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Will Dungy Help Vick?

Does having Tony Dungy in his corner change how you view Michael Vick?

Posted by Emil Steiner on August 11, 2009 6:52 AM
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barbaralucas1 Author Profile Page :

I think Michael VIck should get another chance. He did wrong and accepted thepunishment for his bad behaviour like a man. he didn't stand there in front of the judge and whine an cry and point fingers. He looked the world in the eye and said yes I did it, yes I will accept the disgrace and punishment that comes with it. He did his time and pennance and we owe him the benefit of the doubt. Like my grandmother used to say "people who livein glass houses shouldn't throw rocks"!

ozpunk Author Profile Page :

This is as much a benefit for Dungy as it is for Vick, the ex-coach has been mentoring young men in jail for a while now and I guess he still wants to start a prison ministry, he almost left football to do that a while back. Vick could be a big name success story that could help launch his mentoring work further with new clients, more donations, etc.

nroman26 Author Profile Page :

First and foremost one must understand the resilience and Faith Tony Dungy possesses before commenting on Michael Vick. Tony Dungy has not only counseled and inspired young people, but lost his son in an untimely death. A son who he had helped mold into a promising young man attending the University of South Florida. His Familial faith in god allowed him to overcome the trials and tribulations a parent faces when losing so close a loved one. More importantly, every NFL member (player or ownership) love and respect him for his sacrifices for the sport and faith in his players. Understandably, Tony Dungy's love and compassion for his fellow being is an inspiration and testament to the nature of his soul. If he believes Michael Vick the person is befitting a second chance, then I wholeheartedly support is endeavor and fellowship. Good luck and God Bless in your journey.
Let any person who has not sinned cast the first stone.

niceshoes1 Author Profile Page :

I doubt it. The Falcons owner tried to have a close relationship with Vick. Vick said all the right things, than went home and did what he pleased.

Same thing will happen here - Vick will go through the motions to please the powers that be, but he'll resort to being Michael Vick in the off hours. He certainly won't go back to dog fighting, but he won't be studying the bible or solving world peace either.

He'll probably hang out with the same people that got him in the mess in the first place. 30% chance he gets arrested (not necessarily convicted) on some minor crime - marijuana possession, dui, tangentially involved in a fight at a night club, etc.


dolph924 Author Profile Page :

No way. He will never outlive the stigma of what he did -- any more than would a child molester. I have a sweet-natured pit bull who was once used as a "bait dog" by the likes of Michael Vick. That means they filed down his teeth and let the fighting dogs practice on him. Had he not escaped, he likely would soon have been killed. I think the "fitting" punishment for Vick wasn't jail time -- he should have had his face and genitals smeared in liverwurst and then been tossed in a ring with angry, hungry pit bulls. Short of that, and now that he has served his jail time, public shunning for the rest of his life seems about right, whether Tony Dungy soils his good reputation by taking him on as a client or not.

arrabbiato Author Profile Page :

OF COURSE HE'LL HELP VICK! WHAT ARE YOU NUTS? DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT HE DID FOR A DEMORALIZED PEYTON MANNING AND THE COLTS, MANNING, WHO HAD TO PUT UP THAT UTTERLY INCOMPETENT A-HOLE JIM MORA, WHO PUBLICLY DISSED PEYTON AND THE TEAM? SHEESH!

TONY DUNGY IS A MAN OF FAITH-A GOOD MAN. LIKE MOST BLACK FOLK, (AND UNLIKE MOST WHITE FOLK-AND NOBODY WHITER THAN THE MILITANT PETA-ISTS!), DUNGY BELIEVES IN THE POWER OF REDEMPTION-VICK HAS ABSOLUTELY PAID HIS DUES-AND HE'S NO A-HOLE, NOTHING EVEN APPORACHING THE THUGNESS IVERSON-DUNGY SEES IN VICK SOMEONE WHOM HE CAN MENTOR AND HELP HIM SUCCEED ONCE AGAIN-A CHANCE TO DO FOR VICKS WHAT HE COULD NOT DO FOR HIS POOR SON, WHO COMMITTED SUICIDE AT 18 YEARS OLD.

AND DUNGY WILL DO IT- HE WILL DO GOOD THINGS FOR VICK-OF THIS I AM QUITE SURE.

AND THE PETA-PI SS-ANTS CAN GO TO HELL.

arrabbiato Author Profile Page :

OF COURSE HE'LL HELP VICK! WHAT ARE YOU NUTS? DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT HE DID FOR A DEMORALIZED PEYTON MANNING AND THE COLTS, MANNING, WHO HAD TO PUT UP THAT UTTERLY INCOMPETENT A-HOLE JIM MORA, WHO PUBLICLY DISSED PEYTON AND THE TEAM? SHEESH!

TONY DUNGY IS A MAN OF FAITH-A GOOD MAN. LIKE MOST BLACK FOLK, (AND UNLIKE MOST WHITE FOLK-AND NOBODY WHITER THAN THE MILITANT PETA-ISTS!), DUNGY BELIEVES IN THE POWER OF REDEMPTION-VICK HAS ABSOLUTELY PAID HIS DUES-AND HE'S NO A-HOLE, NOTHING EVEN APPORACHING THE THUGNESS IVERSON-DUNGY SEES IN VICK SOMEONE WHOM HE CAN MENTOR AND HELP HIM SUCCEED ONCE AGAIN-A CHANCE TO DO FOR VICKS WHAT HE COULD NOT DO FOR HIS POOR SON, WHO COMMITTED SUICIDE AT 18 YEARS OLD.

AND DUNGY WILL DO IT- HE WILL DO GOOD THINGS FOR VICK-OF THIS I AM QUITE SURE.

AND THE PETA-PI SS-ANTS CAN GO TO HELL.

epinchicago Author Profile Page :

Without question, Tony Dungy strengthens Vick's image. I say this based on my own perception of Vick, which changed substantially when I heard that Dungy is mentoring him. Few people are as respected in or out of the NFL as Tony Dungy - being in Vick's inner circle will have a significant impact and will encourage people to give Vick a chance to prove he's changed and that he's serious about living a different life post-prison.

cece3 Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick has committed a crime and he has served the time. He should be allowed to continue pursuing his career. He, who has never committed a sin, should indeed, cast the first stone.

dgh2028 Author Profile Page :

It is a shame that we are willing to lump such amnesty on this particular felon because he can toss a pigskin, yet so many felons are basically unemployable--especially black ex-convicts--because of perceptions. Somehow their debts are never paid.

The NFL, however, is based solely in perceptions. Unlike the NBA, the NFL has worked diligently to keep their players at a higher moral standard. Sure, Vick might have paid his debt to society--or--he earned his thuggery in an 18 month sentence and is still a millionaire at days' end. The NFL has a brand to defned too, and if they are a family brand, then having a dog murderer on a team just isn't that wholesome. We all make choices, and sometimes those choices affect the rest of your life.

