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How Should Goodell Handle Vick?

What should the NFL do about the Michael Vick situation?

Posted by Emil Steiner on May 19, 2009 9:55 AM
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kieran2001: If a team wants the guy, reinstate him. If nobody wants him, he stays out. Why should he have any more or fewer rights than any other ex-con...

ghettoman104: Vick has done his time...that is that, he has been punished for his mistakes and now it's time leave him be. Someone will eventually pick hi...

hithere2: A gang of white kids in Shenandoah PA beat a Mexican immigrant to death and will serve only a few months. This guy was cruel to his dogs and...

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Fiftyeight Author Profile Page :

As a Va Tech alum who does not want the name of our school besmerched, I would like to have him banned for life from any pro sports.

But, I am sure that 'show me da money' will prevail. When is the last time that sports reflected sportsmanship? Not in my recent memory.

webster11 Author Profile Page :

There are footballplayers that was accursed of murder, foul deeds against women, not providing for their children, carrying weapons, using illegal drugs. Vick confessed to dog fighting promotion. DOGs? while he was waiting trial it was reported that some Porto Ricans were tossing dogs off a bridge, with little outcry. There are nearly two million prisoners in the USA and Vick was most likely the only FEDERAL prisoner jailed for DOGFIGHTING. Justice should not be continuing. What to do aboubt Vick, Well how about leaving him alone!

waterfrontproperty Author Profile Page :

Scum. Of. The. Earth.

agent61 Author Profile Page :

I have 6 dogs. Obviously a dog lover. 3 of them I rescued. Abusing any animal is wrong and should be punished. But he has done his time and should be allowed to play football or whatever he wants to do with the rest of his life!

DaveGeorge1 Author Profile Page :

Could Webster11's comments *actually* be serious? Is anyone really that ignorant? "Porto Ricans"??? Good loooooord, this is a very stupid person.

cej62107 Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick has served his time; he has paid his debt to society; let him earn his living in his chosen profession. If you don't like him, don't attend his games and don't buy the sponsors' products. Give the price of your ticket to an animal rescue shelter.

BeltwayBoy Author Profile Page :

After all his current restrictions are lifted in July he should be reinstated! His debt to society will have been paid. This is America and he has a right to make a living. As long as a team is willing to pay him and he stays out of trouble, then let him play. Look at6 Pacman and his repeated issues, a man will never be able to walk again from one of his escapades. So everyone needs to just back off the guy. I don't condone what he did, he will have to answer for that one day !!

WestCoastDCExpat Author Profile Page :

If he shows true remores and asks for forgiveness, he deserves an opportunity to find redemption.

WestCoastDCExpat Author Profile Page :

If he shows true remorse and asks for forgiveness, he deserves an opportunity to find redemption.

hoover_booster Author Profile Page :

Playing football is how he earns his living. A conviction should not prevent a man from earning his living. If he's served his time, he is entitled to a fresh start.

However, he should never be allowed to own a dog again for the rest of his life.

dolph924 Author Profile Page :

He's done his time. He may be pond scum, but is he really worse than the murderer playing for the Ravens or some of the other pond scum in the NFL? Let him play -- and let the advertisers make sure he makes no money other than from his salary.

tmaffolter Author Profile Page :

I'm a big dog person and detest what he did. He deserved to go to jail, and he did. But except for the most exceptionally bad acts, people deserve a chance at forgiveness and redemption. That is part of being human.

gorman1762 Author Profile Page :

If Vick can work with animal rights groups by agreeing to denounce his sins for their cause, it only stands that Vick being in the NFL again works to their advantage. Dog fighting is not something only Mike Vick did. It is more prominent than you would like to believe; many other NFL players have likely participated in it. Washing him away cleans nothing; gaining a spokesman on a national stage can only help reduce the scourge of dog fighting.

nwflyfisher01 Author Profile Page :

Sure, Vick is welcome to return to the NFL after he goes through several fight-to-the-death cage matches.

jackrichmond100 Author Profile Page :

Oh hell, I think he has learned his lesson to not break laws. However, only a psychiatrist could help him eliminate his tendency for cruelty toward animals. It is common knowledge that one who hurts animals also probably hurt the humans in their circle of influence. So, if he hurts his wife or children, he should go to a psychiatric prison until he is about 60.

davesharpe Author Profile Page :

anyone who thinks he has not been punished enough is a fool, i have 3 dogs myself but as far as i am concerned you are all nuts down there, torture dogs off to jail, torture people and all is good...talk about facked up

alutz08 Author Profile Page :

He has done the time, and has paid for his mis-deeds via time served, fortune lost, and the possibility of the game passing him by. As long as he is sincere, I believe he has earned some forgiveness and the chance to again play in the league. Remember there are far worse things done by pro sports athletes, and they never saw the time behind bars that Vick has done.

ynotp Author Profile Page :

Mr Vick did a crime and served the time for it. He has paid for breaking the Law. If he can regain his position as a professional football player, good luck to him. America is perhaps the greatest Democracy in the world and one of its tenets is offering people a Second Chance. Good Luck Mr Vick.

jimeglrd8 Author Profile Page :

Although I disapprove of dog fighting and any other form of cruelty to animals I think Michael Vick should be permitted to resume his NFL career. Football is a very cruel sport which might explain why Mr. Vick is such a cruel person. Nevertheless, he has been severely punished both in terms of time in prison and money. He should be allowed to make a living as a football player. Judging how he has lived his life so far he can probably make millions as a football player but after his career is over he will be dead broke in a couple of years.
As far as cruelty to animals the way we treat cattle, pigs, chickens and other animals we like to eat is just as cruel as "dog fighting".

cjmat7 Author Profile Page :

We are a second chance giver Nation. He did his time. I am sure he has remorse for what he has done. Vick made a very bad mistake. It will live with him forever. He is no dummy. He knows he made a mistake. He deserves a second chance.

brucerealtor@gmail.com Author Profile Page :

FOR GOD'S SAKE,

THIS WAS A DOG FIGHT ---

NOT A DRUG BUST,

NOT AN ASSAULT ON ANOTHER HUMAN BEING

AND NOT A HOMICIDE !!!
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VICK, YOU WERE FOOLISH AND PERHAPS EVEN STUPID, BUT YOU ++++ CLEARLY ++++ DESERVE A FRESH START.

brucerealtor@gmail.com Author Profile Page :

FOR GOD'S SAKE,

THIS WAS A DOG FIGHT ---

NOT A DRUG BUST,

NOT AN ASSAULT ON ANOTHER HUMAN BEING

AND NOT A HOMICIDE !!!
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VICK, YOU WERE FOOLISH AND PERHAPS EVEN STUPID, BUT YOU ++++ CLEARLY ++++ DESERVE A FRESH START.

brucerealtor@gmail.com Author Profile Page :

FOR GOD'S SAKE,

THIS WAS A DOG FIGHT ---

NOT A DRUG BUST,

NOT AN ASSAULT ON ANOTHER HUMAN BEING

AND NOT A HOMICIDE !!!
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VICK, YOU WERE FOOLISH AND PERHAPS EVEN STUPID, BUT YOU ++++ CLEARLY ++++ DESERVE A FRESH START.

FrontierWoman Author Profile Page :

Hmm. Convicted felon Michael Vick in the NFL? Give him a second chance? Think itwould actually be a third or fourth one if you count his behavior while at Va. Tech. Ask the rescuers who are dealing with the dogs he and his buddies abused for fun and profit. Ask the people who had to put down the dogs that could not be rescued.

But, then again, it is the NFL. Maybe they could have a team called The Arrested and Convicted. Certainly have enough current and former players to fill out its ranks.

Mecarswell Author Profile Page :

As repugnant as it was, Vick has payed his debt and if an NFL team owner wants to hire him, let it happen. Hopefully, he has gained perspective and fully understands the enormity of his misdeeds in the public's eyes.

falco1 Author Profile Page :

No way, no how. Sure, Vick broke the law, he was convicted and punished, but you don't always get a second chance at some things in life. This is one of them.

In lots of jobs, you can be banned from life for committing sex crimes or DUI's. The cruelty he exhibited towards his animals is no less heinous. Dog fighting and the associated torture of animals is one of those things that is beyond the Pale.

I'd like JUST ONCE for the NFL or some other major sports organization to step up and say that sometimes the difference between right and wrong is more important than sports.

If Vick is reinstated in the NFL, it just puts another brick in the wall between "normal" societal standards, ...and the standards we have for athletes. Morally, it's the wrong thing to do.

TomGough2 Author Profile Page :

I'll decide after I see how well Jason Campbell plays in the first few games :)

in all seriousness let him play if he shows true remorse. These were dogs not humans and he has served his time.

Sam4337 Author Profile Page :

It used to be that NFL players were people that adults wanted to emulate and children could look up to. Michael Vick does not fit either of these descriptions and should not be welcome back into the NFL.

Sam4337 Author Profile Page :

It used to be that NFL players were people that adults wanted to emulate and children could look up to. Michael Vick does not fit either of these descriptions and should not be welcome back into the NFL.

msmith2 Author Profile Page :

A number of people said, in various forms, that he's paid his debt to society and should be allowed to earn his living in his profession, like everyone else. Except that is not true. There are many professions that will not take you back after a felony conviction. You couldn't go back to being a cop or a lawyer. If Vick was an insurance salesman, he wouldn't be able to do that either because it requires a state license with no felony convictions.

My problem is the NFL. They don't have a set policy that they apply evenly, like these other professions, where it is crystal clear that if you are convicted felon, you're not getting in to these careers. The NFL has brought this problem on themselves by coddling too many criminals in the past. On Vick, they are between a rock and a hard place and either decision is going to be a bad one.

blackmask Author Profile Page :

Police science has found most serial killers begin their attempts at murderous glory by torturing or killing animals. The NFL treats the players like high priced battle animals. Sportsmanship has no place in the big business of sports anymore, and the morons who are salivating for Vick's return show how morally bankrupt they are by ignoring the very clear, very intense psychological problems that lunatic has displayed very clearly in favor of a win at any cost. Sports are a distraction from real life, a steroidal soap opera for repressed individuals who cannot achieve their own glory in life.

dmahon Author Profile Page :

He should not get a second chance. He has a felony conviction and a propensity to lie. As for those who try to distinguish between a dog's death and a humans...cruelty to animals today and can lead to cruelty to humans next...it can be a build up.

macgregorcass Author Profile Page :

Kick him to the curb!!!
His lack of moral fiber is disgusting. Anyone who is in a position to be held as a hero for developing children should have high moral values. This creature does not.
He blew his football hero status when he abused those animals. Let him earn a regular salary like the rest of us common folks. To earn millions after his behavior has been exposed would be a travesty.

spsmith581 Author Profile Page :

I just heard Anderson Cooper say, "THE TRUTH IS, I DON'T CARE ABOUT MICHAEL VICK, I CARE ABOUT HIS DOGS."

The Judge decided 23 months was sufficient. We are a country of laws; not vigilante justice. Let him get on with his life and play ball if he wants to. Or maybe he can become a lawyer.

jimarush Author Profile Page :

Vick served his time and should get a second chance. The abuse of the dogs in his care was inexcusable and that is why he served 23 months in prison and lost millions of dollars. The vindictiveness of the so-called animal lovers can be likened to people who blow up abortion clinics and kill people in order to save unborn babies. That anger backfired on anti-abortionist and the hatred and anger shown by the various animal protection groups will backfire on them. I am already starting to question my donations to these various groups.

softballgirl11 Author Profile Page :

I think Michael Vick should get a second chance. I have heard of people killing humans and get less time than he did. You people need to start thinking more of human life than your animals.

democratus Author Profile Page :

As long as Killer Ray plays in Baltimore Mike Vick should be allowed to play. I mean who is the NFL kidding? As if they are above letting criminals play. Good Grief!!

kguy11 Author Profile Page :

I find this a tough call. On the one hand, if Vick is banned he'll probably end up in some criminal enterprise and back in jail eventually. Face it, there is no way other than football that this guy can earn a living. Broadcasting? Forget it. Management? No way. OTOH what he did was pretty heinous and he's not shown any real tendency to change his ways. If he is allowed back in the NFL there are only a few teams who could take the PR hit (Raiders) and could utilize his skill set. I think that Vick should study the life of that other Mike, Tyson, because he may be following in his footsteps.

xconservative Author Profile Page :

davesharpe - you're the fool. Vick is a pysco. He didn't make a "mistake." He didn't have a lapse of judgment. He is guilty of unbelievable cruelty to animals so that he and his buddies could be entertained. What he went through doesn't even begin to pay back what he did.

I feel sorry for your dogs.

Joe4 Author Profile Page :

Vick is a thug and criminal, like many other players in the National Felons League. The NFL should try to get rid of these idiots, but they won't as there is too much money involved. I lost interest in it years ago. I will not waste my time on any given Sunday watching these idiots kill each other to satisfy the masses for blood lust. Rome had it right, just give the people bread and blood and they will remain compliant to the demands of the regime.

MaxInJax Author Profile Page :

Of course he should be given a second chance! It's up to the Teams to decide if they want to give him a chance to compete for the position... It would be very hypocritical of the Commish not to reinstate him when there are numerous criminals in the League who have not paid their debt to Society for what they have done/committed... After all, this is still America!

MochaB Author Profile Page :

Until the NFL has a league wide policy on allowing convicted felons to continue employment, Michael Vick should be allowed to play. Just because they don't ban him doesn't mean anyone has to hire him. I feel sorry for the team that takes him. It'll be a mess. I'm an animal lover and a vegetarian and even I agree that some of these animal rights groups (PETA) are wacky. The team that takes Vick is going to have protests all season and will probably lose some season ticket holders. But, as other posters have said, the league has never banned felons before... why should they start now. They have every right to decide who they will and won't hire but it should be a universal standard and they don't have that.

demtse Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick has paid his debt to society. He has the right to petition the NFL to return and play. He should not be singled out and treated as a pariah for being convicted of sanctioning dog fights. The NFL wants to preserve its image with the Humane Society and PETA, and make it difficult for Vick to return. How much attrition and butt-kicking does Vick have to do before he is giving a chance to show remorse for his actions? The NFL should put this incident behind them and move on, and decide if it will let Vick return, or ban him for life.

balletbertha Author Profile Page :

Sure he's done his time, but if you put him in any public arena he will be booed and hissed. He graduated from college, he ran a successful business (sic), let him go do something else to prove himself. Any team he is on will be plagued with this very discussion, not to mention those fans who absolutely hate him, If he's so smart, let him do something smarter than try to regain fame, how about regaining respect.

