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Censorship at FedEx

You know what's a whole lot worse than losing football games? Trying to bully people into silence because they object to your business practices, the product itself, or the way you treat them as consumers.

Clearly, the Washington Redskins didn't learn a damn thing from being called out for suing season ticket holders who could no longer afford seats in the worst recession in decades. That should have embarrassed them into cleaning up their act. But management, like the product on the field, has gone from bad to worse. Censorship seems to be the order of the day now.

Put up a sign criticizing Dan Snyder at FedEx Field -- and there were plenty Monday night -- and you run the risk of being told to take it down ... if you're allowed to stay at all. Don't get me wrong, any sign that contains any vulgar words or images should be removed as well as the person responsible for it. No exceptions. If the club wants to pull that person's ticket, so be it.

But "Fire Dan Snyder" placards don't meet that criterion. And by banning television interviews of tailgating Redskins fans on "Redskins property," who are team officials supposed to silence -- the team's fans or the media? The Redskins undoubtedly will hide behind some sort of policy statement when the proper fix there is simple: Change the dumb policy. Does Snyder think this is going to make folks around town stop talking about either the team's incompetence or the fact that an increasing number of people hold him (justifiably) responsible?

We appear to be at the point where Snyder and/or others in his charge are angry. They'll show Washington. They'll show anybody who doesn't get in line. They'll charge among the highest prices in the league, bring you into the worst gameday pro football experience in America, overcharge you for it, then tell you to enjoy it -- or damn well act like it. Take on Snyder, and Redskins management will take you out.

Could a club think any less of the people who support it than this censorship suggests? Most businesses live by the motto "The consumer is always right." The Redskins motto apparently is "The consumer will take what we give 'em, because we've got a million suckers on a waiting list."

A lot of longtime Redskins season ticket holders have become former Redskins ticket holders. Still more talk about voting with their pocketbooks, which is usually a political-style revolt. I've been a complete skeptic about this campaign because there is a long enough waiting list and enough people who'll endure any level of insult to just get into the door.

But there's something about telling people to take down these signs and not talk about their displeasure publicly which has struck a raw nerve. People who weren't especially motivated to object to the hideous parking arrangements or the cheesy nature of the gameday suddenly have crossed over and joined people who were openly angry already.

The bye week could have been a break that could have served as a cooling off period for everyone. But Redskins management has instead found another way to offend people. Perhaps the people telling everybody to shut up didn't accurately assess the increasing intensity of this revolt.

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Michael Wilbon

 |  October 28, 2009; 12:50 PM ET  |  Category:  NFL , Redskins Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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Someone needs to start a group where all Redskins fans can chip in to buy the Redskins and in return get a percentage ownership in the team. A web site to manage the whole thing would probably be best. If all fans pooled their money together, hired a President and other officers, we could make a bid Danny couldn't turn down. I like how the fans of Green Bay own the team. It would be like an investment!

Posted by: roperry | November 2, 2009 10:46 PM
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I think I can bring some insight into this problem. I was born and raised in DC, but have been a Detroit Lions fan my whole life, so I know something about terrible teams and ownership/management that won't listen. About 2 years ago there were similar issues at Ford Field with signs, shirts, etc. being restricted. The "fans" of the Lions voiced their displeasure by wearing the colors of the opposing team to home games. I remember seeing the ENTIRE stadium wearing orange and black for a home game against Cincy. The people booed the Lions, cheered the Bengals, and humiliated Ford Sr. and Matt Millen. Redskins fans should do the same...no need to buy NFL gear, just wear the colors of the opposing team.

Posted by: ksig25 | November 2, 2009 4:55 PM
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Oh, and I meant to add this:

While the Steelers hosted a "Ladies Night Out" during its bye week, what did the Redskins organization/ownership do? They decreed that fans would no longer be permitted to carry signs into the stadium and that the media (always the enemy of Daniel Snyder) would no longer be able to interview fans in the parking lots.

Posted by: MisterE33 | November 2, 2009 4:42 PM
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I've been following this from out of town.

I'll that I can say is, "Wow!"

It seems that just about when you think the ownership (Dan Snyder) can't do anything dumber than the previous time, he does.

And so much of his effort seems to be directed at alienating the fan base ... and not in a subtle manner. Sue them. Censor them. Blame them (that comes next, for sure).

Here in Pittsburgh, the Steelers spent their bye week playing host to about 500 women (who paid $95 each) to tour the stadium, kick some field goals and engage in a Q&A with two players/guest speakers during dinner.

The Redskins were one of the NFL's great organizations. It's sad to see them become a case study in how NOT to run an NFL franchise.

Posted by: MisterE33 | November 2, 2009 2:15 PM
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I wish Danny Boy dies in his sleep....

Posted by: ramircunanan | November 2, 2009 10:29 AM
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There's only one person to blame - Jerry Jones. Snyder has modeled his front office, scouting, and GM roles after Jones and the 'boys. Snyder thinks "if Jerry can do it, I can." He thinkgs he's smarter than Jones, has more money than Jones, and his Republican arrogance will never allow him to admit a mistake.

So, thanks a bunch Jerry Jones. You set the example for Snyder to follow and fail. Thanks.

Posted by: ScottChallenger | November 2, 2009 9:40 AM
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Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

Posted by: newspeak3000 | November 2, 2009 9:35 AM
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Daniel Snyder must be forced to sell the team. We have to organise and organise well. We need to be long term thinkiners and not get lost in the moment at a losing game. HE will be forced to sell the team, I am sure of it if nobody attends. This was he wont be able to make the interest on the debt he owns and that my friends would force his hand into selling. We all win.
Lets do it WWashington.

Posted by: bluebee8 | November 2, 2009 9:16 AM
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I don't think the problem is Snyder's greed, it's his ego. He's willing to spend BIG money to improve the team, the problem is he doesn't know WHERE to spend it. His ego is so big that he thinks he's the smartest man in the world and there is no way a man of his intellect can't build an NFL winner. His ego won't allow him to see that his way of doing things isn't working. His ego won't allow him to hand the controls to a QUALIFIED, accomplished , competent NFL exec. and stand back and let him do his job. Maybe Danny Boy should make a song with Beyonce.

Posted by: largetony86 | November 2, 2009 7:52 AM
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The litany of complaints about Snyder's regime is seemingly infinite, and the fans' rage is fully justified. The central point, that despite their rage, they continue to enable him by supporting the team financially, is inescapable.

I understand season ticket holders' reluctance to give up their tix in protest. That's irreversible. After all, if, against all odds, this movement should succeed and an organization and team worthy of support should emerge from the rubble, it will not be possible for them to get those seats back to watch the better on-field product.

However, I don't think something so drastic by season ticket holders is necessary.

All it would take is for all the ticket holders for a nationally televised game, say against Dallas, to boycott part of one game by congregating in the parking lot and not entering the stadium until the 2nd quarter. (For many ticket-holders, it might not be much of a sacrifice at all, given that horrendous traffic probably prevents them from getting to their seats on time, anyway.)

During the 1st quarter boycott, all 90,000 people who have wireless Internet access via phones should repeatedly post to Twitter and Facebook the fact of their protest and their reasons for the boycott. This message would be re-Tweeted and re-posted worldwide in seconds. Snyder doesn't control wireless Internet access; he won't be able to stop that flood of public communication any more than the Iranian government could.

That firehose of a stream of fan invective, repeated worldwide and combined with the incredibly vivid (and undeniable) TV image of 90,000 empty seats, and 40 TV minutes of announcers talking about it, would publicly embarrass Snyder and the NFL beyond their tolerance. At that point, I suspect the league would direct Snyder to address the problem of fan anger publicly. At the very least, Snyder's stooges could no longer B.S. the public by trying to explain it as anything but what it is -- collective fan disgust at their philosophy and performance.

If Snyder & Co. fail to respond appropriately, do it again at the next home game, and promise that it will continue until they engage the fans meaningfully.

Missing the 1st quarter is a small price to pay to remove Snyder's deniability. He doesn't deign to talk to the media during the season? He'd have to after a couple of weeks of organized public boycott of the 1st quarter.

This way, every fan gets to hedge his bet and preserve his right to remain a fan in the future, should things improve. If, at the end of the season, after 3 or 4 such boycotts, Snyder remains intransigent, then the picture will be graphically clear, and anyone who renews their tix in the future will be doing so with their eyes wide open.

Posted by: salescoach | November 1, 2009 9:36 PM
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Hey howsthat... How about you keep the politics out of the sports section. Nobody gives a rats a$$ about what you read or you political views. This is a discussion about the redskins. Go to
the fix or one of the many other political blogs to talk politics. From your user id, it's pretty clear all you want to accomplish is to push your political views on others. Just keep it out of the sports page.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 1, 2009 4:13 PM
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It's almost as if Snyder is following the Obama administration in regards to managing discourse. Danny should hire Gibbs, and I mean Robert Gibbs. I'm certain he can afford to pay him more than Barrack Husseign. Seeing Danny finally called out is the best thing to happen to a Redskins fan in years. I'm more of a Fox News/Washington Times kind of guy, but I commend the WaPo for going after Snyder. Like many others, my family has had 4 season tickets since 1956. My Grandmother is 85 and can count the number of games she has not attended on one hand. For her sake, I hope all of this negative press will finally sink in and change the boy owner's ways, but I seriously doubt it. The only way this will ever work is to cut off Danny's money. Once our contract is over and the Danny can't sue us, he will have seen our last dollar. We went to our last real Redskin game over 10 years ago, when real NFL owners held the reigns of the Redskins.

Posted by: Howsthathopeandchangeworkingforyou | November 1, 2009 10:57 AM
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Lots of sucker Redskins fans that Snyder can count on.

Why should Snyder care; he is a businessman out to make millions off the sucker fans, and that's just what he is doing.

Posted by: beenthere3 | November 1, 2009 10:51 AM
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How Mr. Synder can make more money with less of a headache: OUTSOURCE THE REDSKINS TO CHINA. Players from China will work harder for less money. Fans from China will tolerate censorship with great passivity. The People's Republic Army to enforce stadium rules for a few grains of rice. And the Chinese Communist Party will support totalitarian management style even better than the NFL will.

Posted by: DaveInDC1 | November 1, 2009 6:20 AM
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A lifelong fan. However I have temporarily stopped!

Everyone needs to stop going to the games, stop buying redskins gear and stop supporting Danny-boy.

If you continue to buy his stuff nothing will change.

Go Caps!!

Posted by: bigbob1 | October 31, 2009 11:19 PM
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Snyder should never have been allowed to buy this team. Even with the lucky millions he made selling Snyder Communications, he was still allowed to borrow most of the money to buy this team. This man behaves like the mob. He is a spoiled little boy wanting a toy or else he freaks out. the NFL should never have allowed him to buy this team. We need to pressure him to sell it by boycotting the games. Hurt his wallet, I promise you he will be forced to sell. I promise you we could even do it this season.

Posted by: bluebee8 | October 31, 2009 6:42 PM
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Here's what the fans should organize (see the video)

http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/just_plain_stupid/We_Suck_Football_Prank/#40851

It should spell "Fire Dan"

Posted by: magnetic54 | October 31, 2009 5:06 PM
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Clearly Dannyboy is a paranoid public relations fop that could care less if the Redskins provide a quality experience or competitive experience for the fans to enjoy. I gave up my season tickets last year as going to a game is at least a 7 hour commitment that by and large is not pleasurable, and for that matter the Redskins are bad product.
If they want to censor the fans, they too should commit to this policy and take down the score board.

Posted by: jamesjiven55gmailcom | October 31, 2009 3:15 PM
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I never thought I'd see the day, but I hate Dan Snyder way, way more than I hate the Dallas Cowboys. I can't believe the owner of the Redskins is now Public Enemy #1, but there you go.

