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Kenneth Hutcherson
Pastor and Former NFL Player

Kenneth Hutcherson

Senior pastor of Antioch Bible Church and a former linebacker

No "Gay" in "Team"

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Football is like the army -- it's a battle field. In war you have to trust the guy that's next to you. Now, if a teammate has different views about what they're attracted to in the showers it's going to affect the team. It'll destroy the oneness.

Men are going to be more comfortable with other heterosexuals. It's like having a woman on the team or having a woman in the shower. How can you keep your mind on the game when you're thinking about running back to the showers? It would have a tremendous effect. It would be safer for the team and the individual if they didn't come out.

When you have a team worth millions and millions of dollars anything that would mess with the oneness must be removed from the team. Homosexuality is a very divisive issue -- it would affect the camaraderie.

It's not a civil rights issue like with racism -- there's no comparison. That's not even apples and oranges, that's like comparing apples to Chevys. Has a homosexual ever been considered 3/5ths of a person? Has a homosexual ever had to sit at the back of the bus? Has a homosexual ever had to use a different bathroom? I can't change being black... but there are a lot of people, especially in our churches, that have changed being gay.

I do think some players will come out sooner or later and everyone is going to be surprised about what the results are going to be. I remember when I was with Dallas and this one girl tried out for the team. She wasn't treated very well, but if you want to come and play for the team you're going to be treated like one of the boys. She only made it one day.

NFL teams are more about winning than anyone wants to admit. I don't care how great the player is, if he's bringing attention to the team he'll be let go. It is the same as players going to a club and shooting it up. They create a distraction to the oneness.

What if a guy went out for the girl's volleyball team? It's just commonsense... but I don't know why they call it commonsense anymore because it's not very common.

By Kenneth Hutcherson  |  June 17, 2009; 6:36 AM ET  | Category:  NFL Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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Shame on the Washington Post for printing this hate speech article. Would you print an article from the KKK? Despite what this bigot says, there is no difference. Shame!

Posted by: claudew1 | June 17, 2009 4:34 AM

I agree with Claude. Moreover, how can you even see this as a respectable topic for debate, in this day and age?

Awkward in the shower room? Maybe, but isn't it true that the women sports reporters get free access? I guess that's ok because they're female and attractive.

Now I'm going to push back a little - censor if you must: I think there's more than a little element of sexuality involved in the fan-player relationship as promoted by the NFL. What's that bizarre commercial where the fans start having drug withdrawal-type symptoms when they're cut off from their favorite player (not playerS, not TEAM - favorite PLAYER). Somebody help me out. Is it an ad for those life-size pinups - I mean posters?

What other sport designs its trunks in such a way as to show off the players' rear ends and "packages" to such loving effect, encourages lots of sensuous patting, encourages the cameras to lovingly showcase them? It's cheesecake, plain and simple!

Posted by: misfire | June 17, 2009 5:16 AM

"Has a homosexual ever been considered 3/5ths of a person? Has a homosexual ever had to sit at the back of the bus?"

This is worse than being made to sit at the back of the bus - you're saying we shouldn't be able to sit on the bus at all! Why should categories of jobs be off limits to homosexuals because you are too intolerant to feel comfortable around us? How is that not treating us as though we are somehow less than whole people, with lesser rights?

I'm sure you're aware that there it was a long time before society's attitudes towards African-Americans advanced far enough to them to be able to progress very far in sports, or serve in integrated, front-line military units and in so many other fields.

Guess what? We're catching up - whether you like it or not.

Posted by: Philberton | June 17, 2009 5:37 AM

What a sickening opinion — and no surprise that it comes from a pastor. If the people who attend Antioch had any decency, this Sunday, they would stand and turn their backs on Hutcherson to censure him. And "Misfire" was right: How is this even a legitimate issue? Because this bigot and others like him say so? Where is the Post's own moral backbone?

Posted by: rkenney720 | June 17, 2009 5:52 AM

There may be no "gay" in "team" - whatever that means - but there certainly is a lot of ignorance and hatred in Kenneth Hutcherson. I feel sorry for the members of his church.

Posted by: truamerican | June 17, 2009 6:08 AM

Kenneth,
I as a minister of the Gosel, I find your remarks both appalling and sexist. You think more highly of yourself if you think gay men would actually goggle you at you in the showers.

Maybe this says more about your attitude/treatment around women than it does about your uninformed rationale around homosexulaity.

The fact is you played with many gay men in athletics!!!!

Posted by: StevenDC | June 17, 2009 6:10 AM

Well shocker the bigot is a Cowboy.

" It is the same as players going to a club and shooting it up."


Did this ashat just compare being gay to going and committing a violent crime?

If you seriously have that big a problem with the way we do this whole tolerance and diversity thing in the USA, then maybe you should consider leaving.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 10:17 AM


This guy actually has a church? People follow him? If so, they must be uneducated, ignorant fools.

His disgusting, simplistic views like Kenneth's that make me pity people like him.

And he's a man of "god". I wish I could spit in his face.

Posted by: kenk3 | June 17, 2009 11:41 AM

Yuck, how offensive. I'm sure Jesus is really proud of this guy. I have news for the pastor - you can't change being gay.

And gays may not be counted as 3/5 of a person or forced to sit at the back of the bus, but they are certainly denied many rights the rest of us enjoy, such as the right to MARRY the person they love, and if Mr. Hucherson had his way, denied the right to participate in sports.

Being gay is the same as going to a club and shooting it up? Wow. I think the pastor might have hit his head one too many times back in the day...

Posted by: juliess31 | June 17, 2009 11:45 AM

"Has a homosexual ever had to use a different bathroom?"

You don't think homosexuals should be allowed in your lockeroom at all! You don't think gays should even exist!

Just because the discrimination gays suffer is different from the discrimination blacks suffered from during segregation, doesn't mean the current struggle for gay equality is any less a matter of civil rights.

Posted by: efs5r | June 17, 2009 11:46 AM

So the sausage worshipers are going after the pastor. I wonder if any of them played sports at a higher level, to where they might actually have the knowledge to form something other thana gay agenda talking point.

Posted by: ronjaboy | June 17, 2009 11:52 AM

Kenneth is a perfect example of how people how the most religious people tend to be the most disgusting and backward thinking.

Posted by: kenk3 | June 17, 2009 11:58 AM

Ronjaboy is right. That mean ole gay mafia is attacking the poor defenseless preacher. I'm sure Ronjaboy has played sports at a higher level, sports like naked spartan wrestling.

Posted by: MajorMelFunkshion | June 17, 2009 12:03 PM

As a straight guy I can safely say I have never once ever been worried about the sexuality of anyone else effecting my life. What does Kenneth Hutcherson have to hide?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 12:08 PM

Thank you, Kenneth, for standing up for righteousness and the truth. There is only ONE truth: God's truth, of course. 'Nuf said! I wish no harm to homosexuals, but I find their constant haranguing about "victim" status sickening. They deserve no special protection under the law. They have made a choice to live a certain lifestyle. Those who are female, or black, or a child, or Jewish, etc., had no choice in the matter. I wish that gays would just "keep it in the closet," instead of assaulting the rest of the world with their sexuality and waiting for vindication for their perverse lifestyle. On a final note, what about my "right" to be straight or to choose not to agree with their lifestyle?