Second chances seem to be reserved for the talented, and well, that is the real crime here.

westcan Author Profile Page :

He did wrong and accepted thepunishment for his bad behaviour like a man. he didn't stand there in front of the judge and whine an cry and point fingers
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He didn't have any CHOICE! He was caught!

westcan Author Profile Page :

Dungy should have done his mentoring quietly and discreetly. This makes it look like a Dungy publicity event. As far as I am concerned, the Vick slime is going to rub off on Dungy's reputation.

theo1 Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick is what he is, a vicious thug.

blackmask Author Profile Page :

Dungy is just sad he blew it with his own son, too involved in God's work (the NFL, sheesh) to save his own sone. Sad truly sad to see him try to save someone now. Sheesh.

MartinZook Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick's problem is that he's Michael Vick.

kathymac1 Author Profile Page :

Don't care one way or the other, the only question is will he generate fantasy points?

To the majority of people, football is a rip off, players move from team to team, owners gouge fans, this is why people are giving season tickets in droves

Football is now another form of gambling and the players just pieces. You get your fantasy team, sit home and watch a game on tv and your fantasy team on the computer. Who really cares about the players? They have their millions to keep them happy and we get our fantasy football.

LouisianaVirginian Author Profile Page :

Mr. Dungy's entry into the Michael Vick drama will not change a thing. Vick was,is, and will be a gangster thug who tries to live by his own set of rules...not the rules we by which we all must live. This is a man who thought it perfectly acceptable to enlist a gang of street trash to join him in his cruel, lethal and sadistic venture into dog fighting. Why would he do this...his football and endorsement income exceeded a million dollars per week, yet he chose to hang out with unemployed street druggies and school drop-out urban trash to engage in recreational dog killing, some of the dogs were stolen family pets...just to be seen as Mr. Big in the eyes of coked-up dog fighters from the Tidewater gangs. Neither Mr. Dungy nor the vaunted NFL can purge this reality from Mr. Vick. By allowing Mr. Vick a return to the NFL, we will no doubt send a loud and clear message of tolerance for dog fighting. And a greater tolerance for dog fighting will no doubt result in more deaths from vicious dogs...like that terrible incident in Leesburg, Virginia a few days ago. It's really quite simple...tolerate the dog fighter and you tolerate the fighting dog...a dog which may kill someone completely unrelated to the cruel "sport." Let us rid our nation of the excesses of millionaire athletes exhibited by the over-coddled Mr. Vick. Role model??? Not. Rehabilitated??? Not. Paid his debt to society??? Not.

PJTramdack Author Profile Page :

I think the NFL is broad-minded enough to accept back into the fold drug users, wife beaters, rapists, armed robbers, murderers and other such psychopaths. But a DOG KILLER? Are you kidding me? Michael would have to be crazy to go out on a field full of dog-loving NFL players. If he is dumb enough to do it, I predict his career will be measured in minutes before somebody crushes his knee or some other vital part.

mightysparrow Author Profile Page :

Not at all helpful to Vick- I used to watch Tony Dungy play for the Minnesota Gophers and followed his career in football and coaching. However, the fact is that Dungy is a gay-hating bigot. That's not such a good endorsement for Vick.

bikeman2 Author Profile Page :

Dungy or no-Dungy, Vic will play!
This is still America, land of the greed and home of the money god, where Vicks kill dogs and carry guns. Where else can he make millions and have zero education and zero socialization? Maybe he could drive Toyotas in a Mexican drug cartel. Naw, this is the place for someone like Vick. All his predatory handlers will guide him until they have drained the media money from his brutal talent..

merrill1 Author Profile Page :

Won't change how I view Vick, will change how I view Dungy. But they are betting their money that I am in the minority.

unclelinwood Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick, as with most people should be given a second chance. I'm a dog owner myself and I don't condone what he did, but given the chance he will either sink or swim. don't hate he did serve his time and earned the opportunity to change his life. If you respect Tony Dungy, you should also respect his decision to assist this young man

HATETHEGAME54 Author Profile Page :

With Dungy in his corner it does make Vick look alot better. I believe society will look at him in a much better manner being as though what Dungy stands for.

taseman Author Profile Page :

Even though he "paid his debt to society," a cliche which means he had a minor slap on the hands given our weak laws, I do not feel he should be given the privilege of playing professional football and earning those huge salaries. The thought of Vick living in luxury makes me sick. He killed innocent dogs and degraded all of society, all of us, and deserves considerably more punishment than he got.

swanieaz Author Profile Page :

Two comments say it better than I have seen written in ANY comment to this story:

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - Gandhi

"If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men..." - St. Francis of Assisi

Finally, you can guarantee that PETA, maybe the ASPCA, and certainly dog lovers will be at EVERY BALL PARK where Vick plays - if he plays.

He is not repentant, and is a HORRIBLE human being for the mayhem he caused to his animals for over SIX YEARS.

I hope he NEVER plays in the NFL again, and if he does, I will be the first to participate in any protest.

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shocking Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick was a very wealthy and successful NFL player that chose to kill and torture innocent dogs in dog fights, rather than use his fame for good. Period. Dogs that did not fight were killed. Period.

He showed NO MERCY as he tortured and killed man's best friends, WHY SHOULD HE BE GIVEN MERCY WHEN HE GAVE NO SUCH MERCY TO THESE INNCOCENT AND BEAUTIFUL CREATURES THAT HURT NO ONE?


Do I need to post the graphic images and video on here? He is a cold-blooded criminal. He would not have stopped killing and torturing dogs if he was not caught.

People need to stop defending people that kill. Wait until it's your family member or family pet that's killed and see how you react.

My husband and I have a dog who has enormously enriched our life, through many bad times. If anyone tried to torture her, they would beg for forgiveness and mercy from us.

Michael did not live in the projects, he was famous and enormously wealthy, had free time, time that he chose to us to kill innocent animals who were helpless and innocent as he tortured and killed them. They also watched as he tortured and killed other dogs, knowing they would be next.

Do not believe the story that he fell into the wrong crowd, or it was part of his culture, etc. That's garbage.

Fiftyeight Author Profile Page :

A dispensation from an pro coach (conflict of interest perhaps?) is supposed to erase the character flaws of a person who tortures animals? I don't think so.

I wouldn't let the Pope get by with it, why a jock/coach??

I shudder to consider that our national ethos has come to this.

Bigrcube Author Profile Page :

I applaud Tony Dungy and laud his efforts toward Michael Vick. Mega-Kudos Tony!! But perhaps Mr. Dungy needs to focus a little differently and have a sit down with the Rev. Jesse Jackson. Sort of a "Come to Jesus" moment if you will.

