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Riggo overstepped

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This hurts John Riggins' legacy. Oh, sure, the truly rabid will hold him up as the voice of the disenchanted fan. But when Riggo goes into "bad guy" and "this person's heart is dark," and doesn't explain personal, heavy insult like that against Snyder, he runs the risk of alienating the on-the-fence person who always wondered why the most popular player in franchise history seems to be so emotionally wounded.

I mean, until he explains exactly why he feels that way, it's just out there in the ether. And at some point, when it gets that personal.

By Mike Wise  |  November 6, 2009; 12:48 AM ET  | Category:  Washington Redskins Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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Oh, for pity's sake! Get real! Riggins has always been the bluntest, funniest and most honest player-turned-analyst out there. He was simply stating the truth: Snyder is a bad owner and a thoroughly rotten businessman. Any owner who goes after the team's fans and destroys them financially is a jerk. I suppose that if he was smart enough to put together a management staff that could field a decent team his many failings would be forgivable. But he can't because he's a tyrannical little nothing with no clue how to run a football team.

Riggins was right to call Snyder out and you suck-ups in the press, whose careers depend on access to the tiny terror, have no credibility when attacking him. As for damage to Riggins' legacy, don't make me laugh. A Hall of Fame running back who is one of the most beloved players ever to wear a Skins uniform will hardly be damaged by criticizing the worst owner the team has ever suffered. It's Snyder whose legacy -- of losing seasons, dissension and attacks on the team's loyal fans -- you ought to be whining about.

Posted by: xenophile | November 6, 2009 3:57 AM

Mike,

To be fair, you've consistently defended Dan Snyder.

From my viewpoint, the way you view Riggins as "extreme", I view you as extreme because you won't state the obvious and you defend Snyder to keep your press pass to the game.

Riggins just doesn't want free tickets that's all, so he's telling the truth as best an ex-jock can.

I think he has more credibility than you because he isn't beholden to Snyder.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | November 6, 2009 5:18 AM

Straight talk is not considered a virtue in this town. I believe the only ones who are offended at Riggos comments are the easily offended metro-sexuals who need a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down.

Riggo speaks his mind, he knows his football and is a Redskin 100% to the core. Lil Danny clearly thinks of himself the same way but Riggo has a clue about what he doesn't know. Ever get that impression from the front office?

Danny is a marketing person, not a business builder and he (along with Vinny Smithers) doesn't have a clue how to compete in the current NFL. Just look at how they change their schemes year after year to accommodate their latest huge free-agent signing. Offensive linemen aren't sexy so the Dan/Smithers brain trust won't waste a valuable marketing opportunity/money on any of the very important big-uglies that are so important to a winning team.

Posted by: Leofwine | November 6, 2009 7:32 AM

Some disenchanted fans!!!!!!

That would be about 85% of the base, or more

Riggo is always been up front and honest, go Riggo,he is right about everything

Case in point: Have had 6 lower level tickets in the family since 1965. We started using the tickets in 1988 Got fed up (won't even go into the costs and fiascos every Sunday in Snyderland, Fed-ex) and hiring Zorn was the last straw. Anyone could see he had no business being a head coach (except the behind kissing press)

Turned our tickets back into the Skins, right after that so have not had them for the 2008 and 2009 season. Every time we see those clowns come on TV we thank god we gave up the tickets.

We figured could watch on hi def and if really wanted to go to a game get on ebay and buy tickets. Guess what? We have never had the desire to go to a game and have stopped worrying about watching them on TV. If we miss the game so what? It will just be 3 hours of incompetence causing fustrating us and putting us in a bad mood for the day.

Thank god for fantasy football, now we have our own team to root for. If it was not for fantasy football would be pulling our hair out by now. I recommend it to all fans. This year I am actually taking players on teams playing the skins, (in a salary cap league so can change every week) I am doing very well!!

Posted by: kathymac1 | November 6, 2009 7:33 AM

Mike i think you are in the minority in regards to your opinion about Riggo. He's no O.J. Simpson. Just like 'Manny being Manny', Riggo is who he is and makes no apologies for it. During his playing years in Washington, he was a joy to watch on the field because he gave 100% everytime he touched the ball. Some unflattering comments about a despicable meddling owner will never change that. I hope you're just taking the other side just to play devil's advocate, because your argument is weak.

Posted by: ralston21 | November 6, 2009 7:43 AM

Mike,
Snyder may be a good employer, but he's been a first class jerk to the fans. If you consider his shrinking the size of the club level seats, charging $25 for short shuttle rides, requiring 400 section ticket holders to buy the tailgate package in order to move down to the lower bowl, charging to attend training camp, in addition to the many other actions he's taken to squeeze every last dollar out of the fans, you really can't conclude that Riggo's comments were over the top. You’re just plain wrong on this one.

Posted by: BlueIguana | November 6, 2009 8:11 AM

You're missing the obvious. Snyder sues old people not because he has to but because he can. To call him a person with a "dark heart," is putting it nice in my book. Everybody wants Riggo to articulate his claims; come on people his had A LOT of hits to the head, he's not going articulate that well but we get the point.

Posted by: doesntmatter | November 6, 2009 8:41 AM

Don't say anything? Reminds me of days of segregation "Don't complain it will get better some day" hes just saying what every one feels and knows , remember snider is the guy that charged kids 10 bucks for mini camp the only owner to do so. Snider is not mentally stable banning signs? you outher people here that and think your joking.

