When high profile players test positive for performance enhancing drugs how does it affect the fans?
billy8: "Besides, I like seeing offense, and if baseball scores start looking like football scores because some gorilla with BB sized testicles is s...
bufford_tee: Dr. Lord Of The Flies,
Athletes respond to the demand of the market. It is no more complicated than that.
Your patients and their presuma...
gshpc: "Should professional soccer leagues double the size of the goal in order to make the sport more offense based and therefore more popular?"
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Get over it, fans. Legalize steroids and be done with it. The current witch hunt is sheer foolishness. Twenty years from now we will all look back and wonder what all the fuss was about...
May 7, 2009 4:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I agree with Doug's opinion. Additionally, it almost seems the media overlooks, for example, a guy like L.T. who admitted to cocaine use to get up for games. How many sacks can be attributed to being coked up? The answer is a whole bunch. Was Joe's leg broken, and career ended, whilst L.T. was on coke? Yet L.T. gets a free pass, and the media hammered to death Bonds. Get this list of MLB players that included A-Rod, you'll see they all did it. And the fault for that lies with MLB, Bud Selig, the PA and the owners.
May 8, 2009 8:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Steroid use no longer matters to the fans. If it did, the fans would boycott games. They don't. Legalize steroids and make the playing field even. As far as the affect steroids have on young men, take a look around -- most high school football players are using them with their father and mothers' quiet approval, and most gyms around the country are full of pumped up teens, 20 and 30-something men. It's a reality and it's not going away.
May 8, 2009 9:42 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Ask yourself this question, would you trade 5 years of you life for 5 million dollars right now? I think many people would answer yes to this question and that is why the fans no longer seem to care about the steroid issue. Who am I to say the users are wrong, it's their life and if they want to trade some of it for money, well, we're all dead in the long run.
May 8, 2009 10:09 AM | Report Offensive Comments
DOES IT MATTER AND/OR WILL IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? ALL SPORTS ARE AFFECTED.
WHO REMEMBERS LYLE ALZADO? EVERYTHING IS
GETTING BIGGER/MORE POWERFUL/MORE EXPENSIVE. THOSE INVOLVED THINK ONLY OF THEMSELVES. TRADE OFF THEIR LIVES - ITS THERE CHOICE - CUT OFF THE YEARS - AWAY FROM FAMILIES - NO WAY. THEY SIMPLY DON'T CARE FOR ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES. TRADE OF FOR 5 YEARS IS SELFISH PURE AND SIMPLE. BUY INSURANCE - THEY CERTAINLY HAVE THE MONEY. TICKET PRICES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF AND CLIMBING - PLAYERS WHO STAY WITH THE SAME TEAM ARE A RARITY. FEWER MOM'S AND DAD'S CAN AFFORD TO TAKE THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS TO GAMES.
IT MATTERS TO ME, BUT INDIFFERENCE AND IGNORANCE SEEMS THE RULE UNTIL WE BOYCOTT AND USE OUR MONEY IN OTHER WAYS. THE PLAYERS WITH CLASS LIKE BARRY SANDERS, LARRY BIRD,BILL RUSSELL, ROGER MARIS ARE FADING AWAY. IN THE PRESENT THEY ARE CLEARLY IN THE MINORITY.
DO YOU REMEMBER CLASS.....
May 8, 2009 11:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Players abuse of drugs and general disregard for the spirit of competition is a major factor why I've pretty much stopped following any professional sports in the U.S. I do follow some European sports as they've been making efforts to strip drug use out of sports. The U.S. seems to have this, we can do whatever, attitude and the dumb fans support it. Too bad. We have a bunch of grown men and women making a big paycheck and putting on a freak show much to the merriment of the ignorant, paying masses. And as long as people are making money off of it, who cares what these people do to themselves or what example they set. Without integrity, we've got nothing.
May 8, 2009 11:27 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Because fewer and fewer players have franchise/home-team loyalty, the "effects" on fans aren't substantial, at all; they are virtually non-existent.
Fan responses fall into four basic categories: 1)schadenfreude that the overpaid jock got his comeuppance; 2)5 minutes of water-cooler venting (see schadenfreude), with some holier-than-thou thrown in; 3)emotional, indiscriminate defense of their favorite's behavior;
4)indifference. Major league players are mercenaries. The next flash in the pan will be along any minute.
However is Ramirez to survive on only 2/3 of his $25 mil salary? A commodity [ML sports figure] is only 'worth it' as long as there are consumers willing to purchase it (bread and circuses).
These guys don't need to follow any rules? Forget shelling out the $$ to go to the park/arena. The smartest fans have figured out how to sit on their wallets, in their recliners, with their remote in hand. They've long since stopped being taken to the cleaners for the privilege of cheering on excuse-making street fighters (NBA) or dopers (MLB).