Since WHEN is the Rev. Jackson an NFL agent and/or NFL talent scout, to assess the existing skills of one Michael Vick, FORMER NFL QB. Vick hasn't taken an NFL game snap for 32 months. YES, he has served his time in prison and paid his debt to society, and NFL Commish Roger Goodell has reinstated him. But for Rev. Jackson to ACCUSE NFL owners of "colluding" against Michael Vick is LUDICROUS. And Rev. Jackson, that's LUDICROUS as in *ABSURD* and not "Ludacris" the hip-hop rapper sensation!

It is the NFL owners who will have to $PAY$ Michael Vick IF one of them were to take a flyer on him. And NO doubt as a backup.
NOT you, Rev.!!

Even WITHOUT the conditions of reinstatement that commish Roger Goodell has attached, Vick has LOST nearly three years in his PRIME. To some, THAT is a near "death sentence" to a professional athlete and even MORE SO to an NFL QB. Even IF he were to be able to join any training camp now and start all pre-season games as well as on day one of the regular season, he is STILL a Great Risk & Unknown Quantity!!!

IF Michael Vick is signed, he will most certainly NOT get the $10 million deal (or ANYWHERE near that amount) that he was hoping for, as witness to his bankruptcy court $$ predictions / hopes!
(which the judge dismissed outright!)

Perhaps Rev. Jackson, YOU could help PAY$$ his salary to AUGMENT what he will NOT be getting from the NFL, IF & WHEN he is signed?!?! How about YOU paying his BONUS$$ to sign. I'm sure if you made that offer, it would entice some NFL owner to reluctantly bring Michael Vick into their fold.

Put up or shut up Rev. Jackson! Time to see IF you will put your MONEY$$ where your BIG mouth is, huh?!?!?!

P.S. The only BETTER judge of NFL talent would be our very own local NFL Washington Redskins "Executive VP of Football Operations" Vinny Cerrato, who is defacto GM aide-de-camp to Redksins owner Daniel "Danny Boy" Snyder. Neither of THEM knows his stuff EITHER!!!
ALL 3 of you COMBINED sirs are NO Bobby Bethard!!!

pd2710 Author Profile Page :

The answer to your question is NOOOO!!! Vick may have "paid his debt to society" but that doesn't buy him a soul. Anyone who could do what he did, I maintain, is soulless.
His kind is NOT needed in the NFL where, like it or not, children aspire to be like their favorite players. No more jailbird heros, please!
Dungy should consider spending more time on his own children considering the horrendous difficulties he has experienced in that area. I really fail to see why Dungy is being deifyed (sp) . He couldn't win the big games in Tampa and then he walked into a near perfect situation in Indianapolis, which to his credit, he managed well. That being said, it doesn't qualify him for the near-sainthood that most people want to bestow upon him.

taseman Author Profile Page :

As for myself (and I will encourage others to do the same) if Vick plays I will boycott every product advertised by every company that appears on television or at the stadium. I will not support the NFL in any way, neither by watching the games nor by listening to any television or radio programs related to the NFL. To do what is right in our failing society, I am all too happy to shut down my 40+ years interest in professional football. This season, I'll be outside playing the game with friends, getting good exercise, and later, while tending to those exquisite bruises with ice cold brews, throwing frisbees to our canine friends. Vick and anyone like him are deeply flawed humans who deserve only justice, not privilege.

avbanig Author Profile Page :

I think Dungy is being extremely helpful to Vick. If this is what Rodger Godell and others in the league want to see happen then it needs to happen. It is a good thing that a great man is mentoring a young man who made a serious mistake in his life. Every young man needs a mentor or role model in their life. Most of us have great fathers or uncles or someone in our lives that teach us how to be a man and how to do the right things in life. Dungy can only help in this area because he has been all of the above.

Vick will play again someday. I'm not sure if he will be in the NFL or not this year, but there is a strong possibility he will be because of his talent. If he doesn't get to play in the NFL he can always play in the UFL or spend a year in the CFL to show the NFL organizations that he still has the talent to be an NFL star.

rufusthedog Author Profile Page :

While it is to Mr. Vick's credit that he has served his sentence and is listening to the wise voice of Mr. Dungy, I feel that he should do more publicly to show that he has learned from his horrendous behaviour. Perhaps including some financial support for local SPCA's across the nation as part of any subsequent contract that he signs with an NFL team? Just a thought. It would go a long way with my perception of him as a man. How we treat our animal companions is a good measure of a person.

SCtoDC Author Profile Page :

I think some people on this message board don't know what the meaning of the word "thug" is. Where is there any proof that this man is a "thug". Is it because he had a run in with the law? If that's the case, then half of the people you know are thugs. Yes, what he did was STUPID I totally agree with anyone on that but at the point in time you value animal life more than human life, then maybe it's time for you to move out of your comfortable suburb and move to the wilderness where you can be around the beautiful animals 24/7. If Vick is a thug then what do you call PETA. The people who attack, bully, intimidate innocent Human beings because they choose to wear a particular style of clothing.(sounds like gang members if you ask me). Or the people who bomb abortion clinics.(Terrorists) These are your "thugs", or better yet "terrorists". I don't see anyone boycotting these "Crazies". Face it Mike Vick is going to play in the league again whether you like it or not and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it. So stop waisting your time and energy fighting something that is so unimportant right now compared to all the other things that are happening in this world. OH, and for "Taseman". It's not the thought of Mike Vick living in Luxury that makes you sick. The fact that any black man lives in luxury makes you sick. For all the people who want to boycot the NFL for playing Vick, that's fine and dandy, but you might want to check out these sports and venues also...Bullfighting, Horseracing, cockfighting, the rodeo, the circus, the "Sport" hunters lol give me a break, get real.

dgblues Author Profile Page :

"Does having Tony Dungy in his corner change how you view Michael Vick?"

Hell no! It changes how I view Tony Dungy.

sanfordflg Author Profile Page :

He did the time in jail for his crime. Most everyone who's situation was similar get to start their lives again. this goes for arsonists, bank robbers, thieves, and most other criminals. Why shouldn't Vick be given the same opportunity?

Would I feel different if I loved dogs? I don't love them, but I don't hate them either. I just tolerate them. So. is this outrage coming from dog lovers?