Goldmund52hotmailcom Author Profile Page :

Animal abuse and torture is a felony. It is a horrendous crime where grown men (of wealth and fame in this instance) gather to watch starved, beaten and enraged animals kill other animals, many times sick and defenseless animals.
Michael Vicks, in my opinion, is a seriously damaged individual. The only thing he has a right to do is to eat Dog Chow every morning and pick up dog poop the rest of the day. That's all he's good for.Send him to Dick Cheney. I know Dick will have some work for him.
But if you think I'm going to watch that insane cretan throw a ball around and make 900 million dollars a year for doing it, you have another thing coming.

anonpost1 Author Profile Page :

First check your facts! This was not "just a dog fight" (as if fighting dogs for pleasure is not bad enough). Micheal Vick KILLED dogs. KILLED them for no reason other than the fact that he and his miserable cronies allowed the beautiful animals to mutilate each other for sport! They then executed them and tossed them away like garbage. Where is the honorable sportsman in that? Where is the courage, the humanity in slaughtering animals for fun? I would rather he be a gun toting, drug dealing scum-bag who shot and killed other scumbags than the sorry joke of a man that he is....killing God's creatures. The innocent ones. Shame on him! SHAME on any one of you who holds to the belief that Dogs or any other innocent creature are placed here for man to use and abuse. Micheal Vicks is no better than a THUG! He certainly is a murderer.
Let him live out his life as a social outcast. Remorse or not he deserves no pity or another "break".

ednasmith Author Profile Page :

he should not be rewarded. this was a felony and he does not get another break. If he does is shows the younger generation no respect for the law or life of animals or people.

ggm71 Author Profile Page :

Absolutely -- he has paid his debt -- permit him to resume his career.

xSamplex Author Profile Page :

Kick him to the curb. Too bad for him he was too brutish and stupid to appreciate how fortunate he was. If he couldn't throw a football, I doubt you'd see any support for him at all. As if anyone would even care...

quirkyd Author Profile Page :

If the NFL is smart, they will do the obvious and not let this guy play in their league. His behavior since being in the spotlight (college and pro) has always repulsed me; there has been a sense of arrogance that manifested itself into the cruelest acts one could commit against defenseless creatures. The NFL will have a mess on its hands with protests at every game he plays.

dbeins Author Profile Page :

He is not worth the headache. His presence will distract from whatever team he may go to.
Most of all, for all the hype around him as a player, he wasn't a very good QB. His best asset were his legs and now, after a broken leg and 3 years out, he will have slowed down. He never showed a great ability to read defenses.
He just inst worth the hassle

Haien Author Profile Page :

What he did was disgusting and if the NFL allows him back, it shows that the only thing they care about is greed. Those who say it was only an animal need to think long and hard. Animals are dependent on us, just like children are. To abuse them is to violate the trust and love that dogs so blindly show.

mslady332004 Author Profile Page :

He's done his time. He should be able to play ball or whatever he decides to do without further persecution. Let him be!

adrienne_najjar Author Profile Page :

No second chances. Once a jerk, always a jerk.

bonnie6 Author Profile Page :

For Brucerealtor, I can say that I wouldn't have you selling a "dog house" for me!! What an outrageous attitude regarding animals!!
I for one did not care if Vick served any time, I only wanted him to be banned from the NFL forever!!! I still cannot believe that there is no rule regarding convicted felons and playing in the NFL. Vick is a cruel individual and should never play again.

DCScribe1 Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick has paid and exorbitant debt to society and he should unequivocably be allowed to resume his NFL career. What he did was cruel and stupid but he's done his pennance. People, let's put this all in perspective, the victims of this crime were animals, not humans. Keep in mind that this is a country that treated humans (Blacks)worse than these dogs were treated. Who's serving jail time for those heinous, unforgivable, and blatant violations of human, not animal, rights? No one. This country was actually built on the back of the slave trade, one of the most vicious, inhumane, and degrading acts against humans in world history. The audacity of this country to persecute Vick to this extent, in light of this country's violent, overt history and corrupt, covert present is laughable. Be serious, would peyton Manning have received the same sentence? Chew on that for a minute.

gmarkross3 Author Profile Page :

Once Vick has paid his debt to society, he should be able to go back to the profession he is trained for ...Pro Football ... I think the question is who will have him knowing that this set off a firestorm of attention and distraction to the locker room. Not to mention potential backlash from the Fans... But Jerry Jones pulled it off with T.O

As far as compensation, I feel he is damaged goods and he will have to go on the cheap. Its the only card he can play right now.
There will be no more big paydays.
There will be no more endorsements.

andreab82 Author Profile Page :

I'm amazed by these comments. What he did was wrong. But please realize that the government only prosecuted him because they weren't getting their cut (in taxes) of the money spent on the fights. The government could care less about the dogs.
I'm a dog lover. I've had dogs all of my life. Like I said, he was wrong. But he's paid his debt to society. And realize that his penalty was much harsher than other people who are prosecuted for this as a first offense. He should be allowed to go back into the NFL. I would never wish for anyone to lose their livelihood. The NFL is full of men with rap sheets for assult, battery, drug use, drug sale, abuse of wives or girlfriends, sexual abuse, and even manslaughter and you hear little to nothing about it. And you mean to tell me that you dont want someone who fought dogs and went to prision and paid fines for it to be able to return to their life? This case was blown way out of proportion and this shouldn't hang over his head for life. When did the lives of animals surpass the value of our neighbors?

jerryslagle1 Author Profile Page :

He's toast, man. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. He (and all NFL players) are held to a higher standard: There are too many youngsters that look to Michael Vick, Tom Brady, Mercury Morris, Roger Starbuck, Fran O'Brien, Paul Hornung (see where I am going with this?), Jerome Bettis... ALL of the players of the NFL...for guidance as role models. Michael violated that sacred status by his actions. He's done, finished, gone,... toast. Maybe he could take his winnings and open up a kennel for stray animals - that would be the humane thing to do. But future member of the NFL? He has had his bite of the apple and it rotted in his hand. He'd toast. Jerry Slagle

OwainOzymandiasBuck Author Profile Page :

Well, considering that there are players in the league who have been responsible for the deaths of HUMANS, I say he should be reinstated. The unnatural, urbanocentric world view that gives dogs a higher status than people has blown this all out of proporiton.

I don't want him back as QB, however. I want to see him as a "mystery" back--put him in the backfield and you never know who to focus on. He's not a good passer, but he's quick and super smart on the ground. Tough, too.

Come to think of it, he's kind of like one of his dogs. You could create one hell of a study in existentialism on that one. Don't kill the dog/yourself, Mike. Proclaim the dog, and embrace it's single-minded drive to be, to catch and come to grips, never to yield.

granadoskerry Author Profile Page :

The league can do what it wants. If he's playing, I'm not watching. Ever.

stonemanor Author Profile Page :

We've had leaders in our government lie to us, take us into wars where hundreds of thousands of people have been needlessly killed, including Americans. We haven't charged them with anything and they go about their lives working at high paying jobs, living well and presumably happy. I love animals and think they should be treated well. Now that Michael Vick has paid for his crime, why should society now rob him of his means of making a living. Let him work and if the NFL wants to hire him, let's let him go back to work. Cast the first stone, ye who are without sin.

Waffle1 Author Profile Page :

it's true: the double standard that burned vick will haunt him. dogfights are so common all across american and officials and citizens everywhere turn a blind eye. but when a figure as high-profile as mike vick gets caught up in something, the inept press had to make an example of him ... not for the principle, for the f*ckin story.

oh, and yeah, he will be playing nfl football in the very near future. and maybe closer than you may think.

Finn Author Profile Page :

He paid a very harsh penalty and has paid his debt to society for his actions. As such, he, like everyone else, deserves a second chance.

Persistence62 Author Profile Page :

Give him a brake. If he behaves like an arrogant idiot who think he deserves it, kick him out.Some of these "ballplayers" truly feel entitled to everything, but that is not the case. Life does not owe him or anybody for that reason, anything. Earn it or go do something else.

pd2710 Author Profile Page :

No more chances for Vick in the NFL. He is a perjuror but much more importantly, anyone who would pick up dogs and slam them to the ground just to be rid of them (to say nothing of the incredibly brutal dog fighting ring he was instrumental in) has DEEP, DEEP seeded head problems. His parole should be conditioned on a minimum of 10 years intensive therapy to try to tame his soul-less nature and acts.
The NFL needs Vick like they need to declare dog fighting the national sport.
Sack him for GOOD!!!

bobby20 Author Profile Page :

Yes, Michael should have a chance to play again. He has served his time and now its time for him to move on with his life, personally & professionally.

jhpurdy Author Profile Page :

Here's why I wouldn't sign Vick if I owned an NFL team. This is a guy who was the face of the franchise in Atlanta, had a multi-million dollar contract and was set for life. Then, for some unfathomable reason (a desire to "keep it real"?) he bankrolled a dogfighting operation and personally killed animals that didn't perform. I mean, it's not like he got screwed up via alcohol or drugs. He seems to have not realized that he was jeopardizing everything he had in return for some sadistic amusement. I don't think I would want to offer someone this stupid a contract and put him in the position of leading my offense.

TimPage1 Author Profile Page :

I think it would be a just punishment to put him in a cage with two enraged pit bulls and to let the better "men" win.

Lee_Lewis_66 Author Profile Page :

I thought the purpose to going to prision was to punish him. And now that he has serve his time he still needs to be punish? I have question to every one in the entire world. who in the entire world has never broken any laws that we as humans made? Just a question. And it's also funny to me that a dog has more rights then a human.

elizac Author Profile Page :

I cared about professional football for about 5 minutes when Vick came to the Falcons. Then he imploded. He never was very good, he's all hype and little substance, and doesn't do one positive thing for the game. That was before his arrest for a criminally cruel and insane pasttime that only the most dullheaded of the world would find worthwhile or defensible. The NFL would do nothing but continue to lose credibility if it brought him back - their choice. They can try to wrestle the sport back from thugs, or just hand it over to them.

arhlene Author Profile Page :

Every make mistakes; ALL have sinned and fall short. Give him another chance.

Spencer99 Author Profile Page :

Dogs. I repeat, dogs. Any harm to a human on any level is worse than killing a dog in my view, yet this man's punishment was in line with a violent crime conviction. Nobody is defending the behavior, it is all about relative degree, and this man should be back in the NFL playing

CashNDC Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick deserves a chance back with he NFL, his lesson should be learned. On the other hand what this will be all about is the hate! Mostly from White Folks bitter for reason of being them. The legal system has given Vick a second chance, now if the NFL can't then we all know where they hang they're sheets.

If anyone on this blog think they are perfect and above making mistake then let us know address and everything. Then let's see what the media digs up on you. Vick has learned a key lesson that most Black men should learn early. A lot of his problems was through association and negative values learned from where he was raised. However, the forces to be in this blog are probably the same folks who feel Bush and Cheney were right on everything they did in Washington. America is one big screwed up place with blinders for our on behavior!

mddg777 Author Profile Page :

No. This is a guy who likes to kill and torture dogs. Some football fans argue this is "not as bad" as torturing and killing children, but it is still not good.

danglorules Author Profile Page :

I don't condone what he did he didn't need the money but I'm guessing it was something he had probably been involved in before fame, because I fail to see otherwise why when he was an NFL player he would have needed to resort to partaking in this.

However saying that Vick has served his time why should he be punished for the rest of his life. If this had happened to somebody else e.g. a friend or somebody not in the public eye people would be sympathetic. Give the man a chance let him try and put his life back together he deserves it.

rjchittamssr Author Profile Page :

Ted Kennedy killed a girl - pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and didn't do a day in jail - and now he is considered the Dean of the United States Senate. Michael Vick killed a dog and people don't want him to play football?

marylbailey Author Profile Page :

Vick should be put in a pen with his dogs and let them rip his ugly head off. Hate the guy.

Utahreb Author Profile Page :

Since the NFL has no set rules about a convicted felon playing, they will do what they think will bring in the money and the sponsors. If Vick plays for ANY team, I will not watch their games and will write, email, call any sponsor of those games and will not buy their products. Most serial killers start their crime sprees by torturing and killing animals - proven fact - then go on to humans. In my opinion, he dd not do enough time nor has there been enough time for psych evaluations and treatment for cause to believe he is truly sorry and understands just what heinous crimes he committed.

dc4life Author Profile Page :

Why not? He should be able to seek gainful employment. He's a football player.

nosurprise2me Author Profile Page :

Stupid is as stupid does. No doubt he will play again. Trash is trash and cash is cash. I think he is a pityful person.

chappellizme Author Profile Page :

i think this is some total BS. the nfl banished vick over some dogs, when we got players out here going to court for attemped murder, DUI's, and drug charges. if the nfl doesn't bring vick back that are going to miss out a good quarterback. he is still a vilable player with good stats and no injuries

wmiller100 Author Profile Page :

What this man did is beyond cruelty, its pure evil

joequimbycat Author Profile Page :

Players who respect themselves should refuse to take the field if Vick is playing. Maybe if the players understand that actions have consequnces, they will think before acting irresponsibly. Maybe if players show respect for themselves, they can really be role models for young players.

robharris45226 Author Profile Page :

Frankly, he is simply not worth it. He is already getting his second chance – he is out of jail. Denying him the NFL will allow him to demonstrate remorse on a daily basis...for the rest of his life.

kendra2 Author Profile Page :

It's funny, we have more compassion for animals than we do for human beings! Why was he giving two years in jail for dog fighting? He has every right to play football and do whatever the hell he wants to do with his life after that ridiculous experience!!!!!!

sannhet Author Profile Page :

Everyone deserves a second chance. What Vick did was despicable, but he has suffered the legal and social consequences and paid the required penal debt.

I think what makes people, including me, especially angry and unforgiving is his arrogance and his utter lack of appreciation of how fortunate--how extremely well off--he was making $13 million each year. Few people will see even a fraction of that amount in a lifetime of working.

Thus, it would be nice if Vick not only expresses remorse for what he did, but also demonstrates sincere appreciation for what he will have if he is reinstated. He instantly will become better off than 99 percent of the population that is more deserving but not as talented.

tariq123k Author Profile Page :

Vick has paid for his crime, he should be allowed to play. NFL should not act like a secondary judiciary.
I am an Asian American (neither black or white)but I think that there is a race issue here.

