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How the NFL should handle Michael Vick and how it actually will are not necessarily the same thing. Fair is not an adjective often used to describe the punishments handed down by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. He prefers instead the hard line of zero tolerance.

If this protectionist attitude persists, I see no reason why Goodell would ever let Michael Vick back under the lucrative NFL Shield.

Yes, Michael Vick has served his time, and yes he has lost a great deal for his crime but, to be blunt, who cares? What does the NFL stand to gain by letting Vick play again? Massive protests outside of games, boycotts by animal rights groups, a media firestorm focused not on all the great things about football, but on all the ugliest.

So why do it? Because it's the right thing to do? Because in America we believe in second chances? Because there are plenty of other football players who have broken the law and been allowed to play?

You're not looking at it through Roger Goodell's eyes. It's a no-win if he lets Vick in. If he bans him for life, he'll merely secure his reputation as the "Tough Commisioner" while appealing to a whole new demographic of fans -- the PETAbacks!

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You white people are amazing, who flippin' cares. They were dogs people, any chance you get to nail a young black man you do it. Than you stand and you protest like your so strong in your convictions, When everybody knows thats just a curtain you all stand behind to spew your racist hatred. The numbers say that one of these 4 columnist is woman beater, or a child abuser, or a sexual predator. You all stand on your soap box and judge like your life is perfect, take a strong look in the mirror I doubt any of you are the man that you portray you are. To even suggest he should have a liftime ban is ludacris, this man went to prison, this is real life people. To serve 2 years in prison over some friggin' dogs, only in the White Man's America!!!!!

Posted by: cooperbj411 | May 20, 2009 3:20 AM

To CooperBJ411: Michael Vick is classified below pond scum and the diseases that are contained therein: He has not repented nor has he demonstrated true sorrow for the despicable things he has done. You, my friend, are the bitter racist. Just by your tone you exude disdain and hatred for the white race, that race which hoisted your forebarers out of the jungle and brought you where you are today. What you make out of your life is up to you, no retributions, free hand-outs nor public dole.

Posted by: GeorgeSSC | May 20, 2009 6:53 AM

cooperbj
You sir are very confused. If a white NFL player had done what Vick did he would have been send to prison for 10 years, his NFL career would be over, and he would be one of the most hated men in society.
Vick, because he is black was treated much, much more leniently then a white guy would have been.

Posted by: Iowahoosier | May 20, 2009 8:32 AM

WOW first I see the reverse race card was used cooperbj. What's the matter afraid Vick will comeback and excel over the NFL predominately White quarterbacks? Far as PETA these are the same folks who feel that NFL football is a violent sport. Emil Steiner stands strong behind his mere words, I ask just who the Hell is he. And Roger Goodell, should he not let Vick have a second chance then I want everyone to dig deep through his background, his families background, find ever piece of dirt possible on him then let's see how he handles being JUDGED!

Posted by: CashNDC | May 20, 2009 8:55 AM

Stop the racist hate! Who cares? Let the guy play. So he abused some dogs. Pro sports is full of both white and black criminals. Players, coaches and owners. The NFL has murderers and rapists in it already.

Posted by: rockbandsinc | May 20, 2009 9:04 AM

Let him try an come back. Any team that hires him will have to deal with protests.

If I was an owner, I'd give him a one year contract at the league minimum and no signing bonus.

Posted by: ahashburn | May 20, 2009 9:05 AM

How many people will boycott / protest / refuse to have anything to do with the NFL if:

Vick plays again

Vs.

Vick never plays again

I honestly can't even imagine why Vick himself would still want to get back in the game. His career is over. If he plays in the NFL, this scandal will be on him for the rest of his life, and there are fans who will hold it against him for the rest of his life.

Let it go and find a new job.

Posted by: legendarypunk | May 20, 2009 9:21 AM

I think it is unlikely he has changed, despite all his pretenses of wanting to bridge w/the Humane Society and change young black mens' acceptance of this sick "sport". He is sick and like any abuser he got off on making things suffer. Those people need decades of therapy.

That being said, I believe, no matter what, if you do your time, you deserve a second chance. Maybe not two or three chances but at least a second chance. Fair is fair, despite the fact that I will be sickened to see this cretin in a uniform.