I say: let him play.

taseman Author Profile Page :

To SCTODC: Your bias and ignorance are profound and easy to recognize. You are off the mark, Sir, on all counts, and you represent a small minority in our society. It's not about valuing human life and less than non-human life. It's about cruelty against any living being, and how we are to deal with it. There's another fundamental question I want you to think about. And that is: How do you respond to the suffering of others? From your remarks, you seem to be the kind of person who would answer that question based on racist and speciesist grounds. You are correct in pointing out the the problems of other sports venues that involve cruelty to animals. I have "checked them out" and I also withhold my involvement and support from those sports. I think your nerve may have been struck the hardest by the economic effects of a wide-scale boycott. Who knows, maybe you work for an advertising agency or the NFL. But one thing is clear: If you knew me and were aware of my record of service to the human and non-human members of my community, then you would be filled with remorse for what you have written. I will not judge you, however, but only hope for a day when you emerge from the insecurities that shroud you. Then, perhaps, it is you who will "get real."

johngg49 Author Profile Page :

Having Tony Dungy in Michael's corner would never change my view of Vick. I make up my own mind about these matters. I wish Vick well but I don't want him on my favorite NFL team.

Willmagnus101 Author Profile Page :

I deeply despise Michael Vick. His crime has a lasting impression on me unlike most. I am a dog lover, and I have two in my household.

I deeply admire Tony Dungy. I am not a person of faith. I have a preference for what is known, what can be known, and reason in general. My admiration for Tony Dungy is so deep, that I have zero hesitation giving Michael Vick a chance if Tony Dungy is in his corner. My admiration for Tony Dungy vastly outweighs my disdain for Vick, considerable though it may be.

fizzy1 Author Profile Page :

The fix is in. Dungy will wave his hands and say Jesus a few times and Vick will be healed, but not those unfortunate canines.

EliPeyton Author Profile Page :

I think often of Tony Dungy while watching youth football. I have never understood why the coaches think it is character-building to yank a 7-year-old from the grass by his facemask, scream at him for two minutes from a distance of 4 inches for some capital offense like failing to block a kid bigger than him, and then question his masculinity when the kid starts to sob in front of his teammates. Dungy proved the viking/anglo-saxon/caveman approach is not necessary. Unfortunately, Dungy is in the minority. So we will continue to enjoy the fruits of generations of kids who learn early that in life and in relationships, you win by intimidation and manipulation.
I used to think Vick was overhyped. I will now cheer for him on every play.

arrabbiato Author Profile Page :

HA HA HA! TO TASEMAN-UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN'T SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES-IF YOU THINK IT WILL MAKE A GD BIT OF DIFFERENCE TO DO YOUR LITTLE PRISSY INDIGNANT BOYCOTT OF THE NFL OVER KILLER PIT BULLS-THEN GO RIGHT AHEAD! IT WILL MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERNCE-EVERYONE WILL STILL BE THERE CHEERING IN THE STANDS REGARDLESS OF YOUR EXCESSIVELY WHITEBREAD BOYCOTT.

MICHAEL VICK IS NOT A THUG-THERE ARE PLENTY OF THUGS PLAYING PROFESSIONAL BALL, BUT VICK IS NOT ONE OF THEM-AND AS FOR THOSE PIT BULLS-THERE'S A REASON THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC ZONING LAWS ABOUT KEEPING PIT BULLS SEQUESTERED FROM SOCIETY-THEY MAIM AND KILL BABIES AND PEOPLE AND OTHER DOGS ALL THE TIME-DON'T THEY-I'VE CERTAINLY READ ENOUGH HORRIFYING STORIES ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO OTHER DOGS AND PEOPLE WHEN NOT PROPERLY CONTROLLED-THEY AIN'T EXACTLY COCKER SPANIELS, NOW ARE THEY? PIT BULLS KILL QUITE ON THEIR OWN, AND UNLIKE OTHER DOGS-SO PIT BULLS ENGAGING IN BLOOD SPORT IS NOT AGAINST THEIR GRAIN BY ANY MEANS. AS A RESULT, I DON'T PUT PIT BULLS IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS "DOGS" THEY ARE KILLERS-AND I'D JUST AS SOON AS SEE THE WHOLE BREED PUT DOWN.

BUT AS FOR BLOOD SPORT WITH ANIMALS-WELL IT'S LEGAL ALL OVER THE WORLD, ISN'T IT? INCLUDING HERE IN THE U.S. IT HAS BEEN A PART OF THE WORLD SINCE THERE WERE HUMANS ON THIS PLANET-WHAT VICKS DID WAS WRONG, HE BROKE THE LAW, BUT HE NEVER HARMED ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, WAS NEVER A THUG.

OUR CRIMINAL LAW DOES MAKE A DISTINCTION IN SENTENCING BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO HARM OTHER PEOPLE AND ARE A DANGER TO SOCIETY AND THOSE WHO COMMIT PROPERTY CRIMES-AND VICKS HAS NEVER CRIMINALLY ASSAULTED OR BEEN ACCUSED OF BEING A WIFE/GF BEATER OF ANYONE -HE ALSO IS AN ANIMAL LOVER-YES, AS STRANGE AS THAT CONTRADICTION MAY SEEM, HE HAS HORSES AND PET DOGS-SO HE IS ABSOLUTELY NO THUG-TO COMPARE HIM WITH TRUE THUGS LIKE ALAN IVERSON WHO ALMOST CHOKED HIS COACH TO DEATH-IS JUST WAY WAY RIDICULOUS-I LIKE WHAT I SEE OF VICK'S DEMEANOR-HE HAS TAKEN HIS PUNISHMENT LIKE A MAN-AND NOW HE IS READY TO REENTER SOCIETY AS A PRODUCTIVE MEMBER TO MAKE SPORTS FANS AROUND LEAGUE HAPPY AFTER SERVING HIS TIME.

SO GET OVER IT-VICK HATERS-WE WHO ARE NOT SANCTIMONIOUS AS HELL ABOUT SOMEONE WHO HAS SERVED TIME OR HAS BEEN IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT TONY DUNGY WILL HELP MENTOR VICK, HOPEFULLY TO BE A STAR QB ONCE AGAIN IN THE NFL-WITH OR WITHOUT YOUR LAUGHABLE AND UTTERLY ABSURD "BOYCOTT" OF THE GAME!

Sutter Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick admitted his guilt when there was no other choice. He lied and tried to weasel out of it before that. Took it like a man? He colluded in the torture of innocent animals for sport and money. He's a real man because he admitted guilt when there was no other thing he could do, and when admitting guilt might help him get a lighter sentence? Tony Dungy was a great coach, but is he suddenly an expert on animal cruely? Has he read studies that those who engage in cruelty to ahimals often go on to cruelty towards people, especially women and children? Legally, Vick has the right to earn a living. There is no given right to become rich playing a ball game and certainly no obligation for people to support him.

davidm4 Author Profile Page :

PR Strategy that will work: Michael Vick commits to giving 90% of his first year salary back to the city where he will play. He commits to X number of community service hours in the city in which he will play. He launches a web site and keeps up an active dialogue via Twitter and other technologies with constituents in that city. He allows fans to help shape what that community service will look like through a voting process. He continues the mentoring process with Dungy.