Posted by: thomasuras | November 6, 2009 9:02 AM

Synder has been pushing the fans away since day 1 of ownership. He counters with overpaying aged players of course, but the fact remains the "Fan" has been getting the shaft from Ownership since Synder bought this team. Beginning with the stadium experience & let me highlight a few items compared to RFK: $35 for parking, no food or drink (even water) allowed, high priced and poor quality food, restricted tailgating, increased cost of tickets, etc. To the new policy of no signs and what your shirt says. The screws have slowly been turning on the fans and we are BITTER. Who is responsible for screwing the fans? Dan Snyder. For you to say Riggo overstepped is a delusional statement. What Cool aid are you drinking?

Posted by: skinsfan441 | November 6, 2009 9:07 AM

Wise,

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, it seems like you are positioning yourself to potentially get on the Skins payroll, like those sycophant jack-a$$es Larry Michaels and Larry Weisman. It's a tough economy and I guess some people with minimal integrity do what they need to do. Kind of like Brian Mitchell prior to the Eagles game totally selling out to Snyder after criticizing him forever.

A more dispassionate and objective analysis may conclude some to view this more nefariously: God forbid you criticize "one of your own".

Posted by: c_e_daniel | November 6, 2009 9:24 AM

Don't you need a heart before it can be dark?

Posted by: mthecommish1960 | November 6, 2009 9:27 AM

Mike Wise is a pansy and a suck-up. I've read Mike's articles, most of which seem to be written with Dan Snyder looking over his shoulder.

Posted by: beenthere3 | November 6, 2009 9:28 AM

Mike

I don't think your a Snyder apologist or defend him in any way. After yesterday's awkward interviews on your radio show, I have more respect for you actually. But, back to the Diesel v. Snyder ordeal. I don't think we should expect a follow up from Riggo, and to be honest, he shouldn't have to. He has earned that right as one of the most popular Redskins, he has earned that as a passionate analyst, and radio host in the past.

He is a smart guy, and honestly he wouldn't say something like that unless he has dealt with Snyder in the past and has seen that personally. There are always two sides to every story, but the stories of Snyder being a jerk, almost bad guy seem to outweight him being a descent person. Keep up the good work on the Post and the radio show, keep asking those awkward questions.

Posted by: MGS82 | November 6, 2009 9:31 AM

Riggo's legacy is no more hurt by his serial rants than Michael Irvin's drug-induced Hall Of Fame credentials.

Posted by: BigTrees | November 6, 2009 9:36 AM

Seems to be plenty of evidence out there from Snyder's actions over the years to validate Riggin's statement. Snyder has treated a lot of folk associated with the Redskins very badly. What color heart does that come from, one full of light? Don't think so.

Posted by: Wallpass | November 6, 2009 9:45 AM

Because John Riggins is a "Man's Man" he will not play by any PC rule anyone can conjure up (or out) from any hole in the universe. This is not to say he cannot be gracious or that he is rude...he believes in himself. This is something esteemed except by the PC crowd.

"Dance like nobody's watching and sing like nobody's listening."

Posted by: fm7319 | November 6, 2009 9:48 AM

Mike, please refrain. Your radio show sucks and so do you. Have you not listened to the former employees of Dan Snyder? How they had to turn around and not face him while they are in his presence. The man is an arrogant power hungry jerk with a Napoleon complex. Maybe Riggins should not have put himself out there like that but Snyder is not a man of great character I think the basic perception of him is overwhelmingly negative. I do think that he generally does not care about his employees thus the reason for making them turn away and not look at him. This allows him to carry no sentiment and enables him to endure no remorse when he terminates their employment. He does not have to remember the faces of the ones he harms. As for the fans, he probably cares nothing for them. He only needs their revenue and his pathetic apology is some poor attempt to stop the bleeding from his wallet. He knows the fans will never abandon the franchise itself. Its hard to despise a man you have never met nor had the opportunity to know but I think Dan Snyder has shown his true colors in the ten years he has been the “owner” of the Redskins. It is not too late for him however. He needs to hire Chris Polian as GM and then bring in either Eric DeCosta of the Baltimore Ravens or Mark Ross of the Giants to lead up all player and personnel. If he can’t do that then he is obviously the greatest fool who was never aware he was. He needs to put that money into his team management.

Posted by: cwcarterart | November 6, 2009 9:57 AM

Get a clue Mike...... John Riggins is a Hall of Famer, has made his money and still getting paid. He has not lost his job and if he does he'll be OK. So when you infer that he has hurt his reputation, what do you think is going to happen? They're going to pull his bust out of the Hall of Fame? Some jokes never get a laugh pal.

Posted by: Skinned | November 6, 2009 10:42 AM

Riggins doesn't need to explain the obvious:
Suing fans, jack-booting fans out of the stadium for bringing signs of any kind, publicly humiliating his own coaches, buying up all the stations in the area in an attempt to "frame the message", cutting down half the trees in the potomac watershed just to improve his view, etc, etc.

Ask Lavar, Bobby Mitchell, and JKC Jr what they think of the man.