Posted by: jackson641 | May 20, 2009 10:15 AM

Cooper, I know people like you say it's part of the "culture" in the inner city. Well, if you want to kill each other, go ahead. But leave the dogs alone, because they don't have a choice in this.

Posted by: obx2004 | May 20, 2009 10:26 AM

No accusation of racism excuses Vick’s actions. Even if canine life is not as valuable as human life, fighting dogs for sport is sadistic, cruel and worthy of punishment. A society that believes otherwise is a society that most, I suspect, would not want to live in. That being said, Vick deserves a second chance. Vick has been punished for his actions. Vick, as any other person, is capable of changing. Finally, Vick's talent is far too great to waste.

Posted by: DCTofSE | May 20, 2009 10:45 AM

No one disputes that Michael Vick's actions demonstrate a disturbing tendency towards cruelty. The man struggles to maintain a clean image; look back to stories of his days at Virginia Tech. However, though Vick committed despicable acts, he did serve his punishment. Furthermore, I found myself disturbed by the media frenzy that occurred after his arrest. Yes, Vick is a figure in the public eye. And people should know about the terrible things he did with his animals. But, due to the currents of racism that permeate every aspect of American society, I find it hard to believe that Vick did not suffer an unfair amount of scrutiny and condemnation. His experience represents a part of the media's subconscious (or conscious) campaign to criminalize and demonize African American males. I must say that the above reality is not enough to argue for his reinstatement in the NFL. Rather, I would point to the examples of numerous other athletes who made mistakes or stood accused of crimes yet managed to return to the league and reclaim a positive image (ex. Ray Lewis). Vick, like any of these men, deserves a chance at the American dream, to reinvent himself. After all, should he suffer a penalty as harsh as a lifetime ban for animal cruelty and the other charges involved with his particular case, what would this precedent mean for athletes who commit even more heinous offenses?

Posted by: Galahad32687 | May 20, 2009 10:55 AM

GeorgeSSC you are not only an idiot, you are an ignorant idiot. Your statement "...that race which hoisted your forebarers out of the jungle and brought you where you are today." is proof of that fact. Read about the history of the African Continent, don't depend on your viewing of the white man's Tarzan of the jungle flicks. As far as bringing the black man to where he is today, don't even get me started.

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | May 20, 2009 11:46 AM

I think he should be allowed to play again. If he has served his sentance then he should be allowed to try and play football again. He did not cheat during a game, or bet on his own team (like other notable athelets). So it is analogous to one of us getting caught breaking the law. Should we be banned from working ever again? Even people who commit theft, rape, and murder should be given the chance. It should be up to the employer to make the decision to hire him. I also feel that a portion of his salary and community service should be allocated to the humane society, for the rest of his life! Not a bad idea for all convicted felons, to have part of their wages set aside to help the victoms of the crime they commited, and to have to perform some sort of community service for life. It will serve as a reminder of their crime and hopefully shame them from not wanting to do it again. I say let him play (if he still can), but keep him on a short leash.

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | May 20, 2009 12:40 PM

Iowahoosier

The truth of the matter is you have to ask yourself would you give a white man 10 years in jail for the same thing Vick did. You cant base an argument on something that has not happened in the case of a white man being in vick's position. I could say if vick were white he would have never been investigated for drugs thus dogfighting would not have been an issue, They searched his property for drugs and discovered evidence of dog fighting. just because I say that does not make it true. Ask yourself this since black people catch such a break in this country. Would you trade places with a black man, since we seem to have it soo good? Finally a simple test to prove your theory wrong. Ask yourself how you felt about Robert Blake (who?) getting aquitted for murdering his wife. Then ask yourself how you felt about O.J Simpson getting that same aquittal. Then come back to us and tell us the truth about your feelings. I bet you were more angry about O.J than Blake. Yet you feel blacks get the brakes and whites have it hard? Tell that to O.J. He is the main reason black athelete have a target on their backs when it comes to people like you. Had O.J gone to jail in the first place there would not be as many angry white people looking to throw every black athlete who gets caught pissing in the alley in jail. I wish he had never been aquitted.