My take is that Michael Vick has played a price. I hope he is given a chance to play in the NFL again. I do think that as a society there needs to be more advocacy for offenders who have done their time. It all seems overblown at this point.

PittAlum Author Profile Page :

Tony Dungy is a class-act. He is to be commended for his mentoring not only to Michael Vick but other individuals along the way. We need more Tony Dungys in this world. As for Michael Vick, he has paid the price for the heinous crime he committed and deserves a second chance just as we all would want if we walked in his shoes.

InRealAmerica Author Profile Page :

Dungy would have an easier time fronting for Jack Kavorkian! Dungy's a straight-up guy and should be lauded for what he's trying to do..but this is the case of sow's ear being fabricated into silk purse.

Personally, I'd like to see Vick play again, with one proviso--the NFL changes it rules to allow opposing defenses to use pit bulls to attack him. He's wearing pads...gives him a better chance than the dogs he killed.

arrabbiato Author Profile Page :

HEY SUTTER-IDIOT-MICHAEL VICK HAS HORSES AND PET DOGS-HE IS NO ANIMAL TORTURER-THERE IS A SPECIFIC CRIME FOR PEOPLE WHO TORTURE ANIMALS-VICK DID NOT DO THAT-HE USED KILLER PIT BULLS TO ENGAGE IN BETTING BLOODSPORT-YOU KNOW, LIKE COCKFIGHTING AND BULLFIGHTING? SAME THING. LIKE WHAT THEY DO LEGALLY THE WORLD OVER-IF YOU WEREN'T SUCH A NUMNUT, THEN YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO WHAT HE WAS CONVICTED FOR-RUNNING AN ILLEGAL GAMBLING ENTERPRISE WITH PIT BULLS.

arrabbiato Author Profile Page :

AT ANY RATE, ALL OF YOU LILY WHITEBREAD (REALLY, REALLY WHITEBREAD-LIKE PETA) OVERLY SANCTIMONIOUS VICK HATERS WILL BE SILENCED AS SOON AS VICK HITS THE STADIUM-YOU'LL HEAR THE LOVE FROM THE CROWD FOR HIM-NOBODY WILL BE PAYING THE VICK HATERS NO NEVERMIND, OF THIS I CAN ASSURE YOU!

David40 Author Profile Page :

The alliance between Dungy and Vick does not raise my opinion of Vick - it lowers my opinion of Dungy. If Vick is to be allowed back in the NFL after running an illegal gambling enterprise then Pete Rose should finally be allowed into the Baseball Hall of Fame. We should have some consistency in how much cheating we allow our professional athletes to get away with.

Pragmatist2 Author Profile Page :

Vick is a scum bag. Any team that signs him will be ostracized. His crimes are not forgivable and he did not pay anywhere near enough for what he did. This was not a crime of passion it was a long and calculated torture ring. I've lost all respect for Dungy for trying to sell this guy back to the NFL and to the American people. Vick does not deserve to be rewarded with a fat contract. He should clean toilets for the rest of his life.

8-man Author Profile Page :

Vick's problem is one of public perception that I am not sure can be overcome.

What NFL owner is ready to chance a stadium full of fans booing and hissing with their backs turned to the field on live tv?

xconservative Author Profile Page :

Dungy is not helping Vick by continuing to refer to his "mistake." He didn't make a mistake. He participated in a brutal dog fighting ring and tortured animals. Whether you think that it is right or wrong, you can't call it a mistake.

Vick is less than an animal (most animals don't kill for sport) and I don't believe he is sorry for anything but getting caught. I will not watch any NFL game that he participates in.

Vick may have paid his legal dues, but he hasn't even begun to pay his moral dues.

allcomment Author Profile Page :

Tarnished player, just more sensational press. What good has Vick done for humanity - ZERO $$$$$$ - ZERO GOOD

taylorb1 Author Profile Page :

Dungy? Who cares? I wouldn't take Vick if he were endorsed by Mother Theresa.

azm2004 Author Profile Page :

I think Mr. Vick did something wrong and paid the consequences "dearly", financially and socially. He deserves another opportunity. I am not an avid football fan. My eight year old son is. I admire Mr. Dungy for volunteering to become a mentor to Mr. Vick. I wish them both good luck.

scac1 Author Profile Page :

Here is an example of a football player getting special treatment. Lawrence Phillips accused of attacking and choking his girlfriend in 2005 was convicted of assualt and other felony charges.Two of Phillips former girlfriends testified that he had choked them into unconsciousness on separate occasions.Phillips has a 2000 conviction for domestic violence from Los Angeles. October 2008, phillips was sentenced to a 10-year prison term for driving onto a field in Los Angeles in August 2005 and striking three boys and a 19 year-old man with his girlfriend's car. He had been convicted in 2006 of seven counts of assult with a deadly weapon from that incident. The sentencing was repeatedly delayed.He played for the Ram's,Dolphins and the 49ers. Tony Dungy, no doubt is trying to make up for the sad loss of his son. Face it Vick is looking for the Big Buck.(see San Diego Union Tribune

christopherallen1 Author Profile Page :

This is for all you self rightoues, hypocrital meat eating animal lovers who are above reproach. He broke the law, he did his time, he lost all he had and some of you still feel like it's not enough....Wow. You're the same people will go to outback tonight and have a porterhouse maybe some ribs or even chicken. What makes one animal more or less to kill than another, there animals. Anyone who's made a comment that doesn't believe he should be able to play again must not eat meat, where leather or go to horse races. So is a dog more valuable to man than a Cow...Hell no cows are even more important to man because we consume so many of them to sustain our diets in america. I'm sick and tired of all this dog love when we don't even have that kind of love for human beings. I wouldn't have treated dogs in that manner but I don't feel sorry for them like I don't feel sorry for cows, pigs, or chickens I eat them all and they taste pretty good. The way there slaughtered is just as inhumane as anything else. To all you Vick haters know this. He's coming back and in 3yrs I gaurantee he'll re-coop all of his loss and make more money than he ever has because of his abilities. Some of you dog lovers take it to far, so stop being hypercrites.

PracticalIndependent Author Profile Page :

Yes, I do think Tony Dungy's involvement in Micheal Vick's life will not only help him develop as a man but may also given him a clearer perspecitive of his obligations as a professional athlete. Now, having said that, I haven't noticed any boycotts, demonstrations, or any similar outrage in relation to the Baltimore Ravens linebacker who pleaded quilty to obstruction of justice after being implicated in the murder of two human beings outside of an Atlanta strip club. In fact, he appears to have matured, changed his life, been forgiven, accepted as a productive member ofthe community and is on his way to the Hall of Fame. Why shouldn't Micheal Vick be afforded the same second chance?

jdonner2 Author Profile Page :

A thug is a thug is a thug. Vick will back in jail within two years. He is just using Dungy.

