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Time to cut bait for Skins

If you feel compelled to hire a consultant to look over Jim Zorn's shoulder one week, then want to take away his play calling duties the next week, it's pretty obvious you really don't want him to be your head coach. Dan Snyder doesn't want Zorn to be his head coach anymore. But he doesn't want to be the heavy hand and fire Zorn six weeks into the season either. Talk about a mess.

The Redskins under Zorn look like a 4-12 team. There's no vote of confidence to be given, no turning this around mid-season. The Redskins need a new coach, not an interim coach. They might need a new starting QB, though we saw enough Sunday to know with certainty we can dispense with the notion that the Redskins would be significantly better with the backup in the lineup. They wouldn't.

Me? I'd try to get Greg Blache, who has been a coordinator for multiple teams and a good one at that, to step in for Zorn, and though I loathe the notion of firing a coach in-season, I'd probably do it on Monday and not wait for a bye-week. If Blache doesn't want to do it, then I'd quickly turn to Jerry Gray, a defensive assistant, who has been a coordinator (in Buffalo). The defense is the strength of the team; a defensive coach should lead the team the rest of this season, at least.

Thing is, Zorn might as well go now. Keeping him around isn't going to do him any favors and the team is on the way to becoming depressingly awful. The play-calling before halftime was amateurish at best. It was impossible not to notice at the end of the game that Chris Cooley, arguably the best offensive player on the team, was standing next to Zorn on the sideline and not on the field.

It wasn't yet "Hail Mary" time; the Redskins needed to move the ball with three or four passes, for which Cooley is ideal. Yet, he wasn't even in the game. I couldn't help but think, looking at Zorn bent over in agony at the end of the game, that it had dawned on him that he was drowning and no lifeboat was coming to save him.

On the NBC pre-game show Sunday night Tony Dungy said emphatically Zorn should say no to any more meddling from upper management when it comes to running the team, that the message has to come from the coach that if consultants and play-callers are needed, the coach has no authority, which never works. And of course Dungy is right.

This season really is over for the Redskins; I think for the first time in 29-plus years living in greater Washington, D.C., I feel sorry for the team's fans (to one of whom I'm married). I've never seen so many of them looking so droopy and depressed than Sunday night following the pathetic loss to the Chiefs. It's not just that the locals are 2-4, it's that they look so beyond help, perhaps even in this moment beyond hope. I mean, who saves the season?

Firing Jim Zorn is inevitable. But that doesn't mean a team where so much is broken will be fixed anytime soon. The line is inadequate, the young receivers still haven't proven jack. Who knows whether the new head coach can find the talent we presumed was inside Jason Campbell. I was at a function on Sunday night, immediately after the game, where it seemed every single person in attendance, many of them longtime ticket holders, seemed affected on some level by the team looking so forlorn.

Perhaps the realization is if the Redskins can barely beat Tampa and St. Louis and lose to Carolina and Kansas City, then it's quite possible they've become a homecoming opponent, a doormat. The season began little more than a month ago with locals, including some players, thinking the Redskins had 11-5, 12-4 level talent.

But in quick order the roster and the staff have been exposed as inadequate, even as in need of being replaced. No consultant and no new play-caller are going to put this broken team back together again.

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Michael Wilbon

 |  October 18, 2009; 9:41 PM ET  |  Category:  NFL , Redskins Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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What a pathetically sad story. This once proud franchise built by the Cooke's has become an embarrassment. Jim Zorn is a class act. People can say what they want about him being qualified to be a head coach; but I ask - who hired him as a coordinator, picked the staff, and then promoted him to Head Coach.

As for Shanahan or any other experienced coach, they'd be crazy to take the job in it's current state.

At this point they could clone or channel Vince Lombardi and he couldn't win in this environment. Fire Cerrato, and hire a real GM...and either Snyder needs to be replaced (I realize that's not possible) or he needs to let a real GM run the show. Eventually the franchise can be turned around. This is not Zorn's fault. This system was set up to fail.

Posted by: ENOC007 | October 21, 2009 11:31 PM
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First there are 3 things we can be sure of.. death, taxes and Snyder never selling the Redskins. So forget Snyder. For Zorn he should ride out the season.. no point in firing him cause no one good would come into this mess midseason. Bench Campbell...Wilbon saying "They might need a new starting QB, though we saw enough Sunday to know with certainty we can dispense with the notion that the Redskins would be significantly better with the backup in the lineup. They wouldn't." MIGHT need a new starting QB??? Campbell is terrible and getting worse.. Collins may be only a little better but he is better. And no we didn't see enough in 30 minutes to KNOW ANYTHING!!! I say after Eagle game name Collins the starter again. Give Collins 2 weeks to work with the starting offense.. build offense around a guy who can get rid of ball quickly and is accurate. Can't see the Skins becoming a playoff team but at least move in the right direction...

Posted by: sovine08 | October 21, 2009 7:21 PM
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I usually agree with Wilbon, but not on this one. Snyder needs to back off and let Zorn finish the season. It won't be any better with an interim coach, because the coach is only a small part of the problem. Greg Blache was talked out of retirement two years ago, but I'd love to see Jerry Gray get a shot as a head coach. Just not here and not now, where he'll simply put a stain on his resume for a real opportunity.

Re all of you who seem to feel the need to make racial comments about Wilbon suggesting a black interim coach: Our offensive and defensive coordinators are both African-American, as is Sherm Lewis. Besides Jerry Gray, who else are you going to promote. Buges? I love the man, but he was 24-56 in five years as a head coach for the Raiders and Cardinals. Not to mention that nothing he did in a past life could be bad enough to deserve working for Al Davis, Bill Bidwill, and Dan Snyder in one career.

Posted by: Charles_Day@comcast.net | October 21, 2009 3:26 PM
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Undermining the head coach by taking away his play calling and authority is probably the last way to solve the Redskins problems. But it's obviously an order that came down from the team owner who runs the team like a high school kid.

Face it Redskins fans, Dan Snyder is the Isiah Thomas of DC. In one decade, he turned one of the NFL's storied franchises into a minor league operation.

People say they have to hurt Snyder in his pocket book. The strategy is sound but it ain't gonna happen. Remember the last baseball strike when everyone said they'd never attend another game, and then what happened, new attendance records were set.

It's the same with the Redskins addicted fans, they will continue to pay the highest ticket, parking, and concession prices in the league. Nobody is going to boycott the Redskins so the billionaire will continue to rake in the money and the Redskin addicts will suffer like a junkie.

Posted by: rtbt | October 21, 2009 1:10 PM
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People have short memories, because it's obvious by the comments "We should have kept Norv Turner,or we made a mistake by not hiring Gregg Williams, we fans can be as clueless as the football geniuses that actually run the Redskins.

Gregg Williams was an unsuccessful head coach in Buffalo after leaving Tennesse and after he was fired by the Skins' did not lead the Jags to the defensive promise land last year.

And Norv Turner.... The man had seven years to prove he was our next George Allen or Joe Gibbs.

This is the man who drafted Clubber "Michael Westbrook" Lang out of Colorado bc he had skills similar to Michael Irvin.

Wasted pick here. And Heath Shuler couldn't comprehend the playbook & eventually had to retire because of a foot problem.

We passed on Trent Dilfer and he was the Super Bowl winning Quarterback for the 2000 Ravens.

With the defense in place now, we could be a playoff team.

More on the analysis of head coaching:

Some coaches are able to adapt their coaching styles to fit the players that put out on the field. Men like Andy Reid for example get my admiration for finding ways to stay competitive despite facing tremendous adversity (T.O. constant whining and me first attitude, McNabb or Garcia debate)

With all due respect Tony Dungy had Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison & Peyton Manning to lead his offense. For a defensive minded head coach this was like a dream team of offensive stars.

And even they couldn't win a championship until they improved on both sides of the ball & got rid of James in the process.

There's no crystal ball with the answers pooling about that will save the Redskins from themselves.

What they need is a serious commitment to getting better in all facets of the game.

Management have to let themselves admit to failure & take a reality check to the bank.

We are terrible. Own up to this & start developing young talent through the draft.

No more quick fixes. Orakpo is going to be a star in this league. I hope he stays in Washington for many years.

Malcolm Kelly needs to get the ball more often. His knees are not 100% but u can't catch touchdowns if you don't get the ball.

The pass protection in this game was not as bad as previous weeks.

But Jason Campbell had a bad day. Just seems to be the story in Washington.

When one thing works, another fails to pick up the slack.

Woe to the fans that remain loyal and want to cheer for their guys.

Sad to hear so much booing from the once proud masses.

Snyder please stop the madness. Hire a professional football executive to manage the daily operations.

Go enjoy the fruits of your labor.

Posted by: Sammy33 | October 21, 2009 10:13 AM
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Hey, All you ship jumping Ravens Fans! I think that the Ravens are on a 3 game losing streak right now. Maybe they lose with a little more flair?

Posted by: VegasJim | October 21, 2009 9:36 AM
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Dan Snyder was NOT a fan of the team, no matter WHAT he says. He's lying. If he were a fan, he would not have treated the Cookes the way he did.

His first move as Fantasy Owner was to cut Brian Mitchell. Nuff Said. The heart of the team, the guy laying it out there every Sunday even when we stunk up the joint, Brian Mitchell.

And Snyder cut him and brought in Dionne (more evidence) Sanders and Bruce (I'm tryna gets mines) Smith.

NO Redskin fan would have cut B Mitch. Only a sorry fan would have thought of over-paying for a locker room distraction non-producer like PrimeTime.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 21, 2009 8:58 AM
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You think YOUR team is horrible?? Have a look at the disgusting trainwreck that is my Cleveland Browns. At least the good folks of D.C. have hope - you have an owner (meddling as he may be) willing to spend big bucks on a new coach and coordinators - while we have the Mangenius and an owner whose wallet won't come out of his pocket.

Posted by: BrownPants | October 20, 2009 11:14 AM
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First, what does race have anything to do with Redskins losing on Sunday. So please stop it, some of us are a bit sensitive and although, ignorance is bliss, check yourself and learn somethings!

Second, sigh! I have given up on the Redskins. I pretty much gave up on them when they traded Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis, got rid of Lavar Arrington (yes, I actually liked the guy), when they lost the first game after Sean Taylor died, turned Joe Gibbs off of coaching and had him running for the hills, when Marty S. did not come back a second season, they way they fired Norv Turner (yes he was another I liked and had folks left him along, I think he would have succeeded here) when I saw that high caliber players could not perform here and after the fact I could no longer remember any of the starting players because the roster would change so much.

Now, I really really believe that it was a bad idea for the Cook's to sell the 'skins to Snyder, a die-hard Redskins fan and business man. I really think maybe the 'skins need to look a little deeper and change the name, get rid of the GM, the owner need to learn to delegate and be hands off and he need a mentor, I mean the guy is young and losing tons of fans, which means very soon tons of money. Then they need to rebuild yet again but smartly and invest wisely in their players. I am sorry I love Chris Samuels and I love the fact that he is a veteran but the offense stinks badly, we need a major overhaul in the offensive department. Leave the defense alone and go shopping for every postion you can think of for offense and build from there. I mean, Randle El cant' do it and oh my gosh, not Mr. I want to be like Gary Clark, Santana Moss! Bench them, Bench them all the season is over (have you guys seen the season after KC game, yeah the season is indeed over, quote me on this), bring in the reserves or bench warmers and sit these sorry starters down for good...our team stinks, the season is over but there is hope for the future. But we must start with professionals, I mean these guys are making a mockery of Snyder and his money, they actually dress to get paid for doing nothing else, that would pissed me off enough to get rid of everyone wasting my money like that...geez! But I guess in the end the players are winning after all, they still get paid big bucks to make Dan Snyder look like a loser, so pathetic.

Good luck skins, I am personally following Brett Favre and Michael Vick. Okay, some folks will really hate me, but what was the reason we did not draft Vick during the off season? He is a native Virginian who would've love to be closer to home, served his time for doing his crime and the guy can play and make plays. Okay, I don't know football politics well at all...but that was a thing that make you go hmmmmmmmmm, move.

And for the record as race is so important today, I am a black female.

Have a great day!

Posted by: legs4sure | October 19, 2009 6:36 PM
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There was the burned second rounder on Rod Gardner; what looks like TWO burned second rounders on Thomas and Kelly as WRs; and on and on.
Posted by: salbright

Gardner was a first-rounder; the 17th overall pick that year.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 19, 2009 4:51 PM
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If Snyder were to bring in a big name coach (i.e. established/proven NFL coach) next season, he would ask for FULL control. That means Cerrato is gone and Snyder stays out of the kitchen. Is Snyder willing to relinquish his powers? He did it twice-- Marty lasted one year because Snyder couldnt stand staying out of the kitchen and Gibbs II became burned out.

The only "proven" coaches out there now are Dungy and Cowher. (Gruden doesnt count). Do you really think they want to give up their nice TV gigs for this mess?

I dont think so.

I forsee Synder hiring a young, unproven coach who wants to take a chance (kinda like when Gruden took the Raiders job) and Snyder buying the ingredients.

That means it will get much more worse as a Skins fan than it gets better.

Posted by: quest4fire85 | October 19, 2009 3:53 PM
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Wilburn I want Doug Williams to coach Jason and I'm white I know Doug is blacker then Jason so I guess I'm racists too.I had tan,black, and white who worked for me and they all got along.Give Collins a week practice with the first team and see if he is better.Won't hurt now.Both Jason and Zorn on the way out.

Posted by: dcg326 | October 19, 2009 3:28 PM
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The following in parentheses is from a previous post, and SPOT ON. I would add that S. Hutchinson (The STUD guard still in the league in MN) was still available in that draft...I would also remind all fans not to forget Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders (which I will NEVER forgive) and Jeff George. I cut and pasted the following paragraph, because, well, it bears repeating.

"It was Snyder who burned a 2nd and a 6th to get Jason Taylor on loan last year. There's the Duckett trade which resulted in burning a 3rd AND 4th rounder for yet another one year loaner. There was the burned second rounder on Rod Gardner; what looks like TWO burned second rounders on Thomas and Kelly as WRs; and on and on. It was Snyder who made Archuleta the highest paid safety in the NFL -- burned a draft pick in acquiring him -- and ended up cutting him loose after only one season."

Posted by: salbright | October 19, 2009 3:26 PM
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Wilbon is a good dude so go somewhere else with the racist comments about promoting a black coach. I am white so don't respond to me saying I am racist because I am defending him.

With that said we all know it doesn't matter who is the coach. Blache is as much of a company yes man as you will find. Remember when he was flown into town and told that he would be promoted to D Coordinator and was told not to say anything to Gregggg Williams (who happened to be a good friend) because they (Snyederrato) had not informed Gregggg they were firing him.

He will be yet another proxy for Synder. With the D being the only bright spot lets not pull Blache away and have him focus on something else.

Since the season is over how about Danny Smith? He is the only one with some fire on the sidelines. The last 3 coaches we have had including Zorn look so completely befuddled it is amazing. Spurrier couldn't figure out why he couldn't take a bunch of ex-Gators and make them into a professional team. Probably lowered his handicap though. Gibbs came back as a shell of his former self (back to back timeouts) and couldn't make this same team click on offense given twice as much time as Zorn. Zorn looks completely lost and was a QB coach before being promoted so what were we expecting him to do with the same team Gibbs had?

Maybe Portis could take over since he is so tight with Snyder. No wonder you fumble when running into your own teammate and you are supposed to be a professional running back but you take off 3 straight plays after a 78 yard run? Are you serious? You are the new Allen Iverson. Practice?! Come on man we talkin bout practice!

Posted by: bigtom34 | October 19, 2009 2:58 PM
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Posted by: tjhall1 | October 19, 2009 2:02 PM
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tjhall1 = REPORTED

shouldn't you be out somewhere burning a cross?

Posted by: buster_c | October 19, 2009 2:55 PM
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1.Why, why, why are the racial agitators on this site today? Folks such as these are always accusing blacks of seeing race/racism where there is none, but they can never see their own hypocrisy. It's rather amazing to see the incredible leap of logic that goes...Wilbon suggested some black coordinators/position coaches for the interim job SO THERE,SEE THAT'S RACISM!!!-...say whaaaaaatt?!?!?!