Posted by: ged0386 | May 20, 2009 12:54 PM

I think the authors theory does not work. If we apply what he thinks, then Wal-mat, K,mart, 7-11 and McDonalds would not want the protest from animal groups, negative publicity and everything else that comes with having Vick as an employee. Who says PETA cant harrass him no matter what job he has? Should he be banned from working or just banned from making a good living. I think if people see michael vick changing tires at a goodyear they will leave him alone but if he resumes his NFL career they will harrass him. They dont just want him to pay his debt they want him to be a lifelong failure so they can feel better about themselves. Whenever I think I am a loser I can always look at Vick and say at least I am better than him. If he goes back to a million dollar career we cant say that. I think we are more into teaching these rich black arrogant athletes a lesson in humility than actually doing what is right and just.

Posted by: ged0386 | May 20, 2009 1:08 PM

legendarypunk

When it comes doen to it Vick is not going to determine if I watch the NFL or not. I think if he plays people will initially make a big deal of it mainly because the sports media will just to have something interesting for the 500 talking heads they have hired to work for their networks to talk about. Sure PETA will protest but the one thing the average joe sports fan will not stand for is some Animal rights group telling them who to watch or not watch based on Vick. The averate joe will tell PETA to take a hike. After a season of Vick being back in the league people will get over it and move on to the next villian in sports. We said the same things about Kobe Bryant a few years ago when he was being dropped by sponsors and hounded by womens groups. Now he does commercials for NBA Cares. No one calls him a rapist anymore. No one protest laker games. The brawl in detroit made us forget about Kobe and pay attention to Ron Artest.

Posted by: ged0386 | May 20, 2009 1:22 PM

You're not looking at it through Roger Goodell's eyes. It's a no-win if he lets Vick in. If he bans him for life, he'll merely secure his reputation as the "Tough Commisioner" while appealing to a whole new demographic of fans -- the PETAbacks!

Spoken like a guy who has probably envyed guys like Vick all his life. Once Godell realizes that the PETAbacks dont make a dime for the NFL nor will the average fan allow them to dictate what they will patronize he will allow him to play even with the baggage that comes with his name.

Posted by: ged0386 | May 20, 2009 1:26 PM

GED0386: I completely agree with what you said. The justice system in this country is skewed, and not just black justice vs white justice, but rich vs poor also.

But I get frustrated when people say "they're just dogs". I was so horrified to read what had happened, I couldn't understand how a human being could do something like that and still live with themselves. And as an animal lover, it didn't matter his skin colour, it was the acts that were committed. If he was blond and blue-eyed, I would feel no different about him. But I am only speaking for myself.

We don't have the right to prevent him from making a living now that he served his sentence, but as you said, there are a lot of people who would be much happier watching him flip burgers for $6.00 an hour than getting a seven-figure contract from the NFL.

Posted by: obx2004 | May 20, 2009 1:36 PM

CashNDC
WOW first I see the reverse race card was used cooperbj


Now, subconsciously a white person who claims not to play the race card actually is playing the race card when they use terms like "reverse racism" or "reverse race card" because racism is racism and the term race card should not have any special adjetive or adverb attached to it just because they percieve racism comming from someone black. Doing that shows that you single out a black person saying something racist as different than anyone else. If a asian person says something racist about a white person is that some kind of special racism that should be catagorized different? No. So why do whites have a special term for blacks? Think about it. There is no such thing as reverse racism just because a black is using racism terms. Its called racism no matter who uses it. But by your own post its different because a black person does it which means races even plays a part in you pointing out racism. Its reverse racism when blacks are racist but racism when everyone else is? When you use that term you qualify the racism directed at a particular group of people.

Posted by: ged0386 | May 20, 2009 1:37 PM

People who started off by comparing Vick's actions to crimes committed by other pro athletes or using racism to deflect the seriousness of Vick's crimes just don't get it. They're just not capable of realizing (probably never will) the nature of the atrocities committed by Vick against lives that could not fight back.

I get tired of hearing people say that he deserves a "second chance". A second chance at what? He has a second chance. In fact, he has many. He's out of jail. He's not being subjected to fear and pain. He's still alive. However, someone like him should not be given a chance to be around animals, much less kids, as his management team intends to do.