CyniCal11 Author Profile Page :

As reprehensible as Vick’s deeds were he has paid, or is paying, his debt to society. Unless there is a clause which precludes felons from playing professional football he is eligible. Moral turpitude is not applicable to Vick as there have been equally egregious acts committed by well know NFL athletes who were not barred from the game.
For every individual likely to be reading this post, you would desire a second chance to redeem yourselves should you fall from grace in your personal lives. Why would you desire to prohibit the same opportunity to someone else? Last time I looked we all put on our pants one leg at a time.
Let him play, but hold him on a short leash—pardon the expression.

legendarypunk Author Profile Page :

cjmat7 said, "We are a second chance giver Nation. He did his time. I am sure he has remorse for what he has done. "

I am sure he has remorse too...remorse that he got caught. Does anybody believe that if he had not been caught he would have stopped on his own?

Personally, I would not let him back in. Morally, what he did was cowardly and despicable. Professionally, I think it would be horrible PR for the NFL.

However, the NFL is a business, and they
are free to do as they please. Just as I am free to not watch / attend any games in which he is playing.

keyne23@yahoo.com Author Profile Page :

Give him another chance. He has paid his debt to society. We are twisted as a country. Here we have a man who was convicted for dog fighting and it took Drew Peterson's 4th wife to come up missing before we finally attempt to charge him with his third wife's murder. Get a grip on reality.

diesel_skins_ Author Profile Page :

Let's not pretend Vick was a Boy Scout who made one mistake. He's got a long history of bad behavior ranging from drug abuse (you've seen the pictures, you know about the false-bottom water bottle) to flipping off his own fans. He's a scumbag. He comes from a bad family in a bad neighborhood. He went to Va Tech, a school known for producing dirtbags.

He may have paid his debt to society for this one act, but that doesn't mean the NFL should let him represent their brand. No, Vick deserves a second chance: and he can start by mopping out the kennels in an animal shelter.

Any team that signs him should be prepared for the well-deserved backlash. Of course, the only teams likely to sign him are the Bengals or Raiders, both known for the criminality of their players. Or, of course, the Redskins -- known for the utter stupidity of their front office.

personal_responsibility Author Profile Page :

Whether the NFL chooses to let him play or not is mute. I suspect a great number of fans will shun his team, refuse to support his endorsements, etc. I can't imagine any commercial sponsor would want Vick promoting their products (well maybe the NRA : ). Hopefully the young children who look up to football players will never want to wear a NFL logo from Vick's team. The American public will get their point across no matter what decision the NFL makes.

MargaretP Author Profile Page :

No, keep him out - forever. This is not someone you want your children emulating.

devilsadvoc8 Author Profile Page :

He did his time now let him play. Broncos I hope you got your eye on him.

wkhloe Author Profile Page :

I myself am a dog owner, love my dog BUT you naysayer’s must remember you are being so hard on this man for dog fighting and I don’t hear the fight about how child molesters get less damn time! Remember it is an animal and it should not be put through unnecessary trauma, but fight a meaningful fight for humans first. I guess you would never understand unless you were molested or had a child molested. Get a grip people, let this man redeem himself and make a fair living.

pcllc2 Author Profile Page :

Kick him to the curb - he's the WORST kind of role model for young men and women. He has shown no remorse for the tremendous amount of cruelty he inflicted on the innocent. He does not belong in ANY national venue - sports or otherwise.

wkhloe Author Profile Page :

I myself am a dog owner, love my dog BUT you naysayer’s must remember you are being so hard on this man for dog fighting and I don’t hear the fight about how child molesters get less damn time! Remember it is an animal and it should not be put through unnecessary trauma, but fight a meaningful fight for humans first. I guess you would never understand unless you were molested or had a child molested. Get a grip people, let this man redeem himself and make a fair living.

mjsaes1973 Author Profile Page :

Mike made a mistake. He's paid his dues. Snyder and the Redskins should be knocking at his door. Snyder has the money. Mike plays football from the heart. He's an excellent football player. Should the Redskins consider getting him, they should play both him and Jason Campbell. That should put something on the other teams minds. Maybe by doing this, the Redskins will have a real good chance of going all the way this season. Just let him play! The past is past. God has forgiven him, why can't we all. P.S., We are dog lovers!

m_tommy Author Profile Page :

Michael has to prove that he can still play at an NFL level. He has to demonstrate that first and foremost. If he can do that, then some team will take a chance on him.

I have my doubts that he can still perform.

rachelbishop Author Profile Page :

I've already advised my teenaged sons that should MV play - the game won't be watched on any technology in our home.

eyeswideopen2 Author Profile Page :

I don't think it has to do with Mr. Vick and his employment. I'm sure he's qualified to do lots of things. It has nothing to do with his remorse either. It simply should be the case that the NFL should hold its players to a higher standard. "Not currently in jail" is hardly a qualification for being starring quarterback and receiving the adulation of an entire city.

Playing professional sports is a privilege, and by default sports figures become role models for our children. Those people who choose to compete at a professional level undertake that choice with an understanding that their conduct will be under much more scrutiny than that of most other professionals, and a lot will be expected of them. Just like when the anthem plays in the ball park they are expected to stand up straight and put their hands on their hearts, so too they are expected to keep their noses clean. What Mr. Vick did was especially heinous.

There are, I am sure, lots of young men who would do whatever is necessary to compete for an entry spot as a quarterback in the NFL. Give one of those kids an honest break, and send Mr. Vick on his way. His (negative) example is an important one that our kids can learn from, if we talk about it in the right way. What can I say to my kids if instead he's right back in the Falcon's starting lineup?

DZPost Author Profile Page :

Mr. Vick has paid his debt. We all need redemption. Judge, lest ye be judged. Let Mr. Vick share his talent.

captkilowatt Author Profile Page :

The Post ran the exact same reader opinion feature a year ago or less. Clearly some people at the Post think this question should be asked again and again.

There's lots of up-and-comers who could be great quarterbacks in the NFL. While I appreciate that Vick did much to invigorate the Hotlanta franchise, is there anyone out there that really believes a return to his glory days is in store? The "could have been" legend will be a far greater player than the "has been ex-con".

There are roughly two schools of thought here:

1) Animal cruelty is inexcusable and demonstrates the presence of more serious, deep-seated emotional problems

2) Dog fighting is acceptable in some cultures and those that find it acceptable or inoffensive want Vick reinstated.

The problem for the NFL is that they need loyal fans in group 1 AND group 2. The interesting question will be how important group 1 is to the NFL. This is much bigger than just an issue of dog fighting. It's really a culture clash.

spauldi Author Profile Page :

Everyone deserves a 2nd chance, but why a major contract with a football team just because he plays well. His actions were unspeakable, how can anyone be so cruel to living creatures? He had his "big break". Now hit the pavement and find a job and live like the normal folk.

witchofwestghent Author Profile Page :

While I understand that he did not beat or murder a person, deal drugs or have any weapons. He deserved to be made an example of and he was. While I personally will never watch another NFL game (and yes I do watch now so don't get all excited and think otherwise) if he is reinstated, I don't expect others to do the same. My feelings are personal. In addition I am hoping that all pet products companies will pull advertising from the NFL. I would also like to see other football stars who think Vick's behavior makes him less deserving of humane treatment espouse the causes surrounding animal rights instead of being silent.

chuckwilson Author Profile Page :

Everyone deserves a second chance. Vick knows nothing but football and the NFL should not prevent him from seeking employment with the League. Are persons who have committed much more serious crimes prevented from seeking re-employment on Wall St. or elsewhere after they have paid for their crimes? No. It would be totally unjust and sanctimonious in the extreme if the NFL made any attempt to keep Vick from playing in the League. Vick's crimes were despicable but he has served his time and deserves a chance for redemption. I wish him the best.

betbee65 Author Profile Page :

I think Vick should be thrown under the bus!
John F Kennedy said it best..."Forgive your enemies, but don't forget their names"...this is Vick legacy, he will not be forgotten, ever. The murdering he did to helpless animals will not be forgotten, he is one sick man, and Vick should NEVER be allowed to play pro sports again, not in his onery lifetime.
I oppose him to the nth degree.
Betty Berger, Chicago, IL

bear3 Author Profile Page :

Yes...move on. He's not the only one on this blog who has done something stupid.

ariesgirl4 Author Profile Page :

Absolutely not. You cannot equate one crime against another. Goodell needs to finally set a great example that this kind of behavior (dog fighting, drugs, gambling, etc.) is unacceptable.

This guy blew it. He had everything, decided to act like a thug throughout his life, made more money than most people will ever see, and he got caught. So what if he served his time. He's not a regular person--he was a pro athlete that should have known better. Forget the excuses of where he came from before.

Goodell's reputation is on the line and he'd be stupid to take the chance. Vick deserves to work with any other released criminal in work release program.

Windsunsurf Author Profile Page :

Forgiveness is allowable and laudable.

Does Mr. Vick have a repentive heart?

I for one do not know.

After all this is about money, not about felony.
What about all the other people who are felons, have they been or are they able to get a second chance? Let me see, very few, and We the people need to do something about this double standard... Jail does not reform. A person needs to reform, can Mr. Vick? Pay me and I'll reform for casting my opinions...WSS

MUPPET Author Profile Page :

webster11 :
There are footballplayers that was accursed of murder, foul deeds against women, not providing for their children, carrying weapons, using illegal drugs. Vick confessed to dog fighting promotion. DOGs? while he was waiting trial it was reported that some Porto Ricans were tossing dogs off a bridge, with little outcry. There are nearly two million prisoners in the USA and Vick was most likely the only FEDERAL prisoner jailed for DOGFIGHTING. Justice should not be continuing. What to do aboubt Vick, Well how about leaving him alone!====================

I for one, agree with you. It's just dogs for goodness sake. Federal prison for dogfighting, talk about over kill!

Does anyone else besides me think had he not been black and rich he would have not gone to prison.


ozpunk Author Profile Page :

This has all the makings of a Hollywood redemption story...

kc4more Author Profile Page :

Let he who is without sin . . .

If anyone thinks that Michael Vick’s dog-related behavior is out of the ordinary, then they haven’t seen NFL football, or boxing, or any of the violent “sports” in which men actually die. They haven’t seen Mohamed Ali or Joe Frazier (just the two most notable casualties of "condoned" sports) lately.

Dog-fighting is a natural consequence of this country’s embrace of violence. So, to railroad a great football player into jail for activity that is just a corollary of his profession, and of societal attitudes, is sheer hypocrisy.

I think the man should be dusted off and returned to the NFL with apologies from all the idiots who, in their exaggerated, misplaced "compassion” are trying to elevate animals to the same level as humans. Then he should demand and receive back pay from the Falcons, and compensation from the NFL for pain and suffering.

For those who are thinking from the pocket, Michael Vick brought a new level of excitement to the game, and I am sure he is still a fantastic draw, and will fill NFL coffers as he leads his gladiators onto the field for their weekly “battle to the ...”

Tempy_McJobhunt Author Profile Page :

Its simple: If Leonard Little, who killed an actual human being while drunk driving, was allowed to continue his career, then Vick should be given the same opportunity.

Woodstocknative Author Profile Page :

He's paid big for his crime and should be allowed to try a come back. I'm sure Dan Snyder has already contacted his agent.

WODRR Author Profile Page :

Personally, I don't have an answer to this. On the one hand, I would vote that he banned for life, but on the other hand, players who have done far worse have been reinstated or even not punished at all (e.g. Ray Lewis). Probably the fairest thing is to give him a second chance after his probation period is over. For the future I would like to see a clear and much stricter NFL policy, but that ain't going to happen because they will always treat a popular, marquee-type player more leniently than others.

ch4gas Author Profile Page :

Yes, this dirtbag has paid his debt. Let him now go get a job. But NOT as a role model by playing professional sports. Any team that signs this low-life to play should be boycotted by the fans. If the fans in Philadelphia can throw snowballs and ice at Santa Claus, surely they can come up with something more creative for Vick.

Woodstocknative Author Profile Page :

He's paid big for his crime and should be allowed to try a come back. I'm sure Dan Snyder has already contacted his agent.

Scott47 Author Profile Page :

We have sitting members of congress who have gotten away with much worse than dogfighting...if MV were a construction worker-which he will be for a few weeks-this would not even be a debate.

MV served his time, should be reinstated, and will get a big contract in his chosen profession.

For all of you that think pro athletes should be role models, I hate to break this to you, but, they are not and never will be.

ch4gas Author Profile Page :

Yes, this dirtbag has paid his debt. Let him now go get a job. But NOT as a role model by playing professional sports. Any team that signs this low-life to play should be boycotted by the fans. If the fans in Philadelphia can throw snowballs and ice at Santa Claus, surely they can come up with something more creative for Vick.

MUPPET Author Profile Page :

It's just dogs for goodness sake. Federal prison for dogfighting, talk about over kill!

Does anyone else besides me think had he not been black and rich he would have not gone to prison.


phillynick Author Profile Page :

Did Martha Stewart get a second chance? Martha Stewart was also convicted of a felony and served time, has she recouped her image and has she made millions since being released? The answer is yes. People need to realize that Michael Vick plead guilty to his charges. Mike didn't have to plead guilty, he could've made the prosecution prove their case i.e. Barry Bonds. The prosecution might not have convinced a jury that Mike was guilty on all the charges he plead guilty to. Remember his main accussers all had records and convictions and this may have affected a jury. Mike plead guilty because his legal advice and the advice of the NFL and the Atlanta Falcons. They all encouraged Michael that pleading guilty would be better for all parties involved including Michael. Now that Michael has served his sentence for pleading guilty and saving the prosecutors from proving a difficult case in court and preventing the Atlanta Falcon and the NFL from the dilemma of having to pay Michael his salary while he defends himself, now they must give Michael a chance to restore his career, just like Martha Stewart was able to restore her career. Michael is a pro football player and the NFL is the only game in town. Let him play

POTLHOTD Author Profile Page :

According to google the definition of a pitbull is as follows:

"Pit Bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the Molosser family that were historically used for dog fighting. The breeds most often placed in this category are the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier"

Pitbulls are breed for dog fighting just as certain horses are breed for horse racing.

Personally, it makes me sick to my stomach to see all of these hypocrites online.