Posted by: savedbyGrace1 | June 17, 2009 12:12 PM

"I can't change being black... but there are a lot of people, especially in our churches, that have changed being gay." This is the ignorance that explains how voters in California could flock to the polls to elect the first black president while voting to deny equal marriage rights to gay people. Of course you can't compare slavery with the way gays are treated in society today. But that doesn't make one form of bigotry wrong and another right. Bigotry isn't only a sin if it's race-based. Growing up, I imagine every school has at least that one kid with a slightly feminine demeanor, one who gets picked on as early as elementary school because the other kids recognize something different about them. Yes, blacks can't change being black. But the medical field would argue that gay people can't change being gay. Gayness isn't simply an act, but a part of a person's make-up, as with heterosexuals. Put another way, I could bleach my black hair to blond every day for the rest of my life, but it won't change the fact that my hair grows black. And telling me that I can only get a job if I change something fundamental in myself -- how is that acceptable in a free society?

Posted by: EWade | June 17, 2009 12:15 PM

SAVEDBYGRACE
You obviously have only a minimal education.

You're the type to believe in ghosts, gods, and angels.

You probably have several children you can barely afford and on an IQ test, I bet you'd score in the low 90s.

Posted by: kenk3 | June 17, 2009 12:16 PM

The field and the showers are different places. The locker area is open to female reporters, so that location is fair game for the players to be as modest or otherwise as they please. Do I think it's possible that the gay player can respect the other players enough to make comfortable shower arrangements, whether it means he uses his own stall or waits for the others to leave? YES, and it doesn't mean he can't play for the team and still be part of it. Part of being on a team is to work with all the parts. Some parts are a little quirky and adjustments are made. How hard is it? I'm sorry Sir, but you sound stupid to me. Not adult at all.

Posted by: digtalcomp | June 17, 2009 12:19 PM

This is a uneducated and ridiculous opinion but I'm shocked that so many readers are shocked. He's probably more representative of NFL players than we care to admit.

And has a gay person ever been forced to sit in the back of the bus? Kind of a narrow comparison - gay people have, however, been killed for being gay. Is that not enough of a stigma, Kenneth? Pathetic.

Posted by: tsheehan | June 17, 2009 12:27 PM

Methinks Kenneth Hutcherson doth protest too much.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has a nice, big collection of gay porn stashed in his closet.

Posted by: brickerd | June 17, 2009 12:27 PM

To each his or her own. have an openly gay brother who I love dearly. I am not sure why it is necessary to broadcast one's sexuality...who cares. I dont think that anyone should have to declear their preferences publicly,so why would it be necessary for the NFL to "make it ok"
BTW..
When it comes to the word "marriage", the defination specifies a man and a woman. I am infavor of keeping the original definition.

Posted by: fay627 | June 17, 2009 12:32 PM

The good Pastor doesn't consider gay rights the same as the civil rights battle of Blacks - how convenient

He goes on to say: "Football is like the army -- it's a battle field. In war you have to trust the guy that's next to you. Now, if a teammate has different views about what they're attracted to in the showers it's going to affect the team. It'll destroy the oneness."

Guess what Pastor, like the Army, football has gays and people next to them have learned to trust them - always have, always will

Just what kind of "Pastor" are you anyway, spewing this hateful nonsense?

Posted by: coloradodog | June 17, 2009 12:35 PM

Hutcherson's quest for a literal connection between the quest for gay rights proves that he is either ignorant or obstinant in his hatred for homosexuals. By asking if homosexuals were ever considered 3/5ths of a person he may as well ask "Have homosexuals every been descriminated against because of the color of their skin?" The answer, of course, is no, but that doesn't make claims of descrimination invalid. Held to that ridiculous standard, sexism and anti-semitism don't exist either.

And Hutcherson's claims that a homosexual in the locker room would hurt "camradery" are very sadly ironic. Those who hedged their opinions on Jackie Robinson worried about him becoming a "distraction". And yet, was that Robinson's fault? Was he responsible for the hatred and ignorance of others? How then can we hold a homosexual responsible for the "discomfort" of others.

The crux of Hutherson's "locker room" argument is that the right of straights to hate and separate themselves from gays is more important than the right of gays to live and work as they please. The paralell between black civil rights and gay civil rights that Hutcherson claims does not exist can be found in this obscene thought. While no specific number has been placed on the worth of a homosexual, homosexuals are clearly seen as less of a person than others.

Posted by: limeymcfrog | June 17, 2009 12:44 PM

Wikipedia this ridiculous "pastor" and you'll find he claimed to be a "Special Envoy" for the Bush Administration to an anti-gay conference in Latvia.

Hutcherson seems to be a pretty disgusting individual.

Posted by: kenk3 | June 17, 2009 12:45 PM

Thank you WaPo for publishing this man's opinion. It's important that Americans be aware of the Black Christian community's attitude towards gays.

Hopefully we are moving past the point where racial sensitivity prohibits calling a spade a spade. This "Pastor's" opinion is very widespread -- and we as a country need to move the gay rights issue to their turf.

("it's not a civil rights issue like with racism..." just amazing).

Posted by: ReginaldSmash | June 17, 2009 12:46 PM

C-dog, Hutcherson is the Pacific Northwest's version of Fred Phelps, the "God hates Fags" idiot. The local papers have learned to ignore him. I'm amazed the WaPo has allowed him to peddle his bigotry on their pages.

Posted by: MajorMelFunkshion | June 17, 2009 12:49 PM

congratulations on all your gay to straight conversions. i'm sure that's working wonderfully for these people.

Posted by: mofro | June 17, 2009 12:50 PM

Sadly, this ignorant and hateful perspective is likely shared by many others in the locker room, which is way gay athletes in team sports feel forced to hide their sexuality.

Posted by: JohninMpls | June 17, 2009 12:55 PM

The Rev. has a very narrow definition of civil rights, which would limit women, Latinos, and disabled persons. Of course gay people are under civil rights. They have been killed and hurt for their orientation, fired from jobs, lost homes, kept out of the country from loved ones, imprisoned. They have been denied the ability to associate at times or even go to churches. And yes, they have been told they cannot use some restrooms. Just 40 years ago, if someone was caught at a gay bar, police officers would call everyone to tell them that the person was gay. Families were destroyed; jobs were take away. Sure, most gay people you can't tell on the surface (some you can), but at least Afrrican-Americans don't have to hide. Gay people have been told to hide--to not be honest, to not have relationships, to not be real people. If you cannot see at all that sexual orientation is a civil rights issue, you are a bigot and idiot.

Posted by: fan4ad | June 17, 2009 1:02 PM

Mr. Hutcherson says: "I can't change being black... but there are a lot of people, especially in our churches, that have changed being gay."
Sir, what are you smoking? While gay people may not literally be "sitting at the back of the bus", after reading your comments, its clear you're working to achieve the same result.