Posted by: KT11 | May 20, 2009 2:02 PM

why ban him?
he made an error... a grave error.

but he took it on the chin.... he didnt whine... he deserves a chance and more athletes who go against the Law need to learn from him NOT to do it and when caught, take it like man and improve your life.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | May 20, 2009 2:09 PM

I believe Goodell takes his stewardship of the NFL seriously. He may not ban Vick for life (even though appropriate) but I guarantee there will be candid discussions and severe repercussions to any franchise that signs Vick. Save the game; forget Vick.

Posted by: wcmillionairre | May 20, 2009 2:36 PM

if people do not go to prison to pay their due why are they sent there?

is he to be treated differently than anyone else?

ALLL:::: "Guilty as charged..." so who will cast the first stone to say they are more worthy than Vick?

some of you talking have not been punished for all the wrong you have done so put on his Vick's shoes and THEN lets hear from you????

ALL::::::: "Guilty as charged..." not just Vick." he's PAID the price... he is now a person worthy of EXACTLY what you are worthy of.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | May 20, 2009 2:44 PM

FIRST OFF, HOW THE HELL OLD ARE YOU EMIL? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'VE JUST HAD YOUR SIXTH BIRTHDAY!

SECONDLY, I REPEAT, VICKS IS NOT A THUG, HE'S A GOOD MAN, AND HE ABSOLUTELY DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE. HE WILL GET A SECOND CHANCE. HE WILL FIND SOME WAY TO WIN FOR HIS TEAM-AND THAT'S IT-HE'S OFF!

Posted by: arrabbiato | May 20, 2009 3:08 PM

He is not a good man, he is a sadistic savage. This constant effort to make excuses or dismiss his actions is a little nauseating.

Posted by: obx2004 | May 20, 2009 3:11 PM

NO, AU CONTRAIRE, OBX, IT'S YOU WITH YOUR LILY WHITE ATTITUDE TOWARDS THIS, YOUR HYPOCRITICAL NO INSIGHT NO COMPASSION ATTITUDE THAT IS FAR MORE THAN A LITTLE NAUSEATING-IT MAKES ME UPCHUCK-AND I WISH, ALL OVER YOU!

Posted by: arrabbiato | May 20, 2009 3:26 PM

WE LOVE YOU MICHAEL VICK-AND WE BELIEVE IN YOU! DON'T LISTEN TO THE DUMB A$$ES ON THIS BOARD, WHO MAKE YOU OUT TO BE SOME SORT OF SERIAL MURDERER-THAT MAKES ME LAUGH!
AND WHAT IS PARTICULARLY GALLING AND ANNOYING ARE THESE SPECTACULARLY UNINSIGHTFUL AND SCREAMINGLY HYPOCRITICAL SPORTS WRITERS DELIVERING THEIR OH SO SANCTIMONIOUS JUDGMENTS ABOUT THE "END OF MICHAEL VICK" FROM THEIR PERILOUSLY HIGH PERCHES!
HA HA HA! VICK IS GONNA SHOW ALL OF YOU A-HOLES-AND HE WILL BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN BEFORE-AND AS FOR THE TERRORIST ANIMAL ACTIVISTS-IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU GOT PUT IN A DOG-FIGHTING RING AND LET THE PIT BULLS CHEW ON YOU FOR A WHILE, HUH? HOW ABOUT IT?

Posted by: arrabbiato | May 20, 2009 3:27 PM

For what it's worth, PETA will never be a fan of NFL football. So listening to them or trying to curry their favor is a waste of time. The ball is made of cowhide. From their point of view, cruel ranchers brutally murdered cows for their meat and skins, and that skin is what makes up the outer-shell of the football.

Now I've gone and made myself hungry. I think I'll cook a nice juicy rib eye for dinner.

Posted by: ygbrown2001 | May 20, 2009 4:29 PM

8th Grade Final Exam: Salina , KS -1895
Grammar (Time, one hour)

1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters.
2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph
4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of"lie,""play," and "run."
5. Define case; Illustrate each case.
6 What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation.
7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.


Judging from the above examples, few of the participants in this thread would have matriculated. They must make you really proud of your readers, Mr. Steiner(?)

I do think that KT11 nailed it, however.