Meepo Author Profile Page :

Where will Tony Dungy be if and when the League realizes that Michael Vick's skills have eroded beyond repair?

Nowhere. It's all about winning. And money. The NFL doesn't give a gosh darn about how good a person Michael Vick can be. Only whether the convicted felon can evade the rush, throw a pass.

arrabbiato Author Profile Page :

SCACI-DODOHEAD-READ MY POST ABOVE-THAT'S PRECISELY THE POINT-VICK IS NOT CONVICTED OF CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON-CRIMINAL LAW MAKES A JUSTIFIABLE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE "THUG" WHO ATTACKS AND ASSAULTS PEOPLE, AND THOSE WHO COMMIT PROPERTY, FINANCIAL AND OTHER CRIMES THAT DO NOT INVOLVE THE KILLING OR INJURING OF PEOPLE-THE LAW IS JUSTIFIABLY MUCH HARSHER ON THUGS WHO INJURE PEOPLE-VICK IS NOT THAT PERSON, HE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO FELONS LIKE PHILLIPS-WHO SHOULD BE SERVING TRULY HARD TIME, AND NEVER ALLOWED TO PLAY IN THE NFL AGAIN-AND IN FACT IS NOT PLAYING.-

VICKS IF ANYTHING GOT A FAR FAR HARSHER SENTENCE THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE THE CASE FOR HIS CRIME-FAR HARSHER. WITH NO PRIORS, HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A SUSPENDED SENTENCE, OR LESS THAN A YEAR-BUT HE DID TEST POSITIVE FOR MARIJUANA I BELIEVE, WHICH COMPLICATED ISSUES.

TO BE CONVICTED OF RUNNING AN ILLEGAL GAMBLING ENTERPRISE, WITH PIT BULLS IS NO VICIOUS THUG ASSAULT ON A PERSON-THESE PIT BULLS WERE THE SAME AS COCKFIGHTING OR BULLFIGHTING-WHICH IS LEGAL IN MOST COUNTRIES.

VICK IMPRESSES ME AS A PERSON-HE'S MADE SOME MISTAKES, HE'S PAID FOR THEM-ALL THE NON-NUTTERS, NON-IDIOTS, NON-IRRATIONAL FOAMERS AT THE MOUTH PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE ROOTING FOR HIM TO SUCCEED ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD-AS IS THE NFL COMMISSIONER, I MIGHT ADD.

AND TO THE IDIOT WHO RESPONDED THAT PEOPLE WILL BE TURNING THEIR BACKS ON VICKS AT THE STADIUM-WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON, HUH? IDIOT! THEY WILL BE CHEERING HIM ON-HE WILL GET LOVE ON THE FIELD-NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT!

PEOPLE POSTIING HERE ARE REALLY REALLY STUPID, IN ADDITION TO BEING INSUFFERABLY WHITEBREAD AND SANCTIMONIOUS!

Sirius2 Author Profile Page :

Do to Vick what he did to the innocent
dogs -- keep him out of the NFL regardless
of Dungy's support.

Vick is a criminal, and should be treated
as such.

Boycott the NFL if Vick returns

christopherallen1 Author Profile Page :

Sirius are you sirius or just plain stupid. No, you're high. Do you eat animals? if you do. You have no angle to speak from. We use animals to our benifit whether it be for nourishment, entertainment or game. That's why there animals. I don't see anyone up in arms watching these hunting shows...oh my bad they killing them with grace...Wow!

mrwacky Author Profile Page :

The concept of forgiveness is well noted. But in my mind, I can't get past the idea that every time I would see this man on a playing field, I would be reminded of the gruesome, needless torture that he subjected innocent, defenseless dogs to. And I'm a dog lover.

I attend sporting events, watch sporting events, and follow sports teams for pleasure. Why should I be subjected to a reminder of what I believe is horrible and disgusting, while in the rpocess of entertaining myself?

I don't want the man involved in games that I will be watching and a sport I enjoy. It says to me, that the team and league are insensitive to my beliefs and feelings. And i won't be a spectator or participant in my own torture.

Vick should have considered the ramifications of what he was doing, when de decided to torture his dogs to death.

wcmillionairre Author Profile Page :

Mr. Vick is a fundamentally-flawed human being who deserves nothing. Mr. Dungy is a well-respected "schill". I have no respect for either. Should the NFL be so stupid as to re-employ Vick., I have an entire neighborhood in my top-50 earning zip code who will BOYCOTT any product advertised or endorsed by the NFL. I am all set to demand my refund for my Raiders and Niners season tickets. Endorsing this sociopath is the height of irresponsible behavior; I am sure the NFL will make another huge mistake and let this torturer of innocent, defenseless life play again. Should that happen, Ich werde die NFL in der Holle...

Navy_VET_EOD Author Profile Page :

From the perspective of a former ('73-'74) SEC linebacker and NFL fan I say NO. He should not be reinstated. He served time, but he's learned nothing and given the opportunity would repeat the offense in one way or another. He has no conscience. There are plenty of other ballplayers out there who deserve his spot in the NFL. Period.

wcmillionairre Author Profile Page :

"Do you eat animals? if you do. You have no angle to speak from..."
Judging from your post, you are a bit too dull to grasp the distinction between raising and slaughtering livestock, and enjoying the cruel torture of innocent life. Perhaps you should go back and get that GED...

wcmillionairre Author Profile Page :

"PEOPLE POSTIING HERE ARE REALLY REALLY STUPID, IN ADDITION TO BEING INSUFFERABLY WHITEBREAD AND SANCTIMONIOUS!"
I suppose anyone who needs to post with CAPS to make a "point" must be as intolerant of the strong feelings of others, as he is of everything. And, of course, strong opposing beliefs must be SANCTIMONIOUS and obviously the assertions of WHITE PEOPLE. Goodness, I am happy that you haven't died of embarrasment...this is so patently racist and ignorant, I am embarrassed for you!

wcmillionairre Author Profile Page :

From Swanieaz, two quotes that bear repeating:

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - Gandhi

"If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men..." - St. Francis of Assisi

This says it ALL!

wcmillionairre Author Profile Page :

Mr. Vick is a fundamentally-flawed human being who deserves nothing. Mr. Dungy is a well-respected "schill". I have no respect for either. Should the NFL be so stupid as to re-employ Vick., I have an entire neighborhood in my top-50 earning zip code who will BOYCOTT any product advertised or endorsed by the NFL. I am all set to demand my refund for my Raiders and Niners season tickets. Endorsing this sociopath is the height of irresponsible behavior; I am sure the NFL will make another huge mistake and let this torturer of innocent, defenseless life play again. Should that happen, Ich werde die NFL in der Holle...

TheRealTruth Author Profile Page :

I love all the clowns who claim Vick is not a thug. Really, you know this? Because of all the time you've spent with him?