Look at the end of the day, the authorities wouldn’t even have come to the house, if his cousin, whom used the house as an address didn't get busted for drugs. The authorities looked up the cousin's address and saw Michael Vicks name as the owner. So, they though they were going to find drugs when they searched the house. Michael Vick didn't even live at the address and you can't say for certain that he was involved in the day to day operations at the residence. Remember, a couple of his associates turned state evidence in order to save their own asses. Just think if the house wasn’t in his name we wouldn’t be talking about this.

For all you dog lovers at there. I don't here you complaining about horse racing or the meat and chicken you eat everyday.

14u2thinkabout Author Profile Page :

At some point, one must say enough is enough. The continued berating and condescension toward Michael Vick is too much. The young man has remorsefully admitted his guilt, served jail time, and upon completion of home confinement, will be allowed by the Justice System to re-enter society. There will still be a probationary period before he is released completely from the Justice System, but that time too will pass. Michael Vick will have paid his debt to society.

It is unbelievable that organizations and individuals are continuing efforts to keep him from earning an honest living as a professional athlete. Should the National Football League (NFL) re-instate him, then he should be allowed to work in a profession for which he is suited. In each professional sport, there are individuals who have drug charges, aggravated assault charges, spousal abuse charges, and other criminally related charges. Should all of these sports disband to rid themselves of guilt by association?

Here is some history worth remembering:
• Dogs were used to track down runaway slaves
• Dogs were ordered by sworn law officers to attack blacks for perceived civil disobediences during the 1960’s
• Dogs were used against blacks during apartheid in South Africa

There are blacks and whites who remember history and believe Vick got a raw deal. There have been scores of dog-fighting cases since this incident, but none has been focused on like the Vick case. He was used as an object lesson for all to learn from and the lesson was well taught by the media and various organizations.

In no way do I condone or agree with what Vick admitted to doing. What should be noted is that the mistreatment was to dogs and not a human. If people continue to demand that he not be able to continue his athletic career, his options become very limited, and he could find it impossible to earn a legal income. The continued opposition towards him returning to a profession that can provide a legitimate income is unwarranted and racist. It’s time to move on.

Wallenstein Author Profile Page :

The NFL is itself a dogfight, and players die with frightening regularity. One cannot take seriously anyone who condemns the violence of dogfights in defense of the purity of the violent sport of football. It is not only completely illogical, it indicates a lack of any firm or coherent set of ethics. Moral relativism of the most ignorant, evil kind (the things I like are good, the things I don't like are bad).

There is no logical reason for Michael Vick to be barred from playing football. Period.

egankat Author Profile Page :

I'm an animal lover, in fact, I won't even eat them. (Take that, self-righteous carnivores who say they defend and rescue animals.)I'm also a Bengals fan. Let him play.

Kain Author Profile Page :

For all you dog lovers at there. I don't here you complaining about horse racing or the meat and chicken you eat everyday.


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Are you really trying to compare horse racing to dog fighting? Racehorses are treated rather well actually. Now dog-racing that is a different story.

Also, not everyone who eats meat (chicken is a meat) gets it from 'big food' some people, who are environmentally thoughtful, get there meats from local farms. Or raise it themselves.
Also like to point out that you can object to cruel behavior without having to prove you are worthy of objecting.
Michael Vick commited a crime and was convicted of it. The real question is what kind of an example is he going to be able to set for children in the future?
How do you explain to your kids that it is okay for him to treat a living thing that way. That the consequences of your actions only apply if your not a rich and famous sports star.

spamsux1 Author Profile Page :

Vick should absolutely NOT be allowed back in the sports world in any position.
No playing, sports casting, coaching, nothing. Period.

He has shown a serious and dangerous character flaw and deserves no place in the public spotlight. His was not a momentary lack of judgment but an ongoing behavior that championed the torture and mutilation of innocent animals.

Millions of people, especially our young, identify with athletes like Vick and they must be taught that this barbaric behavior is never tolerated.

jakepage Author Profile Page :

Under no circumstances should Vick be employed by an NFL team.Committing any crime that leads to a jail sentence should disqualify professional athletes for good. These guys ARE role models, for better or worse.

wcurmudgeon Author Profile Page :

Over the past thirty-seven years I have enjoyed the companionship of six dogs. Nonetheless, I think that having served his time Vick is entitled to resume his career, just as any citizen would be allowed to resune any legal occupation. Whether or not he is remorseful for what he has done must be left to his conscience. Ostracism never improved anyone.

JAC6 Author Profile Page :

Let the man play. He has served his time and should not be professionally penalized by the NFL or anyone else. Not letting him play is like saying a banker can no longer be employed in the financial sector if previously convicted of embezzlement or grand theft. Animal lovers get over it; horrific acts against animals are committed daily and never get attention like this in the media.

sonny2 Author Profile Page :

I can hide in the woods and shoot a deer in the head. No problem. I can trap and kill a possum, that's ok. But because people want to treat dogs as if they were human beings, Mike Vick has his life ruined. Why is the life of a deer, or a squirrel, or a bird less valuable than the life of a dog? Whatever happened to equal justice under the law? Why do we protect people who kill horses in the course of racing them? I don't think dog fighting should be allowed, but don't then turn around and tell me hunting for sport is cool. Of course Michael Vick should be reinstated.

bbosu3 Author Profile Page :

Absolutely not. Michael Vick should not be allowed to play in the NFL. What he did is sickening and he deserves a worse penalty than he got. These millionaire athletes think they are above the law just like many of the other fat cats in this country (Bush, Cheney), but they are not. Also, what about the Philadelphia Eagle employee that got fired for being disgruntled about the team trading a player? Why should a worker get fired for something a zillion times less harmful and Vick have a chance to be reemployed? But I'm sure it will happen because it's all about money. If he does, I think he should only earn a small percentage of his salary while the rest goes to protecting animals.

RogerNoVa Author Profile Page :

Look it, the NFL (and the NBA) have been taken over by a bunch of thugs. Look at the rap sheets of players in both leagues (the NHL seems to be relatively immune to this kind of crap)....murders. drugs, drunken driving, the list goes on and on. The players seem to think that they are above the law, are spoiled rotten, and idolized by kids, whose parents should know better. Top it off by fans who get drunk at every game, swear at every call by an official (read the stories of folks who will never take their kids to anymore games) and we have a sports culture run amok..Nope, keep Vick out of it, and any other thug who things they can defy the law, for life. Maybe then we can return to some respectability in sports.

markdmoody Author Profile Page :

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

pepper3 Author Profile Page :

No Fame should be given to this man. Find another job Vick~ maybe work for the animal police.

Doowadiddy Author Profile Page :

I think Michael Vick is far from being the worst guy in the world. He was stupid, arrogant, and mean spirited toward animals. But he hasn't committed a crime that he should be prevented from making a living in pro football. He's just really not very good as an NFL quarterback. If he can get a job in the NFL as a DB or HB or Wideout, then more power to him!

weaverf Author Profile Page :

I am 50/50 on this one, however, I am impressed that Vick will be working with the human society to speak on abuse of dogs.

But, I am very disappointed in how people on this comment column have spoken of a man they do not know, it completely shows ignorance and stupidity. There are so many other forms of wrong doing in this country that we let people do and we do nothing, why now is it all of sudden a major issue for some, I would play a certain card here but I will not.

Mr. Vick committed a terrible crime, he has been locked up for it, he has lost everything financially, he has to walk around with this image of him for the rest of his life, the spectacular football player who killed dogs.

But also keep in mind, at this very moment, there is a farm somewhere in the backwoods that is having a dog fight as i type, how serious are we taking this?

Take away the football, and the man is a son, father, husband and lastly a human being, and we all know humans ain't perfect.

Thank you.

retiree11 Author Profile Page :

If any pro team elects to hire Mr. Vick, then let them do so.

Mr. Vick is no hero -- he never has been and never will be. The "hero worship" predominant in our society of pathetic at best.

That said, the NFL has more less gone to the dogs during the past several years. They hire athletes who are not the best in the industry (hello Detroit Lions!).

Certainly, with the multitude of athletes this nation produces in any given year, there are plenty of folks the NFL could hire instead of Mr. Vick.

But for some reason, when folks in the NFL become obsessed with a football player like Mr. Vick, they just can't seem to let him go.

Here's a solution -- IF an NFL team hires Mr. Vick, offer him a salary of $50,000 per year for a two year period of time, with the understanding that his salary could increase. But if he's arrested for a gun violation, a drug charge, assault, etc., then he'll have to look for another line of employment.

SeedofChange Author Profile Page :

In a country where 60 year old former President and Vice President can walk free and pay no price for torturning "human being"....

25 Year old Michael Vick has paid his price for torturning dogs. He should be given the opportunity to make a living. If he makes another mistake, he will pay his price.

Kain Author Profile Page :

Here is some history worth remembering:
• Dogs were used to track down runaway slaves
• Dogs were ordered by sworn law officers to attack blacks for perceived civil disobediences during the 1960’s
• Dogs were used against blacks during apartheid in South Africa

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So what? Dogs have been used to track down anything that was lost. Don't try and shift the blame of slavery onto an animals back. Dog's do what there masters tell them to. That is why they are used in rescue operations, bomb recovery, prisoner tracking, helping the disabled, bringing joy to the sick and of course just being a pet.

It is how you treat those that you don't need to treat well that shows what kind of a person you are.
How you treat an animal is the ultimate test of that standard. Why be cruel to an animal? How do you explain that? Michael Vick wasn't a slave, nor was he in South Africa. He wasn't alive in the sixties.

By your reasoning every group of people who have ever been harmed by another group via an animal has the right to hurt that group of animals. Why? Was it not the humans that trained and unleashed those animals?

minco_007 Author Profile Page :

This is Outrageous! Where is the sense of proportion? The Police officer who killed 3 of his wives will probably get less time. HELL! O.J. Simpson walked. Jayson Williams blew his limo driver away with a Shotgun and look at the time he got. THIS STINKS!

elife1975 Author Profile Page :

If any team signs him, I'm done watching football. There are plenty of other sports entertainment options available, one or two of which aren't marred by steroid use, shootings, or prostitution, like professional table tennis and bowling.

alstl Author Profile Page :

If Charles Manson got out of prison there are NFL owners who would have no qualms about putting him on their team if they thought he would help them win.

Should Vick be banned? Of course, but it won't happen.

steveo2 Author Profile Page :

The argument that the NFL already had ex-cons playing is, to me, nonsensical. If the commissioner is truly attempting to spruce up the league's image, this is a perfect opportunity. The fact that the bar has already been set so low is exactly the problem. It is time for the NFL to reset their standards to where they are acceptable to the majority of society. Finally, to anyone that believes this is a racial issue, shame on you. This is 100% a moral issue. I say keep him AND all other criminals out.

herty3k1 Author Profile Page :

Let's see now ... the New England Patriots have a coach who was found to have cheated in the league in which the teams plays, not once, not twice, but three times. Last check shows that he remains in the NFL after having been fined a few hundred thousand dollars. Pete Rose, one of the best ML baseball players was found to have a severe gambling problem & was subsequently banned for life from MLB. Note that Rose was not banned for gambling per se, but for gambling on MLB games, i.e., for behavior which could be construed as cheating in the league in which he was playing. Michael Vick's conviction & prison term were for an offence totally unrelated the NFL. If by serving the time to which he was sentenced Vick has paid his debt to society, then by what logic would the NFL be justified in imposing an additional, derivative penalty for an affair in which it was not directly, or even indirectly, involved? Has the mentality of the American public sunk so low that anyone could seriously entertain the notion that person who brutalizes a dog should be tagged as a serial-killer-in-waiting?

jamespmarion Author Profile Page :

How about using Mr. Vick's situation as a learning experience for young kids. The old made bad choice,owned up to it, served penalty, turned life around.

Corvette1975 Author Profile Page :

Any person who expoits helpless animals for thier own personal gain - or worse - for their own amusement are not entitled to any redemption.

He paid his time, sure, but that doesn't make it all better.

No, he shouldn't be given a second shot. Besides, there are plenty of talented people out there who deserve a shot for more than Vick. Maybe banning him from football for life will teach future 'star' athletes to watch their behavior.

Kain Author Profile Page :

Any professional athlete that breaks the las and is convicted of it should be banned from playing that sport. It isn't a matter of the countries laws. The proffesional sports leagues are supposed to be setting an example for children. It makes no sense to hold athletes in our schools to a high standard only to have the professionals held to such a low one.
Any other profession that has that much influence or contact with children makes it impossible to regain employment after being convicted of a crime why do we not hold professional sports teams to the same standard?

szwheelock Author Profile Page :

This has nothing to do with animals; the debate over dogs and animal cruelty is a waste of time and space in this context, and a distraction from the true issue.

Any conviction for illegal gambling of any sort should carry a lifetime ban from professional sports. No exceptions, no appeals, no degrees of enforcement, no second chances. He got involved with his eyes wide open, and has no excuse for not understanding the consequences.

minco_007 Author Profile Page :

It's dog fighting for Gods Sake! Not Murder, Rape, Drugs, Firearms violations, Domestic Abuse, GEEZ!!! No-one is protesting all the Race Horses who died because of illegal substances they were given! AARRRGHHHH!!!

catweasel3 Author Profile Page :

szwheelock is right on the money. Get convicted of anything and you're out. Who cares why? There are millions of people in the US, THOUSANDS that are probably good enough for professional sports. Let someone else have a go. End of story.

dgates1 Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick is another spoiled NFL player who has become a sadistic animal killer. Too often an athlete will get away with such behavier. The NFL does not need Michail Vick.

minco_007 Author Profile Page :

Those of you who think there are millions of people who are good enough for professional sports have probably never played on a level more than Jr. High or High School.

ladywkids Author Profile Page :

He was convicted and served his time. Now it's time for him to get on with his life. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson, but he deserves a second chance. Can't wait to see which NFL team picks him up!

s_clark Author Profile Page :

Yes absolutely. He has served his time and paid an enormous price. Give him an opportunity to rebuild his life.

To the zealots posting here that want to punish Vick forever, please consider: dog fighting and animal cruelty is more complicated than that. We kill all kinds of animals for sport calling it hunting & fishing, we raise animals to murder & eat, we keep them captive as pets and claim ownership rights. I could take my purebred German Shepherd outside right now and shoot him in the head and it would be completely legal, because I own him and the law gives me that right. (as long as I discharge the firearm legally) Now, I would never do that, my dog is a wonderful friend. And I agree organized dog fighting is a terrible thing. But so is hunting from helicopters. Lets put those guys in jail too!