Posted by: yampaco | November 6, 2009 10:43 AM

Riggins is a bit of a drama queen. I remember back in his playing days when he was busy getting drunk in public all over town. I also remember how in the summer of 1980 he quit on his team even though he was under contract. He went home to Kansas to pout and left his team in the lurch. They had a bad season and the coach ended up getting fired. To hear him talk these days, players of today are selfish while he was a choirboy. Funny how selective his memory seems to be. Having said that, I would never say that Dan Snyder is a great guy. He himself admitted that he was a pr**k when he first took over, and I wouldn't disagree. I mean if the guy says that about himself... Snyder does seem to try and squeeze every last dime out of the fans. On the other hand, it also seems that he puts most of that money back into the team. Even if he does overspend for players, etc., he's not a Bill Bidwell type who never seemed to care if his teams won or lost. Bottom line: Way too many people seem to get way too emotionally involved over a game. A lot of folks out there really need to think about getting a life.

Posted by: sonny2 | November 6, 2009 11:01 AM

It's fair to accuse Snyder of having a heart that's dark: this is a guy who sues his own fans, bans signs at the stadium in order to suppress criticism and dissent, and once charged fans for attending practices (among other discreditable acts). He's a spoiled child engaged in a permanent temper tantrum at the fact that the world doesn't revolve around him. He's hired a sycophant of a GM for no reason other than to assuage his own tender ego, and foisted the resulting (and inevitable) disaster of a "team" (if it can be called that) on the fans. Dark heart indeed; Riggo nailed it.

Posted by: stratman1 | November 6, 2009 11:02 AM

Mike,

Riggo is on the money and you need not worry about his legacy. It's only stengthening in my opinion. We have been in the "Dark" Ages of Redskins football for too long, so Riggo's Revolution is welcomed by those craving positive change. War can be ugly for sure, but I appreciate Riggo applying pressure and I hope it forces Danny & his Dinks to get sober and turn this shadow of an organization around. Boswell wrote a great article today about Snyder's similarities to Steinbrenner. Hopefully, the assault on Snyder will lead to something positive. Riggo is the Man and we appreciate him using his notoriety to foster change. You probably will never appreciate how "personal" all of this is to diehard Redskins fans. I for one applaud Riggo for making it personal.

Posted by: BurgundyGold_1 | November 6, 2009 11:35 AM

Total brown-nosing to suggest Riggo's legacy would be harmed for his comment. Your running off the rails on the Snyder train. You've beaten on the QB coach 20 games into his head coaching career worse than Riggo's rant. Though I'll admit Riggo doesn't elaborate the point very eloquently. Still it is just a side bar to the repetitious pattern. Come on their use to be a TV series about a 10 million dollar bionic man. When we have now have Hansey's 100 Million dollar headline. That is it, the entireity of the weakly program. And no coach has yet to last beyond sophomore slump. When a notable coach like Schottenheimer gets only a season it makes the Wizards look like geniuses for bringing Michael Jordan out of retirement for the second time. Cameo appearances from guest stars in a B series. This weakly series should go straight to DVD. But the rabid redskins fans won't allow a black out.

Posted by: chavez66 | November 6, 2009 12:02 PM

BIGTREES - That was beautiful!

Mike Wise - Not once have ever gotten the impression that you find Dan Snyder anything but 'out of his league'. But (always that equivocation) I think Riggins is right, and you're playing the hand that you can't bite.

HTTR

Posted by: tony11 | November 6, 2009 12:08 PM

Typical Washington Post reporter in his little bubble ignorant of what's really going on. Out of the millions of Skins fans out there, about .001% would NOT think Dan Snyder sucks. This will hurt Riggo's legacy how? The same way Winston Churchill's legacy was damaged by his calling Germany's Little Corporal black hearted, I suppose. Riggo will be just fine because EVERYONE agrees with him. Why don't you walk around FedEx next home game and check with all the folks in the stands on the question. It'll be Riggo, 100%

Posted by: brad40 | November 6, 2009 12:16 PM

stop being a yes man for vinny and danny boy they have made a mess of this once great team riggo is right

Posted by: son1862 | November 6, 2009 12:25 PM

You're 100% right, Mike.

Posted by: MichaelKun | November 6, 2009 12:27 PM

Oh please, some of these comments are absurd. 99% of the fans agree? Come on, if the team was 5-2 or even 4-3 most of this would be happening. If nothing changes, but the team gets some breaks next year and goes 8-8, we'll see if the "revolution" is still alive. I kind of doubt it.

And, if Snyder won't sell, are people ready to support the team moving to LA? That would be the logical next step for all the revolutionaries.

Posted by: teamn | November 6, 2009 1:01 PM

Hey, Wise (?) Are you on Danny's payroll?

Posted by: rmart2817 | November 6, 2009 1:10 PM

Come on, Wise.

For once in your life, stop being a brown-nosing a$$-kisser and see things for what they are.

Doesn't Snyder have enough lackeys as it is?

Posted by: owiz | November 6, 2009 2:01 PM

Spoken like a true shill. Your press pass is secure. However your credibility with local fans is not.

Posted by: GladToBeInVA1 | November 6, 2009 2:14 PM

TEAMN?

We've seen this movie before, it's a re-run with Snyder, Redskin fans got excited when Gibbs returned, at least I thought Snyder had learned from his mistakes. Guess what, we were all fooled. Redskins move to LA? You're funny. Do you really think, even Snyder, would move a team with a ten year waiting list?

Riggins is still living up to his Legacy!
Instead of the leader of the Team, he's now the leader of the Fans!

Go Riggo!

Posted by: ccwbambam | November 6, 2009 2:28 PM

Mike,

I don't think I'll be reading your articles anymore. Johns words had a lot more truth in them than yours.