I really wonder both the ages of these white posters and are they simply planted by the Post to stir up the pot.

Folks such as these are always criticizing Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et. al, but are actually WAY, WAY, WORSE-just inventing racial slights based on one Afro-American writer simply SUGGESTING( SUGGESTING????) a black person for a job.

I can't state it enough how AMAZING it is for some whites to read Wilbon's article and comprehend/intepret in ANY racial terms.

For those whites, a quick one-What's two plus two? Racism right?

For the record Blache shouldn't be interim coach not because of his race-ANYONE who can't see that Orakpo should playing at DE exclusively and Laron Landry, a player picked at safety ahead of RB-Adrian Peterson should be a strong safety not a free safety ( I know he sort of fell into it after the Taylor tragedy, but that was 3 years ago) doesn't deserve to be a defensive coordinator.

Whew, that was a bunch to say, but ignorant posters pulled it out of me.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 19, 2009 2:54 PM
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What's all this Bull crap about this being the lowest point for this franchise. How about Spurrier, Marty Schottheimer, Norv Turner???? How about 0-7??? Give me a break. Everything is worst as it happens. In time this will just be a blip on the teams history. People are so dramatic these days.....

Go Skins!!!!


Boycott these nuts.......

Posted by: punchdaclock | October 19, 2009 2:53 PM
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Snyder is just like Jerry Jones, except he has NEVER played the game and knows absolutely nothing about it. And if Joe Gibbs (the only person Snyder really listens to) really cared about the franchise, he'd tell him exactly that. He'd tell him to hire a strong GM and let the guy do his job - first of which would be to hire a head coach, then let the head coach help hire the assistants.

Posted by: shanks1 | October 19, 2009 2:43 PM
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A boycott of All Things Redskins is the only thing that will get to Snyder - as many who have posted here have said. We need to:

1. Stop buying from the Redskins' sponsors, including
a) Papa Johns
b) FedEx - that would really hurt!

2. Stop buying from Snyder's stores - should be easy, who wants to wear the uniform of a loser!?!
3. Stop going to the Skins' web site.
4. Stop going to games (where possible) or at least stop buying concessions.
5. Stop watching on TV or listening on radio (to lower commercial revenue) - should be easy as there has to be a better game on somewhere, any game. (And you could even check the score every now and then.)

Once revenues go down, Snyder will try to do something to rev up interest & since the signing of a big name free agent just won't cut it this time & since he can't land a big name coach (couldn't after Gibbs, so who will come now? especially after Snyder is showing everyone how he treats coaches?) - the only thing for Snyder to do it to back off and get a real football guy in.

Marty v2. The original went 8-8 in the first season. So, there is hope for that approach.

Posted by: agupta1 | October 19, 2009 2:31 PM
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Couple of things; 1) Snyder is not going anywhere, the best we can hope for is that he goes Steinbrenner and eventually hires football people to handle football. 2) Zorn must go. He makes terrible decisions with the offense, has horrible clock-management skills, and has clearly lost the room. 3) O-Line / Cerrato is a joke. How they are still playing with Heyer and the rest is beyond me. Draft a tackle, sign a guard, but do something because it doesn't matter if 1988 Dan Marino was back there if there is no time to throw you're done. Cerrato as GM must understand that and deal with it, but he has not, so he must go since this has been an emerging issue with this team for several years. 4) This team is not actually far from contending. I realize that our 0fer schedule doesn't say much, but the team has been a top-10 defense for three or four years now and Haynesworth and Orakpo have both delivered, and the special teams has been solid. If the offense were effective we would have at least 2 shutouts, and no blocked punt. Fire Zorn and Cerrato + buy a left tackle or a guard = playoffs. Fight for old DC!

Posted by: np2131 | October 19, 2009 2:28 PM
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I agree. Zorn should just tender his resignation. Taking a coach's authority to call plays is like taking away a president's power to veto legislation. I simply defeats the purpose of the authority's exsistence.

Posted by: lwilliamson1 | October 19, 2009 2:24 PM
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"namelsac1": Thanks -- let's spread the word. Somebody tell Steinberg -- he'll get the word out. Mr. Wilbon: Perhaps a mention from you would help.

Posted by: febc8 | October 19, 2009 2:21 PM
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Greg Blache? Jerry Gray? Wilbon pls, go back to writing about the Bulls. Greg Blache is by no means head coach material, he's barely defensive coordinator material. And Jerry Gray just got quoted saying he doesn't care whether DeAngelo Hall can tackle or not, he's just there for his ability to make big play INTs.

Seriously, terrible analysis.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 19, 2009 2:19 PM
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ZORN SHOULD QUIT!

Someday he'll get another job that fits his skills. Right now he should be the first one to admit he isn't get the job done.

No use waiting for Danny and Vinnie. They have no balls.

Posted by: franktrenholm | October 19, 2009 2:17 PM
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"FEBC8", that's a great suggestion. Everybody tailgate at the MNF game next week and don't go into the stadum for the game. What a great idea! Everybody do it and send the message.

Posted by: namelsac1 | October 19, 2009 2:16 PM
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I just put in a pre-order on this much anticipated autobiography: "The Life and Times of Sherman Lewis...or How I went from Bingo-Calling to Play-Calling for the Redskins in Just Two Weeks."

Posted by: KellyCat | October 19, 2009 2:16 PM
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robert48

The tickets are already paid for. So what does selling them do? Snyder has made his money off of the ticket. What owner of any bad team has sold their team because they had low attendance? If anything snyder would move the team just to spite the fans before he would sell it if they stopped coming to the games. Snyder cant fire zorn, he is his QB coach remember not to mention its a direct reflection on his own judgment. He is embarrassed to fire him. He is hoping that the skins will win a couple of games with Sherman calling the plays so he can save face when he fires zorn at the end of the season.

Posted by: ged0386 | October 19, 2009 2:15 PM
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Cerrato is there only because he is Snyder's front man. Think about it: In no other aspect of his business does Snyder put up with such outstanding incompetence. Now ask yourself why that is.

Solution: Hit Snyder in the wallet and on national TV. I propose a fan boycott this Monday. Go to the game, but stay in the parking lot tailgating, all 90,000. No one should enter the stadium. Imagine that sight on MNF. Full parking lot, empty stadium. Snyder couldn't ignore that, right? Right??

Posted by: febc8 | October 19, 2009 2:11 PM
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Anybody who thought this was a good team, let alone, 12-4 or 11-5, even at the beginning of the season, is a complete fool or a tool.

Posted by: jeadpt | October 19, 2009 2:10 PM
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You all have hit the problem squarely on the head--Snyder. So, as good Redskins fans the answer is simple: To get him out, stop buying Redskins merchandise, stop visiting the official Redskins web site, stop watching the games on TV to lower commercial revenues, (I realize y'all with season tickets can't just stop going to games, just don't boo the team), in other words, remain loyal to the team, but not Snyder. Oh, and I agree with y'all that say the name is offensive. Until they change the name, there's always gonna be a curse on this team. It's a new age, folks, get over it. New uniforms would be good too.

Posted by: namelsac1 | October 19, 2009 2:08 PM
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Time to cut bait? More like time to get a good white QB.

Posted by: tjhall1 | October 19, 2009 2:02 PM
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Why can't Snyder go after a Mike Shanahan?

Posted by: Daedalus | October 19, 2009 2:00 PM
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I don't believe Zorn is the problem, although any time a team suffers like it has, the HC will always get the blame. Pointing out the play-calling was amateur at best by citing the "Hail Mary" play at the end of the half is a poor example. One, the team needed a spark and the call was to put the ball in the end zone, which Campbell failed to do. Two, put together 3 or 4 passes to move the ball? Have you watched the same 'Skins team this season? They haven't consistently put 3 or 4 anything together.

What was clearly exposed on that "Hail Mary" play, as well as, the safety was how piss-poor our OL play is. Want to fire someone? Fire Joe Bugel. Clearly, our OL is under-performing, injuries not withstanding. They cry out to do more run-blocking because "it's easier," but can't do that either. The problem as a whole is execution and it starts with the OL. Todd Collins didn't say it outright, but he hinted at it. One person doesn't execute on the line and the whole thing falls apart.

Other than this, already mentioned is an actual GM. Synder is the problem at the top. I mean, how this guy ever ran a successful anything is beyond me. Undermining his head coach, this guy has zero accountability. And who does he get to do his dirty work? Vinny. The organization as a whole is SICK. The team will NEVER, EVER reach glory again until there is a fix for the guys sitting in cushy offices upstairs reaping the benefit of the financial juggernaut that is the 'Skins and their loyal fans.

OUST DAN SNYDER!

Posted by: sooperman12 | October 19, 2009 1:58 PM
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If Napoleon doesn't want Zorn for his head coach but can't find the guts to fire him, then, to paraphrase LBJ, he's worst sumbitch that ever crawled in the grass.

PS - Not playing Chris Cooley on every offensive play is criminal.

Posted by: ennepe68 | October 19, 2009 1:55 PM
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If Cerrato was fired today, it would still take 2-3 years at a minimum to rebuild to playoff contention. What are you waiting for Danny Boy? But hey, at least Cerrato reassurred everyone we had a deep O-Line in August so we don't have to worry about that. 4-12..

Posted by: Foosball9 | October 19, 2009 1:50 PM
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I've been a Redskins fan since the 1950s. I believe the way to fix the team is to fire the owner. How. Fans must stop attending the game until he gets the message and sells. It may take a year or two. Stop attending games!
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Stop attending games and sell your tickets to visiting team fans for a $1 with the proviso that they wear their teams colors. Maybe a sea of Eagle's green or Cowboy silver would get his attention. It may take awhile but the losing will continue regardless

Posted by: robert48 | October 19, 2009 1:48 PM
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Let's look at life lessons on Control Freaks:
DC Mayor Fenty - Running a City into the Ground and the Schools Systems has a inexperience leader.
Ex-President Bush - With the help of Cheney another Control Freak could not finish the business at hand and took this Country into a second War.
Hitler - His control caused many deaths, but he still lost the War!
Adding all this up we get to Dan Snyder with his #1 Vinnie Cerrato reminding everyone that the Redskins are headed on a path of Destruction and fast. The two of them are steering this USS Redskin team like the Captain and First-mate of the Titanic! See the bergs and keep on going on your path! This Soap Opera of the Washington Redskins is getting old FAST! Sad thing is Ticket holders whether Season or the regular Ticket buyers need to start putting there foot down. So long as the Redskins are the NFL's #2 most Revenue earns in the league Dan will keep doing what he is doing.

Everyone knows in this town Vinnie must go! Also, like getting rid of Ramsey from being "Shell-Shocked" so must Zorn go! Campbell is another story, whether you love him or hate him he has done the best job one can do in a organization of chaos! If he were calling the plays on the field then yes I'd be the first to say he must go! On the other hand, who would be the perfect fit for Head Coach, look at the Redskins defense and think hard. Building and performing weekly and keeping the numbers down. Hmmm, whether the Coach is White or Black Snyder first must sit his buddy down and say its time for you to go! Next, Snyder must announce to the Fans that he is hiring a NEW GM and giving full power of Football Operations over to him. After 10 years of Ownership with poor results its time to pick your organization up, and be the bigger MAN! Man Up Danny, throwing your money around looks good, however its shows poor leadership when results are not shown to the People supplying your pockets full of Cash!

We need a Change, not at Quarterback, not on Defense, but at the Front Office and Offensive line! I said before no High Quality Coach or Quarterback would last with the Redskins so long as the Management hands are all in the pot. As a Fan I plead get your hands out of the Cookie Jar, find someone who has a proven track record at GM and Hire them fast! Show the Fans you hear our screams loud and clear! Or remember this losing a Fan Base will sooner or later have your pockets on empty!

Posted by: ifordc | October 19, 2009 1:43 PM
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I'm sorry Mike, you are wrong; the skins don't need a new head coach, they need a new owner and GM. From the very beginning you could see that zorn was in over his head (you could see it if you weren't idiots named little danny and his cousin vinny) The Seahawks picked up many offensive coordinators while zorn was there and never once did they pick him??? Wake up you morons (danny and vinny) your aren't smarter than everyone else in the NFL and you have proven that over and over again. And a word of advice for zorn- even though I think that you are over your head as an NFL head coach, I have respected you as a man. If you let that little jock sniffer, danny and his cousin vinny take away the play calling role you are making a big mistake and will lose all respect from the players and everyone else. Be a man, tell them to take this job and shove it or you will never be considered for anything higher than a position coach. This is their mess, not yours, show some dignity and go out like a man.

Posted by: Phillip258 | October 19, 2009 1:40 PM
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The number 1 problem this team has is coaching. Why is Zorn platooning people in for his best players? Cooley and Portis are the best at their position for every single offensive scheme and play. Hell if you want to go 4 wideouts Cooley is probably the best wide reciever on the team too. So yeah fire Zorn, get it over and done with.

Then,

Fire Cerrato. Vinny how do we go through the end of last season and not upgrade our offensive line? Its unbelievable that our O line had no upgrades (I like Dockery by the way, but it was not enough).

No decent coach is going to come here as long as Cerrato is here, so fire him too.

Posted by: DCDave11 | October 19, 2009 1:37 PM
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Its been obvious for several years now and there is still only one way to turn the Redskins truly around - Dan Snyder has to cash out on his investment. He's maximized the franchise value, in fact the time to sell has never been more timely because the franchise value is going to start declining rapidly with this seasons performance. There are specific individual problems such as Cerrato and Zorn, but the entire organization is a reflection of this particular owner and his approach to management. Snyder has succeeded in creating value and in marketing the product, but he clearly has no ability to manage the operations of a football franchise, and should therefore take his profits (it's doing the right thing if he LOVES the Skins as much as he and seemingly everyone that knows him have said).

Sell now.

Posted by: csh1 | October 19, 2009 1:37 PM
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Mr. Snyder owns the team, but he seems blinded by his loyalty to his friend Mr. Cerrato who at best is Mr. Snyder's Achilles' Heel. If Mr. Snyder wants to get rid of his press-painted Napolean-like persona, then he should part ways with Mr. Cerrato. (Please give Mr. Cerrato a nice retirement package and tell him to move on.) Then, Mr. Snyder should try again by meeting with a diverse group of successful, former coaches and GMs -- treat them to dinner in a nice local restaurant, which he can rent out for the night -- to figure out how best to rebuild and this time really listen without Mr. Cerrato's input. Mr. Snyder is a smart businessman and a generous human being when it comes to charities like breast cancer support. He's not an evil man or villain. He's made one big mistake and that mistake has a name -- Mr. Cerrato.

Posted by: IndependenceDame | October 19, 2009 1:24 PM
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We need to bring in a football guy into GENERAL MANGAGEMENT. That man needs to have EXPERIENCE and have SUPERBOWLS on his RESUME.
There is a man that fits this description and is available.
That man is MATT MILLEN.
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Did this moron say Matt Millen? Are you kidding me? You might as well leave Vinny Cerrato if you talking about Matt Millen. In case you forgot did you see what Matt Millen did to Detroit's organization the seven years he was there. The same Matt Millen who took WR's with Detroit's first round picks 4 years straight who all did not pan out. Roy Williams is the only one left standing and even he is suspect..

If you want a real GM how about Snyder shelling out his dollars to get Colts GM Bill Polian and/or maybe Ozzie Newsome from Baltimore who all know talent and have won Super Bowls and been to Super Bowls as GM's. How bout taking some of the money DeAngelo Hall is stealing and hire a real football GM.

Posted by: rmattocks | October 19, 2009 1:24 PM
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sorry Skins fans, but this team is too far gone for a quick fix. Welcome to NFL Hell, formerly known as St. Louis, Cincinnati, Detroit, Oakland, Kansas City. Enjoy your stay, you may be here for a while.