Posted by: zman3 | May 20, 2009 6:15 PM

YG say:

"The ball is made of cowhide" RIGHT! SO BUTT OUT, PETA-HEADS!

I AM A VEGETARIAN, BUT PETA IS SO BONKERS-ON THE REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF, LIKE HORRIFICALLY INHUMANE SLAUGHTERHOUSE CONDITIONS-THEY DON'T SAY A WORD-ONLY IF A SUBJECT IS SEXY AND IN THE NEWS WILL THEY STICK THEIR OVERLY SELF-RIGHTEOUS NOSES IN IT. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE IDIOTS.

PETA=TOO WHITEBREAD. BEING WHITE MYSELF, I KNOW WHITEBREAD, AND I DON'T LIKE WHITEBREAD.

Posted by: arrabbiato | May 20, 2009 6:39 PM

This is why I think PETA is so counterproductive - whenever animal welfare issues become subject to public discussion, they and the emotional reaction they tend to provoke by their methods end up dominating the discussion, rather than the actual issues relative to the welfare of animals.

The issue, in this case, is not the 'rights' of the animals, nor the rights of Mr. Vick - it's the right of the NFL to make good business decisions based upon the image they want to present for their product.

If the NFL wishes to have an animal torturer on the field entertaining it's fans, then it must also accept that millions of people will turn away from their product, resulting in significant loss of advertising revenue and public goodwill.
Hardly worth it over the likes of Mr. Vick, I'd suggest.

Mr Vick is free to go forward with whatever he chooses. The public is free to demonstrate their disgust with animal cruelty and those who wantonly, heinously perpetrate it.

Posted by: zman3 | May 20, 2009 6:57 PM

Without the active involvement of organizations like PETA, do you really think that there will be any forum for "The public is free to demonstrate their disgust with animal cruelty and those who wantonly, heinously perpetrate it."?

Also, the issue, in this case, IS the 'rights' of the animals, PLUS the rights of Mr. Vick PLUS the right of the NFL to make good business decisions. PETA, animal lovers and other decent people are just trying to make sure the animals' rights are also heard. The NFL is still free to make its good business decisions.

Posted by: KT11 | May 20, 2009 7:34 PM

The world had many wonderful and effective voices for animal welfare prior to the emergence of PETA.

As the CEO of an organization which does important work in the arena of animal welfare, I can state uncategorically that PETA makes our work harder, not easier.

PETA sings to it's own choir, while alienating millions by its grandstanding tactics. PETA confuses the issues, wedding the philosophical and highly debatable issue of animal rights with animal welfare.

Whether Mr. Vick's dogs have rights, and what kind, is an argument which ultimately doesn't move the people who most need to be reached. Above and in other related threads on these stories, we see over and over people who don't value the animals themselves, let alone their 'rights' in whatever forms.

It's hard to get humans to agree on rights for themselves and each other, let alone all the nuances of expression and limits of those, or the responsibilities which might accompany them.

Yet if we ask people to have empathy for the suffering of animals, to show compassion and mercy, to demonstrate kindness and care for creatures weaker than themselves, most people will resonate with those themes and ideas and come to embrace them.

As we've seen, the all-or-nothing rhetoric of PETA is interpreted as an extremist message by most people, who hear the stories of attacks on fur wearing people and others, and find these things as objectionable as the cruel treatment of the animals by industry.

Many people think of their own children being saved through treatments developed by animal based research, and become totally turned off to the idea that perhaps there might be effective alternatives, *because of the messenger* - they hear only the demanding, accusatory voice of 'extremists' and the walls go up, rather than down.

I could pontificate on the history of the animal welfare movement, demonstrating the advancements made in our society and others, long before Ingrid Newkirk was born. Their work deserves honor and continuation.

Mr Vick is a torturer. Whether a football is made of leather or fans are beef eating, hot dog munching carnivores only obfuscates and distracts from the immediate concerns regarding having such a monster foisted upon us as another "hero/athlete" on Sunday afternoons.

It doesn't take PETA to organize a boycott or to focus public outrage over the NFL's tacit endorsement of him should he be reinstated. It does take average people who just care about the welfare of helpless creatures, taking committed and determined action.

It requires people to examine their consciences, and to decide for themselves that decency matters and there are limits to their willingness to be entertained by mercenary felons without real remorse.