Posted by: indycho | November 6, 2009 2:56 PM

Riggins doesn't need to explain his opinion, it's backed up by a mountain of evidence a lot of which has been mentioned here - ie making employees face the wall when he's in the room, overcharging fans for everything including shuttle rides to the stadium (mandatory since he banned walking), banning fan interviews in the parking lot, banning signs (how stupid is that?? every other football stadium is full of signs, and it's always been that way), ejecting die-hard fans, suing seat owners, NOT TO MENTION his mishandling of actual FOOTBALL operations! Danny is trying so hard to control criticism and his bad PR, but he won't prevail. And the insult to injury is how Snyder, Cerrato, and the rest of the front office repeat over and over how much they appreciate the fans. BS. They appreciate our money. And to those people who are impressed by how he is willing to "open his wallet" for the team ought to remember, that's FAN MONEY he's playing with!!

Riggins may not be able to see into a man's heart, and I've heard some nice things about Snyder too, but the tidal wave of negative facts and stories speak for themselves.

But will he ever sell the team??? probably not, so I guess he'll either have to change his ways, or just run it into the ground until the last drop of glory (and revenue) has been squeezed out of this once-great franchise.

I hope it's the former.

Posted by: Guitarlos | November 6, 2009 2:57 PM

Mike, I heard you on your radio show chastising commenters for not posting their full names when sending in personal anecdotes about Snyder the boss. "Keyboard courage" is what I think you said.

Just so you understand, since by that statement you seem be a little new to the internet, when an individual who doesn't have various high paying media jobs on TV, radio AND print, goes to an employer with their resume, one of the first things an HR person does is google their name. Now when those comments return on a search and the job seeker appears to have a habit of bashing their previous employer, what do you think that chances are of getting that job? Just wondering what your guess would be?

Posted by: jahs4fun | November 6, 2009 4:21 PM

Don't always agree with Wise, but he's right here. Riggins was way out of line, and he shouldn't be surprised if advertising signage is covering his name at FedEx field. Not that he will be allowed in to see it.

Snyder wants to win; he's just going about it the wrong way. To say his heart is dark or he's a bad person because of those decisions is ridiculous. As for the posters here, if Riggins said that Snyder was a combination of Hitler, Stalin, and Jeffery Dahmer, they'd write in saying they've had season tickets since Griffiths (they'll misspell it) Stadium until they gave them up under Snyder and why is Riggins being so easy on him?

Posted by: ggreenbaum | November 6, 2009 4:23 PM

Be serious. He told the truth- the simple, honest truth that the Washington press is now only beginning to state themselves (love that access to games, eh?).

I hope other former Redskins step forward to denounce Snyder and his destructive ego.

Posted by: boog44 | November 6, 2009 4:42 PM

Your take on all things RIGGO is so unlike your surname M.W.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 6, 2009 5:42 PM

knee pads are on sale isle 5

Posted by: SofaKingCool2009 | November 6, 2009 5:46 PM

Overstepped? The Redskins overstepped by going 2-5.
Overstepped? Now I'm concentrating more on painting my house than watching Redskin football.

Riggo told it like it was on Inside the NFL. You could see he probably rehearsed what he was going to say the first 3-4 minutes of the interview. The last 3 minutes of Riggo were the after effects of post traumatic stress syndrome. We just don't know if it came from taking too many hits from his playing days or the stank play of the Skins now.
Now let's stop all this overstepping talk and get some home improvements done on Sunday until the playoffs.
How about a Mike Wise's tool belt column on Sunday mornings?
You can maybe talk about fixing a leaky roof and mix in fixing a leaky offensive line.

Still love my Skins, Snyder and Riggo. As the Mary J Blige song says No More Drama. Just Paint.

Posted by: Weave160 | November 6, 2009 6:27 PM

this helps Riggo's standing and legacy amongst most fans.

especially the ones that go to games, and witness the deteriorating team, gameday experience, and fan treatment by management.

sometimes the truth hurts.

thankfully, riggo has enough guts to tell the truth.

Posted by: terp4303 | November 6, 2009 8:34 PM

Dear Mike:

You're a reporter (sometimes). Investigate Riggo's claim and report.

Or just continue to be a suck-up, a mediocre Mr. Tony wannabe. Your choice.

Posted by: gbooksdc | November 6, 2009 8:35 PM

Dear Mike:

You're a reporter (sometimes). Investigate Riggo's claim and report.

Or just continue to be a suck-up, a mediocre Mr. Tony wannabe. Your choice.

Posted by: gbooksdc | November 6, 2009 8:37 PM

Mike- What a suck up! You guys at the Post have always been subservient to the Redskins' management to prserve your access! The truth is that the Danny has taken a legendary franchise and in 10 years, has run it into the ground and made it into the joke of the NFL.

What I don't get is why you guys in the WP haven't snapped to this and just continue to genuflect to the Redskins.

You have just become the PR office for the Danny!

Posted by: w2rgp | November 6, 2009 8:47 PM

What are you doing Mike Wise?? You love it and just trying to save some face with Snyder! Stick with the FANS!! Riggo is right on and you know it. Riggo is the MAN and REDSKIN FANS will LOVE him FOR GIVING US SO MUCH!! THATS IT!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | November 6, 2009 9:00 PM

The legacy of Riggo and the teams he played with are written in stone...as will be Mr. Synder's in years to come.

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Posted by: hessone | November 6, 2009 9:23 PM

1. Riggo IS a Redskin.
2. Dan Snyder IS NOT a Redskin, just a rich little jerk and terrible business man tthat abuses his customers.
Riggo tells the truth. Snyder won't even talk to the fans.
Time for Mr. Wise to go do traffic reports. Maybe he can suck up to Metro or VDOT.

