be, well, Mexico.

Posted by: werowe1 | August 3, 2010 5:17 AM

The illegal "immigration" plague that infects America is in no way immigration.

It is a massive, continental, population shift of nation destroying magnitude.

20,000,000 outlaw "immigrants" are hiding out across America waiting for some sucker president and lickspittle congress to grant them AMNESTY plus free and easy American citizenship.

When that happens, word will go out on the Mexican grapevine, at the speed of light, and 20,000,000 more "immigrants" will show up as if by magic.

Then there will be more and more until Mexico and half of Central and South America is emptied out of "immigrant" desperados.

Result: America will be a third-world bedlam. A comglomeration of competing languages, cultures, and economies.

Many, once great nations have broken apart in such a way and entered cultural oblivion. Is America next??

If left to Barack H. Obama, I'm afraid so.

Posted by: battleground51 | August 3, 2010 7:17 AM

You WaPo propagandists really ought to give up on your pro-illegal "immigration"/AMNESTY crusade. Your opinion-as-news pieces are strictly running against American views and beliefs.

America is under massive invasion and Americans are becoming increasingly alarmed about it.

Now that's real news!

Posted by: battleground51 | August 3, 2010 7:37 AM

Bernie Madoff just wanted a better life for his family.

Jeff Skilling just wanted a better life for his family.

Andrew Fastow and Bernie Ebbers just wanted a better life.

As does pretty much every other criminal. What makes illegal aliens any more deserving of amnesty than an American-born human traffiker, an American-born forger, or an American-born identity thief?

Why should an illegal alien *not* be held accountable for serial fraud the way an American-born con man would be? Do they not lie on credit apps, lie on housing applications, lie on employment applications, etc. for profit, the way an American-born criminal might? The crimes they commit are no less offensive to an orderly society than are those done by my fellow citizens.

And yet time after time, the illegal isn't even charged if they agree to go back to their home country. Illegals already get preferrential treatment from the courts. And now their abettors and (non)apologists are screaming...because the illegal 'just wanted a better life for his family' and so should be given a pass on breaking the law.

So why aren't these people shrieking about the martyrdom of Madoff, Skilling et al, who did what *they* did so that *their* families could 'have a better life'? Could it be because they're white Americans? Of course not...that'd be racist.

Posted by: WilyArmadilla | August 3, 2010 7:53 AM

We have laws that pertain to how one is to immigrate to this country and thousands follow those laws, just because millions ignore our laws doesn't mean we should change our laws. Illegal is illegal in my book, and if you entered this country illegally, its time for you to go back home.

Posted by: Ronnymac | August 3, 2010 8:22 AM

What qualifies an officer to question someone's immigrant status? Do immigrants look or talk a certain way? Who will be questioned? Everyone or people who look like immigrants and who looks like an immigrant? These questions are open to the individual.

I hope VA has a lot of money to pay for discrimination lawsuits.

Posted by: rlj611 | August 3, 2010 8:43 AM

Illegal means illegal!!!! Try going to Mexico without the proper papers.

Posted by: Jimbo77 | August 3, 2010 8:50 AM

Posted by: secjet1 | August 3, 2010 1:14 AM
That nun would be alive tonight if that illegal had been deported the first time he was arrested for DUI.
We don't need more illegal drunk drivers on the road.
Deport illegals. Kick the Dems out.
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Would you feel better if the Nun was killed by an American drunk driver or some teen texting instead of paying attention to the road? She was killed by a drunk driver that happen to be illegally here. Thousands of people die each year due to drunk drivers, drivers on medication and people on their cellphones. I'm sure they are not all illegally here. Stop your hate. You might kill someone because of road rage.

Posted by: Wick41 | August 3, 2010 8:55 AM

ibhernandez2003: "bog trotters"?

Never heard of it. Is that one of the insults used by you ILLEGAL ALIENS?

"How dumb an ignorant we are- we deserve to be treated like the garbage we are."

You should be treated like the garbage you are which is why you should be deported.

Posted by: rcubedkc | August 3, 2010 9:05 AM

Hahahaha, I'm laughing at all you fools that took Troll Dwight Collins' bait. LOL, he's the biggest troll on this site.

-The politics of posters on this board aside, I think its clear from the poll numbers that support for tougher measures comes from both sides of the aisle. Being a nationi of immigrants is all fine and well, but we would be blind not to see the bathtub is overflowing.