Posted by: jaynashvil | June 17, 2009 1:07 PM

Take this horrific article down immediately. Shame on WaPo

Posted by: NYTReader1 | June 17, 2009 1:13 PM

I have seen many anti-gay comments before but this one is surely special. After reading Hutcherson's views, the first thought that comes to mind is, is this guy illiterate? How did he become a pastor? If he is so full of hate what is he preaching to his congregation? The man is not just homophobic but also sexist and really bad at arguing a case. 3/5th of a person? not being able to share a bathroom? How about not allowing someone's existence? That's worse than racism. Hutcherson you are an idiot but I wonder about the people who go to listen to you every Sunday even more. I hope after reading this article at least the women in your church turn their backs on you, since I am assuming no openly gay person goes there in the first place and if there are any closeted ones, they would see your true colors, and that's not meant to be racist.

Posted by: Lawrencer1 | June 17, 2009 1:15 PM

I dont think that openly gay players would hurt teams, but the fact is it would discourage owners from trading/drafting a player because it could cause a distraction.

Just like no team will touch Vick, because it would have PETA out in force and would end up being a distraction. And no, I am not saying being gay is like killing dogs. Who knows what wackos would come out to protest the team. In the end, no NFL team wants one player to disrupt the entire team, whether right or wrong. It is about money, and anything that could possibly affect earnings negatively will almost always be avoided.

This is a topic that is hard to touch, too many people have extreme views one way or another and there is no middle ground.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 1:19 PM

One other thing, if Hutcherson doesnt think he played with gay football players then he is truly living in his own fantasy world.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 1:26 PM

Wow, Hutcherson - have you been living under a rock? Yeah, homosexuals have been, and are nox, treated like 1/2 of a person - or less! - in many respects. In some countries they are strung up like strange fruit, too. Or simply butchered. And no, you can't change your sexual orientation, church or no church. I take it you are heterosexual - could you change to be gay? No. (If you can, you are bisexual and born that way.)

Shame on players for treating a girl bad. No manliness in that.

There are many closet gays in the army and they function very well, thank you, and they can actually go to battle without dreaming about the shower room. (What are you, a 16 year old boy?)

This is my new creed: Straights who can't function alongside gays are whimps and sissies.

(And yes, I am straight. But I have a brain, too.)

Posted by: asoders22 | June 17, 2009 1:26 PM

This man is such a joke. Why is it that the ugly dudes are always the ones fretting about gay guys checking them out in the showers?

Posted by: mmclaughlin1 | June 17, 2009 1:27 PM

"It's not a civil rights issue like with racism -- there's no comparison. That's not even apples and oranges, that's like comparing apples to Chevys. Has a homosexual ever been considered 3/5ths of a person? Has a homosexual ever had to sit at the back of the bus? Has a homosexual ever had to use a different bathroom? I can't change being black... but there are a lot of people, especially in our churches, that have changed being gay."

Kenneth, your sentiments sicken me. Um, no, churches have not turned gays straight. They merely have forced them to repress their feelings. Homosexuality is not a choice, just like being black isn't a choice.

Frankly, sir, I think you'd be wise to remember your history. Remember? Your ancestors were once slaves and seen as second class citizens. You were also segregated. Any black person that would oppose gay marriage and equal rights for homosexuals is a bloody hypocrite and need a history lesson... or 10.

Posted by: jromaniello | June 17, 2009 1:32 PM

I understand freedom of speech, but I cannot believe that the washingtonpost would post a response such as this one. His comments are absolutely absurd and you do not choose to be gay. You do not wake up one day and say to your self, "I like people of the same sex today".

I hope this guy has a son or daughter who turns out to be gay, what is he going to do then, disown his own child?

Absolutely pathetic.

Posted by: adreamer476 | June 17, 2009 1:40 PM

Civil rights are a HUMAN cause not just racial you mental midget.

"They came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

Posted by: mramitanand | June 17, 2009 1:40 PM

This man is just an egomaniacal media hound and we are feeding the monster by commenting. This is the issue that is making him famous, and despite his protestations that he is doing God's work (I think he thinks God talks to him directly, BTW), his true calling is self-promotion. The best thing we can all do is ignore him.

Posted by: mcnuss | June 17, 2009 1:41 PM

Thank you WaPo for publishing this man's opinion. It's important that Americans be aware of the Black Christian community's attitude towards gays.

Yo, ReginaldSmash you're not helping anything by spreading your particular brand of bigotry and hatred. This guy is an a$$clown and so are you.

Posted by: gken69 | June 17, 2009 1:42 PM

I don't agree that gay people should be banned from sports teams, professional or otherwise. But I resent the bigoted and ignorant comments of some of the gay rights advocates suggesting that people of faith have a low IQ, are uneducated, poor, etc. You only bring discredit to your cause by making such comments.

Posted by: cornflake | June 17, 2009 1:57 PM

On average, people of faith do tend to have less education and are poorer.

How can this comment be considered ignorant or bigoted if it is true?

Posted by: kenk3 | June 17, 2009 2:08 PM

Silly dmls2000, racism is for idiots. And is Hutch insinuating that Plax is gay?

Posted by: MajorMelFunkshion | June 17, 2009 2:08 PM

Tha gay posse is in tha house! Nothing but vituperation and ridicule for those that choose to disagree with the gay agenda.

Being gay isn't wrong. Performing gay sex is. You might not be able to stop being gay but you sure can stop where you put your d**k. And mincing and prancing.

Posted by: ronjaboy | June 17, 2009 2:08 PM

Simply disgusting & unChrist-like. The Post should be ashamed of itself for publishing such a hate-filled opinion. Will an article heralding African-Americans as non-human soon follow?

Posted by: pgbach | June 17, 2009 2:12 PM

In twenty years blog posts like these will be museum artifacts that show how shameful our thinking once was and how we strained logic to fulfill our need for 'sameness'.

Posted by: jpol1 | June 17, 2009 2:15 PM

Ronjabwoy: a true 'performer' you be

Posted by: dmls2000 | June 17, 2009 2:15 PM

I am not a gay man, so I can't possibly understand what they go through, closest I can get to is being persecuted for my political beliefs, and my choosing to not be religious, niter of which happens allot.

I think that we should just start taking away the tax rights and stuff for these churches that are fronts for a political agenda. Oh and their right to marry people.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 2:22 PM

Gays have and still are being burned alive for being gay, does that count?

Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | June 17, 2009 2:24 PM

"It's not a civil rights issue like with racism -- there's no comparison. That's not even apples and oranges, that's like comparing apples to Chevys"
Really? Really? WOW...last time I checked the rules YOU helped to change(thankfully I might add)...I as a human being should have the same rights as you. All that work/hate/death that was done to end discrimination...and yet YOU still choose to discriminate. Nice job guy!