Posted by: pjohn2 | November 6, 2009 10:07 PM

This is Mike Wise:

Riggins "runs the risk of alienating the on-the-fence person."

So this is what Mike Wise does. Sits down and writes a column, thinking, "Hmmm, how can I please everyone and also make no one unhappy. Ahh, how can I not alienate, say, some sap who doesn't know what to think after all these years of blundering by Danny?"

Mike Wise, the thinking man. Or Riggo. Please give me Riggo.

Posted by: kls1 | November 6, 2009 10:56 PM

Just remember Wise, it is reporters like you who -in the interests of protecting their own access to teams and their players - allowed a scandal such as major league basesball and steroids to occur. Do your job, take some risk and quit being an apologist. Better yet, why don't you write for another paper. I

Posted by: Rravenfan | November 7, 2009 6:16 AM

For cripes sake, stop pitying the freakin' billionaire. Your defense of Snyder makes me want to say boo-hoo. He wrecked the team, and turned the fan base against him. Riggins didn't say anything that we weren't already thinking. You wanna defend Snyder? Go work for the Financial Times and get off the sports beat.

Posted by: CryoGen | November 7, 2009 6:27 AM

Mike,
Looks like you drew the short straw in the editorial room, huh?
There is ample evidence of the dark heart. (suing fans, monopolistic ticket prices (including training camp), firing practices, idiot trades, emasculation of the coach, consolidation of power (no GM), etc. etc. etc.
If you are going to make all the decisions for the franchise, you also need to 'man up' when things go wrong.
If Riggo can't say that Snyder has a 'dark heart', why don't you do some actual investigative reporting and provide some evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: zkerby | November 7, 2009 7:32 AM

To the author,
The only lack of clarity here is yours!

Posted by: bhalseyp | November 7, 2009 7:42 AM

True to form,Mikey suggests Riggo is "emotionally wounded" as if Wise the condescending,smug, pseudo sports guy is an expert on emotion.This is the same Mikey who wrote a piece on the morning of a Redskin playoff game criticizing the team for offending Native Americans aka Indians! Mikey needs a new job parking cars at some DC restaurant.He is afflicted with rectal cranial inversion and deserves our sympathy.

Posted by: bowspray | November 7, 2009 8:03 AM

"he runs the risk of alienating the on-the-fence person"

Mike, you sure you don't want to ask Brauchli to move you to the politics page? With your fence sitting, change-the-team-name moaning, and liberal whining, you sound like a neutered, dumbed down version of E.J. Dionne.

Posted by: TGT11 | November 7, 2009 8:25 AM

Way to tell it like is is Riggo!

kathymac1 is right on. The Zorn hiring fiasco was the last straw for me as well as far as season tickets.

Gibbs brought hope and stability. I had tears in my eyes at the Sean Taylor memorial game. Little did I know that in a couple months, I would watch the Skins be destroyed as Syder tortured (how about those endless interviews followed by endless silence) Gibb's hand picked successor Gregg Williams (how about that Saints D!!), we would go with an offense completely unsuited to the players on the roster, ignore the O-Line (most important position for consistent winning), and in general descend back to unprofessional circus of the Spurrier days.

BTW, Snyder's not talking to the media is cowardly as is his banning of signs.

Like Kathymac1, as a LL former season ticket sucker, until the skins are run professionally and Snyder stays out of the way and stops treating the fans like fools easily swayed by marketing tricks, I have little desire to attend a game much less watch the Skins on TV except to laugh at ther ineptitude and be glad I am not there.

Go fantasy football!!

Posted by: mi-ti-bear | November 7, 2009 8:42 AM

Mike-This hurts his legacy. What the hell does that mean? The NFL today announced that they are taking away John Riggins touchdown in the Super bowl. Fans returned there hog noses. Are you nuts? You might want to watch the super bowl. you might want to watch the season that lead to the super bowl. Nothing will change the facts. Mike you are dangerously close to becoming a butt boy for Dan Snyder. The Danny thinks so much of you and the press that he sends out Vinny me to tell you how to do your job. It is pretty said that Sally has bigger ones than you do.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | November 7, 2009 9:04 AM

Shut up Mike Wise! D!CK.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | November 7, 2009 9:08 AM

lighten up, wisey, baby

Posted by: funkey | November 7, 2009 10:02 AM

Riggin's is the last reporter out there with the integrity and balls to report the truth. The rest of you cry babies are afraid of loosing access and therefore your jobs. What don't you get? Everyone, EVERYONE has clearly identified issues that somehow escape the incredibly rich front office of the Redskins.
Grow a pair or shut up !

Posted by: dannyboyrules | November 7, 2009 10:04 AM


Uh, "explain why he feels that way"?? Who *doesn't* feel that way. Its about someone who doesn't care about (or understand) sports, but who owns a team. The guy who never got picked for the playground touch football games, so one day he bought the team. So the rest of us can sit around and watch this bungling for a decade. Why doesn't the guy sell the franchise back to the Cooke family and go buy a few yacht clubs. Riggo's just trying to explain the otherwise unfathomable: What is this guy doing there??

Posted by: kenhyde | November 7, 2009 10:04 AM

dannyboyrules - #1 - riggins isn't a reporter. he is an ex-jock with a mike. that's it. #2 - when has the post ever reported in fear of losing access? that is ridiculous. they have already had their tix pulled by the skins admin and report very fairly on the team. #3 - all wise is saying is that riggins should have explained his remark rather then just lobbing an ad hominem attack if he wants it to carry any weight. and he is right.