Posted by: garyolney | October 19, 2009 1:20 PM
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If Dan Snyder thinks that owning a football franchise is all about selling the trinkets (foam pointy fingers, bobble head dolls, $8 franks, $8 beers, etc) and that is how he is defined as a great businessman, then how does anyone expect the actual team on the field to be anything but advertisement? The medium is the message. Stop patronizing Dan Snyder's gimmicks.

Posted by: swatkins1 | October 19, 2009 1:18 PM
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Hey Mike"

Vince freaking Lombardi couldn't make anything happen with this mess of an organization. How's that saying go? "It's the management, stupid." How many coaches has little Danny had in 10 years? Six counting, Robiskie?

There's your problem, Mike.

Posted by: rg019571 | October 19, 2009 1:17 PM
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Yes fire Zorn his play calling is suspect, Vinny has got to go. Every Redskins fan around new the offense line was a problem and they did nothing to address it. With regard to players, it's time to make some changes. The defense although 4th in the NFL has yet to be really tested since the Giant game. They are subject to falling apart at critical times in the game, look at the last two games for example. Carlos Rogers misses a tackle, Hall last week failed to bring down a quarterback. The d'backs give to much cushion, teams can throw in front of them all day long as noted by the commentators from yesterdays game. This is a team in need of an overhaul. No coach at least winning coach is going to want to come here, as far as Gruden is concern face it, he inherited that team in Tampa from Tony Dungy, so I don't think he is the coach for the skins. Front office wise Vinny has got to go, he has had enough time to put together a winning team and has failed to do so. Danny is in danger of doing the unthinkable losing the redskins fan base, if he does not do something soon the skins will be playing to an empty stadium. Make the move now that we all know is coming, fire Zorn put him out of his misery and lets move on.

Posted by: aviator3 | October 19, 2009 1:13 PM
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We need to bring in a football guy into GENERAL MANGAGEMENT. That man needs to have EXPERIENCE and have SUPERBOWLS on his RESUME.

There is a man that fits this description and is available.

That man is MATT MILLEN.

Posted by: jmatrix | October 19, 2009 1:10 PM
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Hey Mike, are you and Vinny golfing buddies or something?? Why are you pretending not to see the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Everyone inside and outside of the beltway knows that this mess belongs to Snyder/Cerrato. Jim Zorn is in over his head. There is a reason why position coaches don't go directly to Head Coach with out passing 'go'. There is a process that must take place..a leader must earn their place. They can't just be plugged in and expect to receive the respect needed to get the job done. Snyder should have known better as a Leader in Industry. Let's put the blame where it needs to be, and that's right on the top.

Posted by: ralston21 | October 19, 2009 1:09 PM
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Redskins O-line Draft picks since 2000:

2009
No O-Line

2008
3. Chad Rinehart, OL, Northern Iowa

2007
No O-Line

2006
7. Kili Lefotu, OL, Arizona

2005
No O-Line

2004
5. Mark Wilson, OL, California
6. Jim Molinaro, OL, Notre Dame

2003
3. Derrick Dockery, G, Texas

2002
6. Reggie Coleman, T, Tennessee

2001
No O-Line

2000
1. Chris Samuels, T, Alabama
4. Michael Moore, G, Troy St.

It doesnt matter if you have Peyton Freaking Manning back there!

Posted by: miked6 | October 19, 2009 1:04 PM
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We know how well the franchise's fortunes changed when the Dan brought in two other consultants in Pepper Rogers and Bill Arnsparger. They sure made a world of difference with the direction of the franchise.

Jimmy Johnson said last week the Redskins need to clean house and start from scratch. The sad thing is that Marty fired Cerrato eight years ago and got rid of a lot of dead wood and overpriced players. Marty tried to get the team on the right path but instead the Dan fired him and rehired Cerrato. Two major steps backwards. Eight years later, the franchise is no better off and digressing with no improvement in sight. An aging offensive line lost its two best players and Haynesworth will add the same results that Sean Gilbert, Big Daddy Wilkinson and Dana Stubblefield did before him. Which is to say an overpriced player that won't make any major difference in the long run.

Posted by: Troughman | October 19, 2009 1:03 PM
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I am just a football fan, but I have spent a career in organizational management. Trying to manage without authority, especially with everyone knowing you have no authority, is pointless. The honorable thing for both Jim Zorn and Dan Snyder is to reach a termination agreement now. Zorn is a good man who appears to be in the wrong place. He has done nothing wrong to get here, but it has not worked out. Zorn has been successful elsewhere and he will be again, only someplace else.

Posted by: Viewpoint2 | October 19, 2009 1:01 PM
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4-12? Who are they going to beat? Even the Raiders got some lift to them yesterday.

Posted by: wwc4g | October 19, 2009 1:01 PM
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When I watched a preseason game and saw Chase Daniel taking every snap from under center after playing his entire high school and college career from the spread, I knew these guys didn't quite get it.

Considering the nonsense coming from the White House and congress these days Zorn and the redskins should feel right at home.

Posted by: alstl | October 19, 2009 12:59 PM
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I feel sorry for Zorn -- he didn't come here to be a head coach and fell into it because none of the big names two years ago would coach for Snyder. And in this no-patience, instant-success fan culture we have today, there's no time for any coach, great or mediocre, to build a franchise. Plus, since the Redskins personnel is mediocre (including what Zorn inherited), there's no chance they are capable of any one-year turnaround. Unless Snyder is willing to give up authority, the Redskins will be cursed for many seasons to come.

Posted by: JMarston | October 19, 2009 12:57 PM
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You've been here for 29 years and have had no sympathy until now? The fans are not the problem and have never been the problem. You're pathetic.

The bottom line: The coach sucks, the owner sucks, the quarterback sucks and YOU SUCK.

Posted by: porchfan | October 19, 2009 12:57 PM
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5-11, I think. Snyder's as business-smart as anyone, but football-dumb. Most of us are the other way around. He should keep Zorn til the end of season, then fire him & Vinny the day after the season. Hire a young GM first, then hire legendary coach-in-waiting. This is a lot easier than running my business!

Posted by: dhenken1 | October 19, 2009 12:54 PM
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Fire Cerrato - Hire Cowher as GM.
Fire Zorn - Hire Russ Grimm as HC. Can't think of a better person to re-tool the OL.

Posted by: mmcghee701 | October 19, 2009 12:53 PM
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I have been telling Redskins fans for quite some time now, its not the players, its not the coaches. Heck, it isn't even Vinny. The problem has been the owner. Think about it, ever since Danny-boy stole the ownership of the team away from john Kent Cooke, things have not been the same with the franchise since. Its almost as if the well-liked Cooke high-tailed it to Bermuda the next day after losing his bid from the sneaky, cunny Snyder and had a curse of sorts put on the team. It almost appears as such, but let someone explain to me, why since Danny-boy stole the team no one (coach), not even the Savior (Joe Gibbs) can get the franchise back to the pinnacle the the mighty Jack Kent Cooke had taken it. I do have one answer though. Jack Kent Cooke loved his team and players, and its a fact, they loved him dearly. Can you say the same about Danny-boy (sorry for no Cap for boy)?

Edward

Posted by: egra | October 19, 2009 12:51 PM
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DID I SAY JON GRUBER? SILLY ME! I MEANT JON GRUDEN, JON GRUDEN, JON GRUDEN!

GRUDEN FOR PRESIDENT! (AND TO START, REDSKINS COACH!)

Posted by: schmetterlingtoo | October 19, 2009 12:50 PM
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BRING BACK STEVE SPURRIER! HA HA HA HA!

Posted by: schmetterlingtoo | October 19, 2009 12:45 PM
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Need to change the team name in addition to all the other suggestions for imprving the team. Redskins is a racist and offensive term. This team has never gotten any support from me simply because of the name. What a sad, pathetic franchise this has become.

Posted by: mjk2210 | October 19, 2009 12:44 PM
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Whoever becomes the new head coach, I hope they are smart enough to sign a five year agreement and get every single penny up front since they won't last long. The coach isn't the problem...

Posted by: wolfcastle | October 19, 2009 12:44 PM
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It's a poorly run organization from the top on down, and I agree with te person who said Zorn has shown a great deal of dignity through all this (though he may be overmatched as a head coach).

As long as Snyder and Cerrato run things, focusing on sizzle (Haynesworth) instead of steak (offensive line), I fully expect the Nationals to win a World Series before the Redskins win a Super Bowl. And I think it's going to take the Nats some time.

Posted by: VPaterno | October 19, 2009 12:43 PM
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I've been a Redskins fan since the 1950s. I believe the way to fix the team is to fire the owner. How. Fans must stop attending the game until he gets the message and sells. It may take a year or two. Stop attending games!

Posted by: jrseeley | October 19, 2009 12:42 PM
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it's not the coaches fault, if anyone is to blame for the redskin woes they lay at the foot of daniel snyder who opens his check book consistently to overpriced talent.once they are signed they are marketed as the savior of what ails the skins.the players are not performing and attempts are made to lay the blame on the head coach.the blane for the redskin demise is to be placed at the foot both daniel snyder and his players which he rewards so well for under-performing/under-achieving.

Posted by: ronaldtennillegeorgia1 | October 19, 2009 12:38 PM
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The best teams are teams that you never hear from the owners(Giants,Steelers, Patriots). Hire a GM and give him total Control(If he doesn't get it you will not get a good one). Dan, just get involved in the celebration when we win the Super Bowl.Keep all draft choices. Never give up a young future star for an old player.

Posted by: kenobill | October 19, 2009 12:38 PM
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Clearly this is a case of the "Blind leading the Blind". Danny and Vinny. Here is a case of an employer wanting an employee to resign so he doesn't have to pay a severence package. He would rather have the coach twist in the wind and further embarrass himself. Shows a lot of class doesn't it!!! Danny makes the mistake of hiring and doesn't have the Ba..s to do the firing!! Danny, you're lower than whale sh..!! Don't expect me to buy anymore Redskin Products. If it ever comes to pay-per-view for the Redskins, I'll do without!!!!!

Posted by: doughboy96 | October 19, 2009 12:38 PM
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HELLO MR. KNOW-IT-ALL WILBON. TIME TO FIRE ZORN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON, AND BRING ON THE VERY PRETTY, JON GRUBER. PERIOD END OF STORY.

PHIL FULMER WILL GO TO LOUISVILLE-NONE OF THIS GRUBER IN LOUISVILLE NONSENSE-JON GRUBER BELONGS IN DC-IT WILL BE, I PREDICT HERE AND NOW (EVEN THOUGH WILBON KNOWS EVERYTHING ALREADY) AN EXCELLENT MATCH-PRETTY GRUBER MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A GOOD FIT FOR WASHINGTON, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A RACIST ASPECT TO ALL THAT, NOW, ISN'T THERE?

GRUBER FOR PRESIDENT! (AND TO START-REDSKINS COACH!)

Posted by: schmetterlingtoo | October 19, 2009 12:36 PM
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Come on...this is ridiculous. The game of football is played by football players, not managers, coaches or owners. Everyone shares the blame, but the onus falls on the people who suit up every Sunday. Firing Zorn will not help. Boycotting Snyder is stupid and will never happen.

Keep Zorn...alter play-calling and buy no concessions if it makes you feel better. Hey, I sneak a banana and power bar into the stadium every week. It is enough to get me through the third quarter, cause I usually leave by then. It gets so damn boring with our inept offense and I refuse to spend 2 hours sitting in the car trying to leave the parking lot.

Posted by: shalshah | October 19, 2009 12:36 PM
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Traditionally, Americans don't care a great deal about soccer but it looked a soccer game yesterday with most of the scoring occurring by kicking a ball. The term "football" was never more appropriate than it has been recently with the Redskins.

Posted by: chopin224 | October 19, 2009 12:36 PM
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Snyder OWNS the team, it's gonna be hard to get rid of him and his best friend Vinny. There's no solution.

Posted by: Wizards2345 | October 19, 2009 12:30 PM
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I admit that I'm still a fan of the Skins; admitting to having a problem is the first step. I'm not going to start pulling for Baltimore but there's no point in cheering for the Skins anymore, or at least until Washington's problems have been resolved. I feel confident that I can speak for many (if not most) skins fans when I ask, is there any way to fire D. Snyder. Drain the bath water, there's no baby worth saving. The only constant in the Skin's organization is Snyder but how are we, as mere fans, supposed to take back this team? Snyder has proven himself to be the richest and most spoiled kid in the whole neighborhood while the rest of the kids from the neighborhood (i.e., the Skin's loyal fan-base) watch in disbelief as we realize our team is now his team and no longer ours. Forget this or next season. I'll start paying attention again when Snyder is out of the picture, whenever that will be.

Posted by: jmayhew | October 19, 2009 12:29 PM
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Dan Snyder needs to go.

Posted by: JohnRice | October 19, 2009 12:27 PM
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Wilbon says, "The Redskins under Zorn look like a 4-12 team."

I just gotta ask ... where are those next 2 wins?

2-14. That's how it's going to end. And until Dink Snyder sells the team we can expect the same mess next year. No decent coach would ever want to coach here so long as Vinny and Dink call the shots.

Posted by: topwriter | October 19, 2009 12:24 PM
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If we step back and really analyze who really owns this team, it's a guy whose claim to fame is making money off hype and marketing. Look at his business track record and it's selling a dream not actually being the dream.

Vinnie Cerrato's mission has been to market this franchise in the same manner Dan has so in the end, it's not the wins and losses but the dollars coming in so Dan can wear the Redskin's name on his sleeve.

Vinnie brings in splashy players whose hotness factor sells product. It does not matter about the chemistry they provide so long as the replica jerseys are flying off the shelf of the Redskin Store. That revenue sounds almost like salesmanship. For every player Vinnie lands, perhaps he gets 10% commission off jersey sales and any bobble heads. No other owner would hire Vinnie for his executive football decisions. I have seen Vinnie at a baby store, guy couldnt even pick out the right diapers, so his wife said.

Dan has felt no financial pain. The Redskins are the number #2 most valuable NFL team on paper but one of the worst on the field. The only common thread is marketing. He sells the dream and fans live the nightmare.

When corporate sponsors start their exodus from the high-priced luxuy boxes then maybe Dan will finally wake up out of his coma and execute sound management decisions ala Ted Leonsis, the only respected owner in this town.

Take a page from the Captial playbook who have risen to the elite of the NHL with a proven GM, a smart coach, an owner who doesnt meddle and a fan base that get their $$ out of their ticket investment.

Perhaps Tom Cruise is gearing up for his new role as coach of the Skins. It's a perfect fit for the "Mission Impossible" series so long as is being run with the current style of management.

Posted by: skinatic | October 19, 2009 12:20 PM
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Anybody who know anything about troubleshooting is 1st found out what has change. We had 5 or 6 new head coaches with the same results. What has not changed is upper management. I think Dan need to hire a real GM and step back. He is running this team in the groud like President Bush did. You have to stick with Campbell simple because you have too many holes to file. I would trade Portis for picks. We need 3 Lineman 2 Corners 2 Linebackers 1 Wideout and 1 DE and 1 RB

Posted by: santana3664 | October 19, 2009 12:20 PM
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Hey Dan "little Napoleon” Snyder, why don't you concentrate on running Six Flags and Johnny Rockets and sell the Redskins back to the Cooke family, I'm sure Ralph and John would take over, if there still alive. You’re a businessman; you've had the skins for 10 years now. What do you have to show for it? More money.....yes. What to the people of DC have to show? NOTHING BUT A MEDDLING OWNER WHO DROVE THIS TEAM INTO THE GROUND. Do us all a favor and cut your ties with the Redskins. They deserve better and so do we.

Posted by: horne2000 | October 19, 2009 12:09 PM
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"Dan Snyder doesn't want Zorn to be his head coach anymore. But he doesn't want to be the heavy hand and fire Zorn six weeks into the season either"

I agree with the first sentence, but not the second.

It's quite obvious that Snyder doesn't want Zorn, but it should be equally obvious that being a "heavy hand" does not trouble him in the least. After all, it's Snyder's hand, which has been all over the Redskins -- and probably in some other unmentionable places -- for the past ten years, that is the reason why this team has arrived at Football Hell.