Posted by: jeremynva | June 17, 2009 2:29 PM

Hutcherson's listed as a former NFL player. He says it's tough to play if your mind is not on the game. I would agree with that. Is that why he's a "former" player? He couldn't keep his mind off nookie and on the game?

Posted by: mickle1 | June 17, 2009 2:32 PM

The "reverend" (and I put quotes on there for a good reason) obviously never heard of Jerry Smith, who played 13 seasons for the Redskins and, on retirement in 1977, held the record for touchdown receptions with 60. He was also twice named to the Pro Bowl. And he was gay, tragically dying of AIDS in 1986. Ask fellow vets of George Allen's Over the Hill Gang if he was a good teammate.

Posted by: jhpurdy | June 17, 2009 2:33 PM

As a black gay man, I would be equally offended if I had to sit on the bus as well as denied the chance to marry. Just because I'm a guy doesn't mean I must go after every single man around me. Such an extreme doesn't exist for any rational person, gay or straight. Also, there is nothing gay or straight about catching a footballl, running the field, or making a touchdown. As long as someone plays well, there shouldn't be a problem.

Posted by: Minsu5 | June 17, 2009 2:35 PM

Let me clarify--Jerry Smith held the record for TDs by a tight end at the time he retired.

Posted by: jhpurdy | June 17, 2009 2:35 PM

The Pastor isnt saying gays shouldnt be in the NFL. He is just stating that they shouldnt be "out", as it will compromise the oneness that is critical to a teams chemistry and it is the chemistry that makes the difference between a winner and a wannabe winner. Agree with him or not, he is right on it!

Posted by: davemichelle07 | June 17, 2009 2:37 PM

I actually think it's beneficial to have Hutcherson's bigoted comments printed. I found it very empowering to see all of the comments denouncing his views. My hope is that this means that people like Hutcherson are in the vast minority and that more rational, compassionate people are willing to stand up against the crazies. I'm straight and married and fully support gay rights.

Posted by: messincm | June 17, 2009 2:37 PM

Look, this guy is coming from his strict biblical hatred of homosexuality. He embraces all the iditioc delusions such as that you can pray yourself straight.
Does he really want to get into a victimization contest when he asserts that being gay is not nearly the liability that being gay is? What does he know about being gay? Obviously he knows zero.
Why the Post decided to give him space in the name of "balance" is beyond me. But someday in the future just like the bigots who preached against integration and earlier justified slavery on the basis of their bible, whoever preaches at his church will have accepted homosexuals as fellow citizens and part of creation.

Posted by: gratianus | June 17, 2009 2:40 PM

As a gay man and dark in color, I am really ashamed to read what this so called man of religion has to say and apparently preaches. Being gay is as biological inate as being born black. And for you to spew such illinformed commentary on somthing you apparently know nothing about is a shame. It is folks like you Sir, that has destroyed any interest I have ever had in organized religion. You are truly pitiful.

Posted by: beverlyme | June 17, 2009 3:01 PM

This is so pathetic it's HILARIOUS!! This Hutcherson dude didn't know which card to play, so he threw them in all and called it 'BIGOT SOUP'....

he played the sex/attraction card (the gay dude is standing next to me, so now he wants me)....ABSURD.

he played the gender card.

he played the race card.

and then compared granting gay rights to violence/shooting up a club????

WHAT????


LOLOL!! Bros and Sis of Antioch Bible Church, if y'all support that bullshiggity that ya boy Hutch just put down, SHAME ON YOU. His voice represents YOU.

Posted by: KimAG | June 17, 2009 3:02 PM

What a clown. I guess if he is a true 'Christian' and believes what the Bible says, that blacks are 3/5th a person. Thank God he's a dying breed, just not dying fast enough.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | June 17, 2009 3:08 PM

Pastor, I assume that you wouldn't have a problem with a team deciding to keep openly christian players off the team. After all, how can I play football if I am concerned that my teammates are going to proslytize to me to get me to accept their religion. It would destroy the oneness of the team.

Since you may not see the point without me making it overt, let me explain; it's very easy to discriminate when your class is the majority, especially when you can make a "common sense" argument that an irrelevant issue is in fact relevant. I would hope that those of us with empathy and compassion might put ourselves in the thers' shoes.

As a black man, I'm surprised that you don't see how that argument can be used (and has been used throughout history) to keep black people out of restricted clubs, particular workforces, athletics (it hasn't been that long since Jackie Robinson, has it?) and similar situations.

And for you to claim that homosexuality is a choice; while I won't go into that one in detail, do you actually think that you could choose to be homosexual if there were benefits to you to do so?


I'm disapointed.

Posted by: bruce27 | June 17, 2009 3:16 PM

It interests me that, in his comments, Mr. Hutcherson uses the comparison of the struggles of Blacks and those of gays to argue that gays aren't in a fight for civil rights. Being both Black and gay, I will concur that the issues involved in these efforts can differ greatly in specific detail. It's a completely different experience when I feel discrimination for being Black than when I feel discrimination for being gay. What he seems to miss is that, when a group of people faces discrimination for no better reason than that they're different, their civil rights are being violated.

I also find the implications in what he says about showers intriguing. The question "How can you keep your mind on the game when you're thinking about running back to the showers?" indicates that, if gay men are around other men, all we can think about is having sex with them. I think one of the biggest problems that we gay men have always faced is that straight men can seem to stop thinking about the notion of gay men wanting to have sex with them. Like other human beings, gay men have countless other things to think about at any given time other than sex.

The final thing that I found very interesting was the statement that "Homosexuality is a very divisive issue -- it would affect the camaraderie." I would respond that self-fulfilling prophecies tend to be that way.

Posted by: swclowejr | June 17, 2009 3:35 PM

Has a homosexual ever been treated as 3/5 of a person? No, but they have been discriminated against in other ways; in fact, by writing this article you, sir, are not treating gays as human beings whatsoever - you are requesting that they suppress who they are, caging in their identities like chickens in a coop. This article is neither intelligent nor well-written and should not be considered in any way.

Posted by: nefron | June 17, 2009 3:38 PM

I want to respond to the smugly self-styled "SavedByGrace1". I am both Jewish and bisexual (read: I'm a man who likes men, as well as the occasional woman). I can tell you that being Jewish is a choice I make every day -- a lifestyle choice, if you will -- whereas my sexual orientation is not a choice.

I love it when the gay-haters predicate their entire arguments on this talking point they have that sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice. The talking point happens to be false, so we don't need to bother considering all the other nonsense they derive from it. Their entire hateful worldview is built on a house of cards that topples over the minute you look at it.

As for Ken Hutcherson, he is a well-known bigot in the greater Seattle community. He runs a hate church whose primary reason for existing seems to be injecting hate into the civic dialogue. He certainly preaches hate all the time. As far as I'm concerned, a hate church -- whether it's Hutcherson's or the Aryan Nations' or al Qaeda's or horrible radical Jews like the guy who shot Yitzhak Rabin -- might as well be Satanic. The Post should use the same analysis whether to give space to a sorry hate leader like Hutcherson that it does to decide whether to print the Aryan Nations' rants about hote Christianity. It doesn't matter whether you're a racist or a homophobe or an anti-muslim, or if you just want to randomly hate people who have a Z in their name. A hate church is a hate church.