Posted by: DPoniatowski | August 3, 2010 9:13 AM

It is truly unfortunate that libs cannot comprehend the meaning of the simple word "illegal" and instead want only certain laws enforced which coincide with what they subjectively feel is moral and fair. Worse, they call people who want laws enforced "racist". That's their epithet to use when logic and facts defeat their argument. Things will start to change drastically for the better on Nov 2. That's the "hope and change" I can believe in.

Posted by: VA_Republican | August 3, 2010 9:18 AM

When even the liberal rag WaPo poll shows a clear majority like these type laws you know the overwhelming majority of people want the current laws enforced!

Posted by: jeffreid1 | August 3, 2010 9:38 AM

If they can check me for outstanding warrants at a traffic stop, what's wrong with checking immigration status, too?

Posted by: giantsfan | August 3, 2010 9:47 AM

My earlier comment has been pulled, presumably because I offended someone by remarking on the "alleged" drunk driver's repeat DUI offenses, his repeat identity thefts -- or perhaps most of all, his illegal status. And for those playing the race or redneck cards: puh-lease. That strategy is such a joke. Since when did illegal become a race, and since when did the USA's sovereignty become redneck?

Posted by: wmpowellfan | August 3, 2010 9:50 AM

It is truly unfortunate that libs cannot comprehend the meaning of the simple word "illegal" and instead want only certain laws enforced which coincide with what they subjectively feel is moral and fair.

Posted by: VA_Republican | August 3, 2010 9:18 AM
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It is a cynical ploy to try and drive a wedge between Repubs and Dems over this issue. Let us remember that the Hero of the Right, Ronald Reagan, started this whole business with an Amnesty in 1986. Since then, there have been 12 years of Repub rule in the White House, any of whom could have made a real issue of this. Even Bush the Idiot along with John McCain was proposing an Amnesty of sorts.

As a left-leaning Independent, I believe that we need to deport ALL of the illegals. I support Az and, as much displeasure as it causes me, I applaud Cucinelli on this issue.

If we are going to do anything decisive about this, it's going to take Dems and Repubs working together to fund our border security needs and then to police our population. We had better learn to get along or else the illegals will win by playing one party against the other. It's the old Divide-and-Conquer strategy.

Posted by: JoStalin | August 3, 2010 9:56 AM

Please come to Sterling Park and decide whether you agree or not. On the way there, make a stop in Herndon and see $400K townhomes with 12 illegals living there. I remember one of the neighbors at a house we were looking at had a chickencoop full of roosters in his backyard. wonder what that was for? Hmmmm....

All these 18th street and Ms-13 gang scum need to be rounded up and sent back to the death squads in central america.

Posted by: Please_Fix_VAs_Roads | August 3, 2010 10:23 AM

When "show me your papers" starts to get used against the lighter skinned races, it will be too late to say I told you so, and then you'll wish you had paid better attention to what you said and endorsed.
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wow that almost sounds like a race war type threat unless you expect a near term wave of illegal immigration of white people from Canada. now THAT would be racist. it seems you project on others, law enforcement in particular, your own racism.

of course, it has nothing to do with "how dark you skin is" since there is not a lot of illegal immigration of africans, who have darker skin.

Posted by: dummypants | August 3, 2010 10:30 AM

bottom line, if you're making the quality of life in my community and my country worse and you're not supposed to be here (i.e., you circumvented our immigration process and you have illegal presence in this country) then i want you out, no matter if you're white, brown, pink, purple, or green.

on the other hand, with the advent of obamacare i'd gladly accept 10 million mexican primary care physicians. or even 10 million mexican republicans.

Posted by: dummypants | August 3, 2010 10:33 AM

I am defitely for immigration reform; however, this law will eventually lead to racial profiling. As for asking for my papers, all I carry is a driver's license. What papers are they reffering to? Suely the average american does not walk around with a copy of the birth certificate. As a veteran and 2nd generation US citizen I would be insulted and upset if some officer disrespected me by asking for papers. Furthermore go ahead deport all the undocumented immigrants eventually americans will finally get to know their children and the obese will have to mow their own lawns and clean their own home. It's good exercise! Do any of you carry tour birth certificate? If not, you should. Now is the time to introduce yourselves to you children and go buy a lawn mower at Sears, buy american.