Probably the real reason Snyder doesn't fire Zorn outright is even more ominous: Snyder cannot find ANYONE to replace him. If Snyder could have obtained someone like Shanahan or Parcels, he would have taken him in a heartbeat. But it's obvious that no one half-way decent or in his right-mind wants this job, so we're right back where we were after Gibbs left.

Snyder's stuck like a bug on flypaper, unable to get rid of Zorn, but unable to find anyone to replace him. This drama could go on for quite a while. It's really quite amusing to watch.

Posted by: Gladiator2008 | October 19, 2009 12:08 PM
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Through all the troubles and tribulations, there is only one thing since 1999 that has not been replaced. Replace as many coaches, players and GMs as you want, but until ownership is replaced, root cause remains.

Posted by: perfgeek | October 19, 2009 12:07 PM
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Snyder wants to win more than anyone. The problem is that he has run this team like a fan, and not like an owner. He hasn't run the football TEAM like a business. The business of winning. The business of finding talent and building chemistry. The business of making the building blocks strong (in the trenches), the business of trading talent to get talent where it is needed. I'm tired. A tired Redskin fan. So much to say. Whatever. Our players aren't any good offensively. It's really that simple. Why let Zorn go? We still aren't going to win.

Posted by: bharn | October 19, 2009 12:04 PM
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No Zorn's fault. Keep him. Fire Cerrato. Look, we in DC like to think that our players are "all world". They aren't, and haven't been for 18 years. The problem is a lack of talent. All the coaches in the past 15 years struggled with a .500 record or so. Zorn has all the potential in the world. But he's a man's man and he'll take the blame. He doesn't have the talent!!! It doesn't matter who coaches this team if there is no talent. I'm talking offensively, of course. What kind of GM doesn't build a strong offensive line as a priority over the years? I'll tell you what kind: A fool. Cerrato isn't good at his job. And therefore neither is little Danny.

Posted by: bharn | October 19, 2009 12:01 PM
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Vinny has to go. Period. Zorn is not an NFL head coach and that's not his fault. Its on Cerrato and Snyder. We all know Snyder won't go anywhere for the next 50-60 years. SO we got to get a real actual GM in here.

Posted by: lavar609 | October 19, 2009 11:57 AM
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I agree with everyone but more importantly..he needs to change the racist name..they will never have good fortune. If u don't believe it is racist google where the term come originated and that will dispell any questions. Get rid of Snyder. Do not support them financially. When he is not making any money then mabye he will listen to the fans.

Posted by: a_andrea_27 | October 19, 2009 11:49 AM
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A general manager here would help a lot... as many have pointed out, we cannot elect our owners, so we know that as long as he wants to be the owner, then Mr. Snyder stays. But how about having a GM who has the gumption to say what needs to be said to Mr. Snyder (something like, "delegate to us, the football people, authority to do what we're good at, and give us a chance to deliver a championship team. Just sit back and watch.") Sadly, even Joe Gibbs could not deliver us another championship.

I have been feeling just like Mrs. Wilbon, dejected and disappointed. And I was at the Giants-Redskins game in Week 1. Even then it was evident that if the team was not a work-in-progress, then it would be woeful to behold for the remainder of the season. Enough said.

Posted by: jengott | October 19, 2009 11:49 AM
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I'm not a big Skins fan (Go Steelers!), but heck, they're the team that represents my chosen hometown. I could - and would - get excited about them if they put a product on the field worth watching. But they don't. It's just a really sorry state of affairs.

While they lost, too, yesterday, I feel like the Ravens have a pretty good NFL product. They're kinda fun to watch. The stadium is nice and it's easy to get in and out.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: megster671 | October 19, 2009 11:48 AM
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I don't actually think Snyder cares if the team wins - he makes so much money off it and he gets to play at being Mr football, what difference does it make to him - how else to explain the never-ending decline of this venerable franchise during his watch?

My season tickets too will be going to the next person on the waitlist. I already had to eat tickets this year that I could not unload for half price. he can take his terrible team, his $40 parking and $8 beer and stick it.

Boycott, boycott, boycott. It's the only way. Don't go, don't buy ANYThING related to the Redskins. Snyder must be hit in the pocket before anything good can happen.

Posted by: jevawter | October 19, 2009 11:46 AM
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Note to the idiots who use Dan Snyder's inept, meddling decade of failed ownership as an opportunity to state that it's somehow linked to their logo and team name: step away from the ledge you unhinged freaks. It has nothing to do with that. That same name and logo were used when they appeared in five Super Bowls during the 70's, 80's and 90's, when the term Redskins was synonymous with winning. Please take your medication. They really shouldn't allow people like you to have access to message boards while hospitalized. By the way, say hi to the space aliens you speak with. God Bless.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | October 19, 2009 11:43 AM
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As a long-suffering Raiders fan, let fill you folks in on the reality of your situation:

Dan Snyder = Al Davis without the walker. The only difference is, Father Time is providing us with a light at the end of the tunnel. Snyder's got several more decades in him...

Posted by: drewdane | October 19, 2009 11:42 AM
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To boycott, don't give your ticket away! He's still making money off of concessions!

Posted by: jgluke | October 19, 2009 11:41 AM
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I just really don't care anymore. The National Felons league is full of overpaid, whining felons and watching most of the games is like watching grass grow.

Out of all the games on any Sunday only one or two are worth watching and I have never seen so many lousy teams as there are this year. I have better things to do with my time than watch the crap they call football these days.

Posted by: robtr | October 19, 2009 11:40 AM
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The only way for Snyder to get the message to stop meddling is for fans to revolt. We should boycott one of the home games so he doesn't make any money off of it. He might take notice with an empty stadium.

Don't buy Redskins paraphernalia, tickets, Six Flags,.... All of this empowers Snyder.

Posted by: jgluke | October 19, 2009 11:39 AM
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It seems to me that this team, under Mr. Snyder's ownership, is suffering from a severe identity crisis - the team does not know who it is, what it stands for, what its strengths are, how to win. To that end, I would like to offer the following suggestion - can we, by law, remove the name "Washington" from the team's name? They don't play in the District, and most of them don't live here anyway. They can call themselves whatever they want to after that - the Lanham Losers, the Maryland Merry Men, the Mid-Atlantic Bombers, whatever Dan Snyder wants to call his team - just not the "Washington Redskins" anymore. If Snyder wants that name back, he can move the team back to the city. Then we'll know who this team really belongs to, and what it is all about - and that is an essential starting point for any winning team. Thank you to all true Redskins fans.

Posted by: ryu1 | October 19, 2009 11:38 AM
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Hello Mr. Wilbon,

This story of the Washington Redskins reminds me of a couple of years ago. My team had started out with a losing record, they had a quarterback with alot of promise but had not yet proven he was worth the time and investment put into him, the defense was carrying the team as the offense sputtered on simple plays, the star players criticized the coach and his staff, there was no co-hesiveness or unity on the team, and rumors had it that, at the end of the season, the coach (considered the worst in history) was so fired, the only question was why do we have to put up with him for another 10 weeks or so. Everyone looks at the New York Giants today, and think they are one of the most organized, best run teams in the NFL. But, almost to the day, two years ago, the mood amongst my fellow New York Fans was WORST than the mood here in DC. And then the Giants put it all together. Won a game, then another, then another, then nearly beat the undefeated Patriots on the last day of the season, then, well, you know the rest, .....(to quote an overused cliche), the rest is history....!!! So, it is possible for the Redskins to come back. But it's going to take some honest analysis, problem solving and enthusiasm to correct them. First of all, if you don't have an offensive line, no quarterback you put back there is going to do much. The QB has to be confident the line will protect him, and that is the most immediate pressing need the Redskins have. They should look to trade or pick up someone, even a veteran (or maybe, preferably a veteran), who can fill in at right guard, and likewise someone to fill in at left guard for the rest of the season. More important thought is leadership. Getting the most out of your players and making sure everyone is trying their hardest is important. But try some gruelling workouts for about a week, then give the guys a week off. Coaching is about preparation. Several times this year it looked as if the Redskins were not prepared for the "0 and whatever" team they faced. That shouldn't happen. But your coach is new and still relatively green. He's learning. And if you want a good team 3 years from now, you can't keep changeing coaches with the seasons. Right or Wrong, there has to be some consistancy. So, ownership should back off. Making mistakes is part of the learning process. When people are afraid to make mistakes, they start to react, rather than act, and that's when the real blunders occur. Finnally, the head coach needs to know his limits, and if he's doing too much, HE needs to hire more staff, an offensive co-ordinator or a play caller. I must say, I too noticed Cooley on the sidelines, and your thoughts were mine exactly....At this critical juncture, why isn't Cooley in the game? There is definately a problem with judgement here, but not something that can't be overcome. And you fans of the Re....I mean NATIVE AMERICANS, (I don't like the term Redskins. Never have. It is a perjarative. Would you call a New York basketball team the New York Niggers? ....Ok, I know some people have said that behind their backs, but this would never be their formal name....even St.John's who were the "Redmen" when I was a kid, had to change their name, and "Redmen" is not half as bad as "Redskin"...anyway,) local fans need to give your team a break and look long term. For too many years you have sought immediate gradification rather than building a winner like your winning teams in the past. Anyway, good luck Redskins fans - except against the Giants _ and have a little faith in your team!

Posted by: petersanchez154 | October 19, 2009 11:37 AM
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Here goes Wilbon again. Promote Blanche or Gray, both black. Reference Dungy who is black. No way do you want Gray as your coach after saying he wants his CB for int's and not to tackle. Wilbon - Just stay in Arizona and write for a paper uot there you racist moron.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2009 11:37 AM
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During Jimmy Johnsons' comments, two weekends ago, he mentioned that he had given Snyder the same advice (start over) six years ago. Snyder then hired Gibbs, who left after 3 yrs of a 4year deal. When Gibbs left he left an offensive and defensive succesor, which Snyder promply fired. I know everybody in Washington doesn't love Jimmy J, But, everything he said makes sense. You cant get rid of the owner. But start at the naxt level, and clean house. Oh, you might leave the ball boy..

Posted by: cstrauss100 | October 19, 2009 11:35 AM
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Ultimately, it is the ownership that makes the hiring decisions. OK, the organization might have a learning curve at first. OK, it will make poor choices in selecting management from time to time. But after 10 years what's the excuse?

Snyder was the guy who signed big money to get Jeff George.

It was Snyder who burned a 1st rounder on Ramsey.

It was Snyder with Gibbs advice who decided to burn TWO #1 picks a #3 AND a #4 to get Campbell.

It was Snyder who burned a 2nd and a 6th to get Jason Taylor on loan last year. There's the Duckett trade which resulted in burning a 3rd AND 4th rounder for yet another one year loaner. There was the burned second rounder on Rod Gardner; what looks like TWO burned second rounders on Thomas and Kelly as WRs; and on and on. It was Snyder who made Archuleta the highest paid safety in the NFL -- burned a draft pick in acquiring him -- and ended up cutting him loose after only one season.

The hit to miss ratio of for this organization flat out stinks.

A team should be getting reliable starters with picks 1 through 4. It should be getting some value in the late rounds occasionally too. It doesn't take any genius to find talent in the first 10 picks in a draft.

As far as the Zorn signing goes, this too was a case of micro-managing from the top of the org. Any self-respecting head coach is going to want to pick his OWN assistants -- not to be told in advance "these are the guys you've got to work with". After 10 years, this should have been obvious to Snyder.

It's just frustrating watching this organization operate. They make amateur mistakes again and again. Fans have underwritten Danny's learning curve for the better part of a decade now and they have one of the league's worst teams to show for it.

Several other teams are able to find much better talent with a fraction of the resources that the Skins have to burn (case in point just look at a team like Baltimore, which consistently drafts well and operates within a strict budget).

There's no question that Snyder wants to win and he's willing to try ALMOST everything in order to win. But he's unwilling to do the one thing which might actually yield a positive result.

He's unwilling to delegate responsibility AND complete authority over to a Pro to actually run the football personnel side of the equation. He's unwilling to say goodbye to Vinny C.

Snyder needs to recognize what he does well -- sales and marketing -- and let the Pros do their job without interference from him in areas where he has no proven track record or expertise. It's going to take a high quality GM at least two years -- and probably three -- to turn this organization around; provided that Snyder finally shows some degree of humility in the face of the obvious.

Posted by: JPRS | October 19, 2009 11:35 AM
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Best line from twitter yesterday: Rename the Washington team the Rockettes, as in "one, two, three, kick". Hey, laughing is better than crying.

Posted by: infoshaman | October 19, 2009 11:34 AM
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Everything you've said here is 100% accurate. Zorn is damaged goods, though with this season pretty much a lost cause, it probably doesn't matter who coaches from here on out. Better play calling and locker room tactics can't fix the poor mix of talent on the field.

The Redskins have got to blow up the team and start over in the off-season. The rebuilding process is going to take a couple of painful years before the Redskins return to respectability. There are just too many things wrong to expect fast fixes in a season or two.

The FIRST thing that has to happen is that the Front Office has got to change. Vinnie Cerrato must go; replaced by a professional General Manager with the power and credibility to say "No" to Dan Snyder and his worst instincts to throw money at overrated and over-the-hill free agents.

Otherwise, it's going to be a very long, painful few decades for Redskin fans.

Posted by: BethesdaDad | October 19, 2009 11:27 AM
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Snyder is the problem. He never played the sport, nor did Vinny and he needs to be a minute manager. 1 minute a week. Let a proven GM run the team. It wouldn´t be a surprise to me if Snyder moves the team from DC to Los Angeles. I´m a die hard fan but with the barrage of media and fan assaults on his football management skills, and an eroding fan base(his cultivation) one could predict a knee jerk reaction such as that from Synder.

Posted by: nehocdavis | October 19, 2009 11:24 AM
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This team IS cursed by its name, and until this racist name "Redskin" is changed, the organization will continue to struggle from bad karma.

People such as joelwright1 contend that the karma theory is invalid because the team won Super Bowls in both 80s and the 90s. However, interestingly enough, the controversial issue did not become prominent until the1990 season, the season in which the team won its last Super Bowl. I vividly remember this because Native Americans were staging protests at both RFK Stadium and the Metrodome in Minnesota (the location of the ’91 Super Bowl) that season. In fact, I can also remember how--because Washington had the best team in the NFL that season and the Florida State Seminoles were considered the best team in college football that year--some even accused Native American leaders of opportunistically trying to garner publicity by staging such protests.

Many sports teams, such as the one Washington played yesterday, have traditionally used Native American monikers as mascot names, out of innocent ignorance of American Indian culture and heritage. However, upon discovering that such names were offensive to members of this ethnic group, many organizations have at least changed such mascot names as a show of respect to the Native American. (Colleges such as Stanford and St. Johns, for instance, have changed their mascot names from Redmen to Cardinals). But as evidenced by the public response he made on the day his new ownership was announced years ago, Dan Synder has shown a blatant disregard toward the feelings of Native Americans by refusing to change the team’s name. His frustration year after year over disappointing seasons from this team may be comeuppance.

Perhaps instead of constantly changing the organization’s management, coaching or player personnel--moves that have for years worked to no avail--it may be finally time for him to examine ethics and change this team’s name. It’s time Danny Boy for you to enter the 21st century.

Posted by: lwilliamson1 | October 19, 2009 11:24 AM
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It's amazing that Dan Snyder ever made a dollar from his communications company, considering that he knows NOTHING about being a smart businessman. Any idiot can sign paychecks for their employees, and that is the extent of Dan Snyder's business savvy.

Of course, unless a judge orders it, he can't be forced to sell the team. Besides, anybody who buys it would be just as bad. Good people who have billions of $$$ invest their money in educational foundations and organizations to help the poor and starving. As sholes (shout-out to the WP censors) who have billions of $$$ invest their money in sports teams.

Posted by: mssnatchquatch | October 19, 2009 11:21 AM
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How can folks here still think a new coach is the solution? Until $nyder drops his control of football operations, fires Ninny Cerrato, and hires a competent and intelligent GM the 'Skins go nowhere but down.

