The League

THE QUESTION

If You Were Goodell, How Would You Handle Vick?

Is a 4-6 game suspension the right punishment for the embattled quarterback?

Posted by Emil Steiner on July 24, 2009 11:39 AM
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burro2: Michael Vick is about as "contrite" as Bill Clinton was when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman" I think that Roger "The Wimp" Goo...

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panamajack Author Profile Page :

Vick should never play professional football again. Other athletes guilty of felonies or other terrible behavior have gotten off light in the past, and that's agregious. The time for "forgiving" criminals just to boost sports leagues' bottom lines is over.

davequ Author Profile Page :

Yes. Get Clinton Portis a brain transplant.

Portis:
"I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, it's his dog," Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis told WAVY-TV in Virginia. "If that's what he wants to do, do it. I think people should mind their business."

When told that dog fighting is a felony, Portis replied, "It can't be too bad of a crime."

"You want to hunt down Mike Vick over fighting some dogs?," Portis told the television station. "I think people should mind their own business."

Portis said that dog fighting is more common than people think.

"I know a lot of back roads that have the dog fighting if you want to go see it," he said.

bob76 Author Profile Page :

Vick is a disgrace and should remain in Newport News and work at 7-11. I also attended Warwick High School there, and was a big fan of his and talked him up whenever I could before his sadistic nature was exposed. "He did his time" is a weak argument--he's supposed to be a role model, but he's nothing but a liar and a torturer of animals. As someone who has dogs and considers them members of our family, I find his actions unforgivable.

alex35332 Author Profile Page :

Vick should be allowed to play in the NFL at some point, but I think it should be a 1 year ban. Ricky Williams was ban for 1 year after getting busted for smoking a little dope. Vick should be out for at least that, fighting dogs is worse then recreational drug use.

dolph924 Author Profile Page :

I would have his face and genitals rubbed in liverwurst and then toss him naked into a ring with some hungry, angry pit bulls. All that serving his time gets him is out of jail. He "deserves" nothing but the opportunity to some day rot in hell.

capone1 Author Profile Page :

This cretin should never be allowed to play professional football or any sport again. He's a cruel, inhuman person and is no role model for our kids or anyone. Allowing him back in the NFL with a mere slap on the wrist (remembered he lied about this in another meeting w/NFL) is an insult to all us fans. I know of many people who are getting ready to organize boycotts against NFL advertisers the minute the league caves on this one.

ck0712 Author Profile Page :

I ring all of your sentiments, as this should be applied to ANY of the leagues felons! No felon should be allowed to play ever again, but alas......wishful thinking on my part. It worries me most what sort of message this is passing onto the up & comers, the next draft class.

Off to the UFL he will go, 4 sure, lets see how the new league handles the PR nightmare, shall we?

Enjoy your weekend!

CaliSunshine1 Author Profile Page :

This was an horrific expose of brutality toward animals in general, and the loss of compassion among the folks that partake in this activity.

Michael Vick has been more than contrite, he's kept quiet, he's served his time and for the most part, paid his dues. I cannot believe that he hasn't learned a lesson from this. Dan Reeves detailed a very acceptable and nice human being, when recently recounting his relationship with Vick.

He deserves to be back in the NFL now.

ck0712 Author Profile Page :

People are forgetting it's not the dog fighting that got Vick locked up, he LIED to the Feds.........Had he been forthcoming, i'm sure his "prison" time would have been nadda!

As for him deserving to be back in the league, i can appreciated that point, because Roger has ALWAYS let the felons back in. So yes, he should be allowed back in, by the laws of Roger.

By the laws of society, that remains to be seen.......

wcmillionairre Author Profile Page :

He is a common criminal; just ignore him.

gss49 Author Profile Page :

He paid for his mistake, dearly. Let him get on with his life. If he can still play professional football, good. Let him. There are insurance executives who get paid more money than Vick for denying cancer patients chemotherapy because they call it "experimental." As bad as it was, what Vic did can be put in perspective.

Tempy_McJobhunt Author Profile Page :

The entire Michael Vick saga has been one of the sillier episodes I've ever seen. Who knew that dogfighting was as damaging to society as drug trafficking and child molestation?

The man has received arguably one of the totally unjustified sentence. You people have gotten your pound of flesh. Let the man get on with his life.

Tempy_McJobhunt Author Profile Page :

The entire Michael Vick saga has been one of the sillier episodes I've ever seen. Who knew that dogfighting was as damaging to society as drug trafficking and child molestation?

The man has received arguably one of the totally unjustified sentence. You people have gotten your pound of flesh. Let the man get on with his life.

nyrunner101 Author Profile Page :

If he is still good enough to play, let him play. He has served his sentence for what he did. Let him play.

wcmillionairre Author Profile Page :

He is a common criminal; just ignore him.

rcubedkc Author Profile Page :

Throw him in a pit full of pit bulls equal to his weight.

If he lives through it but doesn't fight up to expectations, electrocute him with a car battery or drown him.

A dog for a dog so to speak.

ddorseydesign Author Profile Page :

Mr. Vick's heinous acts totally disgust me, but he has served his time and should be allowed to get on with his life, and his work. I believe it should be left up to the individual team owners and organizations to determine what his possible worth is to them. He will continue to pay for this crime anyway because of his lost productive years and his rightly reduced popularity and marketability. We have to decide if we are about justice or vengence, and reaize that vengence unleashed becomes revenge and that is a dangerous thing for us all.