Posted by: donttasemebro | August 3, 2010 10:34 AM

If they can check me for outstanding warrants at a traffic stop, what's wrong with checking immigration status, too?
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you're making WAYYYYY too much sense for an internet chat board. watch out, you might get booted.

Posted by: dummypants | August 3, 2010 10:35 AM

I am defitely for immigration reform; however, this law will eventually lead to racial profiling. As for asking for my papers, all I carry is a driver's license. What papers are they reffering to?
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why do people think its socially acceptable to chime in with a loaded charge like "racial profiling". the law specifically states that all you need to provide a driver's license. if you really cared about this and did an even moderate amount of google type research you would have known this. i dont know where this "papers" (kind of like death panels isnt it?) joke comes from.

why are so convinced law enforcement is racist? low opinion of other people, even american's finest. this is also a new and extreme argument liberals are making: repeal a law if even one case of profiling coming from it can be imagined. maybe they will next propose repealing traffic laws because of the phenomena known as "driving while black". thats how illogical these pro-illegal immigration people are.

Posted by: dummypants | August 3, 2010 10:44 AM

haha Looks like Virginia is actually for haters. This doesn't surprise me as VA is kind of a police state. I guess I want to touch on some points I have seen mentioned over and over. First of, I'm a`Hispanic Salvadorean immigrant. Came here when I was six, now in my late 20s. I am a permanent resident.

Look I get it okay. I understand that this is a problem with the overwhelming number of illegals in the country. If I was white and born here I would be pretty pissed too. Hell, I'm pissed that I pay taxes (i make enough that I owe them, no fun tax return for me!) and illegals don't have to pay anything. I get where the anger is originating.

Yet there are some things I am seeing on here that are just plain wrong. As someone that has gone through this hell of a beurocratic process, No, carrying papers around with you is not like carrying your drivers license/id around. If you lose your license you can go to the DMV and get it replaced on the spot the next day.

I lost my green card about 4 years ago. Although I am a permanent resident and the system knows this it took a little over a year to get my new COPY of my green card after paying 800 dollars. Mind you this is just for the REPLACEMENT card. Soooo...lets say I were to lose it again now. So if I get stopped and don't have it, will I be arrested? Will I have to go to court? What exactly is the procedure here?

As far as the Hispanic citizens go what is their paper work? Do they have to carry their citizenship certificate around with them? Or do they get a card too? will only the Hispanic people get this card since white people won't have to go through this procedure?

My point is that these 'papers' are very valuable and can be very time consuming to replace if lost. Licenses and even passports are cake in comparison. So this is what one is supposed to carry everywhere?

Furthermore, I'm not sure where you people are getting the idea that if an illegal is arrested they are let go and put back on the streets. Uh no not really. Not really sure why that illegal drunk guy was released but I'll tell you from what I witnessed in Arlington County Detention center that is not true at all.

This was the female unit and in my brief time there saw illegal women arrested on shoplifting and other misdemeanors who were only there for 5 days or so before being turned over to immigration jails for deportation. It does not take long. They had lawyers too and everything. They are not lenient about it at all. And this was in Arlington County which is known for being blue.

This was longer than I intended but I had to point out the inaccuracies I keep seeing. I'm hoping to get some basic answers to the basic questions listed above for the Hispanic people that aren't illegal. My green card is in a safe. I don't feel particularly comfortable carrying my (cumulative speaking) 10,000 dollar green card around everywhere. Its not because I'm offended or think I'm being profiled (which is exactly what it is but there's not much I can do about it so I'm not even bitching about that I just accept it)its that it is very EXPENSIVE and difficult to replace.

Last I just wanna say how dissapointing it is that fellow latinos that just arrived don't get their s**t together and start going through the naturalization process as soon as they get here. Yeah its a pain in the ass and expensive but it should be the first thing to do upon arrival. Or even worse the hoodlums that just got here and go out and join a gang. Now there is all this anti-hispanic sentiment because of a bunch of irresponsible f-ing people. That sucks!

Yeah me and my family are immigrants but we worked our asses off to be able to live here and we appreciate being given the opportunity to leave our third world hell and be able to live here and yeah it was on amnesty. We also NEVER received any type of government assistance even though we really could have used it when I was growing up. We just worked really hard and we aren't the only ones either.