Posted by: funkey | November 7, 2009 10:06 AM

hey Funkey (aka Mike Wise)..
WashPost writers DO have press passes. And they can be rescinded.
The only WASH Post writers that are critical of the owner and team are the
ones with outside revenue sources.. ie. Books and TV.. examples being Feinstein, S. Jenkins, Boswell, Riggins (NFL retirement) to name a few.
Its very transparent when you compare their columns to other writers.

These marginal writers, without other sources of income, are towing the company line because they are either Afraid to lose access, like JLAC did (FedEx or lockerroom). OR, concerned that they work in a dying medium (print) while the other employment opportunities in the DC sports media outlets are 80 percent owned by Snyder.
Which is it for you? Because there is no way the majority of ardent or casual Redskins fans feel Riggins was not speaking for them.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 7, 2009 10:53 AM

Mike doing that NY "Strut". lol
We see what your doing trying to get in the back with the "Big Boys" or your just out to get hits. Whatever?

Riggo is right. Your wrong!

Posted by: SOLVBACK | November 7, 2009 11:10 AM

Lets see now...65 comments posted so far, and only 1.5 out of 65 agree with Wise.

Mike, the stats don't lie. You are totally clueless on how Redskins Nation feels about their franchise. Same goes for your owner, Dan Snyder.

Posted by: 1stBaseCoach | November 7, 2009 11:53 AM

Seriously? Shut up, Wise. Riggins was spot on. And at least he has a legacy, jerk.

Posted by: freshfudge1 | November 7, 2009 12:01 PM

Of course he crossed the line. However, he can so he did. I don't exactly think that Dan Snyder is the Anti Christ nor do I think that is as far as John COULD have gone. I think pointing out that Snyder is stupid when it comes to football and to stupid to realize it himself would have done the job. Hey...I just said it!

Posted by: jrickperryjr | November 7, 2009 12:25 PM

Wise, you're completely off base. I mean, you're not even in the same ball field with the truth.

One thing about Riggins, he tells it like it is. It might be bold, it might be ugly, but dog gone if it's not the truth.


Riggins 500 pts vs. Wise 0 point(s)

Posted by: jpost2000 | November 7, 2009 12:27 PM

SkinsneedaGM - i am not really sure what your point is. are you saying the post has been unfairly easy on the skins? yet then you turn around and cite columnists who have been critical. seems a bit contradictory. it also seems you are trying to compare journalists to columnists, which doesn't make much sense. one is supposed to be opinionated while the other is not. not sure i get your tack on that point.

and i believe riggins probably does speak
for a lot of skins fans. however, his criticism loses credibility when it is not backed up with anything and just an ad hominem attack.

i just think it is crazy when people try to say wise or any other WaPo columnist is in snyder's pocket. that is ridiculous. they have been applying all sorts of heat on him universally, as far as i can tell.

i realize it is en vogue to shout down anyone who would defend snyder in any case, but let's try and at least pretend to be a bit objective. if riggins has reasons for calling him a bad person or having a dark heart, i would like to know what special insight he has into this. otherwise he sounds just like any other b!tching fan.

Posted by: funkey | November 7, 2009 1:22 PM

"Snyder wants to win"

No he doesn't. People keep saying that. It's meaningless.

Danny would *prefer* to win, but he doesn't want to win.

It's like I want to be in the Olympics skiing. Okay, I don't ski, I couldn't tell you anything about skiing. If I went out on the slopes, I might break something. But I want to win a Gold Medal. The way I look at it, I'll show up, and I'll ski down the slope and there is a chance I'll win the Gold medal. If not, oh well, there's always next olympics.

So what would you say about my wanting to win in the Olympics?

Okay okay, you may be a bit dense. Just saying you want to win isn't enough. You've got to do the things winning football teams do. If you don't, you don't *really* want to win.

Another analogy, you have a math test in school and you want an "A", but you don't study. But you really want an "A".

That's Dan Snyder

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | November 7, 2009 1:43 PM

There is no "on the fence person" with regards to Dan Snyder left out there, other than overly sensitive sports columnists like yourself.
Riggins has earned the right to say what he said. Someone of his stature needed to. Anyone who runs a treasured team like the Redskins into the ground the way Snyder has deserves to hear this stuff on a daily basis.

Posted by: billmcallister | November 7, 2009 2:09 PM

POST THIS...WHY SHOULD THE TRUTH HURT SOMEONES LEGACY? WHO IS GREG BLACHE? SNYDER NEEDS GREG BLACHE, HE MAKES MONEY OFF GREG BLACHE, HE NEEDS HIM...HE HAS VALUE...I'M SURE SNYDER HAS CHARM....WHEN HE NEEDS YOU....RIGGINS SPOKE THE TRUTH.....WE'VE HAD 10 YEARS OF SELFISHNESS, THE GUY HAS SUED FANS, DOUBLED THE VALUE OF THE TEAM AND CUSSED OUT PLAYERS, DOES ANYONE REMEMBER HIM THREATNING LAVERNEUS COLES? WE'LL HE DID...COLES GOT THE HECK OUT...ANYONE REMEMBER HOW HE TOLD COLES THAT HE WAS GOING TO BUY HIM A BIG FLAT SCREEN TV SO WHEN HE BENCHED HIM HE COULD WATCH THE GAMES FROM HOME? WHY DON'T YOU CONTACT LAVERNEUS COLES....OF COURSE JOE GIBBS KEPT IT HUSH, HUSH AND TRADED HIM....SNYDER GAVE EVERYONE WHO CRITICIZES HIM AMMUNITION...SO HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS...HAVE YOU SEEN THE WAY HE STRUTS AROUND AFTER A WIN....HE'S A IDIOT....RIGGO IS IN THE HALL OF FAME....CANTON....HIS PEERS PUT HIM THERE.....HIS PEERS....WHAT DO SNYDERS PEERS THINK OF HIM? AND EVEN BLACHE.....ASK GREG WILLIAMS WHAT HE THINKS OF BLACHE.....DONE DEAL.