I am so glad I live out of the DC Metro and don't have to listen to these DC sports reporters on a daily basis. Are they on $nyder's payroll too??

Posted by: mdflorals | October 19, 2009 11:13 AM
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I agree, first let Vinnie Cerrato go. He and to some extent Synder are to blame for the OL problems.

Zorn did not cause the OL problems, but he seems absolutely incapable of adjusting to the OL problems in his play calling. The two safety's (last week and the previous week) are FULLY Jim ZORN's fault. Run Portis wide from end-zone, and then drop back pass for Todd Colins last week? Wasn't Zorn a QB in a previous life?

So, Zorn should go too. I thought it best to wait for by-week, but the sooner the better.

Why replace JC? Colins can run west-coast offense a bit better, but he doesn't have a deep threat arm and he is not nearly as mobile as JC. With no - OL, mobility is a top priority. JC isn't perfect, and Colins is certainly a good guy, but JC is the guy to play, not Colins. Another bad choice by whoever is making those play calls.

Just like remember it is the ECONOMY STUPID --
IT IS THE OFFENSIVE - LINE STUPID! IT STARTS THERE!

Posted by: stamatakosnick | October 19, 2009 11:10 AM
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Just look up the road for examples of a good owner and a bad owner. The Orioles are horrible because the current owner dismantled what was one of the best organizations in baseball. The Raven, on the other had, have an owner whose credentials are similar to Dan Snyder but who has kept the football decisions to football people. Dan Snyder has made the classic business mistake. If he bought a widget company and knew nothing about widgets he would surely hire widget experts....but knowing Dan Snyder maybe he wouldn't. A team's performance starts at the top. All the owner should provide is money, a modicum of leadership, cheerleading, civic responsibility...and he needs to find the right footbsll person and then hands off. I have been saying kaddish for the Redskins for a long time. Sadly, they are beyond hope with Snyder in control. He is too immature to change.

Posted by: pdeblin | October 19, 2009 11:08 AM
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Daniel Snyder is your owner, Redskins fans, and he might keep the team for 10 years or 20 years.

Posted by: johnc_80 | October 19, 2009 11:07 AM
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Keep in mind that all tickets are sold, there is a fair wait list, especially if you want lower deck, and ticket brokers will gladly take the remainder. Parking is sold by the season, to a large extent. Not showing up really doesn't hit Snyder in the pocketbook very much. Maybe a little bit such as the Redskin's share of profits from concessions, but that's trivia.

Posted by: ggreenbaum | October 19, 2009 11:07 AM
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Race does not seem to be the issue really...fish rots from the head, Snyder-Cerrato-Zorn - the latter being a good person but an inexperienced play-caller and head coach. Jerry Jones got religion for about two minutes after he tired of losing - brought in Parcells, but went right back to a puppet when the heat was off.

Can Synder take the first step and get someone competent to run the football operation? Probably would not last long - micromanagers have an innate desire to micromanage.

In the meantime, the despair will continue. One last question, if you lose to the Lions, Panthers, and Chiefs - while the Raiders beat the Eagles, doesn't that really make the Redskins the worst team in the National Football League? Hard to dispute that...

Posted by: Vadermh | October 19, 2009 11:05 AM
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The Jack Kent Cooke curse continues...LOL

Posted by: cjcanu01 | October 19, 2009 11:03 AM
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I think Wilbon is right, this is a defensive team. I think the only way this team can become anything this season, if anything at all, is to become a Raven type team. They're 4th in defense, right? So become a defensive team and see what that does to you.

Posted by: northva | October 19, 2009 11:01 AM
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I pissed off because when I go get my pizza from Papa john's, I can't get no toppings! Shame on you Redskins at least one touchdown would have got me some peperonies.

Posted by: mobetter2u | October 19, 2009 11:00 AM
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Drastic times require drastic changes: TRADE/throw out Dan Snyder and his incompetent sidekick Vinny Cerrato! Period! Zorn is not the best coach in NFL; but no coach can thrive with the current Red Skins management. The issue is systematic …Dan/Vinny (aka dumb and dumber) will always meddle in and second guess coaches. This is NOT a healthy situation for any coach. Don Shula, the winningest coach in NFL history with a career record of 347-173-6, couldn’t save the Skins with the current management.

FANS should revolt and stop supporting this kiddo owner and his apprentice.

Posted by: JJames081 | October 19, 2009 10:59 AM
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Given these posts, I'm going to play the role of contrarian this morning. . .(disclaimer: not a Redskins fan).

But if one looks at the cold record. . .heck, the Skins are still only 2 - 4. If they beat the Eagles next Monday night (which is not implausible given the Eagles' performance against Oakland yesterday). . .they would only be a game below .500.

Ok, Ok, I don't think they are aimed for a playoff run this year, but salvaging a season by coming up with a fairly respectable won-loss record is still not out of the realm of possibility.

Posted by: joelcavicchia | October 19, 2009 10:59 AM
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Look Zorn needs to be fired today. Dan Snyder made the mistake of not hiring Greg Williams when Gibbs left. That was the progression that Gibbs left in place. Al Saunders would still have been the offensive coordinator (Gregg Williams defense in New Orleans just beat up the Giants). Now with the situation as it is Snyder needs to fire Zorn today move up one of the assistant coaches (someone with previous experience as either a defensive or offensive coordinator). Then start his search for a General Manager. He can then hire Jon Gruden at the end of the season to be his head coach.

Posted by: michael1963 | October 19, 2009 10:58 AM
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Awwww Wilbon, what do you know? Pay no attention to him Zorn. You're doing a fine job, Brownie...(smirk)

Posted by: demtse | October 19, 2009 10:56 AM
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I saw a lot of empty seats yesterday, there needs to be more. Only when the Snyderskins start losing money will that loathsome shrimp see the light and sell the team to a real live FOOTBALL GUY.

The Snyderskins will never be Champs because the loathsome shrimp has absolutely no football in him, none, nada, zilch..... Matter of fact, I bet he throws like a girl....worse even.

Posted by: jmccas | October 19, 2009 10:52 AM
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The awfulness of the Redskins offense was fully realized on the play resulting in the safety. KC rushed three, count 'em three, linemen. The Redskins had a five to three advantage on the line and couldn't keep them from the quarterback. How's this for a shake-up. Bench the entire first string. Heck, the second string might not win, but they will probably score as many points on Philly as the first string would have.

Posted by: rjchittamssr | October 19, 2009 10:52 AM
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Zorn unfortunately is in a position he can't win. He should be fired instead of resigning. At least if they fire him they owe him the balance of his contract. His major sin was taking this job in the first place.

Upon Zorn's departure nothing will change except there will be a new name or scapegoat to be blamed for terrible performance.

In order to win football games on a regular basis in the NFL you need a good solid offensive line. The Redskins don't have anything that resembles a mediocre line. In fact their line is terrible. Having a terrible line limits your play selection. Skins opponents know this and adjust their defenses to exploit the Skins lack of quality linemen. You could reincarnate Vince Lombardi and the Skins would still be 2-4 against 5 of the worst teams in the NFL. Zorn can't develop into a better play caller since he doesn't have the personnel to execute the plays. Under the old theory about even a squirrel can find an acorn once in a while the Skins may win one or two more games this season, but probably not. This is a very bad offensive team. Nothing but massive personnel changes on the offense will make it any better.

The defense is solid. I can't remember the last team to score over 28 points against the Skins. However, their considerable accomplishments become less note worthy as the offense can't score any points.

Snyder's first move should be to fire Vinny. His second should be to fire Zorn. His third should be to go out and hire a good general manager. In hiring this general manager he needs to give that general manager a budget and stay out of it. One thing is painfully clear in the last 10 years. Snyder is incapable of putting together winning programs. He's had 10 years to get it right and has failed miserably. He needs to remove himself from the day to day operations of this club if he ever wants to own a winning franchise. There is no case to be made for Snyder ever being anything other then a loser when it comes to football games.

Posted by: boblund1 | October 19, 2009 10:51 AM
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Plus they need to change the racially offensive logo which is as whole seperate debate.

Posted by: HURICARDO | October 19, 2009 10:32 AM
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you're more moronic than that statement and symptomatic of the "wussification" of America. stuff your left wing whinings in your a$$

Posted by: cnick68188 | October 19, 2009 10:51 AM
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hey didn't Brett Favre retire last year? - I know he's washed up or the Skins would have tried to sign him in the offseason, but I bet if he's just sitting around his farm the Skins could bring him out of retirement...

Posted by: levantefc | October 19, 2009 10:50 AM
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Zorn may not be coach of the year, but this mess is not his fault. Let's recap. NO ONE wanted the job after Gibbs left so Danny hired Zorn as OC, then hired his staff for him, be4 offering Zorn the role no one wanted. No One. Then hires a consultant to advise the coach. Wow. Then takes away his ability to call plays. 2-4 or 0-6, how is the head coach to be a head coach with management pulling these stunts.
Sounds like the DC Control Board and Barry some years ago. You can be mayor, but ... in job title only. The owner is the constant. Coaches and players have come and gone. So whose fault is it really?

Posted by: kedavis | October 19, 2009 10:47 AM
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Why does the Washington Post continue to waste ink and bandwidth on that miserable, no account organization known as the Washington Redskins?

The current team reminds me of the sorry 1960s teams. During that time my family watched and rooted for the Baltimore Colts. Maybe the Post can switch its local pro football coverage to the Baltimore Ravens? We readers are very weary of hearing and reading about Dan Snyder's sorry ass organization.

Posted by: Realist7 | October 19, 2009 10:40 AM
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Somewhere Greg Williams is laughing...

Posted by: Vandybass | October 19, 2009 10:40 AM
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Mike,
I am disappointed with you for making this Redskins article about race. This is not about race, it's about bad coaching hires who make bad play calls.
Shame on you for stirring up the pot!

Posted by: Bob2770 | October 19, 2009 10:32 AM
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I'm not a skin's fan, never was never will be. However, since I live in skinz country, that's all the football on to watch (just have basic cable, no football packages, etc.) and I was amazed that the only time I saw the skinz inside the red zone (inside the 10 yard line for Chrissakes!), they threw 3 times, all three passes dropped. Not one run, not even a faked handoff, and the play that caused them to be so close to the endzone happened on a run play! What no confidence in trying another run?! This was pi$$ poor play calling by Zorn. You can blame the owner and GM all you want and much of it's probably true, but what I saw yesterday was plain and simple pi$$ poor play calling in instances such as this, as well as poor execution on the side of the players, passes that were well off the mark or passes that were on the mark but the receiver dropped it. Don't remember many runs at all. It was like watching a train wreck, and since I am a fan of one of the skinz' biggest rivals (NOT the 'boys) I relished it, but even then it was hard to watch such pi$$ poor display of football.

Posted by: ATrueChristian | October 19, 2009 10:32 AM
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As long as Daniel Snyder is an owner, the Washington NFL team will continue to fail. Dan Snyder is an inneffective owner who manages his team as a fantasy football team. Plus they need to change the racially offensive logo which is as whole seperate debate.

Posted by: HURICARDO | October 19, 2009 10:32 AM
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I've heard for years, many blaming the Skins continued lack of success on Snyder. I usually agree that there is enough blame to go around, but it cannot be all pinned on him. However, I've recently come to believe that all other changes will mean nothing if real change does not happen at the top. Yes, the owner of the team...ultimately Snyder has been successful at hiring GM's and Coachs he likes (or that are comfortable working for him). We've seen the dismal results.

Nothing personal, Dan, but I think this was just not meant to be. Sell the team.

Posted by: free-donny | October 19, 2009 10:31 AM
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Mike,
Pls don't recommend the firing of Coach Zorn. It will only serve to hurt my chances of being hired by Danny when Zorn decides to walk. After all, I have no NFL coaching experience, but I can talk the game with the best of them. I am de-emphasizing the following in order to optimize my chances of getting the job:

My many years of little league head coaching experience,

My "take no prisoners" approach,

My intolerance to indifference and lackluster play.

My promoting of "BMitch type passion for "all out" hustle, "all the time."

My cardinal rule of "team first" when making decisions and arbitrating in- fighting and other squabbles that invariably come up on a regular basis.

(To wit: Denver's head coach suspending the "all world" receiver when it was called for. Check their record Danny. When truth and justice reign, it's easier to concentrate on all the little things that produce winning.)

Pls pass these next few lines on to King Daniel the 1st.

Keep bleeding the brand dry. It's why God put you on earth. To show others how being a economic tyrant is really a good thing for everybody. Keep charging the going rate for parking, obstructed view tickets, cheaply made gear. Keep suing your working class clients who come and gorge on $10 beer and $15 sandwiches. I suppose you've figured out that if they can afford those prices, there must be deep pockets, so what's left but to go for the kill.

Actually, upon further review I've decided that, along with the other estwhile coaches available for the head coaching position, I'm not interested. Move on without me! There are a plethora of qualified candidates for you. After all, you have opened up the field to just about the entire population.

BTW, Deion S, Bruce S, Jason T, Adam A, Mark C Jeff G, Trung C, all send their regards and appreciation for facilitating the transfer of your clients' hard earned money to their personal charities. Bruce gets special mention because he not only helped himself, but was also responsible for relieving Marty S from the annual losers' ball, and escaping with his own stash. In your upside down view of things, I guess Marty was the worst coach you have hired. His passion for winning and demanding style were just too much for you and Brucy. After all, your players don't get paid enough of your clients' money to put out that much effort!

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Posted by: joedafan | October 19, 2009 10:31 AM
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Good Gosh. Losing is indeed creating thoughts. Fans of the Redskins are eating each other, what with racism talk and curse talk. If I remember correctly, the Native American people who allegedly placed a curse on the team around 1987 or so, did so before the team won two super bowls.

If anyone placed a curse on the Redskins, it was The Daniel Snyder, and it was because the Redskins were his favorite team in the whole wide world.

Renaming wouldn't fix anything. A pile of dog doo by any other name would still stink.

I'm a diehard Redskins fan. Can't ever afford tickets -- heck, I can't even afford to live in the great NoVa/DC area, although I wish I could -- but my thoughts are always with the Redskins because i'm deranged.

Even so, football is just a game. A rotten team is just going to stay rotten until the owner knows that he needs to not do what he's doing to it. A non-laughingstock Redskins situation would make me happier on Sunday and all throughout the summer and fall, but life goes on.

Posted by: Meepo | October 19, 2009 10:30 AM
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Dan and Vinny keep expecting to win every year and are surprised when band aid approach hasn't worked. The team needs to have a 2 or 3 year plan to upgrade at a lot of positions. Until that happens it is just spinning its wheels until it goes into a death spiral (which is what is happening now).

Posted by: Pensfans | October 19, 2009 10:27 AM
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Listen enough of placing all the blame on ownership. I agree that many of the coaches will not come to DC because they do not want to work for Danny. The media has made him a nemisis. I agree that he is the one who hired Vinny but let's look at why we suck. No QB and no offensive line. Defense would be phenomonal if the offense was able to score 17 to 20 points a game. Defense would be dominant if they did not have to take the field so often in a game. Why does our QB suck. well it is hard to find a QB but we traded away draft picks because Gibbs had a hunch. When checking out Carlos "no hands" rodgers he discovered what he thought was an NFL caliber QB. He has all the physical tools but he does not have the mental makeup. He can not make a quick decision and lacks the confidence to make the tough throw. Ofensive line? Vinny or Zorn. what the f$%^ was that move in last years draft with 3 WR in the second round. Great to grab Orakpo this year but why not try on O line later instead of two linebackers who will never play. These decisions are not Snyders. The Defense is young. You can build an O line fairly quickly but we must continue the 20 year search for a QB and now a head coach. Easy on the owner who gives these coaches the weapons they ask for. It is the GM and coaches job to Win.

Posted by: WalkRight | October 19, 2009 10:26 AM
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Have the players given up?

Posted by: digluxx | October 19, 2009 10:24 AM
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THE SKINS SHOULD TAKE THE REST OF YEAR OFF!

Posted by: affirmativeactionpresident | October 19, 2009 10:23 AM
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Bugel is the only one on this staff with coaching experience. It will not matter until they hire a GM this team will stink. You are a racist to think it would matter what color the coach is on this team.