NotNowMooky Author Profile Page :

Here is what I would do with Vick. Take him back to the football field. And then pummel him, kick him, stick him with things until parts of him started to fall off. Then smash his head with a rock and set the whole mess on fire.

That seems reasonable and fitting to me.

NotNowMooky Author Profile Page :

For all you "he did his time" fools, rapists also do their time. Do you want them to return to teaching your children in school?

Doing time doesn't reform the person. Vick has shown himself to be a very sick man who lacks foundational ethics. He cannot be trusted. He is broken. He should be put down.

fresno500 Author Profile Page :

Most of this is just "white man's humiliation" that he heaps on the blackmen. (I'm sure I'm not teaching anybody.) He can't help himself. Anyway, Vick has paid his debt to society, its over. Go heap the "white mans' humiliation" on Obama for his comments.

You know.....different standards for same crime.....you know.

wturecki Author Profile Page :

All too often, over the last 20 years, professional football in America has had to detour into the paths of players involved with crime. I'm not old enough to know if it was prevalent to the same degree in the 50's and 60's but I'd be interested to know.

ProfessorWrightBSU Author Profile Page :

Goodell shouldn't be able to fine Vick for something that did not occur on the job.

Imagine if you got pulled over for a DUI on your own time and the company you work for decided to suspend you without pay for 2 months because it made the company look bad.

The NFL's morals clause over reaches.

pfk98 Author Profile Page :

The guy was found guilty and did his time. He paid for what he did wrong. If he was an engineer or a pilot, would he be denied his right to work? I don't think so.

surlydoc Author Profile Page :

he'll be allowed to sign with a team that's willing to take him.
he probably will not start at QB.
he will most likely be a back-up QB or
a situation player on offense or special teams. his days of stardom and the big bucks are over because he's "been away" too long. he'll probably be playing for an amount close to the nfl minimum and any team will not want to provide him a high profile.

dsrobins Author Profile Page :

Well, the answer is obvious. We should find a large group of vicious dogs, hopefully mostly pitbills and dobermans, preferably infected with rabies. Then we should build a large pen, walls about 12 feet high and then toss Vick in with the dogs. If he comes out alive, let him play again, but not before.

BMACattack Author Profile Page :

It is absolutely ridiculous that the NFL should have to impose any type of suspension on Vick. The man served his federal sentence completely. The last time I checked, the NFL is not the federal correcional institution, it's a football league. Our society has this sick infatuation with hanging people out to dry. Michael Vick is an amazing athelete, albeit a misguided and very rich athlete, amazing nonetheless, WHO HAS PAID HIS DEBT TO SOCIETY. This is my 2 cents, none of which have condoned dog fighting or put that heinous crime under a better light, Michael Vick is a criminal for what he has done, BUT my point is, he has paid the price that society gave him. Let him play.

asiajohn1 Author Profile Page :

While one doesn't condone dogfighting, the whole Michael Vick issue has gone way beyond the ludicrous.

Vick went to jail on federal racketeering charges in a case where the amount of money being wagered was utter peanuts compared to the money Vick was making from football.

Whoever heard of a gangster who engages in crime part-time? Clearly, although what Vick did was odious, Vick was engaging in an activity for recreation, not to create a huge crime syndicate or to generate huge amounts of wealth.

Vick should be readmitted immediately not because he is a great athlete or because we, the fans, need him. At best, Vick is a mediocre quaterback, who should have used his unique skills in another position.

But he should be allowed to play if anyone wants him because it is his right as a citizen in our country to be allowed to make a living.

In my opinion he should never have gone to prison...that was too excessive for something that got blown out of all proportion.

Dog fighting is a sick and cruel activity but let's not go totally overboard.

Afterall Vick didn't mislead his country into a war that costs thousands of lives, destroyed many American families and has left tens of thousands permanently injured for a worthless cause.

clarkw Author Profile Page :

I think that the commissioner should clear Vick to play in the NFL without any suspension. After all he has paid the debt that society laid on him, regardless of whether we think it was too light or too heavy a burden.
Having said that, I would be surprised if any owner would give him a huge contract, or a contract for more than a year or consider him to ever be anything other than a backup QB. I think that wherever and whenever he gets into a game the abuse he will take will be incredible. And I think it will continue forever. So it is my view that his career is effectively over as his presence will be so disruptive to a team that no owner will continue to carry him. The sports writers will of course feast on his every move, further disrupting the team and assuring the quick death of his once promising career.

g0tcha Author Profile Page :

Vick paid his debt to society. He should now be free to earn a living. If the NFL limits his ability to earn a living, a capable lawyer should sue the NFL. I don't know if an NFL team will hire him (they need to consider the impact on their team), but they should have the option.

BTW - i dispise what Vick did. But I would also dispise the NFL if they think they serve justice by adding an additional sentence to what Vick has already paid.

dgblues Author Profile Page :

"Vick paid his debt to society. He should now be free to earn a living."

Absolutely.

He got a college education, didn't he? Time to use it. Get a job like everybody else.

Oh, he screwed off and just went too college to play football, and didn't actually get an education? Oh well, should have though of that before brutalizing helpless animals for his personal enjoyment.

No mercy. Ever. There is no redemption for a psycho.

He can work shoveling out the pens at the animal shelter.

pofinpa Author Profile Page :

boycott any team that retains him. another arrogant fool,that feels their status puts them above laws,rules etc than us common folk follow

Blkjewelz8960 Author Profile Page :

Vick has paid his debt to society and should be able to return to his normal place of employment.