Posted by: zman3 | May 20, 2009 9:06 PM

To the guy that said he brought us from the jungle thank you. Also thank you for 500 years of slavery, thank you for seperarting mothers from their children and disjointing our families, thank you for counting me as 4/5 of a man, thank you for the white only facilites, thank you for raping and pilliaging our women, thank you for the assination of MLK, thank you for the kkk, thanks for the jim crow laws, thank you for emmit till, thank you for the back of the bus, thank you for the lynchings, thank you for the slaughter house cases, thank you for the act of 1871, thank you for the pig law of 1876, thank you for the 'grandfather clause', thank you for disfranchisement, thank you for 1930 lynching of Thomas Shipp and Abram Smith in Marion, Indiana, thank you for the 1935 lynching of Rubin Stacy in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, thank you for The Lynching of Postmaster Frazier Baker and His Infant Daughter Julia in Lake City, South Carolina, in 1898, thank you for the The 16th Street Baptist Church bombing of 1963, thank you for rodney king,. Thank you for watching me like a hawk when i enter your stores. I thanks ya masta.

Posted by: cooperbj411 | May 20, 2009 11:53 PM

Vick was cruel to animals and deserved some punishment for it. But most everyone who eats meat by now know how cruelly and inhumanely animals are treated before they reach their plates. No one, however, suggests that carnivores be punished for their complicity in this treatment. Why not? True, the cruelty of the carnivores is not, as it was in the case of Vick, intentional; most, I assume, wish that the animals could be treated better, provided, of course, that such treatment does raise prices. Some may even wish all animals could die a natural death before they were processed for the market.

While we need not go so far as to claim that what we wish for has nothing to do with our moral character, it should be undeniable that in this case the moral significance of the carnivore's wishes is dwarfed by their complacent acceptance of the cruelty and death inflicted to briefly stimulate their taste buds.

I will leave it to the Freudians to speculate about the connection between the severity of Vick's punishment--almost two years in jail!--and the repressed guilt of those who

Posted by: jgreene1 | May 21, 2009 12:54 PM

MY PREVIOUS POST WENT UP BEFORE IT COULD BE PROOF READ. HERE IS THE CORRECT VERSION. SORRY. Vick was cruel to animals and so deserved some punishment. But most everyone who eats meat by now knows how cruelly and inhumanely animals are treated before they reach their plates. No one, however, suggests that carnivores be punished for their complicity in this treatment. Why not?

True, the cruelty of the carnivores is not, as it was in the case of Vick, intentional; most, I assume, wish that the animals could be treated better, provided, of course, that such treatment does not raise prices. Some may even wish that all animals could die a natural death before they are sliced and ground up for the market.

While we need not go so far as to claim that what we wish for has nothing to do with our moral character, it should be undeniable that in this case the moral sweetness of the carnivore's wishes is dwarfed in significance by their shockingly complacent acceptance of the cruelty and death they fully know are being inflicted in order to stimulate ever so briefly their taste buds.

I will leave it to the Freudians to speculate about the connection between the severity of Vick's punishment--almost two years in jail!--and the repressed guilt of those who celebrated its imposition.

Posted by: jgreene1 | May 21, 2009 1:07 PM

I don't care about the color of MV's skin. What matters to me is that he's a troublemaker.

If Gooddell wants to let him back into the league, it's then up to an owner who is willing to put up with the crap that will be headed his way just for signing him.

And please don't think for a minute that the NFL owes MV a second chance or that he has a right to play in the league again just for the asking. That's too misguided a way of thinking to adequately tackle here.

If MV doesn't find any takers, he could at least be thankful that he had his dream for a little while. His brother couldn't throw his away early enough.

Posted by: GeoffreyPeckham | May 21, 2009 1:17 PM

@GeorgeSSC
For you to make such a dumbass comment, shows your lack of intelligence. Amazing. Now black people should thank white people for saving us from the jungle. Your mom should have spit you onto carpet instead of birthing you. Go and say that to one of your black friends(most of you racists have a black best friend)and when you snap out of your coma maybe you will have a better idea of when to keep ignorant comments to yourself.

Posted by: SCtoDC | May 28, 2009 9:46 AM

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