Posted by: jdsher00 | June 17, 2009 3:42 PM

Seriously, if you printed a rant from the late Aryan Nations leader Richard Butler, would you label him a "Pastor" in print? Even though he went by Pastor Richard Butler? A hate church is a hate church.

Posted by: jdsher00 | June 17, 2009 3:44 PM

my God, how ignorant can you be? Shame on you

Posted by: mdnc | June 17, 2009 3:45 PM

So this is how WaPo celebrates pride month. Are you planning to publish an op-ed from some racist knuckledragger like Rush Limbaugh during Black History Month? The Post has long been worried about its rep as a liberal newspaper. It's Iraq war cheerleading should have helped end that. Publishing ignorant, bigoted trash like this seals it.

Posted by: thebuckguy | June 17, 2009 3:48 PM

QUOTE:

It's not a civil rights issue like with racism -- there's no comparison. That's not even apples and oranges, that's like comparing apples to Chevys. Has a homosexual ever been considered 3/5ths of a person? Has a homosexual ever had to sit at the back of the bus? Has a homosexual ever had to use a different bathroom? I can't change being black... but there are a lot of people, especially in our churches, that have changed being gay.

ENDQUOTE

Since when have homosexuals NOT been considered less than a whole person? To this day, people are beating, robbing, abusing, and MURDERING gay people because they're gay, or even because they THINK someone is gay.

Even before black people were made slaves in the Americas, gay people were being tortured and murdered across Europe, labeled witches and other "enemies" of the faith. Even today, in your so-called churches, pastors rant in violent terms against gay people, encouraging hatred and bigotry. So no wonder you have "conversions" in your "churches" - if anyone had to endure listening to a litany of how awful they were every sunday, they'd "change" too - but it's a change in name only.

So before you get on your high horse, make sure there's a ladder to get you there, because your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Posted by: s_davisclp | June 17, 2009 3:50 PM

The minister doth protest too much, methinks.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 17, 2009 3:58 PM

Shame on the Washington Post for publishing this. Also, this man is gay. I feel so bad for people who think this way. I'm embarrassed for them.

Posted by: rrayolite | June 17, 2009 4:02 PM

Rev. Mr. Hutcherson, there've been gays in the locker room all along. Does no one any longer recall Jerry Smith (Redskins, 1965-77), who died of AIDS? True, he never formally "came out," but the public knew and still liked him.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 17, 2009 4:08 PM

"They have made a choice to live a certain lifestyle. Those who are female, or black, or a child, or Jewish, etc., had no choice in the matter."

1) You're incorrect. A person can convert to Judaism. Does that mean discrimination against Jews is okay?

2) Prove, beyond any doubt, that somebody chose to be gay. Also, include when you decided to be not gay. How you weighed the pros and cons.

Without proof, your views are based on prejudice.

Posted by: AngloAm | June 17, 2009 4:37 PM

"It is the same as players going to a club and shooting it up. They create a distraction to the oneness."

What is?

Being gay? Loving is the same as mass murder?

This is blasphemy and heresy and evil. Your church must be a horrible place.

Posted by: AngloAm | June 17, 2009 4:39 PM

I agree with you. If there is any place to stay in the closet, this is it.

Posted by: oracle2world | June 17, 2009 4:43 PM

This is by far the most ignorant and hatred fill article I have read in ages. Go to church to stop being what God intended you to be? For we are all created equal in the eyes of the Lord. God truly must be reading this article and regretting his decision not to strike down this fool with forty days and nights of rain to stop his ignorance from being.

Posted by: pcca | June 17, 2009 4:49 PM

From you ridiculous title to your silly panic about 'oneness' being ruined this post is a joke. So straight guys would not have any distractions? They never fight over girls or get distracted by the cheerleaders or female fans?

Just because you are defining these people by their sexuality does not mean that they are driven only by that. There could be out-of-control gay players, but you are grossly mistaken to declare they would be inherently so. Once people get used to gays being around these concerns will quickly be disproved. This is why your claims are so tenuous as to be laughable. Really laughable... like the Detroit Lions.

Posted by: BS-DC | June 17, 2009 4:53 PM

Mr. Hutcherson, as a black man, you ought to be ashamed!

Learn from history, because you're obviously doomed to repeat it!

"No brutality, no infamy, no degradation in all the years of southern slavery, possessed such villainious character and such atrocious qualities as the provision of the laws of Illinois, Massachusetts, and other states which allow the marriage of the negro, Jack Johnson, to a woman of Caucasian strain. [applause]. Gentleman, I offer this resolution ... that the States of the Union may have an opportunity to ratifty it. ... Intermarriage between whites and blacks is repulsive and averse to every sentiment of pure American spirit. It is abhorrent and repugnant to the very principles of Saxon government. It is subversive of social peace. It is destructive of moral supremacy, and ultimately this slavery of white women to black beasts will bring this nation a conflict as fatal as ever reddened the soil of Virginia or crimsoned the mountain paths of Pennsylvania. ... Let us uproot and exterminate now this debasing, ultra-demoralizing, un-American and inhuman leprosy."

Congressional Record, 62d. Congr., 3d. Sess., December 11, 1912, pp. 502–503.

Posted by: jzacuto | June 17, 2009 4:54 PM

And this coming from a "man of God." How disgusting. Someone needs to educate this pathetic buffoon that being gay is as biological a skin color. I guess being in the NFL and being a preacher does not make one an educated individual. And shame on the Post for printing this hate-filled rant. Will you do the same for someone from the KKK?

Posted by: clintatl | June 17, 2009 5:03 PM

Oh... and nice job providing a link to his hateful church's website Post! Why don't you just pass the collection plate for him.

Posted by: clintatl | June 17, 2009 5:06 PM

jzacuto, Are you aware that Hutcherson's is white?

Posted by: MajorMelFunkshion | June 17, 2009 6:10 PM

If this is what sells newspapers, no wonder newspapers don't sell. Take on some completely hackneyed proposition like gays in sports and do the "fair and balanced" number with a bigot, this is your idea of public service?

Posted by: fzdybel | June 17, 2009 6:11 PM

Sorry, screwed up the previous post:
jzacuto, Are you aware that Hutcherson's wife is white?

Posted by: MajorMelFunkshion | June 17, 2009 6:11 PM

If differences destroy team unity, what happens when one guy thanks Jesus for the touchdown, but another guy wants to thank Allah? Or the offensive line? Who's right, and who's divisive? Who is it okay to discriminate against?

Posted by: northgs | June 17, 2009 6:16 PM

The author's views in this article express much of the ignorance that currently runs rampant among much this generation of Americans. Where do I start:

1. Homosexuality is not a choice. I am gay and it is my nature to be this way. Whether genetics or a physiological trait, this is the way I was born. In other words, God created me like this. Just like he created some people who are black. I cannot change it! The folks who you have changed do NOT speak for me or represent me! It has been my observation that those that like to think that homosexuality is a choice, do so to justify their discrimination and bigotry to themselves.