And try to keep some perspective.

rittrohs Author Profile Page :

Reinstating Vick in professional sport sends a message that an athlete can do anything and not pay the price. Pete Rose bet on games. He didn't electrocute dogs devoted to him. Vick should be similarly banned for life. Disappear, loser.

jerpat Author Profile Page :

Let Michael Vick prove he's a good human being by being productive & successful OFF the football field. He should be the poster child to show others that making bad decisions can have permanent consequences. If the NFL is guided by morality, rather than quick $$, he will be forever banned. If he proves his worth as a human being maybe God will let him play in heaven, but not before.

steveo2 Author Profile Page :

S_Clark,

I agree that there are people doing heinous things to animals. All I am saying is no person anywhere should be rewarded for that sort of behavior with a multi-million dollar contract from a professional sporting league of any sort.

allenadon Author Profile Page :

OF COURSE he deserves another shot! Isn't that what the prison system is designed for? Rehabilitation! He has done his time, and now he should be able to start fresh like everyone else who is convicted of a crime. If you are convicted of any crime, you serve your time, get out, and continue living your normal free life under the assumption that you have learned your lesson. Therefore, like any normal person he should be able to continue living his life and apply for any, and every job that he is qualified for. Including the NFL! Let this man back in the league, and please allow him the opportunity for a second chance. Now, if he ruins that opportunity then, maybe we could talk about him not being back in the league... Until (and if) that even happens it would be a horrible tragedy to take him away from playing in the NFL for the fans, the league, and us as humans.

Muddy_Buddy_2000 Author Profile Page :

No way, if he ever plays in the NFL for 1 second, I am done with the NFL and will do my best to make sure they never get dime of support for stadiums, and call every advertiser they have to tell them that I will boycott their products for sponsoring the criminal loving, dog hating bunch of bastards.
NFL players are supposed to be role models, and provide a good image for teams, cities and advertisters and Vick is about the worst possible example for all these roles.

zman3 Author Profile Page :

" webster11 wrote:

" There are footballplayers that was accursed of murder, foul deeds against women, not providing for their children, carrying weapons, using illegal drugs. Vick confessed to dog fighting promotion. DOGs? while he was waiting trial it was reported that some Porto Ricans were tossing dogs off a bridge, with little outcry. There are nearly two million prisoners in the USA and Vick was most likely the only FEDERAL prisoner jailed for DOGFIGHTING. Justice should not be continuing. What to do aboubt Vick, Well how about leaving him alone!""


First, as if "DOG" fighting were some kind of triviality, it wasn't 'only' fighting - Michael Vick participated in the TORTURE of those dogs - hangings, shootings and electrocutions. These are the sadistic acts of a sociopathic personality. The man got off easy. Many people in the U.S. do, in fact, serve jail time for animal cruelty - rightly so.

Second, playing games of moral equivalence with respect to what others do and/or get away with would seem far less pertinent if, say, it were your *family member* being subjected to gross brutality.

In fact there was great outcry over the acts in Puerto Rico, as well as the Marine shown throwing a puppy off a bridge, and in scores of other cases of brutality. As the CEO of a nonprofit that works from the U.S. on behalf of animal welfare issues in a developing region (southern Mexico), I can tell you that there are millions of caring people who vocally advocate for better treatment of animals everywhere, and who care immensely when they are subjected to mindless cruelty, neglect and mistreatment.

Michael Vick forfeited the privilege (or should have) of making millions of dollars for entertaining our children on National television. Having this thug beamed into my home on Sunday afternoons would make me vomit.

fasm7700 Author Profile Page :

What bias can do to the logic of the human brain is amazing. The same people who agree to let Michael Phelps continue to swim somehow would not allow Michael Vick to continue to play football. Some of the same people who profess to be Christians would not make room for spiritual rebirth. Let us think about Saul's actions before he became Paul and wrote the most influential part of the New Testament. I say give Vick a chance to show transformation.

angelastreet Author Profile Page :

Yes, he definitely should get another chance. Even though what he did was stupid, it doesn't have any thing to do with football or his skills. As far as being a role model, I would challenge parents to get more involved with your kids and steer them in the right direction. We put too much pressure on these atheletes and we forget that they are human just like us!! Get over it already!! Let him have his life back.

Kain Author Profile Page :

Has the mentality of the American public sunk so low that anyone could seriously entertain the notion that person who brutalizes a dog should be tagged as a serial-killer-in-waiting?
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It is widely accepted, by profilers and mental health professionals, that people who show an extreme cruelty to animals in youth often become serial killers. I don't think that would apply to Michael Vick since he is already in his twenties, but who knows.

telesonic Author Profile Page :

Vick doesn't "deserve" a fresh start. He doesn't deserve anything. His legal obligations will be discharged in June. After that, it's entirely up to the NFL whether to re-hire him. As far as the general public's opinion goes - well, it's not like we're hiring him to babysit our children. A man doesn't have to be morally pure to chase other men around on a field for our entertainment. If you believe it really matters whether the NFL employs true athletes or overpaid street thugs, the only solution is to vote with your wallet. Don't go to their games, don't watch their games on tv, don't buy their sponsors' products. But you'll be pretty lonely in your little crusade. I imagine 99% of football fans actually like the idea that their favorite tough guys are real, live criminals.

OHREALLYNOW Author Profile Page :

Michale Vick has or will soon pay his debt to society. If you want to further punish him, make him a spokesperson for animal rights or a similar organization. To ban him from the NFL for life sends a message that no one deserves a second chance but we see other athletes being given second chances everyday.

MyBell Author Profile Page :

I think there is a lot of irrational thinking going on surrounding Mr Vick. The issue here is that he bet on dogs.
We have players in sports who have murdered humans, used and sold drugs and assaulted people in public. Players have also lied about their steroid use and are playing to huge crowds right now. Why are we singling out Mr Vick?
Would we treat him differently if he were from one of the places south of the US where we now groom our athletes like race horses, and discard them when they die just as we do horses? Mr Vick deserves a second chance.

novatom1 Author Profile Page :

It doesn't matter what we think. The NFL will bring him back because money talks.

Kain Author Profile Page :

Those of you who think there are millions of people who are good enough for professional sports have probably never played on a level more than Jr. High or High School.

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what a stupid reason to allow a morally corrupt person to represent a team. I don't care if he is the greatest QB in history(he isn't by the way) he missed his chance.
Some doors only open once. These guys should be held to a higher standard. It isn't just how good at the game you are. It is also how well you perform off the field. I want these guys to represent the pinnacle of althletic competition, that includes off field conduct.

drjillshackford1 Author Profile Page :

to the curb...better treatment than what he afforded the dogs.

jerliz56 Author Profile Page :

I don't think he should be allowed a second chance to be a sports hero to kids. Perhaps he should volunteer at animal rescue center. That would be a second chance in my book. I cannot condone such hideous cruelty towards animals by any one--let alone an educated wealthy person who should know better!!!!!!!. This was not just a dog fight but an organized betting ring.

bootiesbaby Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick is a man who uses, tortures, and kills innocent animals for amusement. While I don't think that qualifies him as a potential serial killer at his age, it certainly does qualify him as a man with a personality defect which isn't easily rectifiable. I hope he takes this opportunity to grow and become a better person. Failing that, I personally hope society, including the NFL, keeps his potential for committing crimes at a minimum. Strictly speaking, however, that's not the NFL's job and once he discharges his debt to society, there's no reason he shouldn't be allowed to work at the job he's best at.

HarrisTheYounger Author Profile Page :

The curb. Mouth first, and hard.

zman3 Author Profile Page :

minco_007 wrote :

"It's dog fighting for Gods Sake! Not Murder, Rape, Drugs, Firearms violations, Domestic Abuse, GEEZ!!! No-one is protesting all the Race Horses who died because of illegal substances they were given! AARRRGHHHH!!!"

(A.) Again, it's a fallacy to suggest the dog fighting isn't the barbaric and criminal practice of individuals dispossessed of the same social boundaries which would prevent them from doing similar harm to humans. To lack the fundamental decency - let alone capacity for empathy, compassion or regard for the intense suffering of other creatures (human or otherwise) is the mark of profound ignorance, or deviance resulting from a damaged and dysfunctional conscience.

(B.) The horses referred to died as a result of a pharmaceutical error when administering legitimate selenium (a mineral) supplements - not from willful cruelty and torture, or the administration of illegal or performance enhancing drugs.

Such posts as the above demonstrate that it's generally uninformed and poor reasoning which would support or minimize animal cruelty, likely reflecting a wish to rationalize away the moral significance of Vick's actions for the sake of satisfying their own desire for personal entertainment.

Mr. Vick's prison time may have satisfied (some of) the legal consequences of his willful actions (hardly a hapless 'mistake'), but the NFL has a moral obligation to it's consumers to see to it that they are not subjected to the specter of such individuals playing games for rich reward on national television.

The NFL had best beware of the PR nightmare any team will face for signing Mr. Vick, and the damage done to the league's already tarnished image. Millions will turn away in disgust - guaranteed.

lainirich Author Profile Page :

being given the opportunity to be a professional athlete, in any sport, is a great a accomplishment. you know the rules and expectations that surround you when you put on that uniform. if you squander that opportunity, then you have screwed up that opportunity. what greater thing in life is there than the opportunity to be paid a ton of money for playing a game? there is none! there should be no second opportunity for any athlete at that level in any sport. athletes must be in control of their actions and suffer the consequences for poor decisions.

sonny2 Author Profile Page :

I think the whole thing is idiotic and a miscarriage of justice. Michael Vick hurt no one. He shouldn't even have been locked up. The law under which he was convicted should be declared unconstitutional unless someone can explain to me why dogs have a higher moral worth than deer, birds, and any number of other animals that we allow people to slaughter at will. There are plenty of countries in this world where dogs are killed and eaten. To deny a man his freedom and livlihood because silly animal lovers can't tell the difference between a dog and a human being is an absolute disgrace. I don't even like dog fighting, but I know sentimental idiocy when I see it.

chanaragan Author Profile Page :

I think Michael Vick should be given the opportunity to play. I didn't feel that he should have went to jail. If anyone should have went to jail, it should have been his relatives who he entrusted his home with. I think the U.S. should watch the spending of funds. We are in a resession.

ncahill1 Author Profile Page :

Not sure how to handle Vick. But there should be electrodes and a substantial electrical current involved. And water.

zman3 Author Profile Page :

fasm7700 wrote:

"What bias can do to the logic of the human brain is amazing."

Yes, isn't it?

"The same people who agree to let Michael Phelps continue to swim somehow would not allow Michael Vick to continue to play football."

Mr. Phelps smoked pot (like your teenager or Friday night poker buddy might be doing right this minute) - he didn't maim and torture animals.

"Some of the same people who profess to be Christians would not make room for spiritual rebirth. Let us think about Saul's actions before he became Paul and wrote the most influential part of the New Testament."

Dragging religiosity into the discussion is irrelevant. The NFL audience, and society at large is comprised of Jews, agnostics, Buddhists, spiritual-but-not religious, Catholics and so on, any of whom would wish not to be forced to watch or participate in the rewarding of a convicted felon and known animal torturer.

"I say give Vick a chance to show transformation."

Great... he can do that in your church on Sunday mornings - not in my living room on Sunday afternoons.

GreenMeansGo Author Profile Page :

As a proud Hokie, I say Let the Man Play! Although this may seem to be a nation of Second Chances, it really is not. How many thousands of ex-cons serve their time and are still persecuted for their previous acts, so much so that they cannot recover and become a contributing member of the society they have re-entered, and return to a life of crime? Michael Vick is a professional football player. If he is not allowed to be a this, he might as well have been sentenced to death. And the law says that killing dogs does not warrant such a sentence. So Let the Man Play. He did so much for Virginia Tech, and he has much more good to do as an NFL'er.

zman3 Author Profile Page :

sonny2 wrote :

"I think the whole thing is idiotic and a miscarriage of justice. Michael Vick hurt no one. He shouldn't even have been locked up. The law under which he was convicted should be declared unconstitutional unless someone can explain to me why dogs have a higher moral worth than deer, birds, and any number of other animals that we allow people to slaughter at will. There are plenty of countries in this world where dogs are killed and eaten. To deny a man his freedom and livlihood because silly animal lovers can't tell the difference between a dog and a human being is an absolute disgrace. I don't even like dog fighting, but I know sentimental idiocy when I see it."

Those who would hang, electrocute, maim and seek profit from the barbaric treatment of birds, deer, or any other animal also *DO* face prison in civilized societies, including (at times questionably) ours.

Most people recognize idiocy when they see it - such as posts like yours, for instance.

rosemm33 Author Profile Page :

Send him to Denver.. We already have the "thuggets" and no offence to Kyle.. but we could use a skilled QB. I love dogs as much as the next person, but there are people who constantly play in the NFL who have done much worse things. He's learned his lesson, and he would fit right in with our athletes!

Muddy_Buddy_2000 Author Profile Page :

Of course there is the very good chance that if Vick is allowed to play, he may suffer a serious injury due to fact that at least some NFL Players have morals, if not all NFL Fans or posters here. The abuse of animals for pleasure or profit directly leads to the abuse of Humans. The chance that M Vick did the sick things he did to dogs, and hasn't done similar things to humans approaches zero.

phillynick Author Profile Page :

Did Martha Stewart get a second chance? Martha Stewart was also convicted of a felony and served time, has she recouped her image and has she made millions since being released? The answer is yes. People need to realize that Michael Vick plead guilty to his charges. Mike didn't have to plead guilty, he could've made the prosecution prove their case i.e. Barry Bonds. The prosecution might not have convinced a jury that Mike was guilty on all the charges he plead guilty to. Remember his main accussers all had records and convictions and this may have affected a jury. Mike plead guilty because his legal advice and the advice of the NFL and the Atlanta Falcons. They all encouraged Michael that pleading guilty would be better for all parties involved including Michael. Now that Michael has served his sentence for pleading guilty and saving the prosecutors from proving a difficult case in court and preventing the Atlanta Falcon and the NFL from the dilemma of having to pay Michael his salary while he defends himself, now they must give Michael a chance to restore his career, just like Martha Stewart was able to restore her career. Michael is a pro football player and the NFL is the only game in town. Let him play

rosemm33 Author Profile Page :

...Besides if you want someone to rehabilitate, you don't give them more free time. You give them something productive to do, that way they are staying out of trouble.

ged0386 Author Profile Page :

I think most people just wanted to see an perceived arrogant black millionare athlete get broken down to a regular poor black man just like the rest of us working stiffs. Now that has taken place people are satisfied. Had he not went broke people would be still calling for further punishment. Thats the main think that has changed our minds about vick, not that he paid his debt but because it cost him his career and fortune which is what us regular joes who envy guys like vick consider a better punishment than jail. We got the satisfaction of seeing him lose everything so we are now OK with vick. He is poorer than us now.

erichk1 Author Profile Page :

I see the comments of people much worse then Michael Vick. He was convicted is released on parole and has a right to continue his live. He was a great football player and did not do too badly in othere endeavors. He has shown remorse and he paid the price, not just time served, also reputation and financially. He is being condemned for torture to animals. How about all those Cheneys or Rumsfelds toturing prisoner in Bagram or Guantanamo.
We were just told we cant charge them, never the less imprison them. Michael Vick deserves to be allowed to play in the NFL, just based on the principal of American Justice. Wake up people, get smart people and most of all, show some compassion.

steveo2 Author Profile Page :

rosemm33 :
...Besides if you want someone to rehabilitate, you don't give them more free time. You give them something productive to do, that way they are staying out of trouble.