Let's review the thug list:
Spreading STDs under alias "Ron Mexico"? Check
Stealing watch @ airport from TSA employee?
Check
Keeping weed substance in hidden water bottle
Check
Flipping off home fans when you get booed
Check
Financing and actively participating in illegal underground dog-fighting ring?
Check
Serving 2 years in prison for his crimes
Check

Anyone who claims Vick is not a thug does not get it, nor will they.

And by the way, worship Ron Mexico all you want - he doesn't give a sh$% about you.

christopherallen1 Author Profile Page :

WC...Let me be clear, maybe you need the GED. The gest of my statement was how we distinguish or justify what animal is cool to kill and which is not. You obviously fell of the boat during the course of my statement. Let me get you back onboard. In my opinion an animal is an animal. Slaughtering livstock as you put may seem to be more humane than what Vick did. To me killing an animal is killing an animal. An animal life is not equal that of a man to me. You seem to have put dogs in a new category. I don't care if Vick was black white or purple no human should be thrown into the fire this much for killing a animal that's my point and it doesn't take a degree to understand what I'm saying....

christopherallen1 Author Profile Page :

So WC you don't like to see dogs life ruined but take this youngman who made a mistake and paid for it and let's ruin his. Let's take any possibility of him earning anything humiliate him for the rest of his natural life and watch him fade into nothing until all of his hope, dreams and potential is dead. You have to realize as black people IN america white people just started treating us better than dogs only 30yrs ago. But your views on him sound so familiar to my reality and why there's still a blatant race factor in all facets of society even with a newly elected black President. This guy is less than 30yrs old and you want to do to him what he did to the dogs YOU ARE A SICK SELFRIGHTEOUS @#$HOLE...WOW!

TheRealTruth Author Profile Page :

Chris,
Take a deep breathe and understand something, ok?

What Vick did was not a "mistake." A mistake is something done unintentionally--if there is a typo in my post, that is a mistake.

Vick participated in and supported this criminal enterprise for *6 years*, and killed innocent animals in various barbaric ways (read the indictment, I have).

Why so much love for this convict? There are plenty of worthy role models, black or white, for you. Our President is indeed an excellent role model.

And btw, hunting and eating animals are *legal* activities, while dog fighting is *illegal* (which Vick knew, as demonstrated by the great lengths he went to hide his activities). Trust me, the extra "il" makes a big difference!

cmburn Author Profile Page :

I do not know anything about Mr. Dingy. I don’t know what he does for a living or his relationship with Michael Vick. I think most people don’t know the relationship Mr. Dingy has with Mr. Vick. Therefore, like most people, I base my understanding about Michael’s reputation on my knowledge and perception of him regarding being a convicted felon for causing the death of dogs due to running a dog fighting operation. I understand he has fulfilled his obligation to society by serving his sentence. That’s a good start on the road to rehabilitating his image but, he has a very, very, very long way to go before his personal reputation will be completely rehabilitated with many segments of society. His other destructive behaviors have also caused other legal problems and these problems are weighing down any hope of a complete restoration of his reputation. If Michael Vick’s dog fighting conviction was his only transgression, then it would be possible to excuse this behavior as a one-time apparition. The sad truth is, Michael has had many moral and ethical lapses of judgment. This current incident is one of many Michael has had over his short lifetime. The pain and suffering he has inflicted on people, let alone animals, will continue to be a major impediment to restoring his reputation anytime in the foreseeable future. If Mr. Vick wants to completely rehabilitate his reputation, he better start acting more like “Earl Hickey” than Michael Vick!

dmfarooq Author Profile Page :

Yes, America trusts Coach Dungy .If Vick is ready to help himself, Caoch is the best person to help Vick. We should all pray for both men.

bestowens Author Profile Page :

Michael Vick messed up and he paid dearly. I wonder if any of his haters ever messed up and paid the price for it. It's easier to throw stones.
I'd like to see them stand up for the people that get killed everyday in our society.
People are Stupid!

cmburn Author Profile Page :

I do not know anything about Mr. Dingy. I don't know what he does for a living or his relationship with Michael Vick. I think most people don't know the relationship Mr. Dingy has with Mr. Vick. Therefore, like most people, I base my understanding about Michael’s reputation on my knowledge and perception of him regarding being a convicted felon for causing the death of dogs due to running a dog fighting operation. I understand he has fulfilled his obligation to society by serving his sentence. That's a good start on the road to rehabilitating his image but, he has a very, very, very long way to go before his personal reputation will be completely rehabilitated with many segments of society. His other destructive behaviors have also caused other legal problems and these problems are weighing down any hope of a complete restoration of his reputation. If Michael Vick's dog fighting conviction was his only transgression, then it would be possible to excuse this behavior as a one-time apparition. The sad truth is, Michael has had many moral and ethical lapses of judgment. This current incident is one of many Michael has had over his short lifetime. The pain and suffering he has inflicted on people, let alone animals, will continue to be a major impediment to restoring his reputation anytime in the foreseeable future. If Mr. Vick wants to completely rehabilitate his reputation, he better start acting more like "Earl Hickey" than Michael Vick!

christopherallen1 Author Profile Page :

to REALTRUTH...This is what frustrates me about people. We don't think about the whole picture and you obviously didn't get the gest of my statment just as WC didn't. My whole point to this is legal or illegal, there still just animals. There not humans. Dogs don't make or break us as humans. They serve our needs just as any other animal domesticated or otherwise does. I personally think horseracing is inhumane, but I understand it's a legal sport so it's not viewed the way I view it. Dog fighting is a matter of perspective. Dogs shouldn't fight but I bet everyone on this blog will be tuned in for the next Mayweather fight. Where in the hell are our morals. Men have died in the boxing ring, but you're worried about how some dogs are treated in the same type of perspective. Once again these are mere animals and if you put them on a bigger pedastal than that you're giving them to much humanity. What he did was wrong because it broke the law in VA. He did the crime and he did the time. Is anyone gonna lock up Bush for his lying, deciet and buffoonery which has led to over 4000+ youngmen and women dying for nothing. You see when I speak on issues like this my perspective is very broad. Those who have died are not dogs but our President used them in the very legal sport of War but Mike Vick is a very bad man....Get real about life playa....

TheRealTruth Author Profile Page :

Chris
We will never agree...but try and see the error in your posts - the next time Floyd Mayweather steps in the ring, he will do so *willingly*. And if he has a bad night and gets his a$$ kicked in the ring, he doesn't need to worry about his trainer slamming him to the ground, or hanging him or drowning him or electrocuting him by his testicles, the way Vick did to those dogs, who never had the choice to fight or not.

Clearly, I hold the life of animals in higher regard than you do, and while I may agree on your Bush perspective, this post and discussion is about Vick.