2. It is discrimination: gender based and sexual orientation based discrimination. If you treat a homosexual different, preventing him/her from an opportunity based on this natural/genetic trait, it is discrimination.

3. The team and society in general loses if naturally gifted players (who are gay) are not encouraged to play. A gifted gay player may not want to be subjected to a homophobic/hostile environment and may decide not to play.

This is an issue that continues to evolve as our nation matures toward a more perfect union. Like our nation's ability to elect a 'Black' President, we will one day see openly gay athlete be able to play on professional teams without it being of any consequence!

Posted by: FreedomLvr1 | June 17, 2009 6:21 PM

No "Jesus" in "Pastor Kenneth Hutcherson"

Not a civil rights issue like racism? Seriously? Did you take one too many hard hits to the head on the gridiron?

You are making the same arguments that racists and bigots have always made. God made "them" different, "they" can't be trusted, "they" are so much unlike "us" that "they" need to be talked about as "they."

You ask ridiculous questions pastor. Gay men and women have been burned at the stake, put in concentration camps, enslaved (yes buddy, enslaved), and all manner of persecution. Read a history book.

Your editorial disproves your own point. We shouldn't be making a comparison of apples to apples, but HUMAN to HUMAN.

As an African American one has no singular or collective claim to a history of persecution. Shame on you!

Moreover, are you actually a follower of Jesus of Nazareth? Did they misspell Antichrist Baptist Church in your bio line? Are you really arguing the importance of millions of dollars over the value of your brothers and sisters? Hypocrite.

You should be embarrassed by your public display of outright ignorance, and ashamed of your shoddy portrayal of a disciple of Jesus.

Please get the log out of your eye before you offer any more advice. You're being destructive, and I pray for you.

Posted by: arbiterveritas | June 17, 2009 6:27 PM

As an African-American gay male, a part of me is embarassed by the ignorant, uninformed and provincial comments by this "panelist" (btw: what is the criteria for serving on this panel?...anyway, I digress), but then I have to remind myself that the black community is no more immune to stupidity relative to society as a whole. Please crawl back into your crave! FYI, the "ex gay" members of your congregation are still gay...

Posted by: mykaladrian | June 17, 2009 6:29 PM

"I understand freedom of speech, but I cannot believe that the washingtonpost would post a response such as this one...."

Ummm...I agree that the Rev's comments are pathetic and horribly out of touch with reality and science (imagine that from a fundie Christian!), but if WaPo posters understand freedom of speech as they say they do, and still post these kinds of comments anyway....then some folks need to rethink their "understanding" of freedom of speech. Or would you rather live in certain other countries where it is illegal to say "bad things" unless you're the government? If so, Voltaire has something to say about offensive speech. I'd much rather people like this crawl out from under their rocks and let us know EXACTLY where they stand instead of striking from the shadows or talking behind our backs. I'm a straight, 51 yr old, white, Texas scientist who doesn't believe in imaginary friends in the sky, or telling someone who they can or can't love, but I want to know of those who hate or don't agree with me if for no other reason than to watch my back around them.

Posted by: flswampwolf | June 17, 2009 6:48 PM

I can only imagine how it must sicken veterans to have a man like this compare football, a game people begin to play at 8 or 9 years old, and make millions playing as adults, with the life and death struggle of war.

I don't know what he does or doesn't know about football or human sexuality but clearly he knows nothing about combat.

Posted by: dwiles | June 17, 2009 6:51 PM

No Privacy In The Locker Room: Keep it simple, why should being a team mean a shower room group expose for the reporters and folks you have no comfort with? In California, wrestling is coed but the locker rooms are separate. Hey, if the Rev. wants his privacy-- what's the diff?
sorry if that means fewer peeks by the feminique word smiths.

Posted by: thealaskan | June 17, 2009 7:27 PM

It's weird this guy even posted something so silly about football. Football isn't national defense. Based on the poster's rationale, the presence of gay people anywhere would lower "morale". My McD's meal won't be served as effectively if a gay guy is part of the service process because "the team" will be uncomfortable, etc., etc.

Truth is, gays are invisible to most str8 guys, and even if they come out, it's a minor moment of recognition or not, followed by a return to each person getting on with things. A person has a right to disapprove of whatever, but to really get worked up about it, that's weird.

Posted by: Matthew_DC | June 17, 2009 9:42 PM

Oh Yea! And from a black pastor.

Talk like that amoungst whites might just rejuvenate the white supremist movement. Did you have a difficult time making up your mind to vote for Obama?

Discrimenation in any form is "WRONG."

Boots

Posted by: newsofal | June 17, 2009 9:48 PM

This man doesn't have a clue! It is unfortunate that the Washington Post provided him an outlet for his bias and uninformed perspective. When I'm showering my focus is on getting clean. When I'm in bed with my lover my focus where you would expect. Professionals focus on what is expected of them under the circumstances, and the same applies to professional in team sports!

Just because he considers himself a man of God doesn't necessarily make in one, nor should it add any weight to his sexually bias venom.

In my own personal experience folks who go on and on about things wrong with other folks are trying to divert attention from their own closet lifed.

Posted by: lairb7 | June 17, 2009 10:23 PM

Whoa. Who'd have ever thought a macho male linebacker type would be scared to take a shower?

Add my vote to those of others who are appalled that the Post actually printed this.

Posted by: mamapanda | June 17, 2009 10:42 PM

Thank you Pastor for being a man that is not afraid to tell the truth.
Why is it that when a Christian man or woman talk about anything that the bible says is wrong considered a bigot? I don't see any of the Christians be hateful or verbally assaulting anyone. So why is it acceptable for the rest of the you to throw hateful comments towards Christians? And our opinion is considered "hateful"?
If any of you know anything about God's word he states in many different books in the bible that homosexuality is not acceptable to him either, so does this make God a bigot too? I think not.

I being a former athlete myself and a Christian understand what pastor Hutch is saying. Why if being gay is how you are born why do many turn away from this lifestyle. Yes it is true many have turned away from it, I have seen 2 friends turn from this lifestyle after being involved in it for nearly 20 years. I being born white can't change this either however I do have the ability to make lifestyle changes, and the lifestyle of being gay is a choice.

Pastor keep up the good work and remember they crucified Jesus too,

Posted by: coachj1 | June 17, 2009 11:03 PM

Why do many of these posts think that a gay man lusts after every male he sees? As a heterosexual, I have been to school with, been at the pool and playing fields and worked with thousands of women. Many, in my eyes were desireable and got a second glance. The NFL already has a number of homosexual males who, like those involved in other professions, do not wear it on their sleeves. Homosexuals will soon be accorded the rights which are theirs and we had all better get accustomed too it. There are no alternatives. Incidentally, some of the scariest people I know are self proclaimed heterosexuals.