Posted by: kemp13 | October 31, 2009 9:32 AM
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Tell the SEC coaches about this Wilbon. They can't complain about refs or face severe fines of 10 grand or more off their 5 million dollar salary. Meanwhile the NCAA is going to clean things up! They'll clean it up the way Stalin did, send them to the gulags. It's ironic now that the recession is in full bloom the fairy dust is coming off the eyes and the critics are getting louder. Not so sweet when the king is walking around naked is it?

Posted by: KraftPaper | October 31, 2009 5:39 AM
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Check this out and repost, we can make this a regular occurrence at FedEx until DS sells the team!!!

http://fire-snyder-sign.blogspot.com/

Posted by: drum__head | October 30, 2009 11:49 PM
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HELLO, REDSKINS FANS! Pay attention to this! Until you stop BUYING what Danny is SELLING he will keep on

DOING what he is DOING!!! It is Econ 101! Do not go to the games! Do not buy burgundy and gold things from NFL or NFL.com! And do not tell Nielsen or whomever else that you watch games!

Dan Snyder is about making money; he is not about winning football games! Get this straight! Given a choice between $100 million or profit and a 1-15 season vs. $99 million of profit and a 15-1 season Dan Snyder will choose the $100 million!

If you, in any way, send $0.01 Danny's way, you fully support his management of the team these many, dark, dreary years.

YOU (yes, YOU!) need to make his franchise worth LESS (or worthless) so that, in his big profit-maximizing world, Daniel Snyder will decide to sell the Redskins to someone who will not F___ it up!

Do it now! Stop the insanity! Don't show up! Make every week until until Danny sells a No-Buy Week!

Sorry. I got a little carried away. I still have Manny Sistrunk's and Jerry Smith's autographs. I've been with THIS team a long time. Help me out here! Let's band together and "Ditch The Dan!" DTD! DTD! DTD! ... etc.

Come on! We can do it! Yes, we can! DTD!

Carry posters ... if you're allowed. ;-)

Posted by: 51fordf2 | October 30, 2009 11:29 PM
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The Washington DC area and other cities within 50 miles, should pool their resources and try to buy out Snyder. Throw so much money at him that he cannot refuse.
It is the only way that the bleeding will stop.
At least the Redskins have another bye week. That makes six bye weeks so far this season.

Posted by: scholls3 | October 30, 2009 9:26 PM
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Snyder has ruined in one short decade all that the Redskins past owners, coaches, fans and players have built. He is a narcissist of the worst kind; who cares how many fans and players he has disappointed, those signs are bumming him out and hurting Boy Blunders sensitive silver spoon feelings! For now, we are stuck with him. However, "Everyone" , even Snyder, has his price......could the fan's form a Coop and buy him out? Could we flag down some well meaning billionaire(s) who would gladly hire a competent GM and Coach and just show up for the games and the good times, they way proper owners should?

That said, living in Atlanta, I have tickets for the Nov. 8th game against the Falcons, at the 50 yard line. I am making a sign since signs are permitted at the GA Dome. There's more than one way to get the message to Danny! Watch for my sign ;-) The bright side is this, it can't really get any worse.

Posted by: ideagirl | October 30, 2009 9:22 PM
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Snyder must be told that he cannot "manage" the fans likes he manages his employees. It's obvious that he badly wants to win; however, he should understand that his clients, the fans, should be listened to. Danny boy, we want to love you like we loved Jack Kent Cooke, but you are just not lovable.

Posted by: keith18 | October 30, 2009 7:39 PM
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I dont dislike Limbaugh because he is republican, I dislike him because he has negative view about people based on things like politics and race. And when a person tries to convince others to dislike people they dont even know based on race or politics that makes me like them even less. I sometimes think that Wilbon is a blowhard but not based on his politics or race.

Posted by: ged0386 | October 30, 2009 3:07 PM
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fairfaxgoper

I hate when people try to inject their politics into places they dont belong. Are you one of those people who cant make a decision on anything until you figure out if it is left wing or right wing? What you buy, where you eat, who you are friends with, what you watch on TV? You post give the impression that you are way too political for your own good. You will miss out on a lot of good in life trying to judge if its liberal or conservative. If you meet a good person whos political views are different from you does that then make them a bad person in your eyes? I know good people who are republicans. We may not agree politically but because we are not shaped just by our politics we can be friends. Otherwise you will find yourself descriminating against people unfairly based on politics, which is really no better than a person doing it based on race in the end. Would if you are good at your job but cant get hired because the person that interviews you is a liberal and you are not. Is that the country you want to live in? The kind of subjective thinking you display leads to that kind of behavior in people.

Posted by: ged0386 | October 30, 2009 3:00 PM
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fairfaxgoper

Your political zeal is getting in the way of objective thinking. Wilbon not liking Limbaugh is not censorship, Wilbon has no power regarding MNF does he? Whats more hyporcritical is you thinking that Wilbon not liking Limbaugh is being hypocritical based on censorship but Limbaugh not liking someone or telling others not to like someone is ok. Neither Limbaugh nor wilbon are guilty of any kind of censorship but you are guilty of being hypocritical based on your politics. Wilbon not thiking Limbaugh has nothing to do with censorship. Stop being the typical Virginia Republican blowhard trying to take on everyone who does not like some republican. Both Limbaugh and Wilbon are in the media and they both have opinions. Neither equals censorship. Drop the right wing brainless thinking based on who has an (r) by their name. It makes you sound like an ignorant follower.

Posted by: ged0386 | October 30, 2009 2:48 PM
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On a lighter note, Wilbon can you get me a date with Reachea Candidate? I saw her today on 1st and 10 in a black skin tight track suit for Holloween and she is da bomb. Did anyone else see that? Posibly the best looking woman on ESPN. Whos wit me?

Posted by: ged0386 | October 30, 2009 2:39 PM
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who censored Rush Limbaugh? He has a radio show every morning. No one has censored him. Why does Wilbon have to like this guy? If he does not like him that is his choice. Just like you may not like a person its your choice. Some people dont like Obama. Thats their choice. You want to talk about censorship based on politics just ask the Dixie Chicks. If you want to get mad about censorship in this country get mad about that. Rush is just fine. He does not need anyone to defend him. His remarks is what has made him wealthy. If any of you idiots using him to bash Wilbon thinks he gives a damm about you ask yourself, with all of Rush's money what has he done for the common working class republican that listens to his show? Nothing but feed you bull to get you worked up mad at someone else for his benefit. Stop trying to use sports as some leaway to your political agendas. Its soo cheesy and fake. If you like Rush go listen to him. But respect the ones who doesnt. He is just a wind bag on the radio, nothing more. He holds no office and can do nothing more for you in your lives than Wilbon does. Get over yourselves.

Posted by: ged0386 | October 30, 2009 2:32 PM
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Danny banning signs critical of him is typical right-wing policy, worthy of Mao.

Look for the "Little Redskins Book" at DanSnyder.com soon.

Only say what Danny approves.

So poor is Snyder's management of the 'Skins, even Rolling Stone, the cutting edge of sports coverage has decided to write about him.

Little Danny can stop being a joke, but he'll have to get it first.

Posted by: JHepCat72 | October 30, 2009 2:11 PM
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I've been hoping Snyder will mature as he grows older, it appears he just insulated from reality, his name will be remembers like Edward Bennet Williams, Robert Short of Baltimore and Al Davis(sans superbowls) I love the Redskins but will not waste my Sundays on them until they have a chance of winning

Posted by: scholar2008 | October 30, 2009 1:45 PM
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IT'S TIME TO BOYCOTT THE REDSKINS

The time has come for the Washington Redskins' fans to take back the team from it's incompetent owner, Daniel Snyder.

Collectively, we, the lifelong fans of the Washington Redskins are upset, angry and quite frankly embarrassed at how Dan Snyder has systematically destroyed one of the most revered, successful and valuable franchises in all of sports.

Unfortunately, he will never sell the team, but that doesn't mean we as fans cannot influence his decision making by hitting him where it hurts: his pocketbook.

Here's how we can do this:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-the-Redskins/323147340726

Posted by: vega123 | October 30, 2009 1:17 PM
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Clearly the WaPo picture of the confiscated and trashed small sign wishing a deployed soldier well said it all.

What a heartless jerk.

Posted by: tslats | October 30, 2009 12:28 PM
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"could this all be a setup, a Redskins relocation effort to Los Angeles??
just wondering.. conspiracy minded fans want to know."

Posted by: bringbackRiggo

I've watched this team for 37 yaers and at this point he can move the 'Skins to LA and DC will get an expansion team or a franchise transfer and I would support them. Snyder is an arse.

Posted by: garrafa10 | October 30, 2009 12:18 PM
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john_journell - how was rush censored?

Posted by: funkey | October 30, 2009 10:29 AM
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Stop being a hypocrite.

Posted by: john_journell | October 30, 2009 9:55 AM

stop being an idiot

Posted by: BMACattack | October 30, 2009 10:05 AM
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Mr. Wilbon,

While I agree with your sentiments in this column, I too, find you hypocritical. Censoring Rush Limbaugh is just fine, since he isn't a liberal. How about stating that cencorship of any form is wrong, not just against those you politically disagree with? Or is it only when the government tries to stop the speech of conservatives that censorship is ok? But a private business like the Redskins, on private property, can't can't determine what is or isn't said or displayed on their property? I doubt you would have any problem with the government prohibiting conservative talk and thought, but a private entity doing that is somehow over the top. Stop being a hypocrite.

Posted by: john_journell | October 30, 2009 9:55 AM
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Maybe everyone should buy FOR SALE signs and bring them to the game. Having thousands of those laying around outside FedEx Field would be a powerful image. But please buy them, don't steal signs from peoples' yards--someone has to pay for those.

Posted by: JW9288 | October 30, 2009 9:23 AM
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Mr. Wilbon, while I agree with everything you say, you are a hypocrite to talk about the horrors of censorship. Wasn't it you, who said you would never watch MNF again if Rush Limbaugh was hired as a commentator? It is amusing that leftists like yourself
who enjoy blathering about free speech and the first amendment are perhaps the most intolerant among us. Look, I find
a good deal of your drivel offensive, but I still read your column, because I like to get opposing views. I still watch NFL coverage on ESPN.Mike, "If you are going to talk the talk , then you need to walk the walk!"

Posted by: fairfaxgoper | October 30, 2009 9:13 AM
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Look, Snyder is ridiculous and clearly thin-skinned, but all the talk about how he is 'censoring' fans and denying 'freedom of expression' is a bit misguided.

1) The Almighty 1st Amendment protects against government interference with your rights to free speech, etc., ("Congress shall make no law ..."). It does not prevent Dannyboy from interfering with your free speech rights, especially when...

2) you are voluntarily on his property! He purchased the team AND the stadium. It's his, plan and simple. If you invited someone into your home or other property, then you, too, would feel entitled to shut them up or throw them out if they were saying things that made you uncomfortable.

NONE of this is meant to detract from the fact that Snyder is a horrible owner who now hates his fans. But focusing on misguided philosophical debates is a waste of time, when all focus should remain squarely on dysfunctional management practices. Call the sign policy a reprehensible, fan-unfriendly policy if you must, but not a violation of basic rights.

Posted by: SagebrushFederalist | October 30, 2009 9:12 AM
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Mr. Wilbon, while I agree with everything you say, you are a hypocrite to talk about the horrors of censorship. Wasn't it you, who said you would never watch MNF again if Rush Limbaugh was hired as a commentator? It is amusing that leftists like yourself
who enjoy blathering about free speech and the first amendment are perhaps the most intolerant among us. Look, I find
a good deal of your drivel offensive, but I still read your column, because I like to get opposing views. I still watch NFL coverage on ESPN.Mike, "If you are going to talk the talk , then you need to walk the walk!"

Posted by: fairfaxgoper | October 30, 2009 9:12 AM
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If Little Danny can't pay for it, he doesn't get it. He learned nothing from Joe Gibbs so why would Redskins fans think he would learn anything, ever? We shouldn't. All we can do is hope he relinquishes ownership of the team before many of us are too old to care. Snyder may very well be the illegitimate son of Al Davis, although Davis once knew the game and it passed him by. Snyder can't even make that claim. Alienation is no way to run any business that relies upon people with little to no money spending it on your product. Snyder may be a tremendous businessman but he is the world's worst salesman. He can't even sell lifelong Redskins fans on the Redskins under his ownership.