As someone mentioned above, Vick did not go to jail for dogfighting, he went to jail for lying under oath. Funny how so many sit in judgement when we have ALL lied at some point in time.

mgolash Author Profile Page :

Vick has been humiliated punished for his offense. Why continue to harm him by denying him the opportunity to play football.

This is not the type of offense which a person should be punished their whole life for.

lswonder Author Profile Page :

Let him play. He is no role model - he is a football player. If we don't allow felons to return to work we just get more felonies. The "holier than thou" crowd would let their brother-in-law return because "he isn't a bad person, he just did a bad thing."

ekinkade Author Profile Page :

Vick should be banished from the NFL.

strongerthandirt Author Profile Page :

He should be banned until he demonstrates true remorse, and dedicates himself to some kind of human or animal welfare project.

ilex6251 Author Profile Page :

Vick is tainted. Move him out of the sports system.

jdcallahan Author Profile Page :

According to our laws, Vick has paid his criminal debt to society (although the punishment should have been public execution). The moral debt, however, is that the free market (public purchasing power)should ensure he never returns to multi-millionaire celebrity status. if he returns, the public should boycott the NFL.

bfkennedy1 Author Profile Page :

If the white guys who run the NFL can make a buck by having Vick play in the NFL he will pay. Show me the money!

wtmeyer4 Author Profile Page :

Why should Vick be suspended at all? How many games has he already missed? Football is a job just like working at 7-11. If you worry about your kids watching Vick on TV and admiring his skill, use it as a teaching lesson to remind them of what he did and how he was punished for it. Suspending him for a few more games has no value. For the NFL to have a parallel justice system and values does not make much sense. Let the NFL establishment worry about issues outside the criminal justice system.

eaglehawkaroundsince1937 Author Profile Page :

Just you be thankful Mr. Vic that your crime did not match your punishment. I for one do not want you as a roll model for my grandchildren. A public floging on the field might be a starter.

vn11701 Author Profile Page :

The man is a murderer. Proceed accordingly.

CJamesJr Author Profile Page :

The crime is deplorable and disgusting. As disgusting in this writer's view is our overblown sports culture and adulation of athletes. All that said - he did his crime, served his time. If it's four to seven games on top of it - then let him be.

jimmmayo Author Profile Page :

If Vick was a doctor he could still practice medicine. If he was a stockbroker he could still trade bonds. if he was an engineer he could still design in his field. He was convicted. He served his time. Let him work.

ian807 Author Profile Page :

Castration without benefit of anesthesia. Done with the same instruments used on the dogs he bet on.

Segway Author Profile Page :

Kick his butt out of pro-football!!!!!!!

victorialuna Author Profile Page :

Let him play football. He has been punished enough. Why don't we try forgiveness.

hyjanks Author Profile Page :

If players in the criminal enterprise known as the Bush Administration are free to roam the country, accuse the new president of malfeasance in office and continue to make money off of speaking fees and Halliburton stock options . . . then I think Vick has every right to pursue what he does best.
In fact, he has more of a right than Dick Cheney and his Charley McCarthy because at least he's done his time.

jkolchins34 Author Profile Page :

If the NFL was sincere in their condemnation of Vick's crimes, then they would ban him from playing football. A suspension is pure hyposcrisy. The League should either let him play unconditionally or ban him for life. Do suspend him for any length of time is an empty gesture.

fleurindc Author Profile Page :

Sarcastically speaking, if Vick does get picked up by a team, how ironic would it be if the team was the Cleveland Browns. Personally, I think he should go flip burgers. In a couple years, his 23 month sentence will seem like a slap on the wrist since he will be making millions again. Look past the talent and punish this guy for what he did to those poor dogs. Not only will it teach Vick a lesson, it will teach the kids of today the lesson of paying the consequences for one's actions.

jmccas Author Profile Page :

If the NFL thinks they have more to gain than to lose by letting Vick play, then he'll play.

I would ban him because I think the NFL has more to lose letting him play.

He has been punished by the state, and thus Society, for his crime, I would not presume to add or detract from that. I would look at it as a business decision, and keeping him seems to be a bad business decision.

drrob4life Author Profile Page :

i feel that the appropriate action to be taken would be to simply boycott any team that would sign michael vick. how could anyone go out and cheer someone who would torture an animal? by cheering, one would be condoning his horrible deeds.

AmzgGrce Author Profile Page :

As forgiving as we may want to be... Mr Vick's crimes and his behavior before his conviction warrant at least a 2 year suspension for him to 'prove himself' Let him coach, or do other work but frankly, he has to earn the trust of the people now. Had he owned up when caught fine but he fought that conviction until it was clear that he was going down. There was never any real question about his guilt, it was only a matter of what crimes he would actually be convicted of committing.

That said any team that plays him this year deserves a revolt by the fans. Of course if the fans support him this year it will only prove that to the American public (at least in that city) winning is all that matters and honor and decency mean nothing.

So go ahead NFL clear him to play and it will tell the rest of us what matters to you.

ddy19spider57 Author Profile Page :

the man has paid his debt to the world, let him play.

worgadd1 Author Profile Page :

To all of you folks who think that Vick should suffer in perpetuity, would you please step back and gain a little perspective. While, what he was involved in was heinous. He has been convicted, reviled and lost his freedom while serving his sentence. In effect he has already been suspended and fined many millions of dollars.