Posted by: jmgmike | October 19, 2009 10:23 AM
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I had no idea (well yeah, I really did) that there were so many racists here.

When Gregg Williams was the D-CO here, he was my choice for interim and for new head coach! He was the logical choice.

Moreover, when Marvin Lewis was D-CO here, I didn't hear any of you "fair-minded" chumps call for Marvin for Skins head coach!

Sorry guys, the NFL is no longer an easy Mattel Slip-n-Slide for even mediocre white guys to automatically land in all the head-coaching nods, as they alway did for 70 years prior to the Rooney Rule.

Face it, there would be no Rooney rule if you guys had been "fair" from jumpstreet!

Al Davis was ahead of his time, giving Art Shell a shot, but that notion fizzled out, forcing the Rooney Rule.


So what is all the racial crap for, just because someone wants Blache or Gray, the two most "logical" interim choices?

Hey angry white guys, what makes you so firggin angry?

You can always tell the racists. To them, every black man working anywhere is an Aff. Action hire!

What happened guys, some black man as qualified as you are get the job ahead of you? Did that fuel your anger? LOL

Maybe you need to read something called, "Whites Swim In Racial Preference" by Tim Wise, and learn just how stupid you sound screaming Affirmnative Action all the friggin time.

Apparently, 8 of every 10 NFL coaches being white is not enough for you, eh guys?

I'll bet you are the very same guys who screamed "Aff Action" when SCJ Sotomayor was picked, because 106 out of 110 SCJ's being white men was not enough for you either!
LOL

What a collection of abject losers you are!.


Posted by: theintrepidone | October 19, 2009 10:23 AM
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Fail to the Redskins, Fail Victory. Braves on the wrong-path, slight for ole DC. If you know me you know I love the skins. I can talk about my boys, You'all cant. copyright 2009 me.

Posted by: micreaux | October 19, 2009 10:19 AM
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Mike, read this while playing the theme song to the three stooges. The camera shows snippets of Zorn (curly) jumping up and down on the sideline, and at press conferences Snyder (moe) moving from one seat to another in the booth and at press confernces introducing new coaches (Cerrato) Larry at press conferences and shwoing the long list of busts he signed. Hillarious!!! Who said they skins aren't fun to watch

Posted by: tsamm | October 19, 2009 10:17 AM
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The "curse" isn't the Redskins name (where was the "curse" in '82, '87, and '91). The Redskins are just cursed with a crummy owner.

Posted by: joelwright1 | October 19, 2009 10:17 AM
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I have watched the team for almost 50 years and this is the worst. At least when we were losing in the sixties, Sonny Bobby and Charley made it entertaining to watch and we would pull off an upset or two. Snyder has always had this idea that he was smarter than all of the other owners and that is why they have made all of the stupid personnel moves which would hamstring any coach. Since Zorn is a dead man right now, might as well ax him, strap him in at Six Flags and let him ride for free for the next 11 weeks. I think Blache does not want to be interim coach, he had to be talked into taking over as coordinator last year. He is fed up with Snyder and his lap dog Vinny, and will not suck up to them. So give it to whomever wants it the most on the staff. Look at all of the players Ozzie Newsome has drafted and you can see the difference in not having a good GM. You hire the GM, then the GM interviews and recommends the coach to the owner -- that is how it worked with JKC and Beathard and Gibbs.

Posted by: Snydersux | October 19, 2009 10:16 AM
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They look like a 4-12 team? Find me two more wins on their schedule. I dare you.

Posted by: TheProFromDover | October 19, 2009 10:14 AM
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The 'skins have been a doormat for the past decade. 5 different coaches, each of whom was totally unable to work any long-term corrections (including HOFer Gibbs). Every year is self-delusion about how this season will be totally different, and that the random ingredients Snyder throws into the pot like a deranged witch will somehow blend together into delicious, creamy success. Every year it somehow gets worse.

On Sunday, despite the lost decade, despite the loss to Detroit (DETROIT), despite the Redskins having a losing record despite playing ONLY WINLESS TEAMS the entire season, I was still surprised to see how many empty seats there were in FedEx field. The burgundy painted levels hid it well, but the yellow mid-deck and its vast tracts of empty seats made the team's regression all too obvious. One of the worst economic periods in our nation's history combined with the atrocious affront to football that is the Redskins at present might finally hit Snyder where it really hurts: the pocketbook. How can anyone possibly justify paying grotesque parking fees, shuttle fees, vendor fees, and ticket prices to watch this? You can't!

As FedEx showed, even the most diehard fans are finally realizing that if you truly love the team, you have to spurn them until something truly drastic is done to correct the Snyder/Cerrato disaster. Simply subsidizing the gouging and on-field incompetence has clearly not benefited anyone who actually cares about the team.

"If you are going to go through hell, keep going." -- Sir Winston Churchill

Posted by: zippyspeed | October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
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TIRD45,

Wilbon's had a little more than half to dismiss Collins. He's had about fifteen years. The term "career back-up" has never been more appropriate than it is in the case of Todd Collins. The guy's spent the better part of the last decade and a half in mothballs. He's had six full seasons throughout his career where he didn't throw a single pass. If he remains the starter for the rest of the season, then he will start ten games, which is something he's done only once in his career :1997, when he led the Bills to a 4-12 record while posting a 69.5 QB rating. I'm not suggesting that Campbell is the answer for this team; he isn't. But why do people have so much invested in a guy who's resume is so insignificant. He's just different. Not better. Different.

Posted by: Tempy_McJobhunt | October 19, 2009 10:10 AM
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The coach isn't the main problem.

In the NFL, if you don't have an offensive line, you aren't going to have any success running or passing the ball. If you don't have much success running or passing the ball; well, then you aren't going to win many games.

Zorn did not assemble the current team. He can't be held responsible for the pieces that he's got.

This isn't to say that Zorn has made a strong case for his retention. In fact, Zorn should probably be fired simply based on the fact that he was foolish enough to sign up as an employee of the Snyde.

Fundamentally, though, the problem isn't Zorn. So whether he stays or goes is irrelevant.

Until the problems at the top of the org are fixed the Skins will remain at best mediocre.

Posted by: JPRS | October 19, 2009 10:08 AM
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No good coach will take the job under the present management/owner. They'll end up with somebody like Ron Zook.

Posted by: FLvet | October 19, 2009 10:08 AM
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It's good for the fans to be suffering like this. It builds character - something that has been lacking in the fan base for a very long time. Every season starts the same way. A lot of hoopla about getting into the playoffs and winning another SB, like they are effing entitled to it. I've got advice for the fans: get real - no team has a lock on anything. Be satisfied if they just play well, and enjoy the action. If the team is lucky enough to make post season, then that is icing on the cake. Otherwise, just shut up.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | October 19, 2009 10:06 AM
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I love this failure! Every year for the past 25 years living in the city the arrogant team and fans have hyped the Skins and all along I laughed internally watching them try to buy a championship. It doesn't work and a fan shouldn't own the team and think he is qualified to pick the right personal.

Posted by: jackme11 | October 19, 2009 10:02 AM
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As long as little danny BOY is in charge, the prospects for the team are dismal. He will only own the team for about 40 or 50 more years. Keep giving him your money suckers! Go Ravens!!!

Posted by: Iamacpa | October 19, 2009 10:01 AM
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Lets get a purple coach or better yet lets get a burgundy & gold coach. You guys are NUTS. Lets just get a coach that WINS!!!!! First change the name to "Allskins" so the Indians will remove the Curse. Then lets play some football as if we love it.

Posted by: alvahines | October 19, 2009 10:00 AM
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I miss the George Michael Show, with Ringins, Sunny and you, giving us some real insights as to what is going on with the Skins. The viewers always had a pretty good idea of what was going on. As it is now, we simply don't know what to make of this comedy show "Danny and Vinny". On top of the "Impeach Danny" or "Fire Vinny" website petitions, there should be one called "Bring Back The George Michael Show".

Posted by: JeanJak | October 19, 2009 9:58 AM
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"The team is on the way to becoming depressingly awful."

---Ummm Mike, the Deadskins are 2-4 against a slate of winless teams. They have two close, meager wins over horrible Stl and TB teams. They scored six points on the team with the worst defense in the league.

What does the team need to do exactly to become depressingly awful? Everything about it is terrible, from the owner on down. And none of it is going to be fixed anytime soon.

But in the meantime, the lemmings will still trot out to Fedex, handing over their cash to Danny and Vinny, and the Post will devote page after page of nonsense drivel about a 3, 4, 6 or 7 win 365 days a year. Yawn.

Posted by: southside721 | October 19, 2009 9:56 AM
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Just bring in Dungy and get it over with. Get rid of Cerrato, and Snyder.

Posted by: thgabi | October 19, 2009 9:55 AM
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A curse exists on the "Redskins" until there is a new non-racist name.

Posted by: sage6 | October 19, 2009 9:55 AM
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To the low IQ bloggers please leave race out of it. This isn't a political debate! I'm so glad I didn't renew my season tix this year! Hip, Hip, Horray!

Jim Zorn is like that animal you hit and leave on the side of the road but you look in the rear view and its still moving. His days are numbered.

ADVICE FOR SNYDER ON HOW TO WIN THE FANS BACK: Now if YOU want to make a splash YOU should be dramatic and fire not demote but fire Cerrato during the bye week along with Zorn. Look at his staff on the defensive side of the ball for a interim coach. If they can spark the team then give them a fair shake after you hire a new GM.

Russ Grim would be my pick for head coach. If anybody could rebuild a offensive line and motivate his team to play it's him. That's YOUR(Snyders)only play. Leave the Shannahans, Grudens, and Cowers alone. This is the NFC East we need an identity as a smash mouth tough as nails team.

Posted by: Carribou_Barbie | October 19, 2009 9:55 AM
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Maybe the "Great One" can come in and bailout the Skins. Get up on the palpit and do a little motivational speech. He can even blame the prior tenants for everything that is wrong and will go wrong in the future. He has the right politics, so there should be no problem with the "league" granting ownership.

Posted by: rbai470915 | October 19, 2009 9:54 AM
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The coach is a joke because no one wants the job.

Can Wilbon criticize the root of the problem in the owner's box, or will little Danny keep him off TV if he does?

Posted by: TGT11 | October 19, 2009 9:54 AM
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I lived in DC during the Redskins' heyday. To an outsider, the fans were arrogant, if not downright obnoxious. Unfortunately, that's just human nature. I've witnessed the same syndrome in New England. Regardless, the poor Redskins fans (I never thought I'd say that) certainly have had their comeuppance in the last 10 or 15 years. It's true that nothing lasts forever.

Posted by: zephyr99 | October 19, 2009 9:44 AM
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Until that dead weight named Cerato is replaced you can expect more of the same. The guy is the worst. He wouldn't know talent if it landed on his face.

Posted by: askgees | October 19, 2009 9:44 AM
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Agree with much of what has been written here, but wish the comments were in chronological order so one could follow the train of thought!

That should be the order by default--or there should be an option for the reader to change the order.

If Zorn had any self-respect, he'd resign today!

Posted by: Astrogal | October 19, 2009 9:42 AM
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I guess this is why we all can't just get along huh? "I had no idea there was such racism. Blatant racism." Which one poster said and he is 100% correct. If people read and then re-read what was stated by Wilborn. You never see him trying to have some agenda to have a BLACK person hired as a head coach. Oh and by the way..we went thur that before if all remember when Turner was fired half way thru a season if I recall and we put in Terry Robiske and we see how that turned out. Now the thing I don't agree with is Wiborn got it all wrong to point at Zorn. Everyone who knows anything can see the only consistant is Cerrato and Snyder. Adn let's just call a spade a spade Snyder is the issue. So if the intern coach was Black,White,Green, or from Mars who cares. I thought the goal was to WIN? Or is the truth that a lot of us REDSKINS fans (which by the way is a racist name) true not fans of winning but fans of the COLOR of the won who wins!

Posted by: Richardsoninc | October 19, 2009 9:37 AM
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This team is going no where even with a good coach, our players are okay at best. Its time to just start over and know the next 3 or 4 years are going to stink. Cerrato needs to go. Zorn will probably be fired anyway, and the 'skins should start trading away players of any value like Chris Cooley, Clinton Portis, whoever is okay with a decent contract on the defense (aka we are stuck with Haynesworth), and get as many draft picks as possible. Jason Campbell is not going to get us to the playoffs anytime soon, and our aging defensive and offensive lines won't be of any use very soon. Time to get as many young-talented players into the franchise, cross your fingers that some of them develop, and just plain start-over.

Posted by: jro1 | October 19, 2009 9:34 AM
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its nice that you gave collins a whole half before you passed judgement on his abilities mike. lets see how long did you give jason? todd collins will get better after knocking off the rust jason had reached his level of incompitence long before yesterday. he is not a leader of men.

Posted by: tird45 | October 19, 2009 9:34 AM
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So unless Wilbon suggested a White interim, he is a racist???? WOW. And which White assistant would that be exactly?? Think before you type you freaking teabaggers. Bugel? Danny Smith? There is not a White assistant that is on our staff that should be a head coach. Argue that without calling me a racist.

Posted by: cnewso01 | October 19, 2009 9:18 AM
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It seems that some of your readers believe your column has racial overtones. Please use this as a "teachable moment" for them. I know it has been explained before that a strong head coach is not going to want to come in the middle of the season, especially this season. How much can you change after six games with an outsider. With the state of the Skins offense for twenty games, it is highly unlikely the solution is on the offensive side of the staff. The defensive unit has been the teams strength and the top 2 people are Blache and Gray. That is using common sense and not a matter of racial preference.

Remember management has removed Gibbs and Saunders on the offensive side and Greg Williams on the defensive side. At this point, a bandage is the only treatment available. Then use the Jimmy Johnson approach, "blow it up and start over".

Posted by: concerned13 | October 19, 2009 9:15 AM
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This Skins fan is ahead of the curve this year!
After the first two games, I realized that nothing had changed this year either. I stopped watching the Skins games then, and started following other teams. However, I am surprised they have continued to sink. But, look at it this way, the worse they do this year, the more it guarantees a big shake up for next year. Unless the fans boycott and hit Danny in the pocket, he will repeat his same mistakes.

Posted by: bestowens | October 19, 2009 9:14 AM
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What's the deal with the racism comments?

Everyone (not just black writers) are reporting that the logical choice for interim coach if Zorn is fired is either Blanche or Jerry Gray. Let's be real people...

I would like to see what Jerry Gray can do, I think maybe enough of Gregg Williams rubbed off on him that he could do a good job.

This team needs a kick in the butt as much as it needs anything else at this point. There is nothing they can do about the line, QB, receivers, etc. during the season, its about getting the most out of the talent you do have, and Zorn is not getting this done.

Turn it over to Gray and let's see what he can do.

Posted by: pastorbobs | October 19, 2009 9:07 AM
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Boycotting the games won't help. The season ticket holders have already sold their tix to the opponent's fans who flock across the country in droves to see their team rout the 'Skins. What 'Skins fans are left(none in the red seats) boo relentlessly, you can even hear them on TV.

Posted by: st139545 | October 19, 2009 9:03 AM
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"Shocker. Wilbon suggests a black man to be coach."

Too many racists on here.

Open your eyes, he said for the rest of the season and either Gray or Blache would have at least some of the teams respect.

The players have quit and one of those guys could do it for the rest of the year, if not permanently. I have been telling myself all year "Singletary did it in SF, why not Blache here?"

It's a change of attitude, the only morons here are the ones trying to start a bunch of nonsense.

I'm white by the way.

Jerks.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 19, 2009 9:01 AM
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Snyder doesn't want to be the "heavy hand" hahahahahaha . . . jacka$$ doesn't want to pay the remainder of Zorn's cheap contract and wants him to quit. The Redskins aren't the second most valuable NFL franchise because winning is a goal!