Posted by: i2igems | October 30, 2009 8:53 AM
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Danny Snyder is is not only bad for the redskins also for the nfl. The downfall of a great and storied franchise,very sad. Come on Danny Boy hire a good football GM and then sit back keep your mouth shut and stay out of the way,be the invisible owner.

Posted by: BJ921 | October 30, 2009 7:42 AM
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STOP BUYING TIX AND MERCHANDISE.

The only way to affect change.

Posted by: hailrskins | October 30, 2009 1:22 AM
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The next time the redskins do not score in the redzone.......throw your redskins t-shirts on the field during a TV game. they will not confiscate those

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 29, 2009 10:32 PM
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here is an idea: The next time the redskins don't score in the end zone......Throw their REDSKINS T-shirts on the field on TV in protest. they won't confiscate those.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 29, 2009 10:27 PM
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In protest of the Redskins socialist tactics to silence the Redskin faithful I call for all to bring signs saying: "Fire Vinny and/or Danny Sell the Team!".

Whoever prints up these signs and sells them at FEDEX can make a small capitalist democratic fortune.

Posted by: mbmcknight | October 29, 2009 9:48 PM
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murphyz - my god, your argument is so full of holes it is actually quite amusing. only superseded by your holier then thou attitude. for the record, i am not a skins fan and i do find the name racist. so i think i am pretty clear on the hypocrite side of that issue anyways.

when i see someone try to make a justification for racism i will call them on it. like i said, you don;t like? tough. don't read it or feck off to another site.

if you are so into people minding their own business why are you even posting here? especially when you are telling people what to do. sounds like you are not following your own directive and acting quite the hypocrite yourself. maybe time for some self examination, kiddo.

Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009 9:45 PM
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It should be no surprise that the goon squad was called out to protect the corporate image for a nationally televised game. A few years ago Snyder and other top execs gave interviewes to a Post reporter for a series on the team. At one interview one of the legal guys (Donovan?) said to the reporter -- Don't write anything bad about Mr. Snyder or someone will break your legs. They tried to laugh it off but no one stepped up to repudiate the tone of the comment. I think the article was in the WaPost Sunday magazine but their archives don't go back that far. However it was clear even then that this is a thugocracy from the top down.

Posted by: SackMan | October 29, 2009 9:23 PM
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Why doesn't everyone crazy enough to go to a game wear black shirts that say either "Fire Vinny" or "Fire Snyder" in white letters? It would probably only cost $10 to have one made. They can't possibly justify preventing that can they? I'm sure if enough people do it, it's got to end up on television.

Posted by: dawson8674 | October 29, 2009 9:17 PM
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As a Redskins fan since the late 6o's, this is the absolute low point. The only thing worse than having a bad team is being muzzled from complaining about it. The emperor has no clothes and Snyder has no class. Can management really believe they can make criticism go away by banishing it? The inmates really are running the asylum known as FedEx

Posted by: MassHoya | October 29, 2009 8:08 PM
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Please visit "Save our Redskins (Fire Vinny)" on Facebook and become a fan. Join the movement to change the way OUR team is run!

Posted by: radionick28 | October 29, 2009 7:41 PM
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How about if 1000s of fans at the next home game sing:
SnyderDan, SynderDan
Grab the money & screw the fans
Oh, Man!
Get rid of SnyderDan!
(to the tune of "Spider-Man") ;-}

Posted by: umtutsut | October 29, 2009 7:20 PM
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So how about if 1000s of fans at the next home game *sing*:
SnyderDan, SnyderDan
Grab the money & screw the fans
Oh, Man!
Get rid of SnyderDan!
(to the tune of "Spider-Man") ;-P

Posted by: umtutsut | October 29, 2009 7:18 PM
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its all part of the master plan which began in 1998. (1)field horribly dissapointing teams (2)demoralize the entire fan base, see #1 (3)make said fan base hate the organization, see #1&2..
(4)watch as fans boycott (5)pack bags
could this all be a setup, a Redskins relocation effort to Los Angeles??
just wondering.. conspiracy minded fans want to know

Posted by: bringbackRiggo | October 29, 2009 5:05 PM
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Point blank I will not attend another game. I tried it once after the move to FedEx and it was a horrible experience. I have autographs and memorabilia from the D.Green era Skins and am proud that the current Mgt will not get my cash. Money is all that talks - so I will vote with my wallet for sure. Question for everyone - when does FedEx get embarrassed enough by the team that they pull their name from the stadium!

Posted by: tpress | October 29, 2009 4:38 PM
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murphyz - no, i think i will keep posting here. and calling out racism and anti-semitism when i see it. if you have a problem with that, tough. this is a discussion forum where people discuss.
Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009
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Regardless its hypocritical and thus... you are no better than Daniel Snyder.

Its pretty tight that you are going to call out those things when you see them. I hope you are taking all races and religions into consideration. Are you going to pull your own card for being a Skins fan? As you know anyone who supports this team or uses the name "Redskins" is a racist. Which again, makes you a hypocrite (or maybe a racist).

It boils down to shutting up and minding your own business. Regardless of what you or anyone says in the media its not going to ever go away, humans hate. If you really want to do something to get rid of the bigotry then push for a bill that requires every American to serve in the U.S. Military. I've seen it work first hand. When you're life is on the line and you are the only white Christian in your squad and people next to you are getting shot, hate seems to disappear pretty quick.

Posted by: murphyz | October 29, 2009 4:34 PM
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I've been a 'Skins fan since 1980 as a boy and though I no longer live in the area (military) I've carried my Redskins colors with great pride, no matter what our win/loss record might be...that is until yesterday. This censorship and make no mistake, it is exactly that, is too much! So until this censorship stops and fans (paying customers) are treated like they deserve, I will not spend one single dollar on anything bearing the Redskins logo. It is time that Snyder got his line of thinking right and understands that he must earn our money and our loyalty.

Posted by: Hail_Victory | October 29, 2009 4:20 PM
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I have been a longtime Skins fan (30 years). Living in Vermont, I am forced to buy NFL Sunday ticket to see the Skins, which I have for years. This year, however, I did not-because I understood that everything had been changed to make the team a sucess except the one very basic thing tthsat needed changing-the owner. So I have no season tickets to sell off. But I no longer hold NFL Sunday ticket either.

Sorry, until Snyder sells-GO VIKINGS!!!

Posted by: redwhiteandbluepinko | October 29, 2009 3:39 PM
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Speaking of people voting with their feet: I've got two upper deck seats. There were a lot of un-occupied seats in the upper deck--unheard of for an NFC East game. And of the seats that were occupied, I'd say that at least half had Eagles fans in them. More Eagles fans stood up and cheered when Campbell's pass was intercepted and run back for a touchdown, than Redskins fans did when the 'Skins finally scored. Did anyone else notice this?

Posted by: POdSkinsFan | October 29, 2009 3:33 PM
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Boycott, I will not attend another game as long as Snyder has control and is on his high horse. Sell the team to someone that cares about the team, city / area, and the fans, someone like JKC. Snyder will never been 1/1000th of a man JKC was.

Posted by: rontaylor68 | October 29, 2009 3:33 PM
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BOYCOT !! This $$$ thing works both ways. Hit Snyder where it hurts. Boycott Redskin sponsors until the Censorship policy is lifted. Anybody that sells themselves as 'The Official ______ of the Washington Redskins" should be avoided and those sponsors told why ! Get his sponsors banging on his door, too.

Posted by: divertomm | October 29, 2009 3:23 PM
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If the Redskins think this is a fair policy then they need to keep it when all of the signs are positive.

It was a joke for Redskin security person to say this was a safety issue. It hasn't been an issue before because of the messages on the signs.

Posted by: Pensfans | October 29, 2009 3:02 PM
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We should start an online petition asking the NFL commissioner to investigate this personality-disordered beast who is destroying our beloved franchise.

Forcing this monster to sell the franchise is our best option. John Kent Cooke is dying to purchase this team and lead it to glory.

Posted by: wasteoftime3 | October 29, 2009 2:38 PM
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There have been other organizations that have pushed the "Take what we give you or shove it" business model. General Motors ring any bells...and now look at them...desperatly trying to "give the consumer what they want," while teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Not only does such deplorable action LOSE money, it also tarnishes a reputation irrevocably. Snyders reputation in this proud city is Toilet water. He'll never have respect, never build anything with value. People like him only understand pain... Stop going to the games...but watch at home. He doenst have more money then DC MD VA...eventually it will run out trying to cover his losses..at that point he's gone..thank god all his other businesses are bankrupt.. PEACE OUT YOU ARE NOT A WASHINGTONIAN...YOU ARE A FAKE...

Posted by: veeshul | October 29, 2009 2:33 PM
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Wear orange and blue to the next home game, anyone who bothers to go! They're the Broncos colors. I don't think they can throw you out of the stadium for wearing orange and/or blue.

Posted by: detrixie | October 29, 2009 2:33 PM
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murphyz - no, i think i will keep posting here. and calling out racism and anti-semitism when i see it. if you have a problem with that, tough. this is a discussion forum where people discuss.

Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009 2:24 PM
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Wear BLACK to the games, stop wearing the burgundy and gold until the sign ban is lifted.

Don't buy any concessions, sneak in all drinks and food, and share it with those unlucky enough to have their contraband confiscated.

Or just don't go, that's an even bigger statement.

Posted by: rhall2 | October 29, 2009 2:07 PM
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Let's see. Lies from the top, cover ups, avarice and greed, bad personnel choices, poor treatment of employees and fans, never served in the military. Yep, Snyder is a Republican alright.

Posted by: chopin224 | October 29, 2009 1:59 PM
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Not going to the games is not the answer. Snyder already has the money for the tickets so he couldn't care less if you actually show up. We need to find another way to make our point. Not buying any concessions is a good way. As is not buying anything from the "Hall of Fame Store" or the little satellite stores. The truth is we were never valued by the current ownership. Going to the gates with signs is also a good way. We know they are going to take them but let's make them take 40,000 signs and have to figure out what to do with them. We have to tell them, "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take this anymore!" Also, why is it that beer vendors yell in my ear 25 times a game but if I want a soda I have to walk down to the concourse to get it?

Posted by: largetony86 | October 29, 2009 1:57 PM
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Sounds like the Danny is alot like our Prez.... can't stand the heat of dissent

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 29, 2009 1:55 PM
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This does not surprise me. The midget lost me on Gibbs 2.0, first Monday night game. The vendors and and police were so excited to have us at the game early. When the game was over, i sat with my sons and 2 friends grilling waiting for the traffic to die down, one hour after game was over (about midnight). The police said we were trespassing and to pack it up or we would be arrested on direct order from the Redskins.
Danny is an idiot who can make money but has no idea what he is doing otherwise, especially customer service or building unity. The death of Taylor brought us together briefly but unless we lose a player per year, we are toast in that realm.

Posted by: shady99 | October 29, 2009 1:50 PM
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cctsbuddy - you are an idiot and just disgusting. your argument is without merit and seems to be a sad attempt to try and make some sort of warped justification for anto-semitic thoughts/behavior.
Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009
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Everyone who is complaining about whatever it is this cctsbuddy guy or anyone else has said needs to voice their opinions in another forum. From what I gathered the whole point of this article is cencorship is wrong. If CCTSBUDDY is a racist or an antisemetic then so be it, its his right. If you dont like it move to China or Cuba. Im not going back to Afganistan and dodging bullets for people who cant appreciate self centered stupidity.

Good article Wilbon, too bad Daddy Fat Sacks will never change his ways.

One positive about this season is that we've got two other pretty good teams in the district with owners who know what they are doing (although the $111 to Gil was a bit much but have got to give Abe some credit for his loyalty). Hopefully this will be the only season that I can put the Wiz in front of the Skins.

