Should the Heisman Trophy winner's religious or political views affect your opinion of him as a player?
email@example.com: What is the controversy all about? If I recall, Mr. Tebow never says he is against a woman's right to kill her baby. He simply had a Mothe...
YEAL9: Thou shalt not kill/murder defenseless children or spotted owls in or out of their eggs!!!...
Spiritof761: The ad was really a total dud. Instead of even hinting at aborting a fetus the ad featured Tebow tackling his mother. Hard. Very hard.
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Tim Tebow seems a little "goody-two-shoes" to be true, and he probably is, like all of us are, flawed. And I personally think the choice issue should be up to the woman, but I recognize how tough an issue it is. But if Tebow is only 50% of what he's cracked up to be and what he's trying to represent, he's a heck of a lot better human being than most pro athletes, who as a group are some of the most spoiled, out-of-touch, delusional idiots there are in the world. Props to Tim Tebow, and let him have his say. And even more so, props to his mom, who made that tough decision, and I'm happy it turned out so well for her. Sally Jenkins is right about this. Tebow and his mom are the wrong people to attack. Attack Dobson, he's a bigger idiot than most of those idiot pro athletes.
February 1, 2010 3:42 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Neither focus on the family or Tim Tebow will influence my opinions. Focus on the family is one of the most intolerant pseudochristion organizations yet. The New Testament laid down some pretty good rules of conduct and ethics. FOTF seems to have stopped reading the Bible after the Old Testament.
February 1, 2010 3:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Tebow means well but I am tired of being preached to or trying to be converted I respect your beliefs but you must respect mine not agree with but respect That is why I believe in choice and do not believe a ferus is a life till it can survive on its own also Try helping the lives after they are born take responcibility for that
February 1, 2010 4:01 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Mr. Tebow is entitled to take a stand in what he believes. The losers in this are the intolerant liberals who claim to support free speech. Hats off to Tebow...wish there were more!
February 1, 2010 5:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
February 1, 2010 5:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
My opinion of Tim Tebow as a player is more influenced by the fact that he is a quarterback who won the Heisman Trophy. Can anyone recall a Heisman Trophy winner who was successful as an NFL quarterback?
Don't preach Tim. Concentrate on practicing and performing.
February 1, 2010 6:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
This issue plays into one of the major problems with the left. They consistently cede language to the right. You can see it in almost every issue.
Most Americans are not against Health Care reform, most are not even against the current proposals - they are, however, against the image of "reform" crafted - very effectively - by the right. The fact that the right's imagery is completely false is not as relevant to the fact that the left does not seem to think language matters.
Look at the topic under discussion. Once again, the right triumphs. Who is NOT Pro-Life? Maybe Hitler wasn't. Maybe Pol Pot wasn't, either. Wouldn't you have to be Hitler or Pol Pot to be against "Pro-Life"?
But, factually, pro-choice people are not anti-life, as the right wants everyone to believe. And the Tebow's position is not accurately described as "Pro-Life". What the Tebows, the self-named "Christian" right, etc. are is Pro Forced Birth.
If you think about it that way it does not sound like such a great thing, does it? This is how the left should be handling this. The right doesn't have a problem calling names. If the left put things in real terms they wouldn't need to call names.
Meanwhile, the right loves the Tebow story because little Timmy grew up to be the gorgeous hunk Sally Jenkins drools over and who brings home national titles.
Tim was born to a life of relative plenty full of opportunity. But what if Tebow's mom were black and poor and living in a ghetto on food stamps? How darling would little Timmy be to them then? Wouldn't Mrs Tebow then be a Welfare Queen (when Tim was born, that is)?
Personally, I am against abortion. But I believe it is not up to me to require others to follow my beliefs. I do not accept that life begins at conception. And, frankly, neither did the Church Fathers. This is a matter of faith not public policy.
I don't care if Tebow's commercial runs or not. I am more concerned about whether the left will wake up or if we are to fall back under the whims of the right - who has no interest in what happens to the child after it is born.
February 1, 2010 6:36 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Would CBS allow a similar ad, but one taking the other side? If yes, fine, run the ad. The only complaint would that Tebow shamelessly promotes his religion. I wonder how Tebow's defenders would react if a Muslim-American athlete--say, and NBA star--put citations to Koran on his skin. Unless Tebow's supporters would support the Muslim athlete, they're hypocrites.