Posted by: mywakinglife01 | August 3, 2010 10:51 AM

I am so sick of you bleeding-heart, so called Americans. Illegal by definition is a crime. What part you don't understand. I'm an American citizen and have to produce an ID at all times without complaint. This is part of the American way. Get these illegals out of my country and if they choose to stay, do it the correct way and stop draining our resources further!!!!

Posted by: daughterofold | August 3, 2010 11:27 AM

jostalin wrote: "It is a cynical ploy to try and drive a wedge between Repubs and Dems over this issue."
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Don't confuse my userid withe fact that I agree with you 100% that the Republicans were just as bad as the Dems re illegal immigration. Repubs wanted cheap labor, the Dems wanted cheap votes and more labor union members to go with the dead people and ex-convicts they're also courting for votes. Bush was even willing to go with that deal to give Mexicans amnesty AND free social security credit for however many years they had under the Mexican system. Absolutely disgusting!

Posted by: VA_Republican | August 3, 2010 11:49 AM

dummypants wrote: "haha Looks like Virginia is actually for haters. This doesn't surprise me as VA is kind of a police state."
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Perhaps, after reading your comments, you should drop the "pants" part of your userid!
Although I do find your following our laws and not relying on handouts very admirable. If Obama gets his way with amnesty, that would make folks like you and other LEGAL immigrants absolute suckers for following the rules. Btw, if you prefer jurisdictions who are more lax at enforcing the law, perhaps the People's Republic of Maryland would be more suitable for your place of residence.

Posted by: VA_Republican | August 3, 2010 12:00 PM

Sorry dummypants, it was mywakinglife01 who posted the anti-Virginia comment. My bad.

Posted by: VA_Republican | August 3, 2010 12:05 PM

I don't understand why most everyone is missing the point of what this is all really about. I am the son of Italian immigrants and I welcome the idea of anyone having the chance that my family has had in America. The problem lies in the process to become a legal immigrant. It is this flawed process that creates illegal immigrants. I believe truly that all anyone should want is to make sure that everyone is paying there taxes and doing their part. If we find "illegal immigrants" let's work to get them documented to pay taxes until their status as a citizen can be achieved. Most of them have jobs already. There should be a better process where employers can hire undocumented workers and assist them with paying taxes right of the bat. I don't have a problem with people coming here to find work. Let's be proactive and make the immigration process a more realistic one to achieve and we will have to worry about securing the border a lot less. Side note, I was in D.C. recently and saw many Latin,Asian,Indian, and Muslim Americans taking in the sites at the WWII monument. It helped me realize that they were no different than my family as they shared the pride and respect in the USA that I did. Then I turned and saw a group of 20 year old caucasians (who were probably 3rd or 4th generation americans) and their dog washing themselves in the fountain right next to the sign that says NO WADDING PLEASE which to me was as disrespectful as it gets to our soldiers who layed down their lives for all of our freedoms we enjoy today.

Posted by: Missingthepoint1 | August 3, 2010 12:06 PM

We are a nation of immigrants. True.
We are a nation of laws. Also true.

How about shooting for legal immigration?

Posted by: scott3 | August 3, 2010 12:35 PM

To pick up Scott3, we need to shoot anyone who hires an undocumented worker.

Does the right have the guts for REAL enforcement?

Posted by: Garak | August 3, 2010 12:58 PM

And the progressive argument is that illegals are generally hard working and just trying to provide for their families. Well, every crime, every death, that is at the hands of illegals wouldn't have happened if that person wasn't in this country illegally. So, liberal friends, why not have some compassiom for the victims of these crimes who wouldn't be victims if it wasn't for your policies.

POSTED BY: TERMITEAVENGER | AUGUST 3, 2010 1:53 AM
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They can't, they would lose their voting block of criminals and illegals.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | August 3, 2010 12:59 PM

missingthepoint1 wrote: "The problem lies in the process to become a legal immigrant. It is this flawed process that creates illegal immigrants."
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I think the whole income tax process is flawed so I think I'll just ignore that law and quit filing returns altogether. On second thought, it's the law so I'll follow it. My parents raised me that way.

Posted by: VA_Republican | August 3, 2010 1:03 PM

GARAK...