Posted by: Draesop | June 17, 2009 11:07 PM

To coachJ1, who wrote: "Why is it that when a Christian man or woman talk about anything that the bible says is wrong considered a bigot?"

Reply: Because, in this case, he is. He is hypocritical, and so are (I am sorry) you. The Bible says many crazy things you'd never consider to obey, but this 3000 year old command - which, btw, Jesus never even mentioned - you are obsessed with and hiding behind to be able to discriminate against your fellow human. Just because you feel like it.

The pastor is the one being hateful. He offends innocent people, and they react. And no, nobody who is gay can change. They can try to deny their inner self, but that is a cruel thing do demand. Why on earth should they? Those who demand it, hardly act in the spirit of true Christianity.

Posted by: asoders22 | June 17, 2009 11:21 PM

Oh my god dude... I have to say, I mean I'm usually the first one out there saying "yes, you are a bigot" but this time... I just - I mean, clearly the man has a problem. A deap seated fear of the locker room reach-around. I mean... yikes. Get some help man. It's ok. We're not all out to get you.

Posted by: jove4015 | June 17, 2009 11:37 PM

And you're a preacher... no, no this is all just too wrong. Please, before trying to help others find Jesus, find out why you're so obsessed with the showers.

Posted by: jove4015 | June 17, 2009 11:40 PM

Why would anyone, let alone the Washington Post, care what this idiot has to say?

Posted by: benkawaller | June 17, 2009 11:54 PM

There are plenty of teams where gays are participating and open and the "oneness" and "camaraderie" of the team is not threatened. These exemplary teams are professional, high level NCAA, Olympic, main stream sports and we cheer for them all the time.

Check out most women's teams. USA Soccer for one.. WNBA for two... shall I go on?

They've been doing it for years and interestingly enough, there are no problems in the showers.

I can't believe this viewpoint is printed in the Post. They should be embarrassed. It's an abomination.

Posted by: jd00 | June 18, 2009 2:34 AM

Gay proponents are hypocritical and unable to render intellectual argument to opposing views when they criticize comments like Hutcherson.
Hutcherson correctly identified the team as requiring uniformity and single mindedness to achieve success.
Homosexuality serves to undermine uniformity and singlemindedness, ecspecially for heterosexual males.

Homosexuality is NOT a visible
characteristic. Its a choice of behavior which is normally reserved for privacy. It has no place on the field or in the team dynamic. So why is it advocated as a public image?

There's another thing going on here: a 'war' against male role models that reenforce heterosexual male identity. Its a concerted effort to deconstruct every facet of heterosexual identity to advance homosexual interests. It should be noted that the leading advocates of this agenda and the gay movement are not a disadvantaged, underprivileged, discriminated class. They are white males who choose their gay lifestyle to be their defining identity. But they are still white males with all the same privileges, advantages, opportunities.

It IS NOT EQUAL to being black. Black is merely a benign characteristic which does not require certain behavior or image.


Posted by: Usama1 | June 18, 2009 3:53 AM

Meanwhile, gays troll public toilets making any man going there a pawn in their sick sexual games. Police have to spend tax dollars to stakeout gay trolling places because it impacts quality of life in so much that grown straight men cant use the toilet without being sexually proposed. Larry Craig, anyone? George Michael got caught 2 times doing this.
I was hiking with my 3 year old son and wife in a park in Virginia along the Potomac and gay men were engaging with each other in broad daylight in a public park. Such behavior is deviant and defies normal standards, which lends to the idea of deconstructing and replacing the heterosexual as the norm.

Proponents make it seem gays are just another race? Except gay men are 17 times more likely to contract anal cancer then straight men. Of a sample of 5300 gay men in 6 cities, 517 had HIV and 70% didn't know it. Syphillis, Gonnorhea, Chlamydia are all increasing in cities such as NYC due to the conduct of gay men.

Posted by: Usama1 | June 18, 2009 4:08 AM

USAMA... that is the most hateful and perverted string of words I've read in a long time. Quite frankly, it doesn't deserve a reasoned response, but just in case your hogwash has had any impact, here we go.

"There's another thing going on here: a 'war' against male role models that reenforce heterosexual male identity. Its a concerted effort to deconstruct every facet of heterosexual identity to advance homosexual interests."

These are the words of a person with a paranoid disorder. Seek counseling for the good of your neighbors and children. Homosexuals want nothing else than to live their lives.

Your anecdote about the gay couple in the park is strange... Either their conduct was completely inappropriate and therefore would have been just as inappropriate if they were a man and a woman, or they were just a regular couple displaying affection which means that the only problem is the intolerance in your heart. It has nothing to do with their sexuality.

And your ridiculous argument about prostitution, promiscuity, and STDs ignores the fact that all such behaviours occur in hetersexuals as well! One could use similar statistics about STDs and the black community to prove that they are "immoral", and several ignorant, hateful souls do. One could also quote the level of spousal abuse and rape among heterosexuals to argue that they are immoral. But such exercises are meaningless. Homosexuals are not responsible for the problems in your life. And seek counseling, seriously.

Posted by: limeymcfrog | June 18, 2009 8:27 AM

Has a homosexual ever been considered 3/5ths of a person? Has a homosexual ever had to sit at the back of the bus? Has a homosexual ever had to use a different bathroom?
___________________________
Kenneth you are stupid, and it's people like you why I dont go to church. Gays and lesbians may not have been subject to those forms of discrimination but we have been discriminated against nonetheless. Moreover, I believe I have the authority to say that discrimination against gays and lesbians IS a civil rights issue. I'm a black gay man.

BTW I was openly gay in high school, played sports and no one cared. How the hell did you become a pastor preaching all that hate?

Posted by: capitalist1 | June 18, 2009 10:10 AM

Hopefully, Kenneth will have the same fate as Reggie White and die an early death.

The world would've been a better place if Reggie White died sooner than he did.

Posted by: kenk3 | June 18, 2009 10:13 AM

After hundreds of years of slavery under Christian slave masters, some black people like Hutcherson say "slave master's religion is good, it keeps people down, I like it, I join." He's a real bright guy! Perhaps he was hit in the head too many times during those football years. He doesn't seem to know that not too long ago he would have been barred from the NFL and segregated in the army so as not to affect team cohesiveness, oneness and camaraderie! Hutcherson is a prime example of how bad education can be in this country. See Mike Freeman's commentary for a more honest assessment of football's homophobia.

Posted by: bob2davis | June 18, 2009 10:20 AM

Why do people think the opinion of a cleric is any better than anyone else? Religion, the worst thing that ever happened to the human race. The KKK and other white supremacists often use the bible to justify their hate of blacks and Jews. This clown is no different. I have a life long friend who is gay and one of the smartest and toughest people I have ever known. He served with distinction in Army Intelligence. I would trust him with my life before I would this less than intelligent bigot with anything.

Posted by: chopin224 | June 18, 2009 10:22 AM

What a truly ignorant piece.

Football is not like the Army. It's a game, nothing more - nothing less. The players don't risk their lives or go home in caskets after it's over.

Every paragraph of this homophobic senseless article is like reading a child's laundry list of grievances against his parents.