If CBS would not run a similar ad for the pro-choice side, then it deserves to have scorn heaped upon it.
February 1, 2010 6:40 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Who cares what Tebow thinks about anything?
What ever happened to just playing the game? I used to watch Major League Baseball and the NFL regularly but no more. I'm tired of players shoving their beliefs in my face when all I want to do is watch a good game.
February 1, 2010 9:32 PM | Report Offensive Comments
February 1, 2010 9:37 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Here's the thing...Tebow paints bible verses under his eyes for his games. What if a player painted something like 'God is dead' or 'Satan Lives', or even worse for the Christian fundamentalists in the US: Allahu Akbar (Allah is the Greatest). What do you think the reaction would be?
Certainly Tebow is entitled to his beliefs but I just don't understand the need to proselytize, particularly when most of these people would be aghast if the same tactics were used by members of other religions.
February 1, 2010 9:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
CBS *supposedly* has a policy against airing ads about controversial or political debates. They said as much. Only, they didn't mean it, it turns out.
Pundit-apologists who claim this ad is an agenda-free "celebration" of a successful young man remind me of how our insipid falling-down-on-the-job media didn't call George Bush on his Saddam-9/11 disinformation game. You see, Bush never outright *stated* that Saddam attacked us, he just kept mysteriously repeating the two things together until 70% of the country was confused about who was behind the worst attack ever on American soil. But - he didn't mislead! Oh noooo, the people misled themSELVES.
Similarly, the ad doesn't mention Roe v. Wade, voting, or Congress, so it must "not be political"! Yes, really!! That's the entire thesis behind the CBS/Tebow apologists' argument.
This kind of reasoning is entirely passive-aggressive, and I find that trait weak and dishonest. Others may admire passive-aggressiveness. Your mileage may vary I guess.
Our media are either irresponsible amateurs or they are naive eight-year-olds who cannot see through a clear plastic bag. Pretty sad to watch the song and dance on this one though.
February 1, 2010 10:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Let me add this - in 2009, the Super Bowl refused to air an ad supporting marriage equality, saying that they do not air ads of the 'advocacy' category.
February 1, 2010 10:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I could give less than aF what Tim Tebow thinks. But I DO care that the NFL has decided to become a partisan Christian conservative republican organization.
The NFL used to bring people together. No more.
February 1, 2010 10:07 PM | Report Offensive Comments
TommyBaseball, you hit the nail on the head with this:
"Tim was born to a life of relative plenty full of opportunity. But what if Tebow's mom were black and poor and living in a ghetto on food stamps? How darling would little Timmy be to them then? Wouldn't Mrs Tebow then be a Welfare Queen (when Tim was born, that is)?"
Tebow would a pariah of FauxNews if he were a poor black kid who didn't make it. Life is a thing to celebrate in *relative* terms to the conservatives.
And you're totally spot-on about the language wars. Liberals have long had the admirable, but misguided belief that they live in a nation of people who can think things through rationally. Sadly, most Americans simply want to be manipulated. The right is awfully good at that.
February 1, 2010 10:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I'd like to see an ad featuring the child of a woman who had amoebic dysentery, as did Tim Tebow's mother, but wasn't so lucky. Where's the kid who was born with the disabilities Tim might have had, if he'd been less fortunate? Go ahead and show THAT kid, and his/her mother, and the details of THEIR lives, and then ask the viewers who should decide what to do when faced with such a choice.
February 1, 2010 10:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
February 1, 2010 10:38 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Apparently the Tebow ad is probably based on falsehood:
Our media are such dupes.
It is hard to speak about an ad that has yet to be aired, yet I still can't help feeling Tebow should be making an ad for men. An ad regarding abstinence, perhaps. I find it very hard to put any weight on mans perspective on the matter, when their only choice is weather to keep it in their pants or not.
February 2, 2010 6:44 AM | Report Offensive Comments
What is the controversy all about? If I recall, Mr. Tebow never says he is against a woman's right to kill her baby. He simply had a Mother who chose not to kill him. What is the problem?
February 2, 2010 8:04 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Thou shalt not kill/murder defenseless children or spotted owls in or out of their eggs!!!
February 2, 2010 12:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
The ad was really a total dud. Instead of even hinting at aborting a fetus the ad featured Tebow tackling his mother. Hard. Very hard.
Evidently the promoters want folks to think misogyny is fine so long as domestic violence if followed by an apology.
February 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report Offensive Comments