Posted by: dmor | October 19, 2009 8:57 AM
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To the comment that the Redskins have enough talent to win...THEY DONT..thats the problem...they blew the draft when they drafted Malcom Kelly..Fred Davis..and Devin Thomas...no help on the O-line where it was desperately needed. Who couldnt see that Chris Samuels and Jansen were breaking down..I doubt if Jansen could even bend over to tie his shoe his back is so bad..Not to pile on...but signing Randel El to 30 million and putting him at 2wr..ludicrous..he is nothing more than a 3wr/pr situational player...Pittsburgh knew how to use him..Washington doesnt..Fact of the matter is there is no one on the team that scares anyone offensively. Yes Zorn is a bad coach..Yes Cerrato needs to be fired..but the only thing this owner knows is money..agreed if you*re a season ticket holder u have to go to the games..lot of money to flush down the toilet..but I wouldnt buy a thing at the stadium..Dannyboy has proven time and time again that he wants to squeeze every nickel out of every fan..dont buy into it..

Posted by: rklapsley | October 19, 2009 8:55 AM
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"It is not that Snyder doesnt want to fire Zorn, there is just no one else who will take the roll as head coach."

Wilbon got it right on the money and I was thinking the same thing. Snyder is a wimp and wants Zorn to quit, he doesn't want to fire Zorn because after all he hand picked Zorn to be the second coming and doesn't want to look bad(or any more worse then he already does).

Snyder is a coward, and until he gets the balls to fire Ceratto it's going to be this way for a very long time.

No decent coach wants to come here because of Snyder's meddling, and the team won't function properly until Ceratto is let go and a real GM can come in a rebuild the entire team. At the very least the entire offense.

So this is what we have...a big fat mess with no end in sight. In such a short time, Snyder had ruined one of the best franchises in the NFL.

How much worse can this get?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 19, 2009 8:55 AM
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The real problem here is that the Redskins are just an expensive toy for Snyder and he doesn't even know how to operate his toy. Snyder made his fortune running his communication business and making the decisions he knew were right for his business. Do you think for one second that Snyder would let someone who knew absolutely nothing about communications run his company. Of course not; he is too smart for that. But the Redskins is his toy and he can do with it what he wants.

Posted by: Ironwood1 | October 19, 2009 8:54 AM
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Matt's 2 step plan to recovery:

1. Hire Holmgren as GM
2. Let Holmgren do the re-organization (i.e. let Holmgren make the decision on Zorn, Cerrato, etc)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 19, 2009 8:46 AM
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Perfect Solution: Danny Boy calls the offensive plays from the sidelines. The team's his toy anyway, right? Give us a target to boo....

Posted by: yendur1 | October 19, 2009 8:43 AM
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I think the reporters covering the team (not just Mr. Wilbon, but All) are not focusing the critsicm on upper management. It is upper management who have chosen the players, chosen the coach, chosen everything about the team. They have full control; not the coach. I understand you can't fire the owner nor the players so the coach has to go. But please concentrate the blame where it belongs and that is the front office. The way the front office is handling Zorn is deplorable. It smacks of a small minded strategy to totally embarass the coach by hiring "consultants" and by stripping him of the play calling, in an effort to get him to quit. Management should be roasted for this. In closing I do no tthink the reporteres covering the team are putting the blame where it belongs, which is Cerrato and Snyder.

Posted by: avramovicz | October 19, 2009 8:43 AM
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I moved away for 10 years, and just recently moved back. I had no idea there was such racism. Blatant racism. It’s disgusting. You people should be ashamed.

Black, white, yellow, purple... there is no one that can save the season here this year. This team is a mess, the ownership is outrageous. The problem is, as long as people keep their 'status symbol' tickets and keep buying merchandise, Snyder will continue to turn a profit at the expense of the fans. There has to be a way to hold ownership accountable!?!

Posted by: DHB613 | October 19, 2009 8:42 AM
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I don't now why I waste my time reading your columns. You are a moron Wilbon. Nothing is going to get better no matter how many coaches they hire or fire until Danny is gone

Posted by: redsno_1fan | October 19, 2009 8:40 AM
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This team's management continues to blunder along. What a pathetic organization this has become! Everyone knows that Zorn's history, so why not just replace him now? Snyder's gonna strip him of his duties then fire him in stages. What an inept little twerp! What makes Skins fans believe that any of the usual suspects have any interest in working for the little dictator? Shanahan will probably be in Dallas next year. Cowher ain't coming here. Holmgren's not coming here. You think Gruden's giving up his cozy gig on MNF to work for Snyder?

Posted by: randysbailin | October 19, 2009 8:36 AM
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Michael, I cannot believe you wrote such a simplistic article. We could dig up Lombardi and he couldn't win in this environment. Until Snyder gets rid of the incompetent, butt-kissing Cerrato, hires a REAL football GM, and gets out of daily operations, this team will suck. This is 99% on the front office.

Posted by: Pearl77 | October 19, 2009 8:34 AM
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If Danny boy was serious about change the 1st person to go needs to be Vinny. The skins need a new GM and then he will need time to decide what players and coaches HE wants to keep. The season is lost. Bring in a GM now and let him pick the new coach.

Problem is I don't think any coach worth anything will come to play for this owner. I think that is what Danny found out when he hired Zorn and why Zorn ended up as head coach.

Posted by: qballgeek | October 19, 2009 8:29 AM
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Wow Mike, I expected more from you. Your solution is a BAND AID and a poor one at that. You know as well as the rest of the DC area that Vinny Cerrato needs to go, and Snyder needs to be hands off.

Posted by: larsenshop | October 19, 2009 8:27 AM
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Why IS Wilbon obsessed with black coaches?! I agree with the comment above- stick with the NBA, so we don't have to be bothered with your tripe at all... and be happy that the Post believes in affirmative action and allows you to have a column in the first place. Those are valuable inches Kornheiser could be using...

Posted by: DavidSchumacherCatholicLaw | October 19, 2009 8:20 AM
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The coach is only part of the problem. How does a franchise have five coaches in 10 years but does nothing to the decision making people? Anyway, Wilbon knows nothing about coaching or the NFL. Has he ever placed the blame where it really belongs which is the front office?

Posted by: davebuck | October 19, 2009 8:15 AM
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Look, the problem on the field is the o line, and the man responsible for that is Vinnie Cerrato. I mean, Snyder is ultimately responsible because he thinks he actually knows something about managing a football team, but Cerrato is the one who is responsible for that line-up. The only shot this team has is for someone to sit Snyder down in front of a copy of Madden '09 and hire a general manager to clean house.

Posted by: whorton1 | October 19, 2009 8:10 AM
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We are trying to find the solution to a despicable NFL franchise, and Wilbon is trying to promote blacks (Blache and Gray) to head coach.

Stick to the NBA. Then I needn't read you at all.

Posted by: AWWNats | October 19, 2009 8:10 AM
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I have said it on other posts to different articles, it is the OFFENSIVE LINE.
We wouldnt be discussing anybodies shortcomings be it management, coach, QB, or anyone else if focus and priority was given to bolstering the offensive line. The talent is there in all other positions. It just hasnt coalesced into a working unit and wont until the team is given the ability to be successful...RUNNING THE BALL!!!!!!

Posted by: davemichelle07 | October 19, 2009 8:05 AM
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At this stage, since his playcalling was taken away, there's no point to having Zorn there. Let Blache be the head coach and defensive coordinator.

In terms of players, I think you play everyone on the roster, kind of like it's preseason again. Maybe you play your starters in the first half, then your second team in the 3rd and third team in the 4th. Find out who wants to play, who your blue-collar guys are that want to play the game, and not for a paycheck.

As the players prove themselves, move them upwards, even over your high-priced stars. That'll either incentivize those guys to play up to their pay, or prepare for a new team. The big hope in this is that 2010 is uncapped and the Redskins can dump off these big contracts with no penalty.

By the time the season ends, you know the guys that want to bust their butts for the team, and that's your core. Then maybe you get a couple of free agents that meet the same mold and see what the Redskins are trying to do and are willing to play along, and not just for The Danny's money. Final step: trade all 1st through 3rd round draft picks downwards, and fill up with those second day picks, and get bodies of guys that are feeling grateful to be drafted and get a chance to play in the NFL. They'll fight and scrap for you.

Of course, then you need a head coach that's willing to work with this. You want to throw money at someone...maybe it's Jimmy Johnson. He's done this major rebuild with the Cowboys, I doubt he'd be reviled if he can do it for the Redskins.

Posted by: kmcandrew | October 19, 2009 8:04 AM
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Dear Mr. Snyder: Please, please, PLEASE take all the money you have and go chase either Tony Dungy or Bill Cowher - tell them they can write their own check, tell them to get the G.M. that THEY think will do the best job. This is the ONLY thing you can do that will help this situaltion get better.

Posted by: US-conscience | October 19, 2009 7:55 AM
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Agree with all of the comments about a needing a new GM, O-line, owner needing to stay back, however; people should understand that Zorn can't coach. There is enough talent on that sideline that a decent coach could have achieved an outcome of 8-8. The schemes and playing calling on offense are horrible. Adjustments in the game plan even worse.

I said it last week that Black could help a little more. Still don't understand how on 3rd and 2 cornerbacks are playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. The defense got 5 sacks yesterday and was on the field quite a bit, but Blache has the talent to draw up a scheme to put more pressure on the quarterback. De Hall is playing OK but he will continue to get beat when he is playing 10-15 yards off the receiver. Wait until the really good receivers show up.

Posted by: tonywhitehead1 | October 19, 2009 7:55 AM
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Shocker. Wilbon suggests a black man to be coach. Regardless of the fact that Blache's defense is the worst kind of vanilla defense seen here since Jack Pardee was coach.

Posted by: doctortechie | October 19, 2009 7:55 AM
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To everyone who tells us not to go to the games:

Do YOU want to pay me back for my tickets that I have to the game? I'm sorry, but I have the tickets in hand and I will not just not go to the game and lose my money. I think that it is ridiculous that you ask someone to not go to a game that they have already paid for (afterall, Snyder already has the money for the tickets).

I, however, will not and never do buy ANYTHING when I am in the stadium. I will even sit there drenched while pouring than buy one of the ponchos.

Now for next year: different story. The next person on the so-called "waitlist" will be taking my seats.


Posted by: RokinTheRedd | October 19, 2009 7:53 AM
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Here's a thought. All of us skins fans sell our merchadise, put that money together, solicit contributions, and then we buy the team and give S.H. and Cerrated their walking papers

Posted by: jdunbar1015 | October 19, 2009 7:47 AM
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Don't blame Jim Zorn. He's trying his best. It's not his fault he's holding a position he should never have been holding in the first place.
Lay the blame where it belongs...Daniel Snyder.
Jim Zorn was a "quarterbacks" coach in Seattle. Yet Dan Snyder thinks he knows football and thought it would be genius to hire Zorn as the head coach.
When are the media types & talking heads (Mr. Wilbon included) going to get the nerve to really shine the light on the "root" of the problem? The person who is actively involved in decisions, has final say, and should have the nameplate on his desk that reads "The Buck Stops Here".

Posted by: sequoiakc | October 19, 2009 7:40 AM
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It is not that Snyder doesnt want to fire Zorn, there is just no one else who will take the roll as head coach. That is why Snyder got Zorn. He wanted a patsy and that is what he got.

Posted by: dbeins | October 19, 2009 7:32 AM
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BOYCOTT THE REDSKINS!!!

Sign the petition to get rid of Snyder!
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and tell every Redskin fan you know to sign the petition.

Posted by: mattphillips | October 19, 2009 7:32 AM
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This is a bad bad team with no offensive line. I don't care who's calling the plays or under center. Trouble is there is no way to fix the line this season it will only get worse if another guy goes down.

Posted by: hdrydrnmd | October 19, 2009 7:01 AM
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Why would anybody want to coach the redskins at this point? Danny and Vinnie are idiots and probably morally corrupt, the team has imploded and the fan base are now totally jaded.

Posted by: atidwell | October 19, 2009 6:42 AM
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Could be worse. Try being a Bucs fan.

Posted by: ltierney2 | October 19, 2009 6:40 AM
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So Mike, how's the the NFC East lookin' this morning?

Posted by: mitlen | October 19, 2009 6:20 AM
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The hypocrisy of Roger Goodell in the Rush Limbaugh episode when you have a team named the "Redskins" in the NFL. Change the name of the team at the end of this season. Maybe he would let Limbaugh buy the Redskins, we can only dream!

Cerrato has to go. But it was Snyder who hired Zorn to first be the QB coach, then the O-Coordinator, and finally the head coach. This is Snyder's fantasy football team, and he is a terrible fantasy football owner. Nine years of horrible trades and personnel management have finally come home to roost. The Redskins are left with a QB who will not be playing in the NFL next year, a horrible O-line, and a team with virtually no leadership and character.
Good job Messrs. Snyder and Cerrato, you are the laughing stock of the NFL!

Posted by: HeloShark | October 19, 2009 6:02 AM
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4-12? Who, pray tell, are the two other teams these Redskins might beat this year, what with the way they're going?

Dan Snyder has no intentions of selling low. Say what you want about the guy, he's not stupid. He's a lifelong Redskins fan and owning them is why he succeeded well enough to afford to buy them, and he has no intentions of relinquishing ownership of his favorite toy.

It is not constructive to insult him. It might be constructive to urge him to open his eyes about the inability of Vinnie Cerrato to judge football talent, to make appropriate draft day decisions, and to hire coaching personnel. Snyder must be urged to try to get a real professional football GM, but don't underestimate the difficulty Snyder will experience in obtaining one at this point, with Snyder's reputation for nettlesome meddling.

Snyder owns the Redskins. They belong to him and he certainly has the technical right to meddle, but I believe that he is a real, deep, lifelong Redskins fan and he wants the Redskins to win as badly as, maybe MORE badly than, any of us do. This is why he meddles -- you and I would do the same if we saw us floundering and thought we knew better how to fix it.

But he needs to suck it up and realize that, if only he could somehow talk Bobby Beathard out of retirement (perhaps excessively large amounts of cash and a "no meddling" clause -- with significant penalties/bonuses if it were breached -- would do the trick), then maybe, in two or three years, we might return to something more closely resembling the Redskins football we remember so fondly.

But it would take two or three years at least for a proper GM to have full impact. Replacing Zorn now might at least return us to mediocrity because, face it, he has lost us most of the games we lost this year by his own stupid incompetence. He should never have been hired -- Zorn is not even ready for the offensive coordinator position, much less head coach, and I doubt he ever will be. He just doesn't have the cleverness. Blache might be a good replacement, but Dungy would be better. INSTANT respect.

It's just amazing how much he resembles Manny Acta in demeanor and in ability. What is it about my beloved home teams?

Posted by: FergusonFoont | October 19, 2009 5:18 AM
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Another life-long Redskins fan here (4+ decades!) ... this IS the most depressing era in 'Skins history I can remember. My son asked, "Is there any way to get rid of an owner?" *sigh*

Since THAT is not an option, it seems the first step is to get rid of Cerrato. To be honest, I'm at a loss for what's next. What about hiring Jimmy Jones (blasphemy, I know, but we're desperate)? He might be the only person strong enough to face-down Daniel Snyder. Do you think Tony Dungy would walk away from NBC to save us?

I feel absolutely hopeless and DO NOT WANT to go to the Philly game. Now what?

I told a dear friend that I feel my football life has completely flip-flopped in the last 30 years. Back then, I was attending college in New Orleans (we had more fans at Tulane games than the Saints had at theirs, and those few wore paper bags on their heads!!) while the 'Skins went on to a great season in 1983. Now, it's the Saints on fire (at least we get to see them here this year!) and 'Skins fans who may have to don paper bag headwear shortly.

HELP!!!!

Posted by: dcquilter | October 19, 2009 5:18 AM
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THIS REMINDS ME OF THE NY GIANTS IN 1978 AFTER THE FUMBLE. A VIVID TIPPING POINT.

EXCEPT THAT MANAGEMENT THERE GOT THE MESSAGE AND KNEW WHAT TO DO WHEREAS IN THIS CASE UNLESS THE LEAGUE STEPS IN AND EXPUNGES SNIDER AND VINNY THE CLOWN, NOTHING CHANGES.