I fine it hard to fathom that so many people are so perfect that they can reconcile in their minds that this man should never be given a second chance. If he repeats this crime, then and only then, could a lifetime ban and punishment be seen as commensurate.

jro_nyc Author Profile Page :

Why do I get the feeling that if Vick's crime had been dumping his 16-year old girlfriend's newborn in a dumpster, most, if not all, of the people "disgusted and appalled" by his actions would suddenly feel compassion for his plight? The vitriol from college-educated white people directed towards Vick is disturbing.

micbul10 Author Profile Page :

I think people should really get a grip, this man should have never been locked up in the first place, its not as if he rapped or killed someone. People have been fighting animals since time and memorial for sport and game. Some of us treat animals better than human beings. I think he has paid a heavy price and his debt to society. Everyone deserve a second chance,he needs to be able to make a living. People should focus their time and energy on the real issues that impact our world, dog fighting shouldn't be high on that list.

w4vr Author Profile Page :

Let him play for the Washington Redskins...they need a new quarterback more than any other team in the league!

micbul10 Author Profile Page :

I think people should really get a grip, this man should have never been locked up in the first place, its not as if he rapped or killed someone. People have been fighting animals since time and memorial for sport and game. Some of us treat animals better than human beings. I think he has paid a heavy price and his debt to society. Everyone deserve a second chance,he needs to be able to make a living. People should focus their time and energy on the real issues that impact our world, dog fighting shouldn't be high on that list.

EdgewoodVA Author Profile Page :

"If Vick was a doctor he could still practice medicine." No way--he deliberately recruited and paid others to torture and kill numerous animals just because he couldn't make enough money off of them, and engaged in some of it himself, too. Then, as others have pointed out, he lied about it under oath. THERE'S NO WAY a doctor--or even a vet--would get away with this. They'd lose their license in the blink of an eye, and no medical board would give it back, even after time served.

"He is no role model - he is a football player" is also B.S.--any successful professional athlete knows he/she is going to gain power and fame, and if the NFL wants to keep any dignity and respect, Goodell should put heavy weight on this. Just because Vick was making millions of dollars to play a GAME (one that we have always loved, BTW) doesn't excuse him from what he's done--legal punishment or not. Most employers would not likely take someone like him back--a legal record as bad as Vick's might keep him from even being hired in the first place. Athletes, no matter how talented, make WAY too much to excuse themselves from illegal and brutal behavior. (Drugs, illegal gun-toting, and physical abuse of others included.) Lots of athletes consider getting paid to do what they love a privilege.

My husband and I are sure there are some owners out there who will gladly put their consciences aside to make a buck off a player as talented as Vick, and plenty of fans who'll shell out to watch him play. Does that make it right for Goodell let him back in? No.

"The man has received arguably one of the totally unjustified sentence(s). You people have gotten your pound of flesh." No, Vick got his sentence lightened and served some of it at home. He SAID he was sorry, but anyone who's been watching this story from day one knows he's probably just sorry that he got caught.

"Let the man get on with his life." Okay, yes, absolutely. He's gotten himself into serious debt all of his own doing, he's screwed up his reputation as a decent human being, and he's served time in prison. Let him try to repair his life from the ground up, just like anyone else. It's not the NFL's job to take pity on him.

My husband and I have looked at this issue from many different angles. We're enormous life-long football fans and reasonable people--NOT extremists--who consider cruelty to man's oldest and most loyal animal companions utterly unnecessary, at the least. (At one point, Vick even tried to defend his cruelty by saying dog-fighting is just "a Virginia tradition!!") We are Virginia natives and graduates of Virginia Tech. Regardless of the fact that Vick served his sentence and that he's a phenomenal football player, he's an enormous embarrassment to us all. It's a little hard for us to say this because we care about his fate as much as anyone else's, but the man has no business returning to the game.

btdrinks1 Author Profile Page :

Seriously? Why are we even debating this issue? He did the time for the crime and should be given a second chance. People take a look at all needy children in this world and be as loving and giving as you are to animals. Makes me really wonder where society is heading.

MrM1 Author Profile Page :

Professional athletes are role models for many, especially for children. They must therefore be held to a higher standard of conduct in order to set a proper example for those who would emulate them. Vick should never play professional sports again, whether or not he eventually begins to show remorse.

EdgewoodVA Author Profile Page :

BTDRINKS1:

Do you honestly think, even for one micro-second, that people who care about the well-being of animals care less about human beings? Get a grip.

On another (lesser) note to many others posting here: get a dictionary and a grammar textbook!

ccdod Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick has paid his penance in accordance of our judicial law; we are a cowardly society that continue to kick a man when he is down. We are all given second, third, forth, and on, and on chances. Allow him to move on with his life.

Feed the hungry, find a cure, save the planet, befriend the needy, love your child, do unto others as you have them do unto you ... move on with your life and allow Michael Vick to move on with his. There is so much in this life, on this earth, still left to embrace with a good heart. Fine it!!

cgriesba Author Profile Page :

He served his jail sentence. That's all that should matter. Everyone deserves a second chance and a third and a... as long as they've paid their debt to society. He has paid his.

Before calling for his ostricization from the NFL or any other job, just think about any time you or someone you know committed a crime, whether you were caught or not. We're human, we make mistakes; as someone better than I once said, the true test of a person is not in never falling down, but in getting up each time you fall.