GO WIZ!!!!

Posted by: murphyz | October 29, 2009 1:45 PM
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rawilk6 wrote: "Hire a plane or a blimp. You can put me down for $20 Just make sure it is a televised game. Do they still televise losers?"


That is a GREAT idea! Doesn't cost much to have a single engine prop pull a banner behind it with the words "Fire Snyder!"


Posted by: 123cartoon | October 29, 2009 1:39 PM
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This whole thing is ridiculous! And these last 10 years have been pitiful!

As someone who has bled burgandy & gold for over 40 years, I say the only way Redskins Mgmt might get it and might care (though I still have my doubts) is if we stop giving him our money.

The players need to know that we're behind them 100%...BUT we should show our displeasure by boycotting at least 1 of the games. All in favor???

Posted by: luvgoldns | October 29, 2009 1:32 PM
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Well Snyder and the boys are showing there true colors aren't they. The arrogance he is showing can only be answered in one way. Stop showing up for games, cause that "waiting list" to disappear and stop the money from pouring in, and I am sure Danny Boy will change his tune. The only way to get his attention is to hit Danny in the pocket book. This year is a mute point all the games have been sold out, the only way to effect him this year is to not go to the games, no parking sales, beer, etc., etc., will hurt. But he is counting on Redskins fans to forget by next season and clamour for tickets again. They will sign some big name stars who best years are behind them to dazzle the fans and give false hope. You will lay down your money for season tickets and the whole thing starts over again. Right now he is sending out his flunky Vinnie to take the slings and arrows while he stands on the side lines not caring about the fans or how they feel. Make him answer for the last 10 years, let's see Dan Snyder apologize.

Posted by: seanian2002 | October 29, 2009 1:28 PM
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Hire a plane or a blimp. You can put me down for $20 Just make sure it is a televised game. Do they still televise losers?

Posted by: rawilk6 | October 29, 2009 1:06 PM
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All of these issues continue to show that Dan Snyder has no personal integrity and could really care less about the fans. The Redskins organization is now reflecting that attitude. I believe a boycott of the Redskins until he agrees to sell the team or step aside is the only way to save the team. Otherwise we will be dealing with this for the next 20 to 40 years. I for one am canceling my DirecTV NFL package. Since I moved from the DC area to Texas this is the only way to see the games. I'm spending nearly $400 to watch about 8 games of this. It breaks my heart but if enough fans do this Dan will have to listen or go broke. Either way we get the team back.

Posted by: sgwat62 | October 29, 2009 1:00 PM
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Danny Boy...you need to grow up! You are an embarrassment to all of us that hold the Redskins tradition near and dear. You act like a small child who tells his friends that if they don't play by his rules, he is going to take his toys and go home. In this case, please go home...sell your toys. We want OUR football team back. Until then, I will not be renewing my season tickets or attending ANY more games. A am a loyal Redskins fan but, I will not pay to be insulted further by a spoiled, incompetent brat.

Posted by: CalvertCitizen | October 29, 2009 12:52 PM
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People shoule bring a big sign that says simply "freedom of speech" or "my first amendment rights". Or a big sign that is a replica of a skins ticket. Just so you can get a picture of Schred Ex security ripping it up and throwing it in the trash.

Posted by: cjzimm | October 29, 2009 12:37 PM
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Man, I hate it when these sports conversations spiral into politics, but there is one thing I'd like to clarify about the Snyder/Obama comparisons:

Obama isn't censoring anyone. He isn't preventing Fox News from broadcasting, or from covering him, his policies or the White House. He's not threatening them. He's simply said "I don't believe they cover me fairly, so I won't cooperate with them." There's a difference between ignoring your critics and trying to silence them. Obama is engaged in the former; Snyder is attempting the latter.

Posted by: Tempy_McJobhunt | October 29, 2009 12:34 PM
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People shoule bring a big sign that says simply "freedom of speech" or "my first amendment rights". Or a big sign that is a replica of a skins ticket. Just so you can get a picture of Schred Ex security ripping it up and throwing it in the trash.

Posted by: cjzimm | October 29, 2009 12:33 PM
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Does Snyder own the airspace above FedEx?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A friend of mine from Philadelphia gave this suggestion, which apparently was used at an Eagles game years ago when they were dreadful. Hire a plane to fly around the stadium with a banner. I think seeing "Snyder, Fire Vinny and sell the team" flying overhead for 3 hours would garner attention they couldn't stop with any yellow jacketed security guy.

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Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 29, 2009 12:27 PM
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A friend of mine from Philadelphia gave this suggestion, which apparently was used at an Eagles game years ago when they were dreadful. Hire a plane to fly around the stadium with a banner. I think seeing "Snyder, Fire Vinny and sell the team" flying overhead for 3 hours would garner attention they couldn't stop with any yellow jacketed security guy.

Posted by: svt97cobra | October 29, 2009 12:18 PM
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Speaking of censorship - am I mistaken or did the post remove the entire paragraph about anti-semitism from Wilbon's article?

Posted by: bclark4 | October 29, 2009 12:05 PM
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Wilbon: "we've got a million suckers on a waiting list." Perhaps, but we gave up our tickets 3 years ago & they persist in hounding us to re-up every year. Are there really millions anymore?
The experience is awful. DD's can't bring in a bottle of water. Can't find water fountains, forced to spend $6 on small bottle of water. Food isn't good, but is expensive. No ash trays at spots where smokers congregate - makes me look like the pig you are, Snyder. You've taken on the fans, and you will lose this one, little man. We are the "Best damn fans in the whole NFL, by God."

Posted by: underdog1 | October 29, 2009 12:01 PM
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jkblodge1, we all know what that negative stereotype is. That doesn't mean that I believe it. I don't. But unfortunately (especially in the internet age), people eat that crap up. I've grown tired of seeing that kind of stuff on message boards where someone of a certain ethnicity does something, and then some coward gets on saying "See, that's how they all are." or something to that effect.

But back to the point, Snyder seems to put money above everything else. How else can it be explained that the Skins have had one of the worst products in the NFL for 10 years, yet their the second highest revenue generating franchise in the league? Snyder had been able to ban people from walking to the stadium under the pretense of a safety concern, then proceeds to gouge them to ride a charter bus to the stadium. Suing fans who can no longer afford to buy tickets instead of moving down the 30 year long waiting list to fill the now vacant spots. And now this last gem... banning signs from the game, except for the ones that they aprove of and low and behold, those approved signs have GEICO stamped all over them. How much is he getting from that?

Personally, I think Snyder is a scumbag but I don't think that what he does is indicative of any group of people. But at the same time, I know what that negative stereotype is and for some people his behavior serves as ammunition for their point of view. Anyway, I apologize for any miscommunication on my part. I do not condone racist views and I surely don't want to be seen as supporting that either.

Posted by: Rahwaj | October 29, 2009 12:00 PM
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Hey Snyder you remind of Nixon, he knew it's crashing and all you have left is to put Vinny I mean Whiney out there to cover your lies, If your "truly" a redskins fan..SELL!!!!! because nobody's buying your brainwashed garbage, this is not 1930's Germany. Go take a ride in one of your parks...wait.. that won't happen because you know that would crash to

Posted by: tuffy6326 | October 29, 2009 11:51 AM
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WILBON, I HOPE YOU READ THESE COMMENTS:

Bigfoot just called, he and the Lochness Monster are upset by all the press this MYTHICAL "Redskins Waiting List" is getting!

It's over-inflated, over valued BS. Next year we may seriously be in danger of local blackouts unless Danny does something drastic to get the fans back.

You have my permission to use this on PTI :)

Posted by: HenryHog | October 29, 2009 11:48 AM
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Little Danny already has the money for tickets. The fans should just boycott the concessions. Don't buy beer, soda, water, food, etc. It's only a three hour game...the fans should be able to go that long without food and drink.

Posted by: wiatrol | October 29, 2009 11:48 AM
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It's incredibly sad that we have come to this - the sign ban - especially after such a dismal decade in which despite several "playoff caliber" rosters, the owner and GM have neglected to take a serious look at what each and every roster under them has had in common - the owner and GM. Just in case we weren't thoroughly angry about the sign ban, they tried to justify it by citing safety and/or visibility concerns - adding stupifying insult to injury. Mr. Snyder, we are not as stupid as you think. We know the reason for the sign ban. We know the reason for the lousy performance. Please take a look at yourself, your management team, and most of all, your GM. I have been a Redskins Fan as far back as I can remember, but you have made me dislike football altogether, and become skeptical and suspicious of your motives. Some of us are beginning to believe that you WANT the team lose.

Posted by: ascottharris | October 29, 2009 11:42 AM
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Personally, I'm at wits end. I've been a season ticket holder for 5 years and unless they start to change what they are doing this will be the last year I am. I personally dislike any and all infringements on free speech and for me, this policy if it remains is the last straw.

Posted by: rawk | October 29, 2009 11:37 AM
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Fellow Skins Fans - I agree with almost all of you that the current state of our beloved franchise is in shambles. The owner is a jerk and his puppet GM is an idiot! However, I think it would be MUCH more effective to have some sort of organized protests/boycott in addition to NOT attending the games. How can we gather fans together and come to a consensus? For those that do go to games - wear all black - we must get the word out before the next home game! Also - start a chant in the FedEx parking lot - put up and carry around tons of anti-Danny/Vinny signs in the parking lot. What do you all think?

Posted by: miserableskinsfan | October 29, 2009 11:30 AM
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I was able to smuggle 3 brown bags (with eye holes poked out )past the inept FEDEX field security when I entered the stadium monday night.

FEDEX security confiscated one from me (in my seat) at halftime...the 2nd bag was taken from me in the 3rd quarter as i was walking the concourse...and the 3rd bag was ripped from my head by a member of the FEDEX field GOON SQUAD... as I exited the stadium... as that woeful game ended.

Posted by: jrebstock | October 29, 2009 11:26 AM
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Does censorship combined with multiple ownership of media properties (radio, tv, etc) jeopardize the NFL owner's AntiTrust exemption??

Some clarification is needed referencing the AntiTrust exemption enjoyed by NFL owners.

Can this AntiTrust exemption, bequeathed by Congress and the Senate, be rescinded if the FCC finds these multiple media ownerships is in violation of the FCC's and US AntiTrust laws?

Can the Exemption be rescinded for censorship of the public opinion and/or First amendment rights?

These are all good questions for your local congressperson or Senator. And/or maybe an FCC attorney.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 29, 2009 11:18 AM
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If you want a good laugh at Snyder's business acumen, Post Snyder Communications stealing $2B from WPP of some other monolith throwing around money in the late 90's, look at SIXFQ.OB and notice that Snyder took over Six Flags at around $6/share. he was going to transform the company. It is currently trading at $.15/share. I guess it is easier to vote and saty away from six flags because most of us die hard skins fans will hold on to our season tix to pass down through our families. Danny does not know how to run a company. Period. This has nothing to do with anything but a rich boy ruining his toys in anger over not getting what he wants. Snyder and Cerrato deserve each other. We don't deserve them. Cap

Posted by: CapSam99 | October 29, 2009 11:16 AM
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Just stop going to the game. An empty stadium will be a living proof that the Redskins management are doing the right thing. If you really have to watch the Redskins, watch it on TV with your family and friends, you will have a better time.

Posted by: eusa | October 29, 2009 11:10 AM
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It's the Curse of Mark Brunell.

Brunell was a class act who showed the locker room leadership that the current team apparently lacks, he game the 'Skins their most inspiring win (Monday Night Dallas) and season (2005) in recent decades, he was the productive QB that we currently lack Campbell is a good guy but not for these circumstances) and we treated him terribly for it. When he and Coach Gibbs left they took what luck we had left with them.

Karma can bite.