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If he want to be productive, let him volunteer as the ASPCA. Let's not reward him with millions to play sports. He is a convicted criminal who is sorry only because he was caught. Else, he would have had no suddden epiphany or any remorse.

angelastreet Author Profile Page :

I think Scott 47 said it best ... these atheletes aren't and never will be role models. Zman3 said that he would vomit if he came into his living room via the boob tube. Please!!! The problem with most of these posts is they are probably made 80% by caucasians who don't think anyone should get a break. News flash!! The world ain't about you, dog fighting or Mike Vick. Where do you get off with that holier than tho attitude! It's just football. If you don't like it, don't watch. I think this discussion is stupid! Let's talk about solutions to the high unemployment rate and recession. Something that we can all benefit from.

rajinde Author Profile Page :

I agree with the postings that recommend - if you do not like Vick, do not watch him play though I am sure you will be cheering him on if he does well and gets a team into the playoffs / superbowl. He has paid for his bad choices / actions. Time for him to get on with his life and you all with yours!!

steveo2 Author Profile Page :

angelastreet :
I think Scott 47 said it best ... these atheletes aren't and never will be role models. Zman3 said that he would vomit if he came into his living room via the boob tube. Please!!! The problem with most of these posts is they are probably made 80% by caucasians
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What an insultingly racist post. What race were the dogs he electrocuted?

wheeljc Author Profile Page :

Mr. Vick had a golden opportunity in Atlanta. The dog fighting issue was only one of several that caused many of his former fans to just give up on him. In addition to being arrogant, he allegedly gave a girl friend a STD; he became embroiled with a 'substance' issue on a flight out of Tampa with a false bottom pop bottle; and he even had the audacity to give the 'finger' to Atlanta fans after losing a home game. Vick -- like so many of the pro athletes today -- thinks of himself first, second and last. I pity the team that hires him!!

smd9 Author Profile Page :

Anyone who wants to express an opinion on this matter should first watch the TV special where Vick's dogs were taken to a shelter for rehabilitation. Particularly the examination of a female dog who had no teeth because they were removed so she could be bred forcefully. The whole thing is just disgusting. Anyone who could do this to an animal should be locked up for life, before they take it to the next level.

PlayByTheRules Author Profile Page :

The NFL is already a haven for druggies, ex-druggies, thugs, wannabe thugs- where will they draw the line? With Vick, I hope.

rushingc Author Profile Page :

I think that we should Vick a second chance. Have you not maded a error in judgment in your life. I think so.
We are all human.

khinton1 Author Profile Page :

Let him play football? Yes. Sponsor as a spokesperson or a hero for anything. No. He deserves a job, that is about all.

stilcarol Author Profile Page :

I would like to think that Mr. Vic has learned his lesson with the short prison term he served. I do feel his offer to work with animals should be politely declined. He should never be allowed around or to own an animal again. Animals have feelings and can tell when someone is sincere and kind. To trust this man around another animal of any kind would be a serious mistake. As for Mr Vic returning to football that will be for someone else to decide. Sports use to be made up of men and women children could look up to and aspire to be like. Now even children know that to play sports means making big money. So to let Mr Vic get off with a short prison term (ha prison term) and then to represent animals is what his money can buy today. An yes that is my opinion, do you have one?

Californian11 Author Profile Page :

NO he absolutely does not deserve anything. May he get exactly what he deserves and rot for what he has done to defenseless, innocent animals.

SouthCitySkot Author Profile Page :

Reading about the alleged murderers and involuntary manslaughterers who were allowed to play, I have to ask: what on earth do you have to do get actually get banned from the NFL?

I'm willing to wager if a defensive back pulled a gun out his uniform waistband and shot the opposing ball-carrier to death, he'd likely get a suspension. Maybe.

If MLB can band Pete Rose for life for gambling, a misdeed which physically harmed nobody, why can't the keepers of "America's Game" even once take the higher ground?

zman3 Author Profile Page :

Listen, I am a lifelong, rabid Bronco's fan. I have made a practice of watching every single game, for more than 30 years. I have driven around the town of Vernal Utah to keep a signal on my AM car radio so I could listen to preseason games when I had to go there unavoidably many years ago when Elway was a rookie. I have driven like a madman from the Cancun Airport down the coast of southern Mexico to get to a bar where they had a satellite dish and were broadcasting the MNF game between the Broncos and the Raiders (only to watch them blow the lead and lose).
While I've never painted my house orange or donned a barrel in the stands, I've been as devoted a consumer of the NFL product as there is.

Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the league, I will personally use the resources of my nonprofit organization, which has considerable reach, to organize a boycott.

That's how strongly I feel about the issue.

I hope the NFL is paying close attention here: Michael Vick provokes this reaction in the guts of millions of people.

The NFL is a private employer with the right to act in it's own best interests. This has nothing to do with Mr. Vick's civil rights, debts to society, spiritual redemption, etc, etc., ad nauseum. It's about many other things, however - not the least being the moral boundaries promoted by a large corporation and it's sensitivity to the society in which it thrives.

The NFL markets an entertainment product, deriving huge revenues from advertising during it's televised events, and the sales of peripheral merchandise and licensing. The athletes who perform in these events are entertainers - their performances serve no objective purpose - the outcomes of games provide no service to humanity, do not grow food or cure diseases. They may provide good business and tax revenues in their communities, which can help do some of these things - but the outcomes of the games themselves have only subjective value in the heads of the fans.

The off-field actions of the mercenary performers who participate in producing the NFL product do have real meaning though. Their conduct in the communities in which they live affects everyone around them, just like the rest of us. Thuggery, drunken driving, assaults, domestic violence, drug trafficking - these have all left their ugly marks on the reputations of many of the players, who are brought to the communities in which they reside through the dictates of the league.

The vast majority of NFL players are decent young athletes who have made the most of their talents and comport themselves well wherever they may be.

But the league shares in responsibility for the conduct of the players whom they enrich and introduce to their host communities, and should recognize that when they act out, crossing social boundaries, it is against everyone's interests to continue to reward the bad actors with fat contracts and opportunities to continue as vaunted entertainers.

While the fans themselves may contribute to some extent by demanding that high-level performers be employed by their teams, at times regardless of their off-field behavior, clearly the majority of fans *do* care when criminals are employed and maintained in their communities by the league. We do not want our children to idolize and buy the merchandise of thugs and morons. We do not want to hear sportscasters or writers speaking of these people in terms such as 'heroes', 'courageous', 'warriors' or any of the other hype and aggrandizement heaped upon them by a fawning, complicit media.

Some things are just too repugnant to touch without becoming stained by them. The willfull participation in acts which result in the maiming and painful deaths of animals *especially dogs*, who are our universal, emotional, and sentient companions - strictly for profit and perverse entertainment - is itself stomach turning.
The peripheral milieu in which these animals are subjected to all manner of agony, mistreatment and abuse is beyond inhumane - it's *inhuman*.
That we condemn such acts, and demand the respect for at least *minimal* social boundaries speaks to who and what we are as a society and as communities.

Michael Vick is a man with physical and mental acuity sufficient to make his way in the world as a 'reformed' felon. He can bust tires, sell cars or whatever else he might choose in the course of making an honest living that doesn't involve participating in blood sports or cruelty to animals,of course.
He has no 'right' to be employed by the NFL, and millions have fared quite well in their enjoyment of the NFL product since his departure from the scene.
Millions of happy fans have watched games and bought products, while many thousands have performed and profited nicely.

If the NFL wishes to keep this symbiosis alive and well, it had best draw a hard, vivid line with Michael Vick, and just say no to torture and abuse of animals, and any appearance of endorsement or association with those who commit such heinous acts against God's innocent, voiceless creatures.

augustiswest Author Profile Page :

no ban him for life. He's scum.

stilcarol Author Profile Page :

No Vick should not be allowed around animals. He mentally scarred these anilmals so bad some had to be put to sleep. For all those of you that dismiss what he did as just a dog fight and not manslaughter you are wrong. He caused dogs to be put to death so yes he is a muderer. A murderer that got off with a slap on the wrist. Now he wants to be in the limelight again with all the little boys looking up to him and wanting to be like him. Do you seriously want your son to grow up thinking that dogs are worthless, expendable things with no feelings that can be bought and trained to kill each other for the owners sick amusement. What is wrong with you!

sonny2 Author Profile Page :

zman3 :
sonny2 wrote :

"I think the whole thing is idiotic and a miscarriage of justice. Michael Vick hurt no one. He shouldn't even have been locked up. The law under which he was convicted should be declared unconstitutional unless someone can explain to me why dogs have a higher moral worth than deer, birds, and any number of other animals that we allow people to slaughter at will. There are plenty of countries in this world where dogs are killed and eaten. To deny a man his freedom and livlihood because silly animal lovers can't tell the difference between a dog and a human being is an absolute disgrace. I don't even like dog fighting, but I know sentimental idiocy when I see it."

Those who would hang, electrocute, maim and seek profit from the barbaric treatment of birds, deer, or any other animal also *DO* face prison in civilized societies, including (at times questionably) ours.

Most people recognize idiocy when they see it - such as posts like yours, for instance.
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That's laughable. "At times questionably" is right. Ever see Ted Nugent sneak up on a deer and shoot it in the head with a bow and arrow? How many years did Nugent do? Society can't have it both ways. Either all animals should be protected or none should be. Just because an animal has big brown eyes and people think the animal is their child is no reason to throw people in prison and deny them their livlihood.

zman3 Author Profile Page :

steveo2 wrote :

"angelastreet :
I think Scott 47 said it best ... these atheletes aren't and never will be role models. Zman3 said that he would vomit if he came into his living room via the boob tube. Please!!! The problem with most of these posts is they are probably made 80% by caucasians

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What an insultingly racist post. What race were the dogs he electrocuted?"

Truly, but there are millions of wonderful people of all races who care about the treatment of animals.

Perhaps people like Angela are temporarily blinded when their eyes fall upon the sight of a sports jersey hanging from the frame of an adolescent... Maybe these kids just get these things as Christmas presents and don't think much about the names and numbers they display... or not...

PWC0412 Author Profile Page :

Check this out and then comment. http://nflcrimes.blogspot.com/

SeeMeNow1 Author Profile Page :

Some of you guys need to get a life. If your stuff got out, you would want a second chance. STOP THE HATE. Take up a good cause, go save the world!

rufpyt66 Author Profile Page :

You people are soooo pious!!! Whatever happened to....do the crime..do the time. After that ...all bets are OFF!!! The man has done his time and apologized. Are you seriously trying to get blood out of a turnip?? Gifted people all over the world make some incredibly stupid decisions. Let this man move on with his life....and cheer him on when he throws his next touchdown!!!!

zman3 Author Profile Page :

sonny2 wrote:

" zman3 wrote:

Most people recognize idiocy when they see it - such as posts like yours, for instance."

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That's laughable. "At times questionably" is right. Ever see Ted Nugent sneak up on a deer and shoot it in the head with a bow and arrow? How many years did Nugent do? Society can't have it both ways. Either all animals should be protected or none should be. Just because an animal has big brown eyes and people think the animal is their child is no reason to throw people in prison and deny them their livlihood.""

Ever see Ted Nuggent sneak up on a deer, capture it, throw it into a metal cage and soak it with water, then attach a set of battery terminals to it, turn on the juice and watch it writhe in agony - all because the deer didn't happen to main or kill another deer during the course of a staged event to support gambling?

Get a clue...

pianokeys88 Author Profile Page :

Puleeze!! One often hears rants about topics and people like Mike Vick and shouts, "Crucify him, Crucify him". Another group shouted the same thing a couple of thousand years ago.

Even a current political party is saying that they don't want the current President to nominate someone to the High Court who uses good judicial understanding, mixed with empathy! Think about this - what if your son or daughter made a similarly horrific mistake as Michael - would you then be shouting "Crucify, crucify"? I suspect not. You, too, would want judges and society to apply mercy with justice. We don't need to crucify to hold each other accountable.

Just a thought from a person of faith who holds a PhD degree and is a psychologist.

poloeinstein Author Profile Page :

He never gave those poor animals a chance, so why should he have a second chance. They should put him out of his misery just like he did to those poor animals. The man is a scum bag.

mymiki12 Author Profile Page :

Yes, he should play football again. If no one wants to watch or buy a ticket of the game when he is playing; just don't do it. Don't tune in. He has paid for his debt. And what he'd done has nothing to do with playing football. On his character. I bet some of you bloggers has a nasty attitude towards people and nobody is daming you to hell.

GladToBeInVA1 Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick has paid his debt to society. He should be allowed to continue his career in the NFL, shrill protestations from the PETA crowd notwithstanding.

whh123 Author Profile Page :

If "Swimmer Boy" Phelps can get back into the pool and compete, after admitted drug use, why not let Vick back into the game as well!

mymiki12 Author Profile Page :

This is for zman3. Go ahead with your boycott. We heard the same words from HRC fans when she was running for President. You can't speak for millions of people. You be suprise how many people say they are against Mike around their freinds but behind closed doors they won't protest. So go ahead we see how far you go. Not scared of empty threats here.