Give the man an opportunity to redeem himself.

chuckv Author Profile Page :

Given that there are men playing in the NFL after killing human beings while driving under the influence of alcohol, it is hard to see why Vick should not be permitted to play.

But I would not hire him. He is a man who will lie to your face, he has a disregard for the suffering of animals, which probably says something about his feelings for humans, and he was dumb enough to fail a drug test while waiting for sentencing.

lindy47 Author Profile Page :

I think he should be banned for life. Yes, he did his time for the dog fighting/animal abuse, so that's not my reasoning.

If you read the NFL Code of Moral Conduct, it says that they have no tolerance for gambling & that a single infraction is enough to get a severe penalty, including being banned. Vick outright admitted in court that he financed the illegal gambling ring that went along with the animal abuse/dog fighting.

Couple that with the various other infractions he's had over the years (he's been a "problem child" since before joining the NFL), and there's really only one question for Godell:

Is the code of conduct for real or is it only worth the piece of paper it's written on?

Anything less than a lifetime ban & we'll know the answer to that question.

dubya19391 Author Profile Page :

Look, the guy killed some dogs, and was involved with dogfighting. Get a grip.

It wasn't like he tortured them for fun. It wasn't like he's a child-molester, or a sex-pervert, or a tax-evader or whatever. Get a grip on yourselves.

He's a professional football player, that's how he earns his living. Now...unless you want to ban people from earning their living and force them to scrape along at the bottom of the social ladder for any crime that they commit? Get off his case.

He's done freaking 18 months in a federal pen. I think that he's entitled to earn a few million running around a football field in front of 75,000 drunk, screaming idiots getting smashed up by 250 pound linebackers. Let him have at it.

Or wait, you think that you're too good for that? That a man like Vick shouldn't sully your sport, your stadium, your dreams, your fantasies? Get a grip on yourselves!

GaryMurray2 Author Profile Page :

I've had 2 dogs in my life and I loved them and one more thing I'm not a Vick fan but come on . . . the guy paid for the crime.

jjedif Author Profile Page :

I agree with Panama Jack; one strike and you're out.

Vick is so stupid that even as he was making millions by throwing a football (which in itself is pretty pathetic), he choose to cruelly and stupidly brutalize dogs. No Whoopi Goldberg, brutalizing dogs is not a cherished tradition in black America, it's the "sport" of outlaws.

But since most sport fans are more like Vick mentally then they are different, I know that most sport fans will support Vick, which is also pathetic.

laurelphoto Author Profile Page :

Vick wasn't that good when he was playing. And he has been out for two years plus. Two Drafts Plus. So there is a lot of younger talent alredy on teams, in shape, and up to speed. Punishment aside, who needs him. And if Commissioner Goodell wants to allow Vick to Play, what example is he setting for the league?

indydiaz Author Profile Page :

I would not hired him any more in the NFL.
I would put him to work on the Humane society cleaning after the dogs.

frieda406 Author Profile Page :

playing football is not a right. it's a privilege. what he's done should result in his not being able to play football. is that the kind of person the nfl wants as one of its representatives? this isn't an issue of forgiveness or he's served his time. those are separate, distinct matters. the question is should he be allowed to play football in the nfl. no.

laura110 Author Profile Page :

I am a dog lover and always have been, but in my mind, Vick has served his time and deserves to be back in the NFL. It it after all the NFL; he's not a representative of Amnesty International. Let him play.

qqbDEyZW Author Profile Page :

Look as the GOP and many Americans feel a black person should be glad they can live in America. The KKK and Republican Leader Rush Limbaugh feel all Blacks should work for nothing just to entertain Whites. Now Vick should work for no pay because he committed a crime against dogs. That crime is much higher then any crime committed by a White person. We saw a man kill a doctor and other kill a police officer and their crimes aren't a serious as Vick. Even President Obama should work 24/7 to repair the US Economy and then step down so McCain/Palin can take over. As it stands all Blacks and Minorities should know they place in America and we should only have Whites to hold jobs, as before blacks/minorities should be grateful America allows them to live here. More blacks/minorities should service in the Military so Whites can live. As the GOP said let the South rise Again.

perfgeek Author Profile Page :

The National Football League should deal with Mr. Vick the way Major League Baseball dealt with Pete Rose.

rodneyj222 Author Profile Page :

If he can make a team's roster then Vick should have the opportunity to play.

mayoungkin Author Profile Page :

Vick has already served a two-year suspension. The punishment already greatly exceeds the crime. He should be welcomed back to any team that believes he can help them, with no restrictions. Goodell should not let PETA influence him at all.

Whether that team is out there or not is a separate issue.

lakeijoy Author Profile Page :

I have been a huge NFL fan but Vick should never be allowed to play for the NFL and why people minimize what he does truly shocks me. What those animals suffered is horrific. He is truly lucky that animal welfare laws are so weak that he served so little time. He does not deserve to play in the NFL and if the NFL lets him play it will be a HUGE MISTAKE, there is NO EXCUSE for what he did - tough childhood, bad friends etc - a lot of people have had those issues to deal with. He was a grown man and had the privilege of playing for the NFL. He should devote the rest of his life to non profit work.

lakeijoy Author Profile Page :

I have been a huge NFL fan but Vick should never be allowed to play for the NFL and why people minimize what he did truly shocks me. What those animals suffered is horrific. He is truly lucky that animal welfare laws are so weak that he served so little time. He does not deserve to play in the NFL and if the NFL lets him play it will be a HUGE MISTAKE, there is NO EXCUSE for what he did - tough childhood, bad friends etc - a lot of people have had those issues to deal with. He was a grown man and had the privilege of playing for the NFL. He should devote the rest of his life to non profit work.