Posted by: ghostrider505 | November 7, 2009 2:46 PM

HEEEEEEYYYYY MIKE!

Just from an informal tally of the posts here after your article...the numbers are not in your favor.

What does that mean?

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | November 7, 2009 2:50 PM

LISTEN, I'M NOT THAT TALL...NEITHER WAS JACK KENT COOKE...WHAT I LEARNED EARLY IS IT'S BETTER TO BE A COOL CAT THEN A LOUD MOUTH, STAY IN THE BACK GROUND.....NOTHING ANNOYS PEOPLE MORE THEN A LITTLE LOUD MOUTH....IT'S A FACT OF LIFE...YOU LOOK STUPID TOO.

Posted by: ghostrider505 | November 7, 2009 2:58 PM

Mike Wise = Dan Snyder's "Uncle Tom"

Posted by: daveque | November 7, 2009 4:02 PM

Riggo is wrong in accusing The Danny of having a dark heart because he doesn't have a heart at all.

Posted by: jbartelloni | November 7, 2009 4:30 PM

Hello MD residents you have a MD native, big college park booster named Steve Bisciotti who owns THE RAVENS!

Just simply turn the channel and it will once again feel like home-winning, home team, good owner, happy fans.

Posted by: ravens1123 | November 7, 2009 5:02 PM

Riggo is hurting his legacy?? How? By calling out a greedy, mean spirited, ethically challenged coward? Riggo may be brash and boorish but he is also a pretty keen observer of humanity. Snyder should be concerned about his legacy. Do his free plane rides (for players, of course)offset the the outrages like suing season ticket holders and then re-selling their tickets? Riggins just has the guts to pull back the curtain on the little wizard.

Posted by: SackMan | November 7, 2009 9:06 PM

Hurt his legacy? Dude, that is just stupid, I mean incorrect...how is he doing anything different than being his off the cuff Riggo self...For what it's worth, your comment reveals more about you than him,IMO...just saying.

Posted by: DD163 | November 7, 2009 9:22 PM

Danny doesn't care about me because I don't buy his tickets. Thank goodness! Up until this year I watched almost every Redskin game over the last 30 years or so on TV. I also listened to the Sonny, Sam and Frank broadcasting on radio because they were very knowledgeable about the Redskins and football, so I liked them better than the regular TV announcers. Danny bought the radio station and canned Frank because he did not understand their working relationship any better than he does football. After listening to about two games without the trio, I realized how much they lost without Frank. Danny messed that one up because Frank was too good at keeping Sonny and Sam on track and probably wasn't a boyhood hero of Danny's. Then three years ago he had a top notch coaching duo with Saunders and Williams. Both of them probably had too much football smarts and would not cow tow to him so he decided he couldn't deal with the adult supervision they would provide. With no football supervision he continues to buy every big toy and ignore good drafting, so this year I finally realized that I don't have to see every game on television and have gotten a lot of work done on Sundays. What I am afraid of is that Danny may have gotten a good manager in spite of himself and will can him. Zorn can then show the experience he picked up here for some other team.

I am an on-the-fence person you referred to because I really have nothing to gain or lose from Danny's football immaturity and will probably return to watching the games if he shapes up. However, I do think that trying to sue a long time ticket holder certainly places Danny squarely into John's dark heart category and his habit getting rid of everyone who does not conform to his tyranny places him in good company with many CEOs who listen mainly to yes men. Stock holders who have followed them down in this economy certainly think they are bad guys.

My vote is John 1, Mike 0 on this one. I place your understanding of Riggo's appeal near Danny's understanding of football and doubt that anything he could say against the current Redskin front office could impact his legacy.

Posted by: prine1 | November 8, 2009 12:03 AM

didn't you know, mike? if everything you write doesn't chastise little danny or call for his head, then you are an accomplice to his actions. it really has turned into the 'you're either fer us, or agin us' mentality.

Posted by: funkey | November 8, 2009 10:36 AM

Funkey, you must be Mike Wise... Why else do you keep returning to this blog and defend the same?

My earlier posting was directed to Mike Wise/You to show that those writers who ARE directly critical of Snyder are the ones who have outside income and are thus not intimidated by Snyder's control of the DC sports media market.. A fact that is errily 100 percent on target... look at the names... and then look what they have written directed ONLY at Snyder for the Skin's problems.
Sally Jenkins, John Feinstein, M.Wilbon, Boswell.. All are writers who are fairly insulated with outside income (books, espn tv, etc).

My point, Mike, is you cannot be this oblivious to the pulse of the average fan's opinion (and Riggo's) of Snyder. A fact that I am sure, off the record, you would concede but, you too are intimidated by the Snyder media empire, like the other "WashPost-income-only" writers.