Posted by: TonyKP | October 29, 2009 11:03 AM
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Rahwaj- your words were
"I've heard a lot of anti-semetic remarks myself and Snyder has done nothing but further that negative stereotype."

if you think he is furthuring the stereotype, doesn't that mean you think there is some truth to the stereotype?

c_e_daniel: What the White House is doing with Fox is no way the same as Dannyboy trying to silence his critics. Obama is not shutting down fox, they have just complained about them and trying to deny one "czar" to them(which I think was quite dumb on their part). Fidel Castro and Kim Jong-Il run their own media outlets and quash any dissenters, which is what Snyder is doing with 980 and his websites and then denying the area's other sportstalk station much access to redskins park. So while I can see a Snyder to Fidel Castro and Kim Jong-Il comparison to Obama administration into seems at best a way to take a jab at the president. I mean fox is still the number one watched news channel and they aren't going anywhere, in fact the administrations antics are only helping Fox. Were you commenting on sports blogs when Bush was denying access to the media to take pictures of the dead soldiers returning home?

Posted by: jkblodge1 | October 29, 2009 11:00 AM
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The new improved shirt policy is simply too little, too late! Monday’s harassment was the last straw, and not the reason I am no longer a “fan.” I stood there cheering my Redskins through their poor performance and not once boo’d them. Through the first half, on the way to and from my seat in section 104 I passed the usher and joked with him often about the fact that he was a Dallas fan working for the Redskins! I showed the guard my “Fire Vinnie Cerrato” shirt with pride from the moment I got there for pregame introductions.
Sadly as was the case with so many at Fed-Ex Field, when I returned to my seat after halftime I was stopped and surrounded by a half a dozen yellow jackets and told to give them my shirt or leave the stadium. I was not willing to begin a civic rights lawsuit so I relinquished my shirt for retrieval after the game.
At that moment I decided that I was done. I was no longer a Redskins fan. I should have simply left rather than give up the shirt. I felt sick to my stomach even trying to root for them knowing that I am simply perpetuating a horrible situation.
I will not watch the Redskins in person or on TV again. I will not purchase anything with a Redskins logo on it, whether it is a 99 cent cup of coffee or a $200 jersey. In addition to the team itself, I will also be boycotting FedEx, Anheuser-Busch, General Motors, Pepsi, Siemens, and E*Trade Bank. The sponsors of the Redskins are as culpable as the owner.

Posted by: patrick72 | October 29, 2009 10:48 AM
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pyrotech - i am no lawyer. but i believe when you purchase or even enter the stadium via a ticket, you have entered into a contract with the skins organization. part of the terms of the contract is that they can change the terms and conditions at any point. you basically cede most rights and power to them upon entering. but i would be happy to be corrected by anyone with more knowledge on the subject.

Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009 10:44 AM
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I'm no lawyer, but this might be an interesting way to get out of a multi-year season ticket commitment: If I smuggled in a sign, refused to take it down, and security "pulled my ticket", does that then abrogate the sales contract? Or, even if I'm banned from the stadium, am I still liable to pay for something I'm not allowed to use?

Any lawyers care to weigh in?

Posted by: pyrotech | October 29, 2009 10:38 AM
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I came from China many years ago. This looks so much like what I experienced in China. Dan Snyder should send his resume to those Chinese dictators and they will be so happy to find him a position in China. He will fix in right away.

Posted by: jiaaddress | October 29, 2009 10:34 AM
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SNYDERGATE

Posted by: atidwell | October 29, 2009 10:33 AM
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Right on, Wilbon.. I'm a Ravens fan, and have lived in MD. since 1972, so I know and have seen the history of the Skins and their fans... It's a sad thing to see what Danny Boy is doing to your franchise..You, the Skins fans have got to get organized, and get the message out..You won't take it anymore... I say have a sit in at the next tailgate at Fed Ex.. Just refuse to go in.. Have your chants and banners in the parking lots.. Or better yet, block the roads into Fed Ex, keeping ones from getting there.. Good Luck !!!

Posted by: frostanna | October 29, 2009 10:31 AM
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Funky, I agree with your statement that those who are using Snyder to bolster their prejudices and ignorance were already racist, bigots, etc... I don't know cctsbuddy or his posting habits, but I can't say exactly where he's coming from. For the time being, I can only chalk that initial statement as a bad choice of words. For the record, I don't believe any one person's actions is an argument to discriminate against a whole group of people.

jkblodge1, you need to calm down. Where in my post did I post that anti-semitism was ok? Stating a fact, that I'm hearing people making anti-semitic remarks, is not saying that I condone it. You need to read more carefully before you post.

Posted by: Rahwaj | October 29, 2009 10:28 AM
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To the previous commenter: Fox News is basically the media arm of the Republican party. For the President to call them out as such is not a big deal - it's obvious, to everyone it seems except for you or for those who would rather blather on about "fair and balanced" coverage that just so happens to be a facts-challenged 24/7 rant about liberals (with the usual exception of Shep Smith.) Nice try with the comparison to the Redskins sign ban - FAIL.

Posted by: chop1 | October 29, 2009 10:18 AM
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Seriously, what would be better than a Cowboys v Redskins game, nationally televised on NBC on Dec 27th, having a huge crowd tailgating at RFK with whatever signs they want, chanting whatever they want?
Posted by: onmywayout | October 29, 2009 7:30 AM
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I'll tell ya what would be better: an empty stadium.

Posted by: shanks1 | October 29, 2009 10:15 AM
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JKBlodge1: You are truly a mental midget. I don't give a rat's ass who the president is. You apparently do. What I do care about is that the Obama Administration (like Snyder) has attempted to eliminate news sources they view as opposition voices. Snyder has his people remove signs from the fans in the stands; the Obama Administration refused to offer equal time to Fox News and has attacked them repeatedly. To the credit of the other networks (CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS), they backed Fox News.

If you don't view these acts with similar disdain then you are either a sycophant, a fool or simply unhinged. God Bless.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | October 29, 2009 9:48 AM
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I didn't know you had it in you Wilbon. Finally, a story I agree with you 100% on.

Posted by: psock1 | October 29, 2009 9:46 AM
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I can't believe I ever defended this guy! He wants to be Jerry Jones when he grows up. At least Jones was wise enough to listen to good, successful football people ans built a 3 time superbowl winner. Snyder will never do that because he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. Example: upon the second retirement of Joe Gibbs Snyder was asked if he would now hire a GM. His response? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." He really doesn't recognize there is a major problem here! From overspending on the wrong free agents (Randel el, Lloyd, Archuleta, Haynesworth--though he is a beast) to striking out in the draft (Rogers drafted with Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman still on the board, Devin Thomas drafted with Deshawn Jackson still on the board, Fred Davis drafted when you already have a young, pro bowl tight end while doing nothing to address an aging O-line) the current "administration" has proven time and time again that it has no clue. I'll always love the 'Skins but I can't support this. And they have the nerve to be upset about getting booed or critisized in the media? We've become a national joke--worse than the Raiders because at least Al Davis has superbowl trophies that HE won. This "organization" doesn't even have the good sense to value its customers!

Posted by: largetony86 | October 29, 2009 9:42 AM
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c_e_daniel - thanks for weighing in with your belief system. but it really is irrelevant here.

Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009 9:38 AM
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I believe completely in the free market system and capitalism, but I'd rather be a poor, honest man who works hard to pay the bills and is loved, liked and respected by his family, community, and place of worship (assuming he belives in God), than an obnoxious rich man who is hated by his community.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | October 29, 2009 9:37 AM
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Dear Dan, Let's forget about what you know about football. Let's talk about this from a business perspective since that is where you have had tremendous success. You market a product that customers usually will develop a lifelong attachment to the brand. Your product is the gross sales leader in your industry. But your product's quality has steadily been in a decline to over a decade. You are not attracting new customers. Your current customer base is deteriorating. With every move you make, you seem to drive more and more of them away from the temple of corporate greed. You need only look a few miles to the north to see a client base that feels appreciated and that they matter to the brand. You continue to bring in high priced, high profile headhunters to try and prop up your business model that flame out and escape in golden parachutes. A vast majority of your employees have no loyalty to the brand, its history or its heritage and it shows. They've lost or never established a real relationship with past heroes of the company. Your business plan is failing. Your customers are turning away from your brand, and most likely will never return. You may be the owner of the company, but it is your customers who have made it the most financially successful one in the industry. You're are the owner, but it is our team, Washington's team, Redskins Nation is 8 million strong and until recently, proud to be so. Ignore us at your own peril. We have earned and demand your respect. If you make the wrong choices again after this season is over, you will have lost me and others like me for life. How many customers just like me feel the same way? How many are you willing to risk losing? Don't forget that when you lose me, you lose future generations of customers. If "those who forget the past are condemmed to repeat it" and "the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over an over again expecting different results" are indeed true, you must completely revamp your entire structure. I know you want to hoist the Lombardi trophy just as bad as your customers want to see it happen. However, our patience is exhausted with your unorthodox and uneducated approach. Bring in a solid General Manager. Give him the power and autonomy to rebuild your company. I'm just as passionate as fan as you are, a successful businessman with much more football experience that you, but I'm not qualified to run a team from a personel perspective either. If you truly value our team, do the right thing and get the professional help that this situation calls for. We will not be silenced, we will not be muzzled, we will not accept anything less than major changes. This is you last warning.

Posted by: gtojoe05 | October 29, 2009 9:31 AM
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c_e_daniel-what in the hell does Dan Snyder taking signs have anything to do with fox news and Obama? we are talking about a football team owner here. Man it pisses you off so much Obama is president that you have to bring his administrations disputes with a network that once described his and his wife's fist bump as "a terrorist fist jab" into a discussion about Danny boy not being a a#@hole. Get Over it!

Posted by: jkblodge1 | October 29, 2009 9:27 AM
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Great article Wilbon! You are absolutely correct in your assessment. While reading it, I couldn't help but see the parallel to another organization in Washington----government. You could take that same article and replace Dan Snyder's name with Obama, and the security officers with mainstream news media. In the end, it is the same result. Powerful individuals want to insert their will on the people. They don't want to be held accountable, and God forbid if you criticize them!

Posted by: stevesuders | October 29, 2009 9:26 AM
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The one thing they cannot censor is the voice of the fans. I propose rather than skip the game, the fans engage in relentless chants articulating the sentiments that they won't let us voice in the form of signs and shirts. I guarantee a few games of this and Dan will be ready to make the needed change.

Let's make Dan and Vinny's game day experience as bad as ours. When we ruin their game day experience perhaps they will get the message and improve ours?

Posted by: ala1 | October 29, 2009 9:26 AM
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What in the world does Snyder's religion have anything to do with his actions? cctsbuddy- you and the people in your office are idiotic anti-Semites, who probably say the same things about blacks and Hispanics that do things not your liking. Snyder is a horrible owner who just doesn't get it but his religion has nothing to do with it! Rahwaj- If you think its okay for people to say anti-jewish statements and you think he is furthering a stereotype, you sir are an idiot! No one race or religion makes them an idiot owner of a once proud football team. Trust me if he was Catholic, baptist or Hindu he would still be running the skins into the ground.

Posted by: jkblodge1 | October 29, 2009 9:22 AM
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I hope your correct disdain for Snyder's censorship is no greater than your disdain for the Obama Administration's censorship of Fox News. My family and I have been Skins season ticket holders for many years (we probably will not re-new this time) and I find Snyder to be a total jackass. However, in the grand scheme it's only a stupid sport, a voluntary event that all of us can stop supporting. On the other hand what the Obama's Administration has attempted to do in vilifying Fox News and denying the network the same access that other networks are given is straight out of the Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and Kim Jong-Il playbook.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | October 29, 2009 9:21 AM
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This has happened before in DC. Only it was Nixon hunkered down in the White House and once he knew he was going to be impeached he quit. Sadly Congress can't impeach Snyder....

Posted by: FLvet | October 29, 2009 9:18 AM
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Washington Convention and Sports Authority

http://www.dcsec.com/index-12contact.html

Return to Glory on the 27th sounds like a good idea....now, can we get it off the ground.