The people who posted that steroids should be legalized and permitted in sports are very ignorant and borderline neaderthals. Has our society fallen so far? Not only is performance enhancing drugs wrong on the basis of sportsmanship, but if abused it can be LETHAL. As a Physician I deal with patients and families whose lives are destroyed by drug abuse; the cost is their jobs, their health, their families, and even tax payers end up sharing in their bills. Unfortunately young Americans look up to people like Manny Ramirez and Aroid, in attempts to achieve their fame and riches. If we condone their drug abuse we risk the lives of many and direct our nation towards a "Lord of the Flies" society of immoral cretans.
May 8, 2009 11:49 AM | Report Offensive Comments
In the meantime, they're all still millionaires.
May 8, 2009 12:34 PM | Report Offensive Comments
This news story, the surrounding issue, and artificial controversy around it is a complete joke. If there's a serious sports fan in this country that isn't aware of the decades-old widespread use of enhancers among all athletes, in all sports, including horses...I'd like to meet him, because it would be like meeting an alien from another galaxy.
The feigned morality behind these fruitless, expensive witch hunts is grossly hypocritical. Professional sports in America is purely a profit-motivated form of entertainment. And because of that, it puts pressure on the entertainers to do whatever they feel is necessary, however detrimental it is to their bodies, in order to perform at a peak level.
Yet, the institutions and the customers who place this pressure on the athletes are perfectly willing to hang them out to dry, almost randomly, over an inflated sense of self-righteousness? That is a textbook example of Bovine Scat.
Selig, the Mitchell commission, and the entire chorus of fishwives who cluck their toungues over this pill and that injection, are little more than hypocritical pigs at a trough, occasionally nudging some other pig out of the way.
This whole absurd, hysterical, show-business drama is a thousand times worse than anything Manny Ramirez may have put into his body.
May 8, 2009 12:39 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I don't think drugs gave changed fandom much. I mean, the obnoxious dude two rows down is still getting waxed on beer, but he is starting to get really woozy by the 5th inning now, where he used to make it the bottom of the 7th, and a few of the younger ones are bonging their way thru the season at home... Oh, you mean the PLAYERS? Well, who cares? I mean, I got a wall street full of crooks who stole my money and they are walking around getting bonuses I could only dream about. But Pro sportsters are taking drugs and ruining the game!! So? Why should they be any different than the rest of the country? Besides, I like seeing offense, and if baseball scores start looking like football scores because some gorilla with BB sized testicles is smacking homers at a .650 average, who cares? Fans will just have to start bringing suitcases to the park to carry home the souvenirs. Probably the only people who really care about drugs in sports besides the whiney sportswriters who like to have something to yak about are the gamblers, because it throws of the line.
All the B$ about sports figures are there simply because most Americans can't face reality. P!ssing and moaning about Manny and A-Rod are just ways of feeling substantive about something meaningless that they can handle.
I guess I'm one of the rare ones. A long time rec athlete having finished a b-ball scholarship, I have stopped watching all sports except maybe some NCAA final four. The athletes are too spoiled, think everyone owes them because of their talent and they act like thugs. This is only secondary to the outrageous ticket prices and every other merchandising program that is tied to these men. They don't get a dime of my money but I'm sure they could care less.
May 8, 2009 12:42 PM | Report Offensive Comments
"Besides, I like seeing offense, and if baseball scores start looking like football scores because some gorilla with BB sized testicles is smacking homers at a .650 average, who cares?"
Disagree completely. The current slugging nature of baseball teams, in which middle infielders are now required to hit like first baseman, is changing the game. A lot of people don't like baseball because of its pace and lack of offense. Thats fine. Thats what the NFL is for. Changing the game because fans like offense is not a good idea. Soccer is a sport that does not have a lot of offense. Since steroids would probably not help, should professional soccer leagues double the size of the goal in order to make the sport more offense based and therefore more popular?
May 8, 2009 12:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Dr. Lord Of The Flies,
Athletes respond to the demand of the market. It is no more complicated than that.
Your patients and their presumably responsible parents should be made aware of the devastating affects of performance enhancers, and discouraged from using them.
Banning the drugs and making grand public displays of hypocrisy obviously has no impact on their use, across the spectrum of professional sports. And if you have not noticed already, professional sports in America long ago morphed into staged entertainment, from its roots in pure athletic competition.
As for the immoral cretins and borderline neanderthals of society, they are products of their homes and families. They are the most granular level of the base society you whine about. They generate the demand I spoke of. If a teen athlete is not prevented from using these drugs at home, no media trial of Manny or A-rod is going to do any good, whatsover. That is the reality in which we live.
May 8, 2009 12:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
"Should professional soccer leagues double the size of the goal in order to make the sport more offense based and therefore more popular?"
May 8, 2009 3:53 PM | Report Offensive Comments