And what's funny to me about Vick supporters is you all forget how lousy he played in 2006. Whatever skills he has have only rusted for the 2 years he was incarcerated. He's very talented with regards to his arm and legs but he never put in the time to be a really good QB anyway. Part of me wants to see him on the field so everyone can see him fail on the field.

LouisianaVirginian Author Profile Page :

Dear RealTruth,

You are correct...there IS a big difference between being a willing participant and a pawn coerced and beaten into participation. Boxers have a choice, fighting dogs do not. Beef cattle do not, nor do pigs, chickens, or turkeys...but livestock animals are guarded and inspected regularly by the US Dept. of Agriculture to ensure humane conditions. If Mr. Vick's sport was just a facet of his upbringing, why did he hide away in the Virginia bush country...with a high fence and gun toting thugs watching the place while he played football or traveled to dog fights. Mr. Vick was a man capable of finding and paying for just about any kind of entertainment in the world...yet he chose to steal family pets and use them as bait dogs in an illegal dog fighting operation...run in part by his street thug friends who willingly brought the drugs and the dogs just to hang out with Mister Money Bags...when the money stopped (as in after the arrests) the street hoodlums ratted out Mr. Vick with the speed of an NFL quarterback. I wonder...where have the gansta dreadlocks gone? Where has the nylon do-rag gone. Where has the bold display of the erect middle finger gone? This is not about dogs or dead dogs or dying dogs...this is about character, the lack of it and how a once good athlete gets a free pass on the character issue just because he once could nail a 35 yard bullet pass every time he threw it. Professional sports has an ample supply of dishonest, filthy, ignorant thugs...one's that violently sling guns, ones that get in fights at night clubs and blame it on the other guys...everytime, ones that stay jacked up on steroids and other drugs (and lie to everyone about it), ones that jump into the arena seating and kick the testicles of a rowdy fan, and ones that cover themselves with tattoos and dare anyone to look at or ask about them. We don't need Mr. Vick...if he does return, some college whiz kid will not get his chance...the very chance that Mr. Vick squandered.

arrabbiato Author Profile Page :

IN TODAY'S WASHINGTON POST:

Pit Bulls Euthanized After Mauling Death of Leesburg Man

Wednesday, August 12, 2009; 3:06 PM

The two pit bulls that killed a 20-year-old Leesburg man in his home Monday were euthanized Wednesday at the request of the victim's family, Loudoun County animal control officials said."


"Authorities confirmed Tuesday that puncture wounds consistent with dog bites were the cause of death for Carter Delaney and a mixed-breed pug." (MEANING A HUMAN AND A PUG WERE KILLED BY PIT BULLS)

YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? SEE MY ABOVE POSTS ON THIS SUBJECT-MICHAEL VICK DID US A FAVOR BY PUTTING THOSE PIT BULLS IN A CAGE TO FIGHT IT OUT TO THE DEATH-THE WHOLE DAM N BREED SHOULD BE PUT DOWN-THEY ARE A MENACE TO SOCIETY!


SCtoDC Author Profile Page :

TO TASEMAN: First of all Taseman, I am not biased. I'm just calling this how I see it. Second of all, I'm far from ignorant. I sir, happen to live in the "Real World" where men and women do things that may not be to the liking of others, but that doesn't mean that a person should not be able to redeem themselves for doing something stupid. For you to say that you won't judge me AFTER you call me "biased" and "ignorant" just shows that are the self-rightous type and you don't even realise it. Just so you know I don't work for the NFL, although that would be nice for me and my family. I am an office manager for a financial law firm. I don't even like the Falcons football team (I'm a Steelers fan). You say it's not about human life or nonhuman life it's about cruelty to any living being. Sir what do you think you are advocating when you say that Mike Vick should not be able to play football again. Don't you think that is cruel and unusual punishment. If you knew my record of service you would be full of remorse, but since you don't. Let me enlighten you. I am a former enlisted Marine. I have been in some very tight situations (fox holes with all kinds of races and nationalities) and considered every last one of them as "MY Brother". I have done all sorts of charity work in and out of my community.(Toys for TOTS, Breast cancer awareness, contributed to Down syndrome Charities, Aids awareness campaigns, Rock the vote, and many more). So understand that you are not speaking to someone who is just angry. Also, what the hell is a "speciesist". That's a new one to me. I totally agree that you and others who have the same view as you SHOULD boycott the entire NFL for reinstating Vick. That means there would be plenty more tickets, parking spaces and seats for fans that just want to enjoy the game like it should be enjoyed, and not there to further their ideologies, and agendas. You don't want to watch the game because you don't agree with Vick's reinstatement. FINE. Go to a dog park or some where and watch them like each others asses. It's your team and favorite players missing out. Not Vick! "SO PLEASE BOYCOTT!" As far as having insecurities, you are talking to the wrong person, because I have NONE. I'm very secure in who I am and what I stand for. Also I'm not in the minority when it comes to my opinion, there are just as many if not more people who see things for the way they really are not what they should. You would know this if you gave your EARS the same chance you give you MOUTH (fingers). OH one last thing, " I'm a dog owner, not the other way around and he's a Pitbull mix. Forgiveness is the key to salvation. Peace!

tawana_t Author Profile Page :

Dear Fellow Bloggers,
It is obvious that some of you are ignorant of the situation with Michael Vick. Please do not use words in which you don't know the meaning. A person is not a thug because you say they are over and over again. Please educate yourself on the situation before spouting what you have "heard" or "seen" on TV. Michael Vick is a human being just as you are. He never was or has been a "gangster". Amazing... There is a word you should at least try to incorporate into your life, empathy. It is amazing that some of us have quoted the Bible and have missed the complete meaning of being a Christian. Judge not, least ye be judged. You have shown that you don't know anything about Michael Vick. He is a humble person that made a bad choice. The people that turned him in were his cousins, not some thugs he just hung out with. There is a justice system that some of us obviously don't believe in, Jesus preached to his followers about forgiveness, but some of us probably don't understand that either. Who are we to judge him? As you think about boycotting Mr. Vick, think about this. Whatever you love to do in this world (obviously you love to judge people), and think about making a mistake in another part of your life (this part of your life has nothing to do with what you love to do), you face your punishment for your mistake, and you now are judged by good "Christians" who claim to love human beings so much. Amazing...
Please take this energy you obviously have and worry about actual pedophiles (that get numerous chances in society), rapist, PETA (for killing 95% of the animals it "saves"), et al. Get a grip people; I am going to hope you have more to do than boycott a football game because Vick is there. The NFL is not a shining example of character. It is about image...remember Bill Belichick. He cheated and I don't recall the outrage of his loss of morals, values, and truthfulness. The integrity of football was compromised. Mark Chmura being charged with sexual assault (babysitter incident - look it up). Where was the outrage????? Amazing...

 
 
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