Posted by: onmywayout | October 29, 2009 9:15 AM
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Rahwaj - "[Snyder] is a living argument for anti semitism." his words not mine.

if people are using anti-semitism as an arrow in their anti-snyder quiver, they were anti-semitic before this and prolly will be afterward. trying to blame an increase of anti-semitism on snyder and his actions is specious reasoning and backwards logic. it is meant as a cover for anti-semites...

Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009 9:05 AM
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funkey, I don't think that cctsbuddy relaying his biases. I've heard a lot of anti-semetic remarks myself and Snyder has done nothing but further that negative stereotype.

Posted by: Rahwaj | October 29, 2009 9:02 AM
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cctsbuddy - you are an idiot and just disgusting. your argument is without merit and seems to be a sad attempt to try and make some sort of warped justification for anto-semitic thoughts/behavior.

Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009 8:56 AM
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Sadly Dan Snyder has another effect on a lot of people. He is a living argument for anti semitism. All the ugly stereotypes that create ant-semitism are evident in Dan Snyder's attitude and actions. Thye number of comments I hear about him that are anti-semitic are increasing at my office and also at my local watering holes. This is really sad and unfortunate and Dan Snyder has done a great disservice to the lessening of religious/ethnic intolerance by his actions.
Dan Snyder has made it easy to hate him and its a short hop to the next step of ethnic or racial hatred when the target is so disliked that most people will not respond to any slur cast about Dan Snyder. It's getting more ugly by the day.

Posted by: cctsbuddy | October 29, 2009 8:54 AM
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ah - i see - you created the fans cards. got it...

Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009 8:46 AM
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Boycott Suggestion

Let's boycott Papa John. Their toppings for TDs has become a complete joke.

Go to their Feedback URL and let them know that they're being boycotted.

http://www.papajohns.com/feedback/feedback_form.shtm?agree=0

Here are my comments in the Papa John boycott.

While I have enjoyed your products in the past, I am respectfully boycotting your store at not only Fedex Field but all stores because as a loyal Redskin fan I am tired of being emotionally and physically abused by Mr. Daniel Snyder. He has turned your promotion of Toppings for Touchdowns into a sad joke.

Posted by: gogmu012 | October 29, 2009 8:45 AM
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Fan card?! what the hell is a fan card? they actually give these out and people actually carry them? what are you, 10 year old trekkies?

Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009 8:44 AM
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A little perspective from Michigan, the heartbeat of the rustbelt.....I was in a store last weekend that sold NFL merchandise. There was a table of t-shirts of every team, including our beloved Redskins. EVERY stack was smaller than the Washington stack. It didn't look like even one t-shirt had been taken from the Washington stack. Outside D.C. it's gone from folks laughing at the organization to having disdain for it. Needless to say, I'm not flaunting the burgandy and gold around town.

Posted by: fanfromafar | October 29, 2009 8:43 AM
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There is a way to show your dissatisfaction in a unified manner. Go to http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=306392

Follow the instructions and mail your Fan Card back to Dan Snyder.

Posted by: jswanson51 | October 29, 2009 8:43 AM
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"A Return to Glory" rally at the RFK parking lot on December 27 would be so fitting. Such a rally would showcase the posters and signs that fans were not allowed to display at FedEx on Oct. 26. Would we need a permit? If so, in whose hands does that approval lie? If it can be arranged, I'm there.

Posted by: jetnarongaolcom | October 29, 2009 8:19 AM
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My mother brought me home from the hospital 40-some years ago in a Reskins shirt. I am seriously considering having her turn the shirt in at Redskins Park to Dann-o and Vincenzo, along with all my other Redskins-logoed gear. Only thing is, they'd probably try and resell it as "vintage", with a hefty pricetag.

I do know this: I'll be working very hard at finding other things to do on Sundays the rest of the season, rather than watch this embarrassment.

Posted by: edward14 | October 29, 2009 8:09 AM
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Dan Snyder has a mental illness. It cant be for any other reason he is acting this way. Mr Snyder, get the help you need.

Posted by: busdriver420 | October 29, 2009 8:08 AM
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I'm getting in line with the rest of the Redksins fans to boycott Dan Snyder! I also truly wish the fans from other teams would stop acting like we don't know what we are talking about. We (Redskin's fans) know the history and have observed the team since Snyder took ownership. We have seen the teams steady decline since then. We overpay for free-agents, don't draft well, and have no continuity. Why is it that Norv Turner succeeded in SD and Marty S. succeeded in KC? They went to teams with good and competent owners!

Posted by: haycoach | October 29, 2009 7:50 AM
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GGREENBAUM must be angling for a pat on the head and a job out at Ashburn. I'm sure he would be well paid for his defense of that little bully. And if GGREENBAUM didn't land a spot with Snyder out at Nevermore Land there's always 14th street in DC where GG could ply his or her wares.

Posted by: jetnarongaolcom | October 29, 2009 7:44 AM
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Danny ggreenbaum Snyder Ooops i didn't mean for that to get out

Posted by: mattphillips | October 29, 2009 7:36 AM
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Seriously, what would be better than a Cowboys v Redskins game, nationally televised on NBC on Dec 27th, having a huge crowd tailgating at RFK with whatever signs they want, chanting whatever they want?

Posted by: onmywayout | October 29, 2009 7:30 AM
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I have been a diehard fan my entire life. During the season I used to schedule my Sunday around the Redskin games, as I am a season ticket holder.
I will NOT renew my tickets, nor do I schedule my Sunday around the game.
The entire organization is a joke - the owner, the Vinny, coaches and players.
Players come here to get paid. Once they get the big contract, they are fat, happy and content. They have no heart!
We overpay mediocre talent, and expect superstar results! Just a complete joke and insult to all the great former players!

Posted by: danandmary | October 29, 2009 7:25 AM
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ggreenbaum (aka: little snyder proxy) would ban wilbon for life because he said not so nice things about his team! even if they are true. sad state of affairs. i won't get into ad hominem attacks on danny, as they have all been said before.

this entire affair is pretty funny. snyder is turning into a sort of howard hughes-y crazy and paranoid richy. it is obvious he cares not what the public thinks of him - see back to his tree cutting days - and has no idea how to act in society. which is my he is in self imposed isolation, albeit luxurious isolation.

Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009 7:23 AM
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GGREENBAUM GO F@CK YOURSELF!!!

Posted by: millineumman | October 29, 2009 7:16 AM
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Why not assemble at RFK for the last home game of the season, tailgate there, watch the game on the portables with other long suffering fans if you choose, just don't go to Fedex.

Posted by: onmywayout | October 29, 2009 7:16 AM
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anyone else get the feeling ggreenbaum is posting from a little cube in ashburn?

Posted by: funkey | October 29, 2009 7:16 AM
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Very clear that few people who post here actually go to the games. These are more the TV watchers, who demand to run the club although they give the Redskins no money.

As for Wilbon, I'm happily envisioning the scene at the next Redskins game he tries to attend. He flashes his press pass at the parking gate. The guy looks at it and says "Just turn around and exit the facility, sir, you're no longer welcome here. You're banned for life." Love to have that youtubed!

Posted by: ggreenbaum | October 29, 2009 7:09 AM
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I just cannot fathom why a seemingly intelligent business man (since he does make tons of money) believes that antagonizing your source of revenue (the fans) is going to get the team to play better and if they did play better would the fans still want to support the team for the treatment they've been getting.

Sound like he's just taken his ball and run home 'cause the other guys won't let him have his way.

Wonder how he treats his employees who disagree with him...

Posted by: wunof11 | October 29, 2009 6:35 AM
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Ok time for impeachment of ownership, Danny Boy needs to go, He's an arrogant little man that knows nothing of football, nothing about owning a cherished franchize and nothing about RESPECT. I've been a fan damn near as long as the DANNY BOY as been alive, I've always enjoy my Sundays watching the SKINS, now my Sundays are better spent doing nothing. Danny BOY grow up, shut and give up the SKINS you're killing them and us as fans.

Posted by: Doccwby | October 29, 2009 6:32 AM
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Aw, gee, FedEx Field is not a public forum, the Redskins management has every right to kick people out (it is all in the contract on the back of a ticket), which they have the right to change at any time, and which is posted on the web. It is their private property. The police's salaries for that time are paid by them. There is no "public forum" and the Redskins can kick out who they want. Even Wilbon.

Posted by: ggreenbaum | October 29, 2009 6:28 AM
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The ticket waiting list is a myth. We gave up ours four years ago. As the only thing served in the stands was beer, the crowds became more and more drunken. If you want a coke, walk down and buy it. Each year, despite the long waiting list, I'm offered season tickets again. Hmmmm, methinks the list is a bit short!

How to get a message through to management. If every Skins fan in the DC area wore a black armband to work every day, some how I think the message would get through.

Posted by: RobRoy47 | October 29, 2009 6:22 AM
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I hear someone is selling tee shirts displaying Danny Boy's face with a red slash drawn through it. Does anyone know where to buy them? And what would happen if ten thousand fans unzipped their windbreakers to reveal them every time the other team scores? Would all ten thousand get kicked out of FedEx stadium?

Posted by: donnolo | October 29, 2009 1:40 AM
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Snidely the sneering Owl from Rockville ... what else do you expect from that sniveling little dweeb?

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 12:57 AM
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I was a life long Redskins fan. I grew up during the Hogs and the smurfs and super bowls. I always wanted season tickets, but I have recently realized that the waiting list has become a joke. I've been at the top of the waiting list for three consecutive years. Year 1 would have been a strain, but now I have the financial ability, and I decided that I won't buy tickets from Synder. I even have a friend in the ticket office that confirmed that I was in fact at the top of the waiting list and that I could buy season tickets. I predict that people won't renew next year and that there will be no waiting list; but that Synder will make some splashy coach signing and the suckers will line up again. If that happens, then remaining Redskins fans will take the title as the dumbest and drunkest fans in the NFL.

Posted by: bermudml | October 29, 2009 12:28 AM
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I just laughed remembering that Shrimp doesn't talk to the media during the season. Hilarious. "Hey Vinny, get up and go tell Donovan to announce we're not allowing signs anymore because nobody, and I mean nobody offends Mr. Snyder." Yes, Mr. Snyder. "Oh, and when you're done with that, call Geico and let them know we'll be giving out their signs on Monday Night" Oh, that's a really swell idea Danny. "Excuse me." I mean, yes Mr. Snyder.

Posted by: wcasey1 | October 28, 2009 11:51 PM
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We need someone to come up with a GREAT idea that will truly bring about CHANGE. There is already momentum building in this direction...a few more lost games in the next few weeks could galvanize fans' displeasure in a way we've never seen in DC. This is necessary. Something has to be done to COMMUNICATE to Snyder that we're not satisfied with the "product" that he has given us as customers. Revolt! Overthrow the tyranny!

Posted by: humen8r | October 28, 2009 10:58 PM
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Does Dan Snyder own Johnnie Rockets? NO WONDER THEY NO LONGER SERVE HEINZ KETCHUP. I went there recently and they are now serving the worst vinegary tasting kethup I've ever experienced. Heck, the only reason I ate there was for their fries. No mas.

Posted by: gramps4 | October 28, 2009 10:37 PM
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I mean THANK YOU

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | October 28, 2009 10:01 PM
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Thak you DEBOZ1970

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | October 28, 2009 10:00 PM
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A misnomer that seems to be repeated is that fed ex isn't a public venue. This is semi true. Further while the team technically owns the stadium, one needs to find out how much is owed, who pays for all those police that are at the games, how much public funding was provided for infrastructure on the property, and last but not least and most important realize that a redskin game IS a public event. Anyone is free to purchase a ticket. This is important. Most who purchase tickets have entered into a contract and the team has changed that contract without notification. If they did so during the offseason prior to people paying, but that is not the case. Also, they can in no way tell one whAt they can or cannot wear (vulgarity aside). If this were the case one could decide blue jeans were innapropriate because snyder didn't like them

Posted by: JDB1 | October 28, 2009 9:58 PM
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As I have been saying for the last couple of years, boycott the games and spend that money on a nice home theater system and watch your beloved 'Skins on TV instead of handing Dannyboy your money...Please don't spend your hard earned money feeding this dictator. God I pray that he has a heart attack!