Karmicquickdraw Author Profile Page :

The memories I have of sports figures as I was growing up was of men, mostly, who were quietly masculine, humble, real, accomplished athletes.

The memories I will have of sports figures from these days are whore-poppin', dog killing, drug shooting, arrogant, lab rats who drape themselves with bling and Escalades. Scamming losers with no talent.

Michael Vicks, to me, represents all that is wrong with professional sports. If I were king of the sports world, I would say, "Here's the example of what not to become, kids. Here's the worst of the worst and the worst kind of human you can ever be. As long as I'm king this man will not even be allowed into a stadium even just to watch a sporting event."

Slime,scum,abusers,addicts,murderers,
rapists -- these are the pro-athletes of today.

The Mickey Mantles, the Roger Marrises, the Willie Mayses -- gone and, oh so, forgotten.

Jeannejhjluv-2write Author Profile Page :

Sorry, I for one would NOT go see him
play anything, even tiddly-winks. There
is a mean streak in him that may take years
to for him to change, if ever.

vldz Author Profile Page :

Look, the man broke the law; he was tried and punished. He did his time, let him earn a living with the talent God gave him and the skills he has honed. What would you have him do, sack groceries? I believe he deserves another chance. As far as the NFL is concerned, there should be no suspension, his transgression was not against the National Football League. -JV

keithlb28 Author Profile Page :

First of all let me make one thing clear.
I deplore animal torture, especially for the amusement of the handler.
I think that two wrongs don't equal a right.
Vick is loathed by many and rightfully so.
But he is also still followed by many, who may not think dog fighting is such a big deal.
If Mississippi native Bret Favre was involved in dog fighting would we be so angry about the possible return of Favre to the NFL?
Dog Fighting was not invented by Micheal Vick.
In fact, I heard a bunch of Texas oil men talking about it somewhat favorably the other day. I guess what I'm trying to say, is if a man is punished for crimes committed and pays his dues to society, he should be given a chance to make amends. I will not feel sorry for him if he is banned but I don't feel as if it is the NFL's duty to punish him again for the same offense.

keithlb28 Author Profile Page :

I meant to say "Louisiana native"...

mbernd Author Profile Page :

Ban him for life. He did not just kill dogs. He hung them up on chains, tortured and beat them to death. People who say he paid for his "mistake" do not recognize the brutality and premeditation associated with Vick's crimes. As far as his right or need to earn a living. He can have an ordinary job like the rest of us working stiffs.

chuckcoley Author Profile Page :

What I hope for is that an opposing defensive player ends Vicks "career" and the sorry SOB regrets he ever came back.

intrends@hotmail.com Author Profile Page :

This is silly. Vick has served his time and paid his debt to society. He deserves a second change just like anyone else that may have done wrong. Why are people placing less value on human life?

surlydoc Author Profile Page :

TO MICBUL10 & DUBYA 19390:

i'd like to get a "grip" right around both of your necks. and i'd like to keep that "grip" until both sets of eyes pop out.

how's that for getting a grip.

shipfreakbo214 Author Profile Page :

If I had my way he would still be in jail, case closed.

shipfreakbo214 Author Profile Page :

He is a felon, nice role model for kids.

lkbri7 Author Profile Page :

I would prefer that Mr. Vick never play again, contrary to the misspelled arguments posted here. I would feel exactly the same about a person of any color who felt it appropriate to torture animals in any way for "sport". whether such activities are deemed legal or not. However, if he does play again, it seems only reasonable to me that his enormous financial compensation, far in excess of what most of us will ever earn in our lives (which has has been mentioned many times here also) be given directly to animal protection organizations. Let him keep perhaps 10% (which would support me quite royally). Thus, if he plays, at least some other creatures in true need will be helped. I see no reason why Mr. Vick, or any convicted felon, has a "right" to lavish salaries and lifestyles when clearly that is not enough to keep such persons from perpetrating true and lasting harm on innocent and unprotected others.

kkrimmer Author Profile Page :

Whatever Goodell decides is what people should live with. He's intelligent and sensitive to the issue. If Vick demonstrates his remorse (and should do so on Letterman and Conan for the public) then I see no reason why he shouldn't play again.

To condemn someone because of a mistake is a mistake, but to forgive someone who has not changed is also a mistake.

bendan2000 Author Profile Page :

SURLYDOC, big talk from a fat old man. You probably get out of breath wiping your fat @ss.

rbg3 Author Profile Page :

4-6 games is a joke. The NFL should take a stand and not condone crimes committed by any of its players.

reverett1 Author Profile Page :

He served his time. Now he should be allowed to pursue his profession. Continued punishment is injustice and vengeance.

augustiswest Author Profile Page :

His crimes were the worst kind. Hurting and killing dogs is like crimes against children. They are both innocent, trusting, and depend on us for life. He should never play in the nfl again. I've been a huge pro football fan all my life but I'm considering boycotting it altogether if they allow him to play.

bestbobleonard Author Profile Page :

If he gave 10% of his income to ASPCA, I might think he was a changed person.