Utopia13 Author Profile Page :

We Americans in general are very hypocritical. He has done his time for his first crime which was against an animal not the government or another human. We allow hunting, fishing and other acts as "game" but don't blink. The talk of him being banned or crucified and prevented from earning a living are ridiculous. I'm in no means a Vick fan but he should be allowed to return to the NFL or any other job and given a second chance.

marctrain1 Author Profile Page :

Sometimes, whether it be baseball, football, NBA or whatever that the actions of a sports figure are so outrageous that it has resulted in being banned for life. Happened when Judge Landis banned the so called Black Sox and again with Pete Rose for gambling. For those to whom much is given much is expected and I for one expect sports figures to model citizens. Vick has paid his debt to society through jail but that doesn't mean he get to go back to football and get to try to be a millionaire again. Some people need to have examples made of them.

mmo917 Author Profile Page :

Treat him the same way he treated those dogs! Why should he be allowed back? For a country that prides itself on having morals (that's how we show the rest of the world) where will our morality go if we allow someone like Michael Vick to get back to football and start to make money again? What will be teaching our children? And yes, he did not make a mistake, he consciously made a decision to abuse animals! It's not like he organized one dog fight only! And he is sorry because he is caught!Some argue that what he did has nothing to do with football. Right, it doesn't. and if he is allowed back, it's up to us as an audience to reject him! The real question is will we? And then, truly what will be teaching our kids!

sandnsmith Author Profile Page :

I guess he has paid his dues but I would not root for any football team who had him on. No he did not kill anyone but his revealed his lack of humanity by the way he treated his dog. Unless he wants to change and go through long term psychotherapy he is the same man who did these evil acts. And I cannot root for someone like that.

hughwgraham Author Profile Page :

He has paid for his crime. He should be free to pursue life liberty and happiness in any way he sees fit.

pburton1 Author Profile Page :

I AM SICK OF YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE DOGS THAT WERE TREATED INHUMANELY THAT THAT IS NOT AS BAD AS IF IT WERE HUMANS. ANIMALS HAVE FEELINGS, TOO. DO THEY NOT ALSO BLEED IF YOU CUT THEM AND EXPERIENCE PAIN? I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DERIVE MUCH MORE TRUST, LOYALTY AND FRIENDSHIP FROM MY DOGS (AND OTHER PETS) THAT I GET FROM HUMANS WHO WILL STAB YOU IN THE BACK AT THE FIRST CHANCE THEY GET. I'D RATHER HAVE AN ANIMAL AS A FRIEND. AT LEAST THEY ARE TRUE LOYAL FRIENDS. HUMANS SUCK!!!!!!!!! NO, VICK'S LIFE SHOULD BE MISERABLE AS LONG AS HE DRAWS BREATH!

zman3 Author Profile Page :

GladToBeInVA1 wrote :

"Michael Vick has paid his debt to society. He should be allowed to continue his career in the NFL, shrill protestations from the PETA crowd notwithstanding."

For the record, I personally find PETA to be a counterproductive and philosophically bankrupt organization. My organization, a 501(c)(3) charity which promotes animal welfare, (not 'rights') sterilization, and education, has no opinion on PETA, but has an extensive track record of working against cruelty and on behalf of our friends who have no voice of their own.

This issue has little to do with 'animal rights' (a hazy and indefinable concept), nor Michael Vick's 'rights' - it has to do with fundamental decency.

Again, trying to equate hunting, or to drag in non sequiter arguments about politics, religion or football antics ignores the facts. This man tortured animals for his own perverse pleasures. He would never have regretted his actions had they not been exposed. His greatest regret is in suffering consequences - not for the deliberate, horrific agony and torment he inflicted and derived profit and enjoyment from.

I can and do speak for millions in saying that his image in our living rooms is an affront. Of course, we have the option to just not watch - that's exactly what I'd advocate, and what the NFL had best pay attention to - vast numbers of disgusted viewers turning them off... Organized boycott or otherwise...

squarf Author Profile Page :

My football fan chums are unanimous in their feelings about Michael Vick's possible return to professional football: They will boycott any team that hires him. There are some crimes that reveal the true character of the perpetrator, and cruelty to animals is a surrogate for cruelty to human beings. The consensus: There should be no room in a national sport for such a person.

teason Author Profile Page :

Vick has been pestered by this problem ever since the dog-fighting matches and the brutality of it were exasperated by the media. Dogs are companions, no denial there but some breeds are specifically geared and groomed for competitive fighting competitions. The events took place within the privacy of Vick's home and one insider chose to become an outsider just because he felt that circumstances surrounding the loss of his dog were not accurately compensated for due to the money he lost placing bets on his own dog. His time has been served, let him continue to do what he does best, playing in the NFL.

caribis Author Profile Page :

There is no debate, what team owner is going to give him a contract? Half his teammates probably won't talk to him, any dog loving offensive lineman may let the occasional blitzer pass right by, opposing team players will have a field day when it comes to taunting and any stadium they visit will be utterly miserable to play in. And lets not even contemplate a dog loving official. The calls that are not subject to review are the judgment calls. I foresee a heavily penalized team. Then there will be the protests outside the team facilities, the dog loving fans who will let you hear about it, the boycotts of team merchandise and the boycotts of NFL merchandise. If the owner owns anything but the team he can expect similar protests against his other interests. And finally there are the other team owners. They'll blacklist you for bringing down all this negative media on the league. The league could easily deny any knowledge of his animal abuse when it was committed. No one has suspected the NFL of a cover-up. The same cannot be said of re-hiring him. You know now, so any economic blowback is your own fault.

It's an easy call for the NFL. Sure you can play if you can find a team who will sign you. Once you've done that maybe you can go leprechaun hunting.

prince3 Author Profile Page :

He should be allowed to play in the NFL again.

All of you whollier than thou people have been given a second chance at some point in your life so get off the pedestal!

It still amazes me in this country how an animal's life is more important than a humans

concettadt Author Profile Page :

Vick may have paid for his crime by serving time. However - like any other convicted criminal - he lost his chance to return to his previous legitimate profession. Lawyers who break the law may serve time and be disbarred. Doctors who break the law may serve time and be stripped of their medical license. Yet, NFL players (among other pro sports players) who break the law only occasionally serve time and usually still get to continue playing pro ball. Let's break the cycle of excusing criminals so long as they play professional sports!! Michael Vick is out of prison, but does not deserve a second chance in the NFL. Needless to say - his NFL career was average at best. He was far better as a college QB than as a NFL player anyway.

ChooseBestCandidate Author Profile Page :

imo, Vick certainly made an error. But i honestly respect that there are people out there who will acknowledge their error - take it on the chin - and accept their punishment. NO WHINING AND NO ASKING FOR SPECIAL FAVORS ..

I truly hope he gets back in and still at the top of his his game.

dont like to see anyone get into trouble but i sure hope people learn with regegard to animals and that they LEARN how to take stock of themselves when they get caught doing anything against the Law... and a greater lesson to athletes to behave themselves and accept the blessings bestowed on them... milions of kids wish they got a shot at the NFL, Tennis, etc.... be thankful and yes, you are a role model whether you want it or not, so behave accordingly.

yes, give Vick another chance - he deserves it.

steve44122 Author Profile Page :

put him with some dogs who were abused and let them get even.... Vick should be shun by anyone who is civil.........

augustiswest Author Profile Page :

people who say these are dogs not humans have it backwards in my opinion. If you hurt dogs your the worst kind of scum and the person who said it wasn't a drug bust like that would be worse than torturing and killing animals really has things screwed up. All serial killers killed animals first. BAN HIM FOR LIFE let him wrestle pacman.

FAMUKAPPA Author Profile Page :

Leave Vick alone and let him play football. No additional fines or penalties need be levied. He has served his time out of the league while in jail. He has paid his debt to society and then some. He has lost money, power, friends, and the opportunity to participate in a career he loves (and is naturally gifted to do). It is amazing how many people have made him more of a pariah than Bernie Madoff. For a predominanty Christian country, it is disheartening to see how little forgiveness we as a people have for SOME of us. If he were white, would we be so harsh in our judgment? Why is it ok to hunt animals for sport, but it's an unforgivable sin to fight animals for sport?

zman3 Author Profile Page :

teason wrote:

"Vick has been pestered by this problem ever since the dog-fighting matches and the brutality of it were exasperated by the media. Dogs are companions, no denial there but some breeds are specifically geared and groomed for competitive fighting competitions. The events took place within the privacy of Vick's home and one insider chose to become an outsider just because he felt that circumstances surrounding the loss of his dog were not accurately compensated for due to the money he lost placing bets on his own dog. His time has been served, let him continue to do what he does best, playing in the NFL."

Teason, you're suggesting that it's okay because the dogs were bred for aggression, and it happened behind closed doors? You're speaking to this as a property issue? Really??

I wish I could implant the experience I've had, of wading into remote places where dogs are routinely tethered with barbed wire, starved, beaten and maimed.

You come upon these animals who can't question their own circumstances - but are so exhausted by their own suffering that they can barely move. Some retain defensive aggression - lashing out at anything or anyone near them - others collapse in lethargic states, waiting for a merciful end too long in coming.

When you've had these animals in your hands - see the pain in their eyes, understand the reality of what they endure - have them bite, pee, poop and puke on you while you do whatever you can to change their circumstances... you will understand that it's not about whether they are "only animals" - it's about our own state of humanity.

Ignorant people do these things - people raised in cultures where animals are competitors or mere property, encultured myths that they have no souls, no feelings, no value apart from their purposes for man.

I can tell you that a man like Vick, raised in the shelter of the scholastic athletic environment, worshiped all his adult life, blessed with riches and fame - he resembles nothing of these poor people in remote places without education or opportunity as we understand it.
They can be somewhat forgiven, though the animals still need someone to intervene - someone to remove the ingrown wire from around their necks, to give them a bowl of food and water, to try to implant some understanding in the minds of their human tormentors.

Who was there to do this for Mr. Vick's animals? That he was able to perpetrate his torments behind gated walls, among enthusiastic participant friends and family, and with what he obviously believed would be impunity only makes his actions more barbaric and deliberately cruel.

Maybe you have to see and get your hands dirty with the real world, real life blood and guts of it, to finally be impacted enough to care. Maybe you have the imagination and compassionate soul to understand without going through all that.
Either way, it's not about property, it's about decency.

ISAYS Author Profile Page :

Everytime I hug my little Australian Shepard I think "BYE BYE VIC"! Loser....

1dewest Author Profile Page :

Child abusers, muggers, robbers, druggies, drug dealers, rapists, AND killers GOT LESS TIME THAN MICHAEL VICK.....so it's not about what he did.....it's about WHO HE IS!!!! AND DON'T EVEN LIE TO YOURSELF AS YOU READ THIS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW ONE OF THE ABOVE AND THEY HAVE GOTTEN LESS TIME. TELL THE TRUTH!!!

mwdw6 Author Profile Page :

I think every man deserves another chance. He should be given the opportunity to redeem himself as a person. People quickly condemn a person yet will ignore their shortcomings. America is about chances....give this man another one.

wcmillionairre Author Profile Page :

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. Should Goodell be foolish enough to reinstate him, and some owner be silly enough to sign him, Vick is still what he was...a mediocre talent.

hz9604 Author Profile Page :

If we stand for nothing else, we stand for redemption. Michael Vick must demonstrate his remorse however. He should do a PSA on the problem of dog fighting and those that use dogs to attack others.

wcmillionairre Author Profile Page :

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. Should Goodell be foolish enough to reinstate him, and some owner be silly enough to sign him, Vick is still what he was...a mediocre talent.

humanbeing2 Author Profile Page :

By all means, let him in ! And while we're at it, let's lower the bar on second chances for anyone that's paid their debt to society - no matter what their offense. It's no biggie, right ?

sonny2 Author Profile Page :

zman3 :
sonny2 wrote:

" zman3 wrote:

Most people recognize idiocy when they see it - such as posts like yours, for instance."

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That's laughable. "At times questionably" is right. Ever see Ted Nugent sneak up on a deer and shoot it in the head with a bow and arrow? How many years did Nugent do? Society can't have it both ways. Either all animals should be protected or none should be. Just because an animal has big brown eyes and people think the animal is their child is no reason to throw people in prison and deny them their livlihood.""

Ever see Ted Nuggent sneak up on a deer, capture it, throw it into a metal cage and soak it with water, then attach a set of battery terminals to it, turn on the juice and watch it writhe in agony - all because the deer didn't happen to main or kill another deer during the course of a staged event to support gambling?

Get a clue...
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Yeah, I guess the deer was cool with getting shot in the head with an arrow and writhing in agony until it finally bled to death because we call it "hunting." Ever hear of the Iditarod? That's a race in Alaska where they force dogs to drag a sled thousands of miles at top speed, all in the name of sport. Think anyone gambles on the Iditarod? Well guess what? At least five dogs died during the course of that race this year, and who knows how many more were injured and maimed. How many people got locked up for that? That's right, none. I think dog fighting and the Iditarod are both instances of cruelty, but don't tell me that Michael Vick deserves to be locked up and yet they happily put the Iditarod on TV. It's the sanctimonious, self-righteous hypocrites who need to get a clue.

VirginiaDad Author Profile Page :

It's misleading to state that Vick has paid for his crimes. A dogfighter in Alabama with a similar sized operation is now serving a 110-year prison sentence. And Vick has yet to face any charges at all for drowning, hanging, and shooting dogs, which are state animal cruelty offenses that have nothing to do with the weak federal conspiracy charge he ultimately pled to.

Why should we give him another chance? He already lied to our face. That smug picture of him in this article says it all. Whoever takes him at his word is a sucker.

susynh31 Author Profile Page :

I am an animal lover and I believe Vick deserves his second chance, he served a normal sentence for animal cruelty. It is sad, but being cruel to animals usually ends up with a person just getting a fine or a very short jail sentence. What makes me the most upset about this whole thing, is there are people commenting and saying they are only dogs. That is horrible, when you bring a domestic animal into your home/life you owe that animal the same care that you would give any member of your family. I am glad there are laws to protect animals, treating any living creature poorly is a crime and should be punishable by law.

steveo2 Author Profile Page :

prince3 :
He should be allowed to play in the NFL again.

All of you whollier than thou people have been given a second chance at some point in your life so get off the pedestal!

******************************************whollier?????? It's best to learn how to spell prior to chastising.

zman3 Author Profile Page :

sonny2 wrote:

"zman3 :
sonny2 wrote:

" zman3 wrote:

Most people recognize idiocy when they see it - such as posts like yours, for instance."