Kenneth - your not a writer and when you try to put your bigoted views to paper it just makes you look like an ignorant tool.

Posted by: 8-man | June 18, 2009 10:28 AM

COACHJ1,

Are you ready for the hard truth... Your religion, your god, is one of violence, hate and intolerance.
Its not the only one, nor is it all of Christianity. Muslims, Jews and even Atheists have problems too.
The sooner you can accept that, the better off you will be.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 10:34 AM

The idea that an openly gay player is going to make a move on a fellow teammate, or even try to catch an eyeful, in an NFL locker room full of players, coaches, trainers, reporters (many of whom are women), etc while he knows everyone is looking for just that kind of behavior is kind of laughable.

The problem with “the shower” myth is that it reverses who is truly at risk.

As open gay ex-NFLer Esera Tuaolo and Dave Kopay have pointed out many times, the real threat to an openly gay player is violence on the field from from other players not from an openly gay team member just trying to make it through another practice/game without a career of life threatening injury.

Posted by: badlydrawnbear | June 18, 2009 3:28 PM

"Has a homosexual ever been considered 3/5ths of a person? Has a homosexual ever had to sit at the back of the bus? Has a homosexual ever had to use a different bathroom?"

yes! there are black homosexuals. this black vs gay divide is disingenuous.

Posted by: leonardhatred | June 18, 2009 4:08 PM

stupid black man

Posted by: dmls2000 | June 18, 2009 6:31 PM

I have read all of the responses and I have come up with the question.
If I/we as Christians are the hateful, close minded and as one said violent, then someone please tell me why the only ones that seem to throw hateful comments are the ones who are standing up for the gay community?
No where did Pastor Hutch or myself say we hate gays or say we wish they would die an early death, all that has been said towards Pastor Hutch has been hateful and violent.

No where have I said I hate the gay community all I and Pastor Hutch have said is "we don't approve of the lifestyle. I don't hate the sinner, I just hate the sin.
I am a coach and have coached and am coaching athletes that proclaim to be gay, I don't treat them any different than any other athlete I coach. Do I agree with their life style? No I don't just because I don't agree with a certain lifestyle this makes me a bigot, or closed minded? I'm not hear writing this to try and change anyone's mind or opinion towards the gay community or any other community. I am however wanting to point out that once again the only ones who are throwing hateful comments towards anyone is not Pastor Hutch, myself or anyone else who has stated that they agree with Pastor Hutch.


Posted by: coachj1 | June 18, 2009 7:37 PM

CoachJ, comparing homosexual acts to acts of violence is hateful. And exclusionary speech is hateful no matter how politely it is phrased.

Do you and Hutcherson really believe that homosexuality is a choice? Do you believe that it is only your sense of morality and not a biological reaction that keeps you from intimate acts with another man? I am straight and was born so. I feel no urge to kiss or engage in intimate acts with a man. My "choice" of heterosexuality is not moral one, and I do not feel morally superior to others because I have made it. It strikes me as terribly self-serving and dishonest to take credit for a decision that was predetermined for me at birth.

To those who seek, through religion, a path to self-aggrandizement, may I remind you of the words of a dangerous leftist:

"Beware of practicing your piety before others in order to be seen by them; for then you have no reward from your Father in heaven" Matthew 6:1

Posted by: limeymcfrog | June 19, 2009 2:02 AM

Coach J,

You can take your Christian mumbo-jumbo and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

We all know why you like to hang out around young male athletes though... do you think about them as you're drifting off to sleep?

Posted by: kenk3 | June 19, 2009 10:38 AM

OMG! I have never been more irritated than I am right now!! This is the biggest crock of poo I have ever heard! Why is it okay for people to point fingers and condem someone for their choice in their lifestyle? Oh, wait, it's not! You are not God and only he can judge. Besides, if you are so worried about team players thinking about his sexuality rather than the game, maybe you have the wrong people on the team. It is their job to play regardless of the sexuality of their teammates. And more to that matter, not every homosexual male wants every male they see. Get over yourself! I am a catholic married mother of four. I have no issue with homosexuals. I never have and never will. Why should I? Oh, that's right, I am comfortable with myself. I hope that someday all of these "haters" will find the real God. God does not hate, so why should we? I think that it is awesome that people can be true to themselves and who they are.

Posted by: littleone0409 | June 23, 2009 11:20 AM

OMG! I have never been more irritated than I am right now!! This is the biggest crock of poo I have ever heard! Why is it okay for people to point fingers and condem someone for their choice in their lifestyle? Oh, wait, it's not! You are not God and only he can judge. Besides, if you are so worried about team players thinking about his sexuality rather than the game, maybe you have the wrong people on the team. It is their job to play regardless of the sexuality of their teammates. And more to that matter, not every homosexual male wants every male they see. Get over yourself! I am a catholic married mother of four. I have no issue with homosexuals. I never have and never will. Why should I? Oh, that's right, I am comfortable with myself. I hope that someday all of these "haters" will find the real God. God does not hate, so why should we? I think that it is awesome that people can be true to themselves and who they are.

Posted by: littleone0409 | June 23, 2009 11:23 AM

OMG! I have never been more irritated than I am right now!! This is the biggest crock of poo I have ever heard! Why is it okay for people to point fingers and condem someone for their choice in their lifestyle? Oh, wait, it's not! You are not God and only he can judge. Besides, if you are so worried about team players thinking about his sexuality rather than the game, maybe you have the wrong people on the team. It is their job to play regardless of the sexuality of their teammates. And more to that matter, not every homosexual male wants every male they see. Get over yourself! I am a catholic married mother of four. I have no issue with homosexuals. I never have and never will. Why should I? Oh, that's right, I am comfortable with myself. I hope that someday all of these "haters" will find the real God. God does not hate, so why should we? I think that it is awesome that people can be true to themselves and who they are.

Posted by: littleone0409 | June 23, 2009 11:25 AM

This guy is an idiot. All gay men are lusting after him and other men? What a joke. I guess all black men lust after white women and fried chicken? There is no black, white nor asain in team either. Folks always want to quote the bible and condemn gays, while they fornicate, lie and judge others. The bible makes a great club. Club thy neighbor. Don't love him.

Posted by: rcvinson64 | June 23, 2009 11:25 AM

This guy is an idiot. All gay men are lusting after him and other men? What a joke. I guess all black men lust after white women and fried chicken? There is no black, white nor Asian in team either. Folks always want to quote the bible and condemn gays, while they fornicate, lie and judge others. The bible makes a great club. Club thy neighbor. Don't love him.

Posted by: rcvinson64 | June 23, 2009 11:27 AM

This guy is an idiot. All gay men are lusting after him and other men? What a joke. I guess all black men lust after white women and fried chicken? There is no black, white nor Asian in team either. Folks always want to quote the bible and condemn gays, while they fornicate, lie and judge others. The bible makes a great club. Club thy neighbor. Don't love him.

Posted by: rcvinson64 | June 23, 2009 11:28 AM

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