MILLER123 Author Profile Page :

We went to war and loss American lives based on false information and you guys are more worried about what should be done to Michael Vick. Somebody exposes a CIA Valarie Plame because they didn't like what her husband said. Risks her life and possibly all the lives that she came in contact with as an agent. We do not no if life was loss. This an act of Treason against the United States of America. And again you give more attention to Michael Vick who serve more jail time than any involved what was mentioned above. I'd say your priorities are out of order.

RichardS5 Author Profile Page :

What Vick did was reprehensible, and the NFL needs to start sending the message that it is not just a collection of thugs. My interest in the NFL has gone way down over the years, mostly because the league seems to tolerate aberrant behavior. As a dog lover, I, for one, will make a note of the sponsors of any games Vick plays in and make every attempt to boycott them. Hopefully it will never get to that point.

NobleDog Author Profile Page :

How about a lifetime band plus 20 years, that should do it!
It is about time that Professional Sports grew a set and cleaned up the "bad actors" in their leagues.
As a felon, he should not be allowed back into the league.
Any team that even considers signing Vick, which, sadly in my opinion, will be allowed to happen, is committing fan suicide is nuts.

MILW Author Profile Page :

Totally agree with nobledog! Vick should be suspended + 20. Period. And, yes, the NFL should take a stand, RBG3 is right. Just what ARE the standards in the NFL? Or should I say, where are they? If that guy plays again anywhere, my love for football will be forever tarnished. Come on Commissioner, show some guts.

spitdog777 Author Profile Page :

Good God, leave this guy alone. He's done his time and it was just dog fighting for gods sake. I dont like dog fighting and I think that anybody who fights dogs are scum but its not something where an individual should lose their ability to make a living. We kill 100's of thousands of animals everyday in this country. get over it. Animals are not as important as people. If they were, they'd have thumbs. Let him play football, he's good at that and like most pro athletes he's entirely too stupid to do anything else.

onestring Author Profile Page :

Instead of glamorizing ghetto violence -which is exactly what dog fighting and animal cruelty are a part of - by letting Vick play, the league should teach youngsters that ghetto minded violence and animal cruelty are beneath the public figure, the role model, and the athletic level, that is required of professional sports figures by banning him.

But they've already sold out to money.

I hope nobody goes to Vick's games.

rotideqmr Author Profile Page :

Send him back to jail.

XeDemDo Author Profile Page :

Most of the posts regarding Michael Vicks like nearly all things in America are racially driven. Michael Phelps, a white athlete was caught smoking pot and posting the picture on the internet, white America yawned and wanted him forgiven. Vicks was caught engaged in dog fighting and the bombastic wing of the talebanised-white america would want him punished for life, even after serving almost 3 years in jail and losing over 100million dollars as punishment!!! When is enough gonna be enough? Those who want Vicks punished for life are a disgrace to humanity !!!

theBozyn Author Profile Page :

What owner in his right mind would want Vick? He's not that good.

jimbojane Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick is a POOR example for kids, who will use him as a role model, and for adults as well. The example he sets is: He is only sorry that he got caught. Where is the remorse? No matter how much remorse and/or punishment he has and will receive, he should never be allowed to play professional sports again. These prima donna's think they are above the law whether it is DUI, rape, etc, etc, etc. I am just a poor old retired civil servant and if I had done any of this, they would have thrown away the key. Why not Vick?
Make an example out of him for the young folks that says, "Don't screw up the chance you have to make something out of yourself by doing something stupid and/or illegal."

fudador Author Profile Page :

Have him clean the NFL stadium restrooms for the rest of his NFL career.

HarrySutton Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick should still be in jail. He should never be allowed to play in the NFL again. The brutal cruelty this individual displayed towards animals was beyond the worst nightmare of any decent person. Shame on the NFL if it even considers allowing this depraved individual to represent it on the playing field ever again!

fudador Author Profile Page :

Most employers do not hire convicted felons. Why should the NFL?

goodeedward Author Profile Page :

Vick has already paid a heavy price for his crime.Why does Goodell think he has to add to what Vick has already paid?Ricky Williams got a yr for pot but he never spent 2 yrs in jail for smoking weed.

goodeedward Author Profile Page :

Vick has already paid a heavy price for his crime.Why does Goodell think he has to add to what Vick has already paid?Ricky Williams got a yr for pot but he never spent 2 yrs in jail for smoking weed.

goodeedward Author Profile Page :

Vick has already paid a heavy price for his crime.Why does Goodell think he has to add to what Vick has already paid?Ricky Williams got a yr for pot but he never spent 2 yrs in jail for smoking weed.

Peter20 Author Profile Page :

He has served his sentence. Isn't that supposed to clean the slate? Let him play.

goodeedward Author Profile Page :

Vick has already paid a heavy price for his crime.Why does Goodell think he has to add to what Vick has already paid?Ricky Williams got a yr for pot but he never spent 2 yrs in jail for smoking weed.

larla9999 Author Profile Page :

Will someone explain it to me. How is it that Stallworth who took out a human life because of DUI was treated better than Vick who took a dog/s dog life/ves. Don't get me wrong. I have a pet that I love so much. But there is no way I am going to say that my pet's life is greater than a human's life?

helloisanyoneoutthere Author Profile Page :

I don't think Vick should be allowed to play for at least 2 to 3 more seasons.

Let him get back into mainstream life and prove that this crap is over before you allow him to become what a real role model for youth should be.