And rightfully so.
Newspapers are dying...where's a WashPost writer going to send his/her resume, in DC, for a sports media job if they are critical of Snyder??

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


hey Funkey (aka Mike Wise)..
WashPost writers DO have press passes. And they can be rescinded.
The only WASH Post writers that are critical of the owner and team are the
ones with outside revenue sources.. ie. Books and TV.. examples being Feinstein, S. Jenkins, Boswell, Riggins (NFL retirement) to name a few.
Its very transparent when you compare their columns to other writers.

These marginal writers, without other sources of income, are towing the company line because they are either Afraid to lose access, like JLAC did (FedEx or lockerroom). OR, concerned that they work in a dying medium (print) while the other employment opportunities in the DC sports media outlets are 80 percent owned by Snyder.
Which is it for you? Because there is no way the majority of ardent or casual Redskins fans feel Riggins was not speaking for them.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 7, 2009 10:53 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 8, 2009 11:23 AM

SkinsneedaGM - you are so right! i am totally mike wise. you are a regular perry mason!

as for your comparison, you are citing columnists vs journalists, which makes absolutely no sense. columnists are paid to give their opinion, whereas reporters are not. that distinction seems lost on you. it has nothing to do with economic insulation from snyder. it has to do with their journalistic position.

i agree with wise on this - when riggo says things like this without any explanation then he sounds like another disgruntled former employee grinding an axe or another fan who is just mad at the running of the team. it has nothing to do with whether or not riggins echoes the sentiments of other fans - i am sure he does. it is just that his personal remarks come off as merely ad hominem attacks without any explanation of them.

and the charge oft repeated in this thread and others that the post is in the pocket of the danny is just laughable and misinformed.

Posted by: funkey | November 8, 2009 12:48 PM

Get a real job, you are not a journalist. You are a shill for Dan Synder. A real journalist would not blame the media for something that obviously the fault the head of an enterprise. Perhaps he can hire you to confiscate signs from the few fans that continue to show up at FedEx.

Posted by: Jamz | November 8, 2009 1:43 PM

My comment was erased, haha. Guess the truth hurts huh Mike? You suck, Dan Snyder sucks and if the response here is any indication you're time a sports writer for the post is on it's last legs. Hail to The Redskins! fuel up that Diesel VROOOOOOOOM!Boycott Redskins products, games etc!

Posted by: navypablo | November 8, 2009 4:03 PM

Is this the same Snyder that SUES fans and BANS SIGNS that say "HI" to loved ones in Afganistan cause they are NOT OFFICIAL REDSKKINS approved

YEP, I'D SAY THERE IS A DARK HEART BEATING IN THERE SOMEWHERE

Posted by: tele1 | November 8, 2009 4:07 PM

I don't know the guy, but the impression I take away from everything I've ever read about Snyder is that if he didn't have a billion dollars, he wouldn't have a friend in the world.

Posted by: markfromark | November 8, 2009 4:39 PM

Riggo's comments may be a little over the top, but he's closer to the truth than Wise would ever dare to speak. This town does not like Snyder and no amount of prosletyzing from a Post reporter will change that.

Posted by: Almazar80 | November 8, 2009 6:50 PM

Mike for someone who has been here for only 5 years, I think you need to take a lower profile when talking about past players. Stop sucking up to Redskins management!

Riggo is "spot on" about Danny. Don't underestimate prior Redskins with our fanbase. Riggo will tear up Danny and Cerratto if they go head to head.

Posted by: cirrus_nine | November 8, 2009 9:19 PM

Riggins can say no wrong as far as I am concerned. He is a member of an elite number of fan favorites because of his SUCCESS and HEROICS on the field. I have been a fan since I was born here in DC 38 years ago. This owner and team are an EMBARASSMENT. Snyder: do NOT mess with die-hard fans or fan favorites like Riggo. WE will ultimately determine the fate of your ownership, by making your reign MISERABLE if you cling to your controlling, immature style!

Posted by: dcgovtruth | November 8, 2009 11:24 PM

Was Riggins being dramatic? Yes. But before anyone thinks Snyder's close to being a decent human being, remember what he did as soon as he closed the deal on the team--sent people out to Ashburn to fire members of the office staff (down to secretaries) who had worked for the team for decades. I presume he did this so he wouldn't have to look at people who had worked for Jack Kent Cooke. Sorry. No matter what he does, that marked the guy as a permanent, petty jerk. As soon as that was announced, you knew what the next years would bring. And they have.

Posted by: jhpurdy | November 9, 2009 8:05 AM

Mike Wise is wrong. Riggo's "bad heart" rant was baseless and weird, but the Diesel can't say anything outlandish enough to hurt his legacy. Wise wasn't here for the Glory Days, and he's an NBA guy anyway, so his opinions on Redskins history are meaningless. I wish WaPo had more columnists with credible football and Redskins knowledge.

Posted by: tomj4425 | November 9, 2009 8:26 AM

Mike Wise get real. You can't possibly be a Washingtonian, if you were, you would realize that no self respecting Redskins fan would support Snyder over Riggo. We love Riggo and we wish Snyder would go to edge of Christopher Columbus' earth and fall off. I hated that jerk the second he took Jack Kent Cooke's name off that Stadium and he hasn't done anything for our Franchise to make it better. One of the greatest Franchises in sports has become a joke. Thanks Danny! All Hail Riggo!!!!

Posted by: KenMarshall | November 11, 2009 8:33 AM

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