Posted by: mofares | October 28, 2009 8:25 PM
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Snyder, you parchment-skinned, elfin POS, Wilbon has you pegged walking in the door. I've been a Skins fan longer than you've been alive, and I've had enough of YOU, your sub-simian lap lizard Vinny, the unplumbable depths of your avarice, your pathetic Napoleon complex (you're an insult to Bonaparte himself), and your ham-handed attempts at playing make-believe coach like it was 3rd grade recess in the schoolyard. I officially call it quits with this ongoing Keystone Kops serial you call your 'team'. My late father was a lifelong Steelers fan, and it's about time I get his dusty-but-trusty Terrible Towel out of the bottom of the closet. At least the Rooney family has two things you'll NEVER earn: dignity and Super Bowl trophies. Now go back to running your Six Flags Over Dannyland and Johnny Horseburgers into the ground, you arrogant little amoeba.

Posted by: ericenderle | October 28, 2009 8:13 PM
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This is the most fan unfriendly behavior by an owner in US pro sports history, and will be a permanent mark against this franchise. As horrible as Angelos is, this is 100x worse. The NBA made the former Cavs owner sell, the NFL will ultimately have to do something. It's one thing to have an incompetent owner who can't put together a winner, the Nats have that. It's quite another to abuse the fans - I'm surprised Roger Goodell is sitting back letting this happen.

Posted by: TGT11 | October 28, 2009 7:48 PM
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Wilbon's lead-in article states:
Don't get me wrong, any sign that contains any vulgar words or images should be removed as well as the person responsible for it. No exceptions.

I agree, now remove the offensive, racist logo! No exceptions.
The Curse continues! The Washington football team will have losing seasons until the name is changed!
Posted by: LanceReeves | October 28, 2009 3:12 PM

Keep your shorts dry.

Posted by: hessone | October 28, 2009 7:47 PM
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When is Danny going to start choosing the people he wants to come to the games. Like Mr. Bush picked the people he wanted to be around his speeches. See the irony here?
Posted by: DIMMY | October 28, 2009 4:41 PM
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Get over Bush so we can talk football. I also have a prediction about my comment. Save it for later.

Posted by: hessone | October 28, 2009 7:41 PM
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This is the first time I agree with Wilbon. And I'm sure he'd agree with me.

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Posted by: hessone | October 28, 2009 7:32 PM
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To VEXED50: You can Google "Dan Snyders house" and the maps part(or satellite) will punch it right up.

Posted by: dboz1970 | October 28, 2009 7:24 PM
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Can someone PLEASE post Danny boys real address so we can all write him and tell him our thoughts?

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | October 28, 2009 6:58 PM
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Hiring a new GM will not change the fact that Danny Boy will continue to run and ruin this franchise from the outside in. He is a child with a toy that he refuses to see is broken. Be a fan, Dan. Own the team, sit back, and watch the game. Stop throwing money at aging players way past their prime, retired bingo callers and coaches who have no idea what they are doing. No one (coaches or players) worth anything will work for this organization because he will not let you do your job. The Redskins will never have quality people doing what they were hired to do because he is detested. And he does not see this.

I'm going down with the ship just like everyone else. I can only hope the merchandise I've already purchased doesn't get confiscated due to my disagreement with his management style.

Posted by: juliemcghee | October 28, 2009 6:31 PM
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Swanson, the attorney who was on with Mike Wise yesterday explained Skins policy on this as no signs allowed at all due to them poking people in the head and only clothing with profanity is banned. Wise's partner hit Swanson in the mouth with reports of stories of fans being escorted out for tee shirts or chanting. Swanson said that if this happened it was "overzealous" employees not a policy change.

I think that they are pushing the limits on what they can do with censorship and cloaking it in safety policy. This is being "lawyered" as much as it can and I doubt that Swanson would set himself up as a blatant liar. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

What I do love is Wilbon accusing them of this. It goes back to the old political story about the guy who accuses his opponent of cheating on his wife. When confronted about it not being true, he says "I know, I just want to watch the SOB deny it." These guys are SOB's and it is fun to watch them defend themselves for a change. Cynical, greedy suits.

Posted by: reaganaut | October 28, 2009 6:18 PM
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So, let me get this straight, my tax dollars are paying the salary of some PG Cop to order a woman to tear up her sign of best wishes to her husband in Iraq whom is fighting to defend the rights of that PG Cop to tear up his wife's sign?

Wow, PG Cops have no shame.

Synder is worse.

Synder, you are unfit to clean the urinals of the brothel from which you were issued.

Posted by: proudgaycuban | October 28, 2009 5:59 PM
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Sent a text to the Comcast's Post Game Text Your Comments, asking Danny to Please Sell the team. The text message never made it to the screen. The response returned was 'Sorry we didn't understand you message'. They understood alright. Danny's hands are in everything.

Posted by: washp1 | October 28, 2009 5:44 PM
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I'm surprised Danny hasn't thought of this yet. Just charge people for bringing the signs into the stadium. Geico is willing to do it. Budweiser is willing to do it. Why not the guy in section 400, row L, seat 9? Ticket holders have shown that they're willing to overpay for everything else. Why not charge to express an opinion?

Posted by: dboz1970 | October 28, 2009 5:44 PM
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to the idiot COO,quit kissing Daniel Stalins butt,the post negativity has absolutely nothing to do with the loss of fan support,but banning signs,stopping the media from interviewing fans,and suing ticket holders is what is costing you fan support you fruity punk.

Posted by: xpac69 | October 28, 2009 5:43 PM
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Mike,

Please make this a topic on PTI. It's a fabulous, incredible story. It is certainly worthy of a news segment. Or at at least a "Happy Trails" mention to Signs at Redskins Games.

Posted by: michaelmagnus9 | October 28, 2009 5:24 PM
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The Washington Redskins.


Storied franchise of a bygone era.


Now the laughingstock of the league; we

are mentioned in the same breath as

the Rams, Browns, Raiders, *shutters*

Lions--yes, the same Lions that beat us.

In football. Fairly. *vomits*


When I wear my Stephen Davis #48 on gameday some people snicker, folks point, others sneer; and I live in Carolina Panthers country.


The solution is simple people: LA or London. The Danny will undoubtedly send this American icon off to the highest bidder just as we've all reached the tipping point.


Selah; redemption may be coming. The best we can hope for is to come back a la Cleveland Brown's v2.0

*sobs uncontrollably*

Posted by: sandyBaby | October 28, 2009 5:17 PM
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Rucks35,
You are an enabler. Pure and simple. If you enjoy the non-service and the abuse (just because you waited 10 years to get tickets) then you should just suck it up and keep giving your money to Danny boy.

I have four tickets--two in Club Level and two in Section 232. From this day forward those seats are empty. Club seats will not be renewed for next year. I will be down to two seats. And if Cerrato is still around come January those two seats will go back in the hopper as well.

Snyder understands no butts in the seats means no money. He's not stupid, just ignorant of football (having never played), very stubborn and ultra arrogant.

Posted by: LarryJohnson1 | October 28, 2009 5:15 PM
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2010 Washington Redskins + 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars.

Posted by: tigerjag3330 | October 28, 2009 5:09 PM
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I have been offered season tickets every year for the last two years.... I love my skins but it aint unconditional love:) I made up my mind that no more money is being dropped for this team out of my pocket. I will go to the games when offered free tickets (look, the ticket is paid for regardless if I go or not) but I do all of my partying outside. I have yet to spend any money in the stadium and making him richer..... I did forfeit tix for Monday because I was just fed up. Just like Napolean and Communists leaders and dictators.... they all eventually were taken down...... "Danny, you either for goodness or badness of the world... I had to give boys younger than you the chair, did not want to do it but I had to" I had to throw in some paraphrasing with a Caddyshack moment.

Posted by: rvanags | October 28, 2009 4:50 PM
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Please.

So, Wilbon, this is a matter of free speech but the Limbaugh thing isn't??

Isnt this the same thing? An owner deciding how it wants it's business appearance to be?


These drunkards are an embarassment to us anyway. The 'you suck' chants are classless.

REAL people know how to hurt a business when you don't like the product:

You quit buying it.
You dont make some stupid sign, then pay for parking, pay for tickets, pay for concessions...

Its not a public venue. Management can decide what is appropriate.

Posted by: kreator6996 | October 28, 2009 4:45 PM
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Is there any way that a class action suit could be brought against the Redskins for violating freedom of speech? If we were the guests of Dan Snyder each Sunday good manners would dictate that we mute our protests, but we're not. We're paying customers. I feel that a rally, off of Redkins' property, urging Snyder to sell the team or fire Cerrato and hire a GM would be helpful. The Washington Post IS the national media, but I hope too that the electronic national media (NBC Nightly News) pick this issue up. It' bigger than griping about a lousy team. IT'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH and this is not Nazi Germany in 1938.

Dan Sullivan MD

Posted by: jetnarongaolcom | October 28, 2009 4:44 PM
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When is Danny going to start choosing the people he wants to come to the games. Like Mr. Bush picked the people he wanted to be around his speeches. See the irony here?

Posted by: DIMMY | October 28, 2009 4:41 PM
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Banning signs at a sporting event? What is this Germany, 1933? If you're going to pay $9 for a beer, $7.50 for a hot dog, $30 to park and have to endure lousy traffic, you should be allowed to exercise your right to free speech w/ a sign. If you're going to own a major sports franchise, you should expect to take some heat when the team's pathetic. Good grief...

Posted by: randysbailin | October 28, 2009 4:26 PM
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WOW! Snyner has pretty much told the fan (the best fans in the wolrd) to "suck on it, and like it!" And that's exactly what they are going to do. LOL!! I'm actually starting to like that guy... Go Wizards!!

Posted by: Gary22 | October 28, 2009 4:26 PM
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Hey Ruck,

I get emails before every home game asking if I want to buy tickets in the lower bowl of Fed Ex. The waiting list is indeed a myth.

The waiting list does indeed exist. This is a common misunderstanding. The waiting list to get regular season tickets is extremely long (as I know first hand). I waited ten years to get tickets.
That said, ANYONE can buy club seats at ANY time. Those are sold entirely separately from the general admission seats and are priced differently. They are much more expensive than general admission tickets and provide little more in terms of the game day experience, thus demand has not yet met supply (hence the number of unsold seats).
I hope this helps clarify the waiting list misunderstanding.

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Posted by: SportsBlogRob | October 28, 2009 4:26 PM
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Ted Leonsis was almost in this same state a couple of years ago before the recent success. But instead of "cowering" behind his mansion, Ted apologized publicly to his paying customers and went with a true and tried method to get the Capitals back to contention again. Danny is a Coward, a Bully and a Mule. The fans basically gave him a chance to get back to good graces with them by demanding that Vinnie be fired and a real GM be hired, and all of the recent activities would have indicated of such a move, but by keeping silent and backing the "Imbecile" Vinnie, Danny has lost his window of opportunity.

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 28, 2009 4:14 PM
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The waiting list does indeed exist. This is a common misunderstanding. The waiting list to get regular season tickets is extremely long (as I know first hand). I waited ten years to get tickets.

That said, ANYONE can buy club seats at ANY time. Those are sold entirely separately from the general admission seats and are priced differently. They are much more expensive than general admission tickets and provide little more in terms of the game day experience, thus demand has not yet met supply (hence the number of unsold seats).

I hope this helps clarify the waiting list misunderstanding.

Posted by: rucks35 | October 28, 2009 3:56 PM
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Redskins fans are sheep who know nothing about football and continue to go to games while being robbed by the owner?

Is it really a coincidence we have 3 of the worst franchises in pro sports????? note how much the wizards improved after hiring a real GM......enjoy the games and three hour drive sheepskins fans.