BREAK OUT THE PAPER BAGS.

Posted by: asthete | October 19, 2009 4:49 AM
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Wilbon

Snyder's the problem and you know it.
Why gloss over or sugarcoat it.

No one can coach this team until Snyder gets his nose out of it.

Sell,Dan, SELL!!!

Posted by: daveque | October 19, 2009 4:43 AM
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Promote Joe Bugel to head coach. He is the only one really coaching and has head coaching experience. Let him decide what coaches to keep or fire. He can hire some temp coaches for the rest of this year if need be. He can install Gibbs' offense that was used 2 years ago if need be. We were using the same run plays anyways. Blache, Gray, etc. didn't get much out of their players. Fire them. They have done nothing. Trade Portis for some O Linemen. At seasons end, waive the entire offense except for Moss, Cooley, Rabach, Samuels and Sellers. Fire Vinny and hire Casserly or Ron Wolf or some other qualified GM. At least interview Russ Grimm if Joe Bugel doesn't work out. Do not hire Gruden. He can't get along with others and alienates his players. Bugel could right this ship if he has a good GM getting him talent. He knows how to coach and inspire players.

Posted by: neil64 | October 19, 2009 4:37 AM
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Genius Snyder staring a new 5 year plan for the hmmm...what is it 6th time in 10 years!?

Our football lives are going to suck until Snyder is gone which will be never in my liftime at this point. Very depressing to watch the demise of a once proud franchise.

My hat is off to JC and Zorn and many of the team handling this situation with total class. They know what the problem is but it is hard to call out the person who signs your check.

Snyder you flippn loser the team is a direct reflection of you.

Posted by: gwells1 | October 19, 2009 3:53 AM
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Good call on Blache. He has the respect of the locker room and has a great deal of NFL experience. I saw the same thing when they brought in the consultant. Thought it even more when I heard Blache was not talking to the press. My first thought about this occurred in April when they took all defensive players. Made me wonder if they were sabotaging the offense on behalf of another coach - with the idea that a new coach would bring in new folks anyway...so just bolster the defense. I just wasn't thinking Blache was even considered until recently. I think they told Greg, when he stopped speaking to the press, that he'd be a prime candidate for the interim coach. That's why he's mum.

And even offered an incentive... if you end the season with a winning record, we may keep you on board as coach. It would be the best of all worlds for the Skins management. Low pay for him compared to any of the SB coaches. More control for Danny than if he hired any of the SB coaches. More glory for Danny and Vinny if they actually win under Blache. Less transition than a SB coach, who would clear house, and maybe they could have only 1 rebuilding year, instead of 2 (this and next) rebuilding years if they bring in a new coach.

And, one or two of the five SB coaches will be on the market at the end of next year anyway, so he can always cut Blache whenever. But how you win with this offensive line is beyond me. In a post earlier this season, I mentioned the Spurrier/Lewis setup and how it was a slap in the face to Lewis to work behind such a nincompoop. Here we are again. Let's just hope Blache gets more games than Robiskie did.

I give Snyder a week to make the cut. If not today, Tuesday after the Philly game for sure. Blache will get the bye week and Sherman will be calling the plays.

BINGO!

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | October 19, 2009 3:02 AM
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SNYDER IS A DISGRACE... Can't someone buy the team back from him, fire Cerrato, and rebuild the Redskins?

Posted by: lcribas58 | October 19, 2009 3:02 AM
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one thing i will say about you guys on the east coast, u love your team, and you dont talk racial ignorance about your sports teams......unlike the cowboys fans in texas.

Posted by: lisasalomon | October 19, 2009 2:22 AM
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hay redskins fans.....dont feel to bad yall could've had wade phillips.....yikes!

Posted by: lisasalomon | October 19, 2009 2:16 AM
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The solutions to Washington's problems are actually quite simple, and can be accomplished in the following steps:

1. Fans MUST stop buying Redskins merchandise, and stop showing up to the games. This is akin to holding a blow torch to Daniel Snyder's feet while hanging him upside-down by his groin and dunking his head into the Potomac river in January. Maybe then Snyder will realize he is the Skins biggest problem.
2. Fire Vinny Cerrato. His decision making incompetence is the worst I have seen in the NFL in the last 25 years (equal to Matt Millen).
3. Fire Jim Zorn. Great guy, terrible head coach.
4. Blow-up the offense. The defense is great, and is being let down by the offense. Get rid of everyone on offense, and start drafting and signing top O-lineman.
5. Change the name. I consider myself a life-long, die-hard fan of the Washington football team. But the most racist name in sports needs to go. We fans need to grow up, and demand that the name be changed.

That's it. We as fans can control #1 and #5. It is now time for an official boycott of the Redskins merchandise and tickets, and for heaven's sake stop showing up to the games. Let's show Dan who's really in charge!

Posted by: theglass_99 | October 19, 2009 2:03 AM
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How ridiculous all this is! FIRE-HIRE-ETC! The simple fact is Dan Snyder owns the team so the decisions are all his. To engulf all of the area's football issues into some sort of Armageddon histrionics is wasteful. The solution is obvious. Forget the misshaped ball which misleads your fantasies. Get with the real DC sports, People. It's time for Hoops and Pucks!!! Gilbert and Alex will lead us to the morning smile that has been absent from our faces. Go Wizards and Capitals and a little love to the Terp and Hoya hoopsters also.

Posted by: fetacompli | October 19, 2009 1:58 AM
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No one will probably read this because by the time a reader would have gone down the list of comments posted by those expressing their hate and discontent, you'd be as tired as the present skins offensive line. I have audio casette tapes of the old Skins games from the '70s, with guys like Chris Hanburger, Myron Potios, Ted Vactor, Len Haus, Jerry Smith, Roy Jefferson, Billy Kilmer, Charley Hathaway, and Larry Brown feaured on them. Those guys were beloved stars in this town. They were so because they were on a team owned by a man who wanted to win as much as they did. That is not Dan Snyder and I don't care what anyone says. He has yet to prove anything except that he thinks money buys everything...but he has not and cannot buy a winner. All he has bought to this point is hate and discontent. He has not learned, will not learn, and unfortunately for us, may take his ignorance to the grave, many, many, failed seasons from now. We sure miss you Mr. Cooke.

Posted by: Blueslegend | October 19, 2009 1:53 AM
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As part of the boycott, give your Dallas game ticket to a Cowboys fan.
And tell them not to buy anything.

Posted by: edlharris | October 19, 2009 1:48 AM
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No one rational thought this team could win 11-12 games at any point during the pre-season. 4-12 is a pipe dream. Think 2-14 if they can't win at home against a winless team. This is all on Li'l Danny and his faithful sidekick, Vinnie. No amount of coach juggling or QB trashing can cover for the fact that they have mismanaged this team into a hole so deep it could take several years to emerge, even with a professional GM given full authority. You need only look at the 3 2d round picks in 2008 absolutely wasted on WRs and a TE who just don't have NFL ability and complete neglect of the OLine that could make the QBs and WRs and RBs they have look just fine if they didn't power suck. Hall of fame QBs/WRs/TEs/RBs/Coaches couldn't do squat with this OLine in front of them. But I'm sure Li'l Danny and his faithful sidekick Vinne will spend next year's super-high picks on more QBS/WRs/RBs because those are the "skill" positions, right? Until Li'l Danny sells the team or fires Vinnie and hires a professional GM and gives that GM full authority to run the team for five years, what you see is what you get if you're a Skins fan. How 'bout them Zards! Think Haywood and Arenas can stay healthy?

Posted by: dolph924 | October 19, 2009 1:39 AM
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Now that the NCAA has ruled Dez White ineligible, maybe Vinny can get him in here to save the day.

Posted by: dboz1970 | October 19, 2009 1:22 AM
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Fire Vinny Cerrato now

Fire Zorn after the season

Fire Debbie Yow now

Fire Freigen after the season (and fire the no name assistant coach Yow already tabbed as Freigen's successor).

DC area football has never been so low!

Posted by: DaveLopan | October 19, 2009 1:20 AM
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I've been a Redskins fan since 1967 .. and this is the lowest I've felt for this team. Snyder is young so he could be the owner of the skins for the next 30yrs! That's a sad thought. There's a saying that goes something like this.. someone who's not too smart would keep doing the same thing over and over again but expect a different result.. that's what we have in Snyder .. as long as he thinks that he and Vinny can run this team .. skins fans will have at least 30yrs of this .. the sad and scary part is he doesn't see it .. what will be left of the skins fans will have to stop buying banners, footballs, jerseys .. anything redskins related .. that's how Snyder see things and think .. the Redskins are the 2nd richest team in football and it's because of us .. the fans .. we have to hit Snyder where it will hurt .. if not .. get ready for 30 more years of what we are seeing now

Posted by: hindukat1 | October 19, 2009 12:44 AM
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As bad as the on field results have been this year, I am impressed with the dignity Zorn has shown. He hasn't ducked any questions or tried to shift blame. Jason Campbell is another class act who refuses to blame anyone else. Both have hung in there despite the blatant disrespect directed towards them from Lil Danny and dirty picture possessing Vinny. That is to who fan anger needs to be directed. Today we learned it's not all Campbells fault, next week we'll learn it's not Zorns either. Danny and Vinny should obviously share the bulk of the blame for ruining a once proud franchise. They continue to hide in the dark, cowardly pushing others out front to take all the heat. Even today(read Steins Bog),Vinniy insists the line is sound and the three recievers drafted last year are really coming on. Peter Angelos, Donald Sterling, Bill Bidwell and the Brown family all owe Danny and Vinny a huge debt of gratitude for setting a new standard for inept, cowardly and ruinous team management. I know the team ownership can't be changed but maybe an increasingly empty stadium will force a realization by the owner that he has got no earthly idea what he's doing.

Posted by: dboz1970 | October 19, 2009 12:44 AM
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Look, the Redskins will never return to their former glory with that stale stadium located in crime-ridden P.G. County and the horrible traffic in what is the nation's second-worst metro area for congestion as it is. Deflate the gouging of fans, move back to a renovated RFK, and hire a G.M. who seeks to build Redskin teams like those in the 80s-- a sensible mix of skill players and role players, of young and experienced, of proven and potential. Bobby Beathard had that eye, and Mr. Cooke didn't have to waste gobs of dough on worn-out already-beens. The old Over The Hill Gang was a charming anomaly for as long as it lasted in the 70s, but consistent winners are built with the above-mentioned formula.

Posted by: roseknowsins | October 19, 2009 12:38 AM
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Jon Gruden would be the kind coach they need if they let Zorn go. Remember he won't fix all the mess that Vinny Cerrato made on the field and the salary cap. Dan Snyder needs to let Vinny go! Then go out and find the best football mind out there to be the real GM and Dan needs stand out of the way. So the GM can do his job and it will be four or five years from now. Inside the house stop the players going around the coaches to talk to Dan Snyder and get their way. Till Dan Snyder does these things, we won't start the long road back to one top teams in NFL.

Posted by: daniel31 | October 19, 2009 12:38 AM
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Wilbon! 4-12? Are you borrowing TK's rose colored glasses. This team is so bad they will end up 1-15. ;)

Posted by: madavis81 | October 19, 2009 12:22 AM
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This has been hard to swallow. All of my friends on Facebook are screaming to get rid of Snyder. Very few--if any--are even mentioning Zorn. Zorn represents the symptom...not the root cause. Snyder is the root cause of this debacle. Truly Snyder has lost the confidence and trust of the loyal fan base. And it appears he is quickly entering the territory of Al Davis' forlorn legacy. How he handles this crisis at hand will determine the long-term success and stability of this franchise. If he continues to his fool hardy ways, the future is grim and his failing legacy forever sealed. Yet, if somehow he sees the light, and makes deep changes, then possibly the sabotaging of this once proud franchise can be averted. But only if a true fundamental shift occurs within Snyders' own thinking and worldview suppositions. The results of his ownership (the sum total of his decisions) are evident for the world to see after ten years. No more needs to be said. Snyder must change or face irreversible consequences.

A Loyal Skins Fan

Posted by: humen8r | October 19, 2009 12:17 AM
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Don't forget, Gibbs failed under this regime. Down with Snyder and Cerrato!!!!

Do Not Attend Any Games!!!!

Posted by: wcasey1 | October 19, 2009 12:16 AM
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As a life long Redskin fan it pains me to say what I'm about to say but I feel I have no choice: STOP FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING THIS TEAM! It is the only way to force change with the mindset of the 'Skins ownership. TOOCHILLED your idea for a walkout is awesome but there will be too many of us already under the influence who just won't be able to say "No" to the Miller Lt guy when he walks by, ultimately resulting in a beer sale which results in profit for Danny Boy! I say, everyone should stay home!

Posted by: MacSky | October 19, 2009 12:14 AM
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The Redskins are the new doormat in the NFC East, moving into the old AZ Cardinals residence. EVEN NOW some on the Redskings team think they were the better team, and that the Chiefs were a team they should have beaten. Ridiculous.

Posted by: garrettlowell222 | October 19, 2009 12:13 AM
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If you build a house per it's blueprints and it falls down due to fundamental structural inadequacy, do you fire the contractor or the architect?

I suspect Jim Zorn will be gone before the Philadelphia game. Big mistake taking this job, Jim. Cerrato is a coach killer. Good luck in the future.

Posted by: hounddog1 | October 19, 2009 12:10 AM
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This team is hopeless. The owner is an useless narcissist. Snyder's ego is the exact opposite of his stature. While he talks the big talk, he certainly measures up to no one. A good businessman he may be, but he becomes easier to dismiss every additional day that he owns this team. Vinny and Dan. Abominations both and a blight to the city.

Posted by: Almazar80 | October 19, 2009 12:07 AM
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TO ALL SKINS FANS, I am proposing a walkout during the 1st half of next Monday's game vs the Eagles. Dan Snyder takes our money without a 2nd thought and no better time then national tv to show how fed up we really are and that we're not going to take it! SPREAD THE WORD!!!

Posted by: Toochilled | October 18, 2009 11:51 PM
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I have to agree. Despite the fact that Cerrato and Snyder (and I do think it's in that order) have created this mess, I don't see a way that Campbell and Zorn can be part of the solution.

Even if Cerrato is replaced and Snyder turns over a new leaf, Campbell and Zorn will forever be associated in people's minds with this debacle, and probably in their own as well.

It's a shame that they're paying this price for other people's mistakes, but that's reality: and maybe the Z-man will learn from this that it's better to set boundaries with an owner than to be in a position where you can't win (on-field and off).

Posted by: rick5 | October 18, 2009 11:49 PM
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The three teams in the league without a GM the Skins, Cowboys and Raiders are all teams in upheaval. Dan Snyder says he is a big fans of the team and will do anything for a winner be can not get out of his own way. The Rdskins are still trying to recover from the Champ Bailey trade for a RB. RB's are a dime a dozen but you can not replace a lock down corner. They have drafted 7 players and still are looking. The 3 recievers will not pan out. The QB is not going to lead this team to a Super Bowl. Lets draft a linebacker who has a bad leg and just got moved from fullback (Cody Glenn. I can call the plays sitting on my butt when they come to line of scrimage. The Redskins need a GM!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sunman23 | October 18, 2009 11:49 PM
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Wilbon, we lost to Detroit too. Can't forget that one.

Posted by: eternale5150 | October 18, 2009 11:48 PM
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Wilbon, you're right. However, Snyder's dug himself such a huge hole that he would be firing his coach, offensive coordinator, and QB coach all at the same time with no replacements on staff. Zorn will go and someone new must come in, so it will have to be on the bye week. The season is lost. Hopefully Snyder also sacks the guy who hired the coach. HIRE A REAL GM!

Posted by: shawndc1 | October 18, 2009 11:45 PM
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Fire Vinnie Cerrato!!!

Posted by: tony325 | October 18, 2009 11:43 PM
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4 and 12
How about 2 and 14

Posted by: 8andeight | October 18, 2009 11:22 PM
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first?

Posted by: TCAP79 | October 18, 2009 11:15 PM
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