I don't understand the argument for going after the employers. It still leads to the same results. Illegals would still be forced out of the US once they are caught working illegally.

I guess a two-pronged strategy would be MORE effective. It would remove the illegals on the street and intimidate potential employers. Is that your goal? Or is it just to try and muddy up this whole issue so that there is no law enforcement?

Posted by: scott3 | August 3, 2010 1:06 PM

Instead of allowing the police - who probably know nothing about the immigration system to begin with - to further abuse power and racially profile, how about we adjust our laws to make it easier for immigrants to obtain status in a timely manner so they can actually work legally in this country that desperately needs their labor??

Posted by: cncurtin2 | August 3, 2010 1:35 PM

Just who would enforcement of the law be "unfair" to? Illegal aliens? Sorry, but I can't get too worked up about that since illegal aliens are by definition behaving UNFAIRLY not only to legal immigrants but to the Americans who get stuck subsidizing them.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 3, 2010 1:36 PM

When "show me your papers" starts to get used against the lighter skinned races, it will be too late to say I told you so, and then you'll wish you had paid better attention to what you said and endorsed.
Posted by: bryangalt1
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You do know that the people most often saying this are the ones trying to use it as a cover for illegal aliens to remain here?

Virtually ANY law can be misused if someone really is a racist. What is needed is transparent and evenhanded enforcement of the law--no special perks for someone because they're "brown" or White or any other color. If they're breaking the law, they're breaking the law and should take the consequences.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 3, 2010 1:40 PM

When "show me your papers" starts to get used against the lighter skinned races, it will be too late to say I told you so, and then you'll wish you had paid better attention to what you said and endorsed.
Posted by: bryangalt1
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You do know that the people most often saying this are the ones trying to use it as a cover for illegal aliens to remain here?

Virtually ANY law can be misused if someone really is a racist. What is needed is transparent and evenhanded enforcement of the law--no special perks for someone because they're "brown" or White or any other color. If they're breaking the law, they're breaking the law and should take the consequences.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 3, 2010 1:41 PM

Instead of allowing the police - who probably know nothing about the immigration system to begin with - to further abuse power and racially profile, how about we adjust our laws to make it easier for immigrants to obtain status in a timely manner so they can actually work legally in this country that desperately needs their labor??
Posted by: cncurtin2
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15 million unemployed Americans and you make that argument with a straight face? This country does NOT need the labor of illegal aliens. Employers may want "cheap" labor, but that labor is NOT cheap for citizens, and indeed, most illegal aliens compete directly with citizens and legal immigrants for jobs, thereby driving down wages.

If illegal aliens want to come to this country, then they can get in line. And yes, there is a line, back in their homelands in front of the U.S. consulate to apply for a visa.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 3, 2010 1:44 PM

mywakinglife01 wrote:"I lost my green card about 4 years ago. Although I am a permanent resident and the system knows this it took a little over a year to get my new COPY of my green card after paying 800 dollars. Mind you this is just for the REPLACEMENT card. Soooo...lets say I were to lose it again now. So if I get stopped and don't have it, will I be arrested? Will I have to go to court? What exactly is the procedure here?"
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Simple. You tell the officer you have a green card. He checks with the USCIS database which still has you in it. After all, even without the card you still have status.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 3, 2010 1:48 PM

missingthepoint1 wrote:"I don't understand why most everyone is missing the point of what this is all really about. I am the son of Italian immigrants and I welcome the idea of anyone having the chance that my family has had in America. The problem lies in the process to become a legal immigrant. It is this flawed process that creates illegal immigrants. I believe truly that all anyone should want is to make sure that everyone is paying there taxes and doing their part."
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You're the one missing the point. There are FIVE BILLION people living in countries poorer than Mexico. Now, just how do you expect us to provide jobs and services for these mostly uneducated and unskilled workers? And why should we? Just because THEY want to come here for THEIR benefit? Don't AMERICANS have a right to decide WHO and HOW MANY immigrants we take? Especially since the conditions that existed when your and my immigrant ancestors came here no longer exist: lots of open land, mostly unskilled jobs, and no welfare programs. Would you seriously tell your kid to drop out of school as a career option? Then, why would we want to bring in millions and billions of people who have less than high school and even less than grade school educations?

Posted by: Ali4 | August 3, 2010 1:52 PM

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