Posted by: smc635 | October 28, 2009 3:56 PM
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Ruck35 is part of the problem. He won't do what is necessary to force change.

This situation is beyond wins/losses and beyond love/hate. This is about right and wrong and an intervention is needed here. And YOU the ticketholder and moneyspending fan must sacrifice for the sake of what's right. Period.

You cannot shame this man into doing what is right. If that were the case, all the bad press, the backlash from fans about everything from suing old ladies to disallowing signs would cause this man to change his philosophy. This man and his main stooge get hammered daily in the media and on the net by fans and foes alike. He has folks from other sports criticizing him for God sakes!!

He WILL NOT change because he knows that there are many like you who will simply keep taking it and taking it and taking it. He depends on your love and your loyalty to the Brand he bought; he uses that against you. Think about that: He uses your LOVE of the team against YOU.

Now let that set in for a minute.

This man doesn't want to win, he wants to win HIS way with his ridiculous methodology employed by his inept stooges.

He doesn't have to do what is necessary because YOU won't force him to.

By showing up, you tell him that what he's doing is okay; you tell him you are willing to pay the freight and stand on the deck playing the fiddle while the Titanic sinks. You tell him that you'll go down with the ship while pleading 'do something'.

And He is doing something: He's making money off you while blaming you and the media for voicing your displeasure as though you have no reason to complain. You are ungrateful in his eyes and if you give up your tickets, so what? Another fool will rush in and the cycle continues. This man doesn't respect you, he respects money.

But hey, you keep going and paying and spending, keep hoping and wishing for a miracle. Maybe it will happen in your lifetime.

Posted by: kahlua87 | October 28, 2009 3:53 PM
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Do you know what the biggest myth in this town is? The so called waiting list. It doesn't exist. Don't believe me? Call Redskins Park and ask about buying seasons tickets.

Posted by: CHICO13 | October 28, 2009 3:48 PM
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I (and my family) were 50 year season ticket holders. I gave them up this year because I was tired of mediocrity, hated my NEW seats at FED EX, disliked the intolerable parking situation, and of course the prices were ridiculous. I made my mind up when they gave the giant contract to overrated Haynesworth rather than trying to build up an obviously inferior line and find a quarterback who could lead and see the field. I have a feeling that next season, you will start seeing empty seats and the mythical 100,000 person season ticket waiting list will be sorely tested.

Posted by: bragdonb1 | October 28, 2009 3:48 PM
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I (and my family) were 50 year season ticket holders. I gave them up this year because I was tired of mediocrity, hated my NEW seats at FED EX, disliked the intolerable parking situation, and of course the prices were ridiculous. I made my mind up when they gave the giant contract to overrated Haynesworth rather than trying to build up an obviously inferior line and find a quarterback who could lead and see the field. I have a feeling that next season, you will start seeing empty seats and the mythical 100,000 person season ticket waiting list will be sorely tested.

Posted by: bragdonb1 | October 28, 2009 3:46 PM
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Put me in the category of unhappy fans unwilling to pay money to support such a terrible business operation. This censorship is despicable cowardice.

Posted by: ImIdaho | October 28, 2009 3:46 PM
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it is obvious that nothing matters to this guy but money. Solution- look at all those signs at the stadium; listen to all those unwanted intercom adds; then organize a boycott of all those companies.there will be a large and sudden income drop to mr. snyder. this will be effective without boycotting the team.

Posted by: amcduck | October 28, 2009 3:38 PM
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I can only wonder if Snyder and Cerrato get a good picture of just how HATED they are around here.

Posted by: shanks1 | October 28, 2009 3:34 PM
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If Dan Snyder is a supposedly a smart business man (heck, he's extremely wealthy) then - to me - his problem is simple to solve...just hire a GM. Let the GM put the best possible footbal team on the field, hire the best coach available to coach them (he can afford any of them) and sit back and watch his money (more of it) roll in hand-over-fist! He only has the most rabid, faithful and die-hard fans in all of the NFL and I'm one of them! The money that stands to be made from merchandising alone would be a gold mine. I grew up sitting on my Daddy's knee on Sundays watching the 'Skins...at least I have that memory. I guess the problem is the he doesn't get that WE get it! Pitiful.

Posted by: gtndhole | October 28, 2009 3:34 PM
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If Dan $nyder were on the ground next to me on fire, I wouldn't piss on him to put him out.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | October 28, 2009 3:20 PM
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I will say first off that I am a transplanted Seahawks fan. But to watch what has been happening in Redskins country is a disgrace. Dan Snyder needs to look around the league and see what it take to put a first class team on the field. Look at what the hated Pat's, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee have done! That is what it takes to put a good team out there. You need continuity and he has no idea what that is. He thinks you just throw money at it and it fixes everything.
Fire that lame GM you have hire someone who knows what they are doing sit in your luxury box and shut the hell up!

Posted by: blazn40 | October 28, 2009 3:19 PM
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Wilbon's lead-in article states:

Don't get me wrong, any sign that contains any vulgar words or images should be removed as well as the person responsible for it. No exceptions.


I agree, now remove the offensive, racist logo! No exceptions.

The Curse continues! The Washington football team will have losing seasons until the name is changed!

Posted by: LanceReeves | October 28, 2009 3:12 PM
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Everyone calling for a boycott needs to think about what they would do if they had season tickets. I was on the waitlist for ten years before I finally got season tickets.

I don't think it's fair that I should have to stop going to games and stop rooting for my favorite team because the owner is a monster.

There are other ways to voice dissent beyond giving up hard fought season tickets. I for one think that we should organize at a place that Dan Snyder has no control over (like Verizon Center or the Mall) and hold a protest. That way the only people we are punishing are Snyder/Cerrato, not the players who need our support, and not the community of Skins fans that deserve a chance to spend their Sundays together.

I understand that giving up my tickets would hit the Danny where it hurts (his pocketbook), but it would also hit me where it hurts (my love for the Skins). It's also totally unrealistic to think that over 100,000 people would suddenly tear up season tickets that they've waited for, or are still willing to wait for, for a long time.

A more realistic, and I think a method that would catch national media attention (think the Millen Man March), would be to stage a vociferous rally in a very public setting. This can easily be done and will not punish those who sacrifice so they can go to the game and root for the TEAM, not the owner. Let's make it happen.

Posted by: rucks35 | October 28, 2009 2:53 PM
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My focus has obviously been wrong. For the last year, my thoughts have focused on what the Skins need to do to improve themselves. I now see that what I should've been thinking about were the things the Skins will do to make themselves worse, since this is clearly more applicable to where we are.

We've gone from the Skins suing fans, to having sweetheart deals with ticket brokers who sell chunks of seats to visiting teams's fans, to banning signs, to muzzling interviews in the parking lot. What's next? Will we get to the point where the only vehicles allowed in the parking lot are cars like Audi that have partnership deals with the Skins? Will vehicles in the parking lot only be allowed to tune in to Snyder-owned stations? Will security remove anyone with a last name of Wilbon, Steinberg, Mitchell, Arrington, etc as guilty by non-sequitur association?

As ridiculous as these things are, can anyone now say such things are totally inconceivable? I can't. The chasm and mutual antagonism between the Skins front office and the Skins fan base is breathtaking.

Posted by: mbcnewspaper | October 28, 2009 2:52 PM
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I am a Raven's fan who's two best friends are die hard Skins Fans. I watch and cheer for the skins (as long as my boys aren't playing them), as I am always going to pull for a local, and I would like a competitive league with more parity. As well, I live in Redskins country, so I have witnessed the dismal mood this franchise's management has been able to create over the last few months. What I find most intolerable about this is the failure on Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato's part to recognize that they have screwed up. They are being called out in all forms of media, by not only the journalists, but their fans as well. If there was a player, that say, posted something on twitter that was offensive, the league would seek action. Furthermore, we as the NFL watching public, would cry out for an apology filled with contrition. Mr. Cerrato will sit in a press conference and say that he felt he provided the coach with a playoff caliber team. There are 32 teams in the league, and 12 make the playoffs. Does he really think that not addressing an obvious depth issue on the offensive line (which he admitted to knowing) is a playoff contending team? The skins have almost all of the pieces they need. But you build your lines in the draft, you have them for a long time and the more season they play together the better they get. Say you made a mistake. Stop killing your fans, financially, and emotionally. Hire appropriate personnel to make football decisions. Realize your limitations as a person, get out of the way, and enjoy owning one of the most storied franchises in football. The Skins fans and the NFL in general deserve better from this ownership.

Posted by: Supportiveshoulder | October 28, 2009 2:41 PM
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I'm a lifelong 60-year old Skins fan. I'm embarassed by the way the ownership of this team is treating the fans/customers. I'm removing my name from the waiting list and will follow the Skins again only after the ownership learns to treat the customers with respect. Oh by the way, it would be nice if the product on the field got better, too!

Posted by: bobleme | October 28, 2009 2:40 PM
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I love it...I truly do

I love the piling on, the constant barrage being thrown at the Danny and Co.

But you know what?

I won't make much difference.

Wilbon and others have pointed to it: Fans will endure any level of disrespect to gain entry because they love the team in spite of the owner/management.

Until folks simply stay home, til games are blacked out, til the League office has to get involved, this debacle will continue. If fans truly want to save this team, you have sacrifice your love and say 'No More'.

Posted by: kahlua87 | October 28, 2009 2:28 PM
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I''m not a season ticket holder and I agree with everything that's been posted here. That said, boycotting games I would imagine for some has to be a very hard choice (especially in these "lean" times). I guess my question is, aside from boycotting games, is there nothing else that can be done to show Napoleon, I mean Snyder that fans are fed up with his crap and won't take it anymore?

Posted by: getaclue3 | October 28, 2009 2:23 PM
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What ought to be the Redskins' to-do list:

1. Fire Vinny Cerrato.
2. Hire competent GM and let him/her make football decisions without interference.
3. Remove at least 90% of advertising in stadium.
4. Eliminate blaring music in between plays
5. Fire that clown who does the P.A. announcing or order him to tone it down.
6. Find someone who can provide competent food/drink concessions and lower the prices by a few bucks.
7. Put the scores of other games back on the stadium screens.
8. Consider giving out a knick-knack of some sort to the folks who paid $$$ for the tickets.
9. Consider installing 21st Century-quality Jumbo-Trons in the stadium.
10. Remove *all* obstructed-view seats and consider lessening the number of overall seats with an eye toward increasing shoulder room.
11. Reinstate shuttle service from RFK. This would greatly improve gameday experience for both drivers and Metro riders.

Posted by: acoberst1 | October 28, 2009 2:14 PM
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Amen.

Posted by: kmag1 | October 28, 2009 2:14 PM
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The American Revolution needed an outrage too to gain momentum. Tearing up signs and kicking people out of FedEx for voicing their protest is not exactly the Boston Massacre. But it will do! Stop whining, Redskins fans, and start acting: send back the paraphernalia, the hats, the mugs, the posters, etc. to Redskins Park, c/o King George III, I mean, Dan Snyder! Boycott all further sales of Redskins material! Ticket-holders, boycott FedEx! If only the Redskins sold tea, we could dump some into the Potomac... Give me liberty from Vinny Cerrato, or give me... I dunno, the Baltimore Ravens!

Posted by: eyestreet | October 28, 2009 1:47 PM
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The recent censorship of the fans by the Redskin gestapo has me trembling with anger. This is a ghastly way to treat people that are lining their self centered pockets. They can kiss my backside. Rock the Red DC fans!

Posted by: Gambrills4 | October 28, 2009 1:32 PM
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Sad state of affairs for an organization that, even during the lean years in my lifetime, always kept a proud face and work ethic.
Until now, apparently.
It's like your youth dying all over again and your memories being stolen all at the same time.
I'll hope it is just a short hibernation for sane business practices and one day I'll be able to fully proclaim "Hail!" again.
Peace- and Go CAPS!!!

Posted by: chucktownCAPSfan | October 28, 2009 1:29 PM
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