And that goes for anyone who commits a felony. He may have paid his debt to society, now he needs to pay his debt to his former teammates and fans who helped pay that multi million dollar salary.


myopinion2009 Author Profile Page :

I'm a big Peyton Manning fan, but so help me God, if any team takes Vick and if that team plays the Colts, I won't be there. The NFL needs to concentrate on finding good players that have integrity. Vick shouldn't be allowed to even TOUCH a football, much less play in the NFL.

philasportsphan Author Profile Page :

He did the crime. He did the time. He's been punished beyond anything any athlete has experienced who hasn't killed a human being. He should be allowed to do whatever he wants with regard to his employment.

XeDemDo Author Profile Page :

How many years did Larry Craig the republican Senator for Idaho get for pleading guilty to the crime of soliciting sodomy in a public toilet? How many ??? You Hypocrits would you answer me? He is still in the Senate being paid by American tax payers !!! How many years should GWB get for killing over 100,000 Iragi civilians in a fake war ???

LMF1 Author Profile Page :

I think he should be suspended for at least this upcoming season. I don't think he should be allowed to walk from jail/house arrest to training camp. I'm not sure he should be suspended indefinitely, but make him sit out this season at least.

bjpolo Author Profile Page :

I think he should be allowed to play. Our justice system has convicted and punished him. He has also been punished in the court of public opinion, depleted his fortune defending himself, lost prime earning years in a very specialized profession which he likely will never be able to make up, and may not get hired by an NFL team anyway. No one has to support a team who hires him, or watch their games. I love dogs like many other commenters, but all the animosity toward Vick seems pretty violent too.

pcc7407 Author Profile Page :

Any team that takes him will have nothing but heaps of trouble. Any owner that hires him is lowlife. Yes he should eventually be forgiven, but the kind of role model that kids need - Not Hardly!

travelc2c Author Profile Page :

Let him play if 98% of his gross income from sports, endorsements and any association to sport is given directly to the ASPCA. The team owner should also contribute an extra 100K each year to the ASPCA. also any company that benefits from his presence should pay the ASPCA 60% of what ever they gross from the association. He will be pulling in a lot of money for the team he plays for because people will want to see some one who could be so cruel as he is a complete sideshow to the sport. And lastly every revenue producing effort needs to be matched by a PSA.

deathtoislam Author Profile Page :

Hopefully we've learned our lesson with OJ. He got away with murder because he was a black celebrity. We must not repeat that mistake. The entire NFL must be made to suffer if the dog murderer is allowed to play again.

gilliam Author Profile Page :

I say give him a chance to prove himself.Have him tie 10 T bone steaks to his body then go in a dog pit with 5 pit bulls.if he still has his swagger after a 20 minute match let him play.

gilliam Author Profile Page :

I say give him a chance to prove himself.Have him tie 10 T bone steaks to his body then go in a dog pit with 5 pit bulls.if he still has his swagger after a 20 minute match let him play.

jlhare1 Author Profile Page :

Those of you saying that Vick should be reinstated because he's paid his debt to society should ask yourselves a simple question: Would your boss take you back after you committed a felony and served your time? I've worked in many places, but never one like that. In fact, the only one like that I can think of is the NFL.

ifordc Author Profile Page :

What to do with Vick? That's a easy answer "Let Him Play!" Makes no sense if a player drives a car and kills someone and they get that tap on the hand! People are making so much of Vick's problem that its unbelievable! If Goodell drags this out then he should be replaced ASAP! Murder of dogs can never out way the murder of a human being! To Hell with PETA!!!!!!!!!!

MILW Author Profile Page :

Goodell has a chance to show his NFL players that he means business and will not tolerate hateful behavior. We don't need people like Vick in any kind of leadership role. DO NOT reinstate him. Show some character Goodell, show some character.

ppsuperfoot Author Profile Page :

To all readers, but especially to Clinton Portis/DaveQU:

I don't know if he tortures and beats his kids...but it's his property, it's his house...does that also work for you? With moronic statements that dog fighting is 'not too bad a crime', do you understand, or are you intelligent enough to understand, that he TORTURED the animals, electrocuted, drowned and hanged animals...how far is he from transfering this violence to humans? Stats bear that one out...he is a human being who had no conscience until forced to find one. Boycott anything he touches and perhaps people around the world will start to respect Americans and their standards again.

burro2 Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick is about as "contrite" as Bill Clinton was when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman"
I think that Roger "The Wimp" Goodell should let Vick rejoin the National Felons League immediately with the one stipulation being that after the first game he loses he will be buried waist deep at the fifty yard line and doused with bacon grease as 250 starved Pit Bulls are released from each end zone. Now who wouldn't pay $500.00 per game for the chance to witness that OVERTIME!

burro2 Author Profile Page :

SPITDOG777 is about as intelligent as your basic Neanderthal.
Commenting that dogs are not as valuable as humans because they don't have a thumb is typical of someone who quite obviously drags his on the ground when he walks!

cassellagm Author Profile Page :

He has demonstrated he thinks he is better than the law because he was a football quarteback. Too much money, little brains, add up to a jerk without morals. He should not be allowed to play again. That goes for any "football hero" who gets in trouble and is convicted for any illegal activity. Even if it "only one time". I enjoy professional football as much as the next fan. These guys are people our kids seek to emulate. Let them live up to the upstanding expectations of heroes. Don't give them "you were naughty, here is another million bucks, heh, heh".

 
 
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