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That's laughable. "At times questionably" is right. Ever see Ted Nugent sneak up on a deer and shoot it in the head with a bow and arrow? How many years did Nugent do? Society can't have it both ways. Either all animals should be protected or none should be. Just because an animal has big brown eyes and people think the animal is their child is no reason to throw people in prison and deny them their livlihood.""

Ever see Ted Nuggent sneak up on a deer, capture it, throw it into a metal cage and soak it with water, then attach a set of battery terminals to it, turn on the juice and watch it writhe in agony - all because the deer didn't happen to main or kill another deer during the course of a staged event to support gambling?

Get a clue...
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Yeah, I guess the deer was cool with getting shot in the head with an arrow and writhing in agony until it finally bled to death because we call it "hunting." Ever hear of the Iditarod? That's a race in Alaska where they force dogs to drag a sled thousands of miles at top speed, all in the name of sport. Think anyone gambles on the Iditarod? Well guess what? At least five dogs died during the course of that race this year, and who knows how many more were injured and maimed. How many people got locked up for that? That's right, none. I think dog fighting and the Iditarod are both instances of cruelty, but don't tell me that Michael Vick deserves to be locked up and yet they happily put the Iditarod on TV. It's the sanctimonious, self-righteous hypocrites who need to get a clue. "


I see then - because one group gets away with something reprehensible, another should too. And anyone who speaks against it is a hypocrite by default because they happen to breathe the same air, I guess...

Got it. ;-)

Next time someone maims one of your family members and the perp gets off, going on to enjoy an illustrious career as a rock star, we'll remind you of your moral gymnastics as to why that's actually fair and just as it should be.

aishaderricott1 Author Profile Page :

Vick may have gotten less time and more honorable mention if he went to a club, got drunk, shot somebody and ran off. It is funny how some offenses are percieved as forgivable. A popular judge once said, when sentencing that she is careful to seperate her personal anger at a person and make decisions based on if that person is a danger to society. The man had a spotless record before the incident and made a huge lapse in judgement. I enjoyed watching him as a quarterback - he was electric. I hope that someone WILL sign him. He deserves another chance.

NYC3 Author Profile Page :

Doing his time means he's legally off the hook (no more jail / fines / etc.) It has nothing to do with whether the NFL should let him play. Kick him out, I'm sure there are lots of good players out there who'd love to have his in the NFL and who don't spend their free time hurting innocent animals.

mlemac Author Profile Page :

Let the dogs decide.

Gather a pack of wild dogs and put them in a room with Vic.

Wait 30 minutes.

I can live with their decision.

steveo2 Author Profile Page :

mlemac :
Let the dogs decide.

Gather a pack of wild dogs and put them in a room with Vic.

Wait 30 minutes.

I can live with their decision.

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Could not agree more......well put.

dudleysmom2004 Author Profile Page :

As the responsible owner of 2 wonderful pitbulls I AM AGAINST MIKE VICK BEING REHIRED TO THE NFL. Why should he get a second chance? what second chance did he give the dogs that were killed just because they lost a fight that they didn't want to do in the first place. What message is this sending to our youth? it's ok to kill and mame animals cause look at mike Vick, he is making millions and he did it. Is this the message we want our country to portray?

Daisy5 Author Profile Page :

Clearly two years in jail is a good beginning for people like Vick, but it is not the end. The only way this seriously sick man can atone for what he has done is to spend the rest of his life supporting organizations that help dogs, helping to eliminate puppy mills and doing the right things for animals. Forget football. There are plenty of men to take his place who like to get kicked in the head and beaten up six months out of the year. Maybe that is what happened to him. Too many shots in the head.

hsbowen Author Profile Page :

Pete Rose was eliminated from Baseball for very similiar reasons. I, as an individual, feel cheated and abused by the foul play perpetrated by minority "movers and shapers" that are regularly excused and tolerated. How much strychnine can a person tolerate before it kills them?
Americans are becoming caloled into behaving like cheaters, liars, and thieves by a morally corrupt media.


deepthroat21 Author Profile Page :

As measured over the course of a decade, the NFL is a multi-billion dollar business. It is media RELIANT.... 'Nuff said?

cbh4271 Author Profile Page :

Should Michael Vick be allowed to return to the NFL? Absolutely not. Period.

Maddog2 Author Profile Page :

Come on folks. I love animals; we have 5 dogs and 17 horses. Mike has paid his debt to society with his time. Let the man do what he does best. FYI - Anyone ever think about the fact that the 4th Circuit is full of UVA Hoos who were embarrassed by Vick at many VT-UVA football games. Put real criminals in jail - Start with a few Senators, Congressmen and Judges. GO HOKIES!!!

donwilli Author Profile Page :

Last I checked, we still live in a country that claims once you "pay your debt to society" you are free to continue your life's journey. If Vick is good enough to make it back to the NFL, then he should be welcomed back as a redeemed man. We all need 2nd, 3rd & 4th, etc., chances everyday for our "screw-ups."

maddogg1981 Author Profile Page :

Vick should be given a second chance. We all make mistakes it just haven't caught up with us as yet. Everyone knows that hey are other sports stars doing worse than dog fights and is still allow to be in games on teams. WTF!

paulfromsilverspring Author Profile Page :

I have a dog and I love my dog. I'm 100% against dog fighting.

But, Vick paid his debt to society. He served his time in prison. He was rehabilitated in jail - that's what jail is all about right? So why shouldn't he be treated fairly now?

He paid for his mistakes and from now moving forward he shouldn't be judged by his past. He also shouldn't have to pay society for all of the mistakes made by other high profile athletes. He is a young individual who made a (huge) mistake.

If he's still talented enough to make it on to an NFL roster, he should definitely be allowed to.

It looks like to many people, legal justice is not enough. These people will probably protest and team up with PETA and the Humane Society. The potential public backlash will probably prevent any NFL team from taking a chance on Vick.

What he did was wrong, but so is severe penalty from the court of public opinion.

sonny2 Author Profile Page :

zman3 :
sonny2 wrote:

"zman3 :
sonny2 wrote:

" zman3 wrote:

Most people recognize idiocy when they see it - such as posts like yours, for instance."

*********************************

That's laughable. "At times questionably" is right. Ever see Ted Nugent sneak up on a deer and shoot it in the head with a bow and arrow? How many years did Nugent do? Society can't have it both ways. Either all animals should be protected or none should be. Just because an animal has big brown eyes and people think the animal is their child is no reason to throw people in prison and deny them their livlihood.""

Ever see Ted Nuggent sneak up on a deer, capture it, throw it into a metal cage and soak it with water, then attach a set of battery terminals to it, turn on the juice and watch it writhe in agony - all because the deer didn't happen to main or kill another deer during the course of a staged event to support gambling?

Get a clue...
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Yeah, I guess the deer was cool with getting shot in the head with an arrow and writhing in agony until it finally bled to death because we call it "hunting." Ever hear of the Iditarod? That's a race in Alaska where they force dogs to drag a sled thousands of miles at top speed, all in the name of sport. Think anyone gambles on the Iditarod? Well guess what? At least five dogs died during the course of that race this year, and who knows how many more were injured and maimed. How many people got locked up for that? That's right, none. I think dog fighting and the Iditarod are both instances of cruelty, but don't tell me that Michael Vick deserves to be locked up and yet they happily put the Iditarod on TV. It's the sanctimonious, self-righteous hypocrites who need to get a clue. "


I see then - because one group gets away with something reprehensible, another should too. And anyone who speaks against it is a hypocrite by default because they happen to breathe the same air, I guess...

Got it. ;-)

Next time someone maims one of your family members and the perp gets off, going on to enjoy an illustrious career as a rock star, we'll remind you of your moral gymnastics as to why that's actually fair and just as it should be.
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It's called being morally consistent. It's also called equal justice under the law. Is English your first language? I never said anyone should get away with anything. What I said is, those who want to crucify one group, while putting the other group on TV are hypocrites. You thought Ted Nugent shooting a deer in the head was ok because no electrodes were involved. Since you like lame analogies, how about this one? What if we shoot one of your family members in the head with an arrow and then let the perp off because we call it hunting? We'll see how you like that.

maceok Author Profile Page :

The man served his time and has the right to make a living, whether the NFL reinstates him or not. Ex-V.P. Cheney shot a man in the face and no one was outraged (except possibly the man's wife), but now everyone wants to vilify Mike Vick. I love dogs myself, but if you really care about rehabilitation, let him donate a portion of his salary to Animal Rights Groups and/or have him work with injured animals in the off-season. We have a Black President; the time for double standards is over.

zman3 Author Profile Page :

sonny2 wrote:

"zman3 :
sonny2 wrote:

"zman3 :
sonny2 wrote:

" zman3 wrote:

Most people recognize idiocy when they see it - such as posts like yours, for instance."

*********************************

That's laughable. "At times questionably" is right. Ever see Ted Nugent sneak up on a deer and shoot it in the head with a bow and arrow? How many years did Nugent do? Society can't have it both ways. Either all animals should be protected or none should be. Just because an animal has big brown eyes and people think the animal is their child is no reason to throw people in prison and deny them their livlihood.""

Ever see Ted Nuggent sneak up on a deer, capture it, throw it into a metal cage and soak it with water, then attach a set of battery terminals to it, turn on the juice and watch it writhe in agony - all because the deer didn't happen to main or kill another deer during the course of a staged event to support gambling?

Get a clue...
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Yeah, I guess the deer was cool with getting shot in the head with an arrow and writhing in agony until it finally bled to death because we call it "hunting." Ever hear of the Iditarod? That's a race in Alaska where they force dogs to drag a sled thousands of miles at top speed, all in the name of sport. Think anyone gambles on the Iditarod? Well guess what? At least five dogs died during the course of that race this year, and who knows how many more were injured and maimed. How many people got locked up for that? That's right, none. I think dog fighting and the Iditarod are both instances of cruelty, but don't tell me that Michael Vick deserves to be locked up and yet they happily put the Iditarod on TV. It's the sanctimonious, self-righteous hypocrites who need to get a clue. "


I see then - because one group gets away with something reprehensible, another should too. And anyone who speaks against it is a hypocrite by default because they happen to breathe the same air, I guess...

Got it. ;-)

Next time someone maims one of your family members and the perp gets off, going on to enjoy an illustrious career as a rock star, we'll remind you of your moral gymnastics as to why that's actually fair and just as it should be.
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It's called being morally consistent. It's also called equal justice under the law. Is English your first language? I never said anyone should get away with anything. What I said is, those who want to crucify one group, while putting the other group on TV are hypocrites. You thought Ted Nugent shooting a deer in the head was ok because no electrodes were involved. Since you like lame analogies, how about this one? What if we shoot one of your family members in the head with an arrow and then let the perp off because we call it hunting? We'll see how you like that."

Well sonny, your moral consistencies are a bit hard to follow. So, bow hunting should be a crime apparently (I'm not entirely on board with this, but close), while torturing dogs shouldn't because bow hunting isn't... or is it that Ted Nuggent should be crucified for bow hunting, while Mr. Vick should go on with his former career after deliberately causing the traumatic deaths of scores of animals for his pleasure and further enrichment.

I'm thinking that maybe your own comprehension is at issue considering the ideas you ascribe to me that I haven't stated, and those which I have which you misrepresent. You seem really intent on ignoring/avoiding the morality of Mr. Vick's actions, while dragging in the strawman of Mr. Nuggent, or the iditarod, or Musolinni or Dick Cheney. Just speak to the morality and decency of Mr. Vick's actions as they stand. If you want to decry double standards, then rather than appearing to support Mr. Vick, demand that he be dealt with appropriately for his acts, and others be dealt with for theirs. Slamming me or others who find him grossly objectionable because we don't speak in the same breath to your other examples is not really 'morally consistent', Sonny - it's just pointlessly argumentative rationalization and justification.

I'm not interested in jousting for its own sake, Sonny. I think your objections go to someplace you haven't overtly stated here, but others have. Rather than speculate on what those motives are or aren't, I'll just wish you a nice day...

jonesh4 Author Profile Page :

I have read a large portion of these comments and noticed that there is negative feelings attached to the NFL even considering him back in the league.

First, as a handful of readers I have commented he will be reinstated in the NFL and his work with animal rights group will only enhance the image of the NFL as well as himself. We can sit here and debate all day about whether he is remorseful or not, but if the work with the animnl rights group turns out to be a success in educating people and converting minds, then it will be a win win for animal rights as well.

It is probably going to happen and it will be hard to continue to hate, and more about what you can do with your life in after you make a mistake. If the animal rights group is willing to take the heat of using him as a spokesperson then not sure why the NFL would not.

jonesh4 Author Profile Page :

Second I dont think anyone condones his acts but when you talk about other crimes commited by people in power (Bush/Cheny on torture, priests on sex abuse, etc) and they are able to not only escape punishment but also continue thrive in their profession. Not sure why acts such as sex abuse and child molestration are not given the some type of attention but it does make you wonder about the mindset of some people in this country.

jonesh4 Author Profile Page :

Also wanted to comment about supposely the professional leagues such as NFL, NBA, MLB being nothing but thugs and crimnals.

If you ever were to look at the stats you would find that perception is far from the truth, but of course media and general public always wants to report the negative everyday. There are so many sincere contributions and efforts by athletes that go unnoticed and unreported that it is a shame.

I know everyone hates on them because they are millionaires and of course the general perception is to lump all of them as being thugs, ungrateful, criminals etc. Basically it is what it is people will always have double standards and each situation will be different, whether it is animal abuse, sex abuse, murder etc.

Curmudgeon10 Author Profile Page :

I don't think he has a future in the NFL, no matter how many hours he puts in with the Humane Society.

Perhaps he should consider professional dog sledding. You know, that whole Iditarod thing.

kieran2001 Author Profile Page :

If a team wants the guy, reinstate him. If nobody wants him, he stays out. Why should he have any more or fewer rights than any other ex-con who has paid his debt?

ghettoman104 Author Profile Page :

Vick has done his time...that is that, he has been punished for his mistakes and now it's time leave him be. Someone will eventually pick him up...he's got talent, and you can't teach that

hithere2 Author Profile Page :

A gang of white kids in Shenandoah PA beat a Mexican immigrant to death and will serve only a few months. This guy was cruel to his dogs and got almost 2 years. Interesting